Altered Carbon Season 1 - Did it Suck?
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- A quick change from the usual space opera now to look at the Cyberpunk series, Altered Carbon. Giving my thoughts on Season 1 in time for Season 2.
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S1 is miles better than S2 IMO
True
Jeah i wonder what s3 would have been like if it would not have been canceled
@@DearDearlyDee sooo true. So much deeper
S1 is a little bit closer to the books then season 2 BUT you also havae to remember that the 1st book was the best of the 3 books
Agree , if season 2 was first introduction to the show , I would be turned off
I thought Season 1 was great having never heard of Altered Carbon before watching it.
Season 2 was a bit of a downgrade, at no fault of Makie (He did fine with what he had to work with). I just thought the things that made Season 1 great were side lined (world building, a good plot, and a good supporting cast).
well the first book was also just better xD
@@DaxRaider I still haven't read the first book lol, I should do that. Also I'm sure you'd know better then I do, but apparently S2 was a mix of books 2, and 3.
@@DaxRaider it really was not, it was just different. Book 3 was extremely interesting.
@@ViperPilot16 nah, season 2 is just a mess. Little to do with the books.
I absolutely loved Altered Carbon, and i personally enjoy constant rain and dimly lit bars. MORE PLEASE.
I thought it was great, especially carried by the fantastic actors. Binging s2 as we speak.
HandjesBreda Wait. Season 2 is out? Did you just say that season 2 is out?
Edit: OH DEAR MOTHER OF GOD SEASON 2 IS OUT
I finished watching it last night :)
Well s2 sucked ass people. Altered Carbon had a good run, this is it. Stick to s1 and never look back.
HandjesBreda it was good . Different but good
@@DaveWraptastic I didn't think it sucked but it was weak compared to season 1.
That Star Trek rant made me so happy to be a subscriber
Excellent video Rowan. Thanks for posting my question ^^ !
suck? it was one of the best seasons ever, kinnaman was amazing.
THANK YOU for letting me know it's out!
I loved season 1, everything come together great! Season 2 felt sloppy
Joel Kinnaman was one of the best parts of The Killing.
My favorite from the last twenty years. The sibling chemistry for some reason reminded me of my own late sister for some reason.
@@ArcticZombie ur fucked up dude, "late sister" means she passed out
That's sad dude, I don't believe in god, but bless her
Excellent essay Rowan and thanks for the honest rumor control response concerning Star Trek.
Joel Kinnaman is also amazing in The Killing, also on netlix
I love the books and the show. This show is a damn trip.
I don’t think you have to side with falconers philosophy you only have to recognise that she’s altruistic, beautiful and ultimately doomed and her love and indomitable spirit inspires and equips kovacs. The possibility of following the Elder represents the ultimate potential for salvation
Me encanta tu edición, sigue asi :)
So, bodies were seen as expendable, but only by the ultra-rich. The commoners in AC do not have the luxury of switching bodies, they live in them until they die from old age/disease, and then maybe they're "re-sleeved" once or twice. The idea of staying eternally young is amazing, but if you're forced to "get old" with each body, then there's no fun in that. That's some shit life, and I'd rather just die once.
Another thing that wasn't made obvious in the show is that unless you're re-sleeved in a clone of your own body that looks and feels the same, you will start to fragment. After a while, no matter what you do you will go insane (unless you're an Envoy), which is again the reason why the ultra-rich always re-sleeved in their own clones.
Season 1 was amazing, most pleasant surprise among sci-fi for many years... and then second season came and ruined everything.
Loved your rant about bs theories on youtube 🤣 Another strong reason why I subscribe
Joel Kinnaman was brilliant in House of Cards as Will Conway too, though that's not necessarily your remit of course :P
I watched 3 seasons of House of Cards. Think he's in a season I haven't seen.
@@RowanJColeman he's in 4 and 5, so you probably haven't
@Rachel Ny yes!
The sleeves are socialized in the first episode. If something happens to your Sleeve, the government gives you a new one. Remember the child in the addict's sleeve.
I enjoyed every aspect of this show. I’m not really a tv series person, but this show got me hooked in ten minutes.
First Season was good but there was a major flaw, their backup system, it takes only few seconds but they only do it in 48h gap. Why not doing it every hour it takes only few seconds.
I watched series 1 a while ago and liked it, I forgot series 2 was on the way until it arrived. After I watch series 1 again to remind myself what happened I will binge watch series 2 over a weekend :-)
Got the books but would really like this to be on DVD.
I don't know why, but your saying the universe has a lot of room to be "fleshed" out immediately after mentioning the body-swapping aspect of the series made me chuckle. It probably wasn't meant to be a moment of levity, but it unintentionally was, at least for me.
Do you think with all of the new Star Trek series being produced by Paramount/CBS that the franchise will become over-saturated? Too much of an intellectual property can delute the quality.
This is actually an interesting question which I'll add to the Q&A in next week's video.
Ive watched s1 at least probably 20 to 30 times but s2 idk if i even finished it a 2nd time
Thanks....I will give Altered Carbon try. And I vote Yes on a Star Trek Continues/Star Trek Fan Made episode.
Best sci-fi series I've ever seen
I kept getting pissed by tak treating po like shit in the second season
same lol
3:00 what was wrong with his role in Robocop?
i loved it
Is that Star Trek Online music in the background I hear?
Yup.
They could've helped us to side more with Quell if they just showed more of the de fragment and how it effects the meths and everyone else that have gone from sleeve to sleeve.
I agree with the pacing I got half way through season then got board because I didn't feel like the story was going anywhere.
I agree, but I really preferred it on 2nd full viewing. Give it another shot and you may get into it.
this show tiptoed around class like it was nobodies business.
But hey, it was cool to see a large space fairing society that cyberpunk levels of tech.
Which are always conveniently missing in space opera.
Watched the first two episodes then didn't continue for some reason. Gotta continue it again now that season 2 is here! And thank you for your little Star Trek rant, I get so tired of those certain TH-cam channels spreading their bs and fans taking it all at face value. In the words of Worf: "You must think me a fool to make your lies so transparent!"
The biker dude that has to play a Mexican grandma, give that man a friggin Emmy.
So didn't do a season 2 review, was it that bad lol
speaking of Star trek the original series, I don't know if you've seen it but IDW put out a comic book line called Star trek year 5. If you haven't checked it out I would recommend you do
I've read a few of the IDW books and really like their stuff. Haven't managed to read that though.
Joel Kinnaman got his gig with a multi-layered performance in AMC's remake of the Danish(?) show The Killing opposite Mirielle Enos. They had great chemistry together. Robocop was just a bad idea from the very beginning. I don't attach any blame to Kinnaman for that dumpster fire.
came for a review, found a monologue
I LOVED the rant at the end, scratched an itch I didnt know I had. Also saying everything they dont like is part of the JJ Verse is so annoying and its not something that they can have an opinion on, its codified in contact clauses and the 15% different stipulation.
Oh my god the 15/25% difference thing is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard 😅
That said, mindlessly ranting about criticism concerning certain franchises is as bad as mindless ranting about said franchise. IMO, several of our venerable franchises are currently in the hands of people who don't get them, don't appreciate them and see them as venues for ranting about current year issues and politics, in a polemic, ranting manner, rather than thoughtful, as previously done in said franchises, if they addressed them at all. Hence, the bifurcation of the fanbase and sinking profit prospectives. The JJVerse thing didn't have the problem of political propagandizing, it just took a franchise known for deep world building, intelligent characterization and a decades long heritage, and tried to turn it into Star Wars. Calling something JJVerse is shorthand for franchises being abused. Yes, the corporate owners of the franchises have the right to do with their properties as they wish. And, conversely, the fans are free to say what they wish, as well as support or walk away as they see fit. Personally, for me, If you love X franchise and you see it being horribly being abused, you do your beloved franchise no favors by continuing to give said corporation what they really want, your money.
Book > Show. So much greater....
One of these days you need to watch Counterpart, assuming you haven't already.
The Internet has a dark side... where star trek rumours are concerned... iv stop caring and instead I use my own mind. Star trek will always be my favourite franchise.. through thick and thin... Star trek is so diverse that I never find it boring each series does something new in every series and every film. I love it.
Oh lord, Joel Kinnaman is the reason I had to give up on it. I just didn't buy into it this time
What?
Lmao what you liked Anthony Mackie aka 'Clearance' performance over Kinnaman's? If you did, delete your Netflix account please.
Damian Ramon Clearance?
I wish they played up the religious angle since humans in this Universe basically have the power of God. I think the argument that we are god we can do what we want vs no we were only meant to here for a period of time because God said so would make that sub plot more interesting.
Hopefully in the future people are probably clever enough to not believe in god.
What do you think of the Dreampunk genre which shows the surreal aspects of reality. A good example that I've been told is the upcoming Dispatches From Elsewhere show.
I've not actually heard of that before. Sounds interesting, will check it out.
Heavily a part of William Gibson's writing, the father of cyberpunk.
the characters are all completely flat , the world is just patched together without any deep thought, how can anybody watch this without cringing all the way through ???
The series owes much more to William Gibson's often surreal ideas about computers and virtual reality than Philip K. Dick, Ridley Scott and Blade Runner, even though the visual language is obviously highly influenced by the latter.
I liked both Robocop (remake) and Suicide Squad. Can't wait until this show comes out on disc.
It never will though. Netflix never releases Blu-Rays or DVDs of their content
Chris Conner absolutely nailed it
I thought the books were a pretty bad mix of sub-par Raymond Chandler mixed with Alastair Reynolds (who is just sub-par). No surprise it resulted in a sub-par end result.
You ever seen Sense8?
Just the first episode. Ti's on my list :)
No; it was great. 9/10
ask if ALTERED CARBON sux would be what we call today a bait :)
Watch The Killing if you want to see Kinnaman's best role.
Love the considered rant on Star Trek at the end (the sigh said it all!), thank you for showing it for the BS that it is...
Kinneman was also good in The Killing and is great in For All Mankind. He's low-key become one of my favorite TV actors, I just think he got stuck in badly-directed movies. Altered Carbon S1 was a bit of a guilty pleasure for me. I recognize that a lot of it is derivative and I didn't love the overall plot or especially the ending, but it was just so quintessentially cyberpunk in a way that tickles me.
I really liked the show. However, the Asian tak and the white tak were not believable as being the same person. Also, quell and taks relationship was not there strongest for me. I feel like quell was really good as a leader and fighter but not so much with the love aspects. Their relationship seemed like a side plot n didn't have my full attention compared to other situations in the story. So I dont really have a strong drive to watch season two... but I'll give it a try🤷♀️
The best part was Joel kinnamin and the world-building/ideas. The writing was really poor for me and cringey alot of the time. I was really disappointed when he finally met his sister. Did not buy at all that either of them cared for each other ever. The kids did better!
I agree the middle dragged a bit. I really like the ideas so I want it to be better. I hope S2 gets a better go around!
Season 2 was already released a month ago but honestly IMO it’s shit. I watched 1 episode and already know it won’t be the same because Joel Kinnamin just perfected the character and without him this show doesn’t work. IMO tho. Watch it for yourself and see if you like it.
@@sh1var055 I watched it and I agree! It's sorely lacking Joel Kinnamin's charisma. S1 was definitely better for me. Even Kovach prime (Lee) was much better and showed more emotion. Pretty disappointed :(
b girl yeah exactly. I really hope they give Lee a full season. If they do that for season 3 I will watch season 2 completely.
I have it on good authority that Seth MacFarlane is immortal, and will be a thorn in the side of somebody or other in season 3.
Joel is fucking phenomenal in "The Killing" as well. At first he just comes off like an annoying wigger, but he grows on you.
CGP Grey*
I will add, Rowan, that continued propping up of the "Star Trek" property, despite lack of lucrativity, could be out of more than pride. This was also the tent pole of their launching of CBSAllaccess. To bail on "Star Trek" now risks crippling it, if not sinking it entirely. Marketing is, among other things, influencing/manipulating perception. Add that to corporate pride...another hint that Star Trek is not the money maker is that there is no merch sales based on STD or Picard. None. The stuff does not sell. Star Trek used to be a huge money maker. It isn't anymore, at least, nothing based on anything made under Kurtzman's watch. There are very good reasons for that.
No that doesn't make ANY sense. These shows are expensive. Any loss that their cancellation would cause pales in comparison to the cost of continuing a failing show and actually producing EVEN MORE SHOWS! For god sake use your brain, and don't fall into this trap of letting your dislike of the show cloud common reasoning skills. And as this video points out, look at franchises such as the DCEU and also Star Wars. Those are way more popular properties that have way more riding on them than a mid-tier franchise like Star Trek (love it as we may, it has never had that kind of mass appeal) and they have cancelled projects to deal with lower than expected profits. You really think Star Trek will produce expensive shows to spite a couple of TH-camrs who think they represent the entire fanbase? As to the lack of merchandise, the new shows are targeting a slightly different audience so it makes sense that they don't produce a ton of merch like they used to. The merch that they do produce is aimed more at the collectors market rather than simple toys.
@@GeeVanderplas Only if you believe that continuing a streaming service in a competitive market is cheaper. And that pride/arrogance in corporate America has no effect. I'm wondering what you will say, though, if/when KurtzTrek does get canceled. But given they won't release numbers on viewership and given merch is in fact NOT selling based on any KurtzTrek releases, to conclude these are "hits" stretches credulity and logic.
@@gimmeboobes Given they won't release numbers (no streaming service does) means we cannot draw ANY conclusions on that score. That leaves us with the arguments of the two sides: A) the fact that they are continuing Trek means they are successful enough to continue or B) I don't like new Trek, therefore no one does and it is not successful. (Merch doesn't seem a priority for CBS so I don't see an argument there.) Personally, A seems more logical to me. But it is irrelevant, even if DSC and PIC last for 7 seasons, when they eventually do get cancelled people like you will claim it as proof of your argument.
@@GeeVanderplas Sure we can. I'm drawing them. The utter lack of merch sales all but conforms it.
@@gimmeboobes Well good for you. In the mean time I will continue to enjoy Trek for a long time to come.
The first two books are really great, the third clearly not as good. The first season tries to mix the first and third books and thus creating a Frankenstein first season. The goals and plots are oversimplified to a point I sometimes thought I was watching Disney Channel. How not to adapt a successful novel.
Tbh I liked book 3 more than book 2. All the alien backstory about the orbitals hinting to living in a virtual world is very interesting.
I kinda disagree a little with the "living forever" part. I think the argument is that it reinforces the disparity between rich and poor EVEN MORE than it is today. The rich cling even harder to their wealth literrally forever and indignity suffered by the lower classes are even more pronounced.
Naturally if everyone lived forever there would be no need or indeed room for children, so the invention of stack-technology is a real problem. I think that the series looses focus on this a little in season 2.
Their problem was that they changed the story and writing in the books around FOR NO REASON. These changes didn't improve the story, didn't save costs. They just stroked the ego of writers who felt that they could write better than the original author, and fucked up the story and worldbuilding.
Netflix writers are usually not that capable and they try to use same old methods with all those resources. Everything has to be about ''love''
Really liked season 1. And really let down by season 2. Sad.
Class one Star Trek fans really shouldn't be trying to deconstruct the philosophy of something like Altered Carbon. It's like kindergarten teachers trying to explain the department of defense.
I didn't understood a single thing in this series
Then you're either too young, or just didn't really pay attention when watching
No but season two was clearly inferior to season 1.
It got quite a bit better reviews than season 1 actually
Nanashi Gravenhorst yes 83% by Critics and 38% by the fans on Rotten Tomatoes. Clearly critics reviews are near worthless now days.
The first season was great, the second season not so much.
S 1 is a master pisce s2 is trash
Am I the only one who think this show suffered from bad acting, except for James Purefoy and Joel Kinnaman? I can't believe
I agree 100% The visual is stunning, but the acting and story line leaves much to be desired. Thought I was the only one...
I m disliking your vid , because yes altered carbon is not perfect. But , for the genre , it's still very good. With very good acting and cinematography. Yes, the plot is a bit to be desired. But the A. C . environment and everything else as well as how the A.C. is filmed and presented to you is just amazing. There is indeed a lot of verbal exposure of the environment, but then again, there are lot of details, that are actually cult for the genre which are visually outstanding.
I'm still at season 1 and I don't want to be spoiled . So, i will watch your vid afterwards
You're disliking my video even though you haven't watched the video?
"this show looks amazing, but then again what doesn't these days"? Are you serious? If everything looks amazing then why bother with a critique of this incredible production. From that point of view your review was less than amazing.
This show has been on my list for a while. Finally watching it and I'm so disappointed. The setting, the world, the effects, all of that is so good but the acting, dialogue, and story are worse than B movie schlock. Spend each episode rolling my eyes and saying " oh, that was stupid".
to be fair, the first book was just the best of the 3 books xD so they made season 1 basicly the closest i EVER WATCHED IN MY LIFE to a word for word showing of the book
but with the 2nd and 3rd book being not on the same level its hard to keep the level that high xD
i wonder what season 3 will be if they make it as its rly different from the other two, its overall hard to tell ONE story with this series as the books play so far apart from each other
Wtf are talking about. They changed major stuff for no reason in the damn show even in season 1. Who Quell is, the envoys origin, who kovacs actually is, removed Kawahara and made up the bs story about Kovacs' sister, completely twisted Kovacs' stance on stacks (he surely wasn't against stacks in the books, far from it) etc.
Season 2 sucked. Bad. Season 1 was awesome.
Ortega was no more than a 2 dimensional annoying stereotype.
Could have been a good character but yes too exaggerated. Would gladly put my gf inside her sleeve tho
This guy did not watch the show. I don’t believe it
This guy is a simpleton. The show went waaaaaaaaaay over his head LOL
Are you... a left-tuber?
I'm a Feminist and Democratic Socialist if that's what you mean.
Rowan J Coleman
No wonder your videos are great. Lefties make the best kind of science-fiction fans!
So, more 50 kilo women beating up 100 kilo men? I'll give that a miss.
It makes no sense
Nope.
Season 1 was good season 2 was pointless. Watched 10 mins and turned it off
Did it suck? Yes... yes indeed it sucked.
Amen!
your mom sucks
@@macroto7460 yeah she does suck and she gets paid really well for it too.
I liked it.