Yugoslavia Trial Explained

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  • After the Yugoslavia War ended, there was a trial to put criminals in prison. This Trial was the Yugoslavia Trial, or Yugoslavia Tribunal. This video looks at the process of gathering evidence, preparing a court case, and how the defendants were sentenced. This is a continuation on my videos on the Tokyo Tribunal, or Tokyo Trial. And the Nuremberg Trial, or Nuremberg Tribunal.
    Credits
    - Research: Mrs Scope
    - Animation: Petra Lilla Marjai
    - Audio: Seb. Soto
    - Writing and Voice Over: Avery from History Scope
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    SOURCES:
    www.hmd.org.uk/learn-about-th...
    www.hrw.org/news/2017/12/19/b...
    www.icty.org/
    www.hrw.org/report/2006/12/13...
    www.hrw.org/legacy/reports/20...
    www.icty.org/en/about/chamber...
    www.icty.org/en/content/inves...
    www.icty.org/en/features/crim...
    www.icty.org/en/features/crim...
    Articles
    M. P. Scharf, A Critique of the Yugoslavia War Crimes Tribunal, 25 Denv. J. Int'l L. & Pol'y 305 (1997).
    J. Turley, Transformative Justice and the Ethos of Nuremberg, 33 Loy. L.A. L. Rev. 655 (2000).
    D. Shraga, R. Zacklin, The International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia. EJIL( 1994) 360-380
    M. Klarin, The Impact of the ICTY Trials on Public Opinion in the Former Yugoslavia, Journal of International Criminal Justice 7 (2009), 89-96
    Other
    • ICTY Legacy Lecture Se...
    www.adc-ict.org/_files/ugd/ce...
    Tributes:
    Attribution: Photograph provided courtesy of the ICTY.
    Chapters:
    1:25 Chapter 1: Creating a Tribunal
    7:37 Chapter 2: The Evidence
    14:26 Chapter 3: Arrests
    17:12 Chapter 4: The Trial
    23:50 Chapter 5: The Defense
    28:51 Chapter 6: The Sentences

ความคิดเห็น • 536

  • @cornmonsterftw
    @cornmonsterftw 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +931

    It’s so crazy how people can commit literal war crimes and crimes against humanity and get lesser sentences than many other crimes

    • @cyrenia47
      @cyrenia47 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I was just thinking about this. If some random civillian went and killed 200 people in an ethnic cleansing attempt theyd get life in prison easily. Do it for a government and you get 5 years

    • @notorioustori
      @notorioustori 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Right? Mandatory minimums on recreational drug usage here in some US states meant happy weed smokers minding their own business got more time than people who made it their business to torture and/or kill as many people they could get away with...and then some. What a wonderful world...

    • @hyperteleXii
      @hyperteleXii 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +115

      Like how can the punishment for literal genocide be less than life in prison?

    • @santiagolara1699
      @santiagolara1699 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +62

      Netanyahu, for example.

    • @gregoryturk1275
      @gregoryturk1275 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@santiagolara1699It’s not like they are shooting every person they see and sending them to work camps.

  • @historysuit9418
    @historysuit9418 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +764

    A tribunal like this was truly a first in human history. If you consider the relationship between countries throughout history, the fact that we have reached a point where there can be an international court with judicial authority is astonishing.

    • @randomhumanofearth7267
      @randomhumanofearth7267 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +87

      That was at the peak power of usa nato and un now everyone everywhere across the world does various human crimes from Ukraine to Myanmar to Sudan to Ethiopia to Israel and Palestine yet international court can't do anything now

    • @itsblitz4437
      @itsblitz4437 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      You also forgot Rwanda 🇷🇼 in that same decade.

    • @alexsmith5454
      @alexsmith5454 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      He just talked about it being a first which is true, the Rwandan Court was formed a year after the Yugo one

    • @earlymorninstonedpimp
      @earlymorninstonedpimp 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@randomhumanofearth7267its only for like war crimes and crimes against humanity tho

    • @markobucevic8991
      @markobucevic8991 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      @@earlymorninstonedpimp doing awefully little against israel, ukraine, usa with the whole middleeast stuff, myanmar, half of afrika and propably a few things in south east asia besides ex siam, oh and usa (double for obvious reasons)

  • @meioww977
    @meioww977 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +137

    imagine getting 20 years for committing a genocide. that’s insane.

    • @traustibm
      @traustibm 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Imagine getting zero years and the full backing of “the free world”. Israel and the west have a bloody history of genocide. No one cares because brown people are being killed.

    • @untitled568
      @untitled568 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Many of Bosniak and Albanian war criminals got away with it entirely.. It is a war crime only if you lose..

    • @1GTX1
      @1GTX1 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      One of the Serbian commanders ''Vinko Pandurevic'' who was in Srebrenica when people were killed got out of jail in 10 years. He claims that military units did not get order to kill civilians or prisoners but to attack the retreating Brigade, he was one of few that complained when he found out that prisoners were killed, and he claims that people from security services were in that area.

  • @sunbathing_in_chernobyl
    @sunbathing_in_chernobyl 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +280

    Babe, wake up, new war atrocities trial video by History Scope just dropped!

  • @alexandrutheodorbileca4266
    @alexandrutheodorbileca4266 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +126

    I remember the joke you made in your "breakup of yugoslavia" video about making the videp when the finaly guy finished his appeal. Never tought i would see this. Good video.

    • @8thFurno
      @8thFurno 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Same lmao.

    • @HistoryScope
      @HistoryScope  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

      That wasn't a joke. I've been waiting for this video for years. :D
      We've still got the Rwanda Tribunal to cover in the future as well... But we're going to wait a while with that. These videos are mentally quite taxing to make due to the heavy subject matter.

    • @Monatio79
      @Monatio79 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@HistoryScope If you're going to cover the Rwanda Tribunal, you should also make a video on the Khmer Rouge Tribunal (ECCC). Plagued by corruption and mismanagement from the start, it's a perfect example of "too little too late", in which a handful of geriatrics were given life sentences for war crimes, genocide and crimes against humanity.

    • @JmKrokY
      @JmKrokY 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@HistoryScope🗿

  • @ijmad
    @ijmad 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +360

    Radovan Karadžić was President of Srpska, a Serb-majority region within Bosnia and Herzegovina which tried to break away to unify with Serbia during the Bosnian War. He was not the President of Bosnia as stated at 6:58. He commanded the army of Srpska, which committed war crimes on the Bosniak people, not the Bosnian army.

    • @kostyan99
      @kostyan99 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

      You're also wrong. The commander of the Army of Republika Srpska was Ratko Mladić, who was also convicted for war crimes. Also it wasn't just Bosniaks that suffered because of the VRS (Army of Republika Srpska), it was also the Bosnian Croats.

    • @JmKrokY
      @JmKrokY 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Cool

    • @JmKrokY
      @JmKrokY 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@kostyan99Cool

    • @sliver7993
      @sliver7993 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@JmKrokY cool

    • @mrwhite6021
      @mrwhite6021 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ratko mladić was a general my guy @@kostyan99

  • @mathnerd97
    @mathnerd97 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +91

    It's absolutely insane how recent much of this is

    • @katharina...
      @katharina... 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Yes, it's so very recent. I was in highschool when this was going on, and my mind couldn't compute how something like this could possibly be happening in the modern world. I had the same thoughts about the events taking place in Rwanda a few years earlier. Sadly, it seems that the attitudes and way of thinking that facilitated these atrocities are so deeply ingrained in human nature, we'll not be free of them for the foreseeable future. It's mind boggling.

    • @vibechecked7522
      @vibechecked7522 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      My family was from Yugoslavia, more specifically, my moms Biological dad. He (while on a temporary visit) impregnated my biological grandmother who put her up for adoption in America, and he went back to Yugoslavia and never returned. We assume he was killed.

    • @AaronTheGreat________
      @AaronTheGreat________ 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why 😂

    • @ALoser-ThisIsTotallyUnique
      @ALoser-ThisIsTotallyUnique 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      it shouldn't be china has their native uygher population in "detention camps"

    • @atlanticboulevard
      @atlanticboulevard 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      its happening right now in Palestine 😞

  • @Scwarzkop
    @Scwarzkop 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

    Inaccuracy at 0:32:
    Croatia and Slovenia are swapped. The red and blue in Slovenia are also swapped.

    • @JmKrokY
      @JmKrokY 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      True

  • @Bram06
    @Bram06 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +143

    Civics teacher here. I want to point out a mistake made in this video. The jurisdiction of international law when it comes to human rights is universal. A state does not need to be a signatory for its authorities to be tried as war criminals. Human rights are universal and directly binding. Of course, the enforcement in non-signatory-states is difficult, but the principle still stands.
    I think a good way to understand it as follows: the international treaties do not create human rights. Human rights exist by virtue of humans existing. Rather, the treaties *affirm* the existence of these human rights and the crimes that precede from the abuse thereof.
    One more thing. This isn't a mistake, but still something I would've liked to see. In order to the Yugoslav Trial in the proper historical context, I think it would've been good to name the number of casualities in the conflict, in particular the camps. This is important. Did 1000 people die? 10,000? A million? That scope does add to the understanding of the evil behind the crimes committed. 130,000-140,000 people died and 4,000,000+ people were displaced. That is roughly equivalent to the population of modern croatia.
    The mistake doesn't mess up the explanation of what the Yugoslav trial was, so I don't think the video is a failure. On the contrary, it's an excellent video that does a good job explaining the trial. Good job!

    • @m.streicher8286
      @m.streicher8286 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      I wish I was this eloquent

    • @slendermansmoom
      @slendermansmoom 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Spy gaming tf2

    • @HistoryScope
      @HistoryScope  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +48

      huh, I actually completely forgot to state of total death toll...
      And I tried to simplify the human rights treaties a bit. While you are correct, I did not think it was as important as other parts of the video so I simplified it to "they signed the treaties, therefore they couldn't claim it wasn't illegal" because that was a common argument in the Tokyo and Nuremberg Trials.

    • @Doomer_Optimist
      @Doomer_Optimist 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      It's a bit of an arbitrary point you made since, in an academic sense, international law doesn't even really exist in the way that we traditionally view law. In a global order defined by a state of anarchy there is no established authority with the capability to define the jurisdiction of international law. To say that jurisdiction is universal regarding human rights is entirely aspirational.

    • @Bram06
      @Bram06 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Doomer_Optimist Imagine for a moment that all states were abolished and no sovereign entities were established to replace them. By your logic, humans rights would then also cease to exist. This simply cannot be true. States do not create human rights, they protect them.

  • @nemanjaradic1055
    @nemanjaradic1055 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Sadly you didn't mention the very interesting trial of Vojislav Seselj, he's like the most famous case of the tribunal, there are compilations of him making fun out of the judges, insulting them in various creative ways for which he got his sentence prolonged multiple times.

  • @whiteoctober4582
    @whiteoctober4582 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +64

    Bro, straight up said Karadžić is Bosnian 💀

    • @joshquinn4964
      @joshquinn4964 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      He was born in Montenegro, has Bosnian citizenship and is ethnically Serbian... saying he is each of these countries' Nationalities is technically correct. There was no mistake in the video, technically.
      Though I get your point. He was Serbian despite his Bosnian citizenship because ethnicity is more important that where you are born to many (if not all) former Yugoslovians.

    • @brajicnemanja
      @brajicnemanja หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@joshquinn4964he said that he was a Bosnian president and the commander of Bosnian army

  • @Polavianus
    @Polavianus 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +71

    0:41 I love how you strategically hide Kashmir to avoid angry comments

    • @randomhumanofearth7267
      @randomhumanofearth7267 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      As an indian I can tell the most arrogant Nationalists in the world are from our country and arguing with them is very pointless

    • @HistoryScope
      @HistoryScope  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +77

      I got an email from the Indian government telling me they were going to block some of my videos which showed the internationally recognized borders. But at the same time I will make the Chinese and Pakistanis angry if I give land to India.
      So in order to make everybody happy: we're just censoring that part of the world from now on. Is it Indian? Is it Chinese? Is it Pakistani? Nobody knows except for the person who animated this video.

    • @sazidafnan5015
      @sazidafnan5015 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      ​@@randomhumanofearth7267how dare you insult BHARAT? Do you know THE GREAT HISTORY OF BHARAT? Go to Pakistan.
      Just kidding Im not an Hindutva gobarbhakt.

    • @easytiger6570
      @easytiger6570 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Little do they know - behind the censor is the territory of the glorious nation of Bhutan

    • @neoxyte
      @neoxyte 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Typical Indian government. Internet scammers? They do nothing. Someone showing a map? They take action.

  • @L_back
    @L_back 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    He’s back! And so am I, back to watching History Scope. Dankjewel for this interesting, yet understandable explanation of this part of history!

  • @SiVlog1989
    @SiVlog1989 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    Speaking of post war trials, one country that I'm surprised didn't face any trials after WW2 was Italy. After all, in the second Italo-Ethiopian war from 1935-36, Italian forces used banned chemical weapons like Mustard Gas to subdue the Ethiopian forces. Yet there (as far as I'm aware) there weren't any trials for Italians post WW2

    • @HistoryScope
      @HistoryScope  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      That's a good point. I did a bit of googling and apparently the British did plan on such a trial, however, concluded that they wanted to keep Italy as a friend during the Cold War. And putting the Italians on trial after they switched sides might have caused Italy to switch sides. So they cancelled these plans.
      (don't take my word on this for 100%, I just googled it for 5 minutes)

    • @zurielsss
      @zurielsss 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@HistoryScopesimilar happened in the Tokyo trials , America need to keep Japan as an ally in the Cold War and didn’t put the emperor on trial. The Tokyo trials are also rushed so a lot of politicians who are part of the imperial Japanese govt are still in power.
      Unlike Germany, the Nazi structure is dismantled but not in Japan. In retrospect it’s was the right thing to do, better save the Japan from future communism than dwelling in the imperialism past

    • @SiVlog1989
      @SiVlog1989 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@HistoryScope that logic does make sense and I completely understand why you're being cautious about it. After all, the famous American journalist, Bob Woodward, said when working with Carl Burnstein on a Watergate story which turned out to be completely wrong:
      "We had two or three (sources) and we had some logic and as we know, logic isn't a source,"

  • @draw4kicks
    @draw4kicks 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    These videos on various war trails are absolutely fantastic! Stayed up late after work to watch this!

  • @FjongFleron
    @FjongFleron 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I am glad to see your back with the format that introduced me to your channel!

  • @adamaitouahmane6519
    @adamaitouahmane6519 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I've been waiting for a vid like this for a while, great breakdown!

  • @ShaunCheah
    @ShaunCheah 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    It's fascinating to think about all the precedents set by this process and the many organizations and standards which will be able to trace their existence back to all this. I Imagine that if humanity gets its act together and expands through the stars, systems of planetary and even interplanetary justice will still be citing cases and events from the 90s and 00s when passing rulings and making decisions, similar to how we cite Roman and Napoleonic law today.

    • @user-jo4co7zn8i
      @user-jo4co7zn8i 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      How is your comment 10 days ago

    • @KucingLunox
      @KucingLunox 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@user-jo4co7zn8iprolly patreon member so he got early access

    • @JmKrokY
      @JmKrokY 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      🤔

    • @JmKrokY
      @JmKrokY 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@user-jo4co7zn8iPeople from Patreon probably get videos early.

    • @oscaranderson5719
      @oscaranderson5719 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      “you can’t convict me, you’re not a real court!” -first man to be convicted by the ICC
      kinda makes you wonder how old our other major institutions are, and what dumb shit led to their founding.

  • @Anti-CornLawLeague
    @Anti-CornLawLeague 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    I hate how Bobby Fischer couldn’t come back to America for simply playing chess in Yugoslavia in 1992. Meanwhile, Tucker Carlson can go to Moscow today with no problems. Fischer wasn’t singing the praises of Belgrade’s grocery stores.

    • @varunrajesh6516
      @varunrajesh6516 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I wonder if Tucker will get in trouble for possibly violating sanctions. He could easily have bought something like wine made in Russian-controlled Crimea.
      Statute of limitations are presumably long too.

    • @joebish6629
      @joebish6629 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Despite Tucker's lack of expertise, the Putin interview was fascinating and Putin demonstrated that he's a strong leader with reasoned arguments that the USA can't come close to matching.

    • @nathanwaterser8218
      @nathanwaterser8218 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@joebish6629 Hello Ivan from Saint Petersburg

    • @brankobelfranin8815
      @brankobelfranin8815 หลายเดือนก่อน

      But Bobby praised the serbs for being the aggressors

    • @rumble1925
      @rumble1925 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@joebish6629 did we watch the same interview? 😂

  • @abdullahibrahim8938
    @abdullahibrahim8938 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +75

    just a small note
    almost everyone who you heard in this video that they served in the "Bosnian army" are Serbs who committed atrocities against Bosnians rather than being Bosniaks ethinically

    • @Saulgud23
      @Saulgud23 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      There is no "Bosniak" ethnicity, there are only Muslim people who live in Bosnia.

    • @JackDrewitt
      @JackDrewitt 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Saulgud23 but thanks to serbs, they no longer live in srebrenica

    • @Saulgud23
      @Saulgud23 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@JackDrewitt half a million Orthodox Serbs lived in Krajina and Bosnia and they no longer do, what is your point?

    • @michael-tn6vx
      @michael-tn6vx 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Saulgud23 whose ethnic group is 99% Bosniak, didn't know serbs were this stupid, but on the other hand it's not that surprising considering how uncivilized they were during these 90s war and still are

    • @boflator
      @boflator 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Saulgud23 you're denying reality at this point...
      You do realise that there was a point where the Serb ethnicity didn't exist either, and then it was created just the same, right? You do understand that Serbs weren't actually created by god himself, right?
      You seem to have a very childish and uniformed understanding of what ethnicity is

  • @panajotov
    @panajotov 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    In the early noughties, the Hague trials were on instead of educational programs in ex-Yugoslavia.

  • @sadanbarakovic7318
    @sadanbarakovic7318 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    Great video, however, there are some mistakes. Radovan Karadzic was the president of the Republika Srpska, which is a entity inside Bosnia predominantely inhabited by Serbs now, and also Srebrenica massacre death toll was around 8732 confirmed bodies, dont know if this is the exact number but it is very close to this, and many mass graves are still sometimes found in ex-Yugoslav republics.
    I love your animation style btw

    • @bleron_26
      @bleron_26 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      also, Ratko Mladić was the main General of the Army of Republika Srpska, not the army of the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina.

    • @vladanjakovjob
      @vladanjakovjob หลายเดือนก่อน

      do you only have victims, where are the Serbian victims? Where is Jasenovac? Why are you such bigots?

    • @zloja2700
      @zloja2700 หลายเดือนก่อน

      As a Bosnian i have to say that us using a single number is incorrect(i understand the meaning of it)the total number in my opinion is more and we still have not discovered the true number and sadly maybe never will.

    • @brankobelfranin8815
      @brankobelfranin8815 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@vladanjakovjob Living in the past? this about the 1990's, wasn't Beograd the first juden free city in WW2?

  • @norman6567
    @norman6567 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    This, along with the videos about the Nuremberg and Tokyo Trials, are very informative explanations. Perhaps you could do the Cambodia/Khmer Rouge Tribunal next?

    • @laimis7333
      @laimis7333 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Brilliant suggestion, I second that notion

  • @PhilRable
    @PhilRable 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    I’ve watched at least a dozen of your videos. This is by the far the best of any I’ve watched. This video is a credit to you and your team. It was obviously extremely well researched, presented in an unbiased and factual way without personal opinion and was both entertaining (in spite of the topic) and informative. Congratulations and I’m for one going to continue watching your videos.👍

  • @luscorpio3679
    @luscorpio3679 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Rewatched the Tokyo and Nuremberg trials videos earlier this week, guess it's good timing

  • @satakrionkryptomortis
    @satakrionkryptomortis 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    lets hope we will get an episode 'russian trail explained' sooner than later..

  • @lildreadnaught
    @lildreadnaught 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Yes! I’ve been waiting for a long time for this. *Sarcastically* I knew History Scope wasn’t a former Valve employee!

  • @joaophilippe
    @joaophilippe 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    A good following to this sequel of international judgments would be a video on the Rwandan Genocide Trial.

    • @HistoryScope
      @HistoryScope  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      We will do that at some point, but we'll wait at least a year. Making these videos is quite depressing.

    • @atlanticboulevard
      @atlanticboulevard 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@HistoryScope Rwanda is the prequel, Gaza is the sequel😞😞😞

  • @SmugLookingBarrel
    @SmugLookingBarrel 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    My biggest question now is, why has this never happened again? The Yugoslav wars were far from the last time in history that laws of war were broken and civilians were mistreated.

  • @mcmilkmcmilk9638
    @mcmilkmcmilk9638 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The Trequel I've been waiting for!

  • @frago321
    @frago321 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Incredible. Really great video, helps a lot to learn about modern history with data and facts, and quite a neutral point of view, and not just heroes and villans. Good Job.

  • @sirsquirrel6176
    @sirsquirrel6176 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    I was just checking to see if you would post a new video today. You must’ve read my mind!

    • @HistoryScope
      @HistoryScope  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      We now upload the first of (almost) every month.

    • @noir-pm7zz
      @noir-pm7zz 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      If you can do one about the trc .

  • @markobecaj3027
    @markobecaj3027 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What a great video! Good job!

  • @redhidinghood9337
    @redhidinghood9337 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    A mistake I have to point out: you didn't make the distinction of bosnian=\=bosniak. The bosnian army was mainly controlled by the bosnian serbs, who genocided bosniaks (and croats), but since you don't make the distinction, you've basically said in the Srebrenica example that bosnians of the bosnian army killed bosnians. It completely obscures what happened and creates confusion.

    • @FarkOSRS
      @FarkOSRS 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Yeah that really threw me when I was listening. My dad was drafted into the Bosnian army fighting the Serbs and him and his family ended up in a concentration camp. The concentration camp guarded by his neighbours and friends from school. I wish he'd emphasised that more.

  • @r.w.bottorff7735
    @r.w.bottorff7735 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video! Thank you

  • @HermanosLuDi
    @HermanosLuDi 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Good video as always. I keep watching your videos from time to time out of boriness lol.

  • @carlsoll
    @carlsoll 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    *puts glasses on* was about to-go-to bed. You’ve peaked my interest friend. Longtime *subscriber* Wagering you published this at a reasonable time, I work late :o

  • @PastorJonahCarpenter
    @PastorJonahCarpenter 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Such a great video!

  • @youwayo
    @youwayo 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Tudman and Izetbegovic were supposed to indicted for warcrimes but they both died before that could happen.

  • @josiptito9412
    @josiptito9412 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    i would firstly like to commend you on the production and publication of this video on a cause which is very dear to me, seeing as i have written at least a few papers on this topic.
    however, is it not worth mentioning the people that people within the ICTY have stated that they WISHED to have prosecuted? slobodan milosevic was at least tried, but franjo tudjman was not, which is important because they committed the same level of attrocity in one another's lands. will you make a video on this?

    • @ctd325
      @ctd325 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Tuđman was charged by the leader of the Croatian opposition, Dobroslav Paraga, for attempting to divide Bosnia with Milošević. He did not face trial because he died of cancer, while still being president.
      However i dont recall Croatian soldiers bombing Serbian cities to the ground, in the same way that the Serbs did to Vukovar.

  • @SavvaSou
    @SavvaSou หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love your videos!

  • @RasVoja
    @RasVoja 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    There never was Yugoslavia trial. There was ICTY and still has ongoing cases on Albanian KLA atrocities

  • @waddjantachi
    @waddjantachi 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Speaking of the trials, please also do the Subsequent Nuremberg trials, i.e. the lower courts.

  • @RM-ti8nf
    @RM-ti8nf 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Much appreciated!

  • @JayMapping-zd4sx
    @JayMapping-zd4sx 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    He didn't forget even after 3 years, what a legend.

  • @rfgnmf-nmesofuehsdjfnrmeowfsdz
    @rfgnmf-nmesofuehsdjfnrmeowfsdz 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    >found in 2015
    >released in 2012
    What?

    • @Yo-Uncle
      @Yo-Uncle 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I think he meant 2022

    • @kuarla
      @kuarla 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ⁠​⁠@@Yo-Uncle it is actually 2012, and the arrest was made in 2005

    • @Yo-Uncle
      @Yo-Uncle 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kuarla ah, so dial it back a decade

  • @dennisdriebusch4680
    @dennisdriebusch4680 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    thank you for this video

  • @RovingTroll
    @RovingTroll 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Huh. I wonder if a tribunal will be held over some current conflicts

    • @samwill7259
      @samwill7259 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      If there is any Justice, we'd better hope so

    • @bstardtedcruz8022
      @bstardtedcruz8022 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Kissinger died before he could face one. Bush deserves to face a tribunal for Iraq.

  • @anterimac5196
    @anterimac5196 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    6:50 Radovan Karadžić was a leader of bosnian Serbs, president of Republika Srpska (serbian part of Bosnia). Not president/leader of bosnian army that was involved in Srebrenica. Srebrenica massacre was done on bosnian muslim population.

    • @9delta988
      @9delta988 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Please refer to them as bosniaks. They are more than a religion, they are an ethnic group. In Perspective, the Armenian genocide is not reffered to as the Christian genocide....

    • @anterimac5196
      @anterimac5196 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@9delta988 you're right, I wrote comment kinda hastily while watching the vid. My bad

    • @stbk51
      @stbk51 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No, they are just islamized serbs. There are so many proofs for that, but the funniest one is that "bosniaks" are the only muslims in the world which eat pork and drink alcohol daily hahahahha. Many bosniaks have returned to orthodoxy and changed their names to serbian (their real names).

    • @stipidman93
      @stipidman93 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@9delta988 they themselves don't know what they are

  • @MrGiygas1
    @MrGiygas1 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    You should do the trial of the Rwandan Genocide

    • @HistoryScope
      @HistoryScope  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      We will, at some point.

  • @BuckeyeNationRailroader
    @BuckeyeNationRailroader 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    "I blatantly killed this person, but I'm not guilty!"
    George Remus would be proud at this defense tactic

  • @Are_you_eyeballing_me
    @Are_you_eyeballing_me 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I typed “Cards against humanity” in the search bar and it gave me this video. I have no idea why, but I’m here for it

  • @newscottishgolf7305
    @newscottishgolf7305 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Could you do a video on the doctors trials and the judges trials? That would be interesting.

  • @5Times5
    @5Times5 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Correction: Ante Gotovina was found in 2005 not 2015 16:16

  • @thomasjohnson2862
    @thomasjohnson2862 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You didn’t end the video with your classic “This is Avery from History Scope, thank you for watching”

  • @caseclosed9342
    @caseclosed9342 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    As an American, I feel like we don’t learn enough about this in school and instead have to rely on pop culture references (everything from the movie The Whistleblower to Thad’s father in Blue Mountain State) to learn about this. We need to teach this, because we are starting to repeat the same mistakes in Ukraine, imo.

    • @shapur8187
      @shapur8187 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      As an American you should know about the American service members protection act from 2002. which prohibits Hague from prosecuting american soldiers, and gives the US legal right to invade the neatherlands if it happens. So this thing about human rights and fair trials is a joke really. Its more of a tool for the global empire than anything else

  • @knockeledup
    @knockeledup 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The guy arrested in the Canary Islands was caught in 2015, spent 7 years waiting for trial, was acquitted, then released in 2012…

    • @HistoryScope
      @HistoryScope  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      2005*

    • @adrianrybarczyk7902
      @adrianrybarczyk7902 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@HistoryScopenope, they just used time machine to give him back some years wasted in courts. Some countries practice this it is called negative 3 years sentence.

  • @Brandonian
    @Brandonian 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    When I think about Yugoslavia, Josip Tito was actually doing a good job at keeping the nation together. Despite the history of the nation, and despite the challenges at the time, despite the war, I truly wonder what our world would be like if Yugoslavia was in power today, I think it could’ve been a decent power in Europe. This was such a good video, History Scope makes great content.

    • @andro7862
      @andro7862 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Josip Broz. Tito was an alias/nickname.

  • @scotandiamapping4549
    @scotandiamapping4549 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The ICC was founded in 2014!? That's WAAY too recent!

  • @plasmaxing
    @plasmaxing 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My grandfather was a defensive attorney in northern California in the 60s & 70s. My dad asked him why he chose to represent criminals. My grandfather responded that everyone is entitled to fair representation in court. Side note: apparently, everyone in town kinda hated my grandfather 😅

  • @xraselver7634
    @xraselver7634 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    So if the defence had more time then they would have gotten even lower or no sentences at all?
    For atrocities, in the same realm of most harm ever done.
    So fun :)
    But I guess better technology today would make finding out about such crimes more likely.

  • @jackiem3516
    @jackiem3516 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video. I wish schools especially here in America would talk more about the Yugoslavian/Bosnian Wars and the atrocities committed.

    • @JmKrokY
      @JmKrokY 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Here in Croatia we don't even talk about Socialist Yugoslavia let alone the Yugoslav wars in the '90s in our education system period.

    • @JmKrokY
      @JmKrokY 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If the country that was a part of the wars doesn't teach that I doubt a country across the Atlantic ocean would.

  • @blapez3071
    @blapez3071 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you!

  • @faeries292
    @faeries292 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    You did not mention the epic trial of Vojislav Šešelj - I recomend to everyone to see how he played and mocked the system. Even he was and is an evil person, he is smart and knows how to play court game.

  • @Ace-rp7vr
    @Ace-rp7vr 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The biggest crime is that these bastards were allowed to walk early

  • @rustomkanishka
    @rustomkanishka 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Last time I was this early, Marshall Tito, President Nasser, and PM Nehru were still wondering if a third front would be of any use.

  • @iamhere6893
    @iamhere6893 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Kan je ook een keer een deepdive doen in Srebrenica? Mss deels van hoe het van verschillende kanten eruit zag, we hebben best veel bronnen van hoe het voor de dutchbat was

  • @megaing1322
    @megaing1322 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Those stories about the Defense Lawyers are really annoying. You can't have justice if Defense and Prosecution aren't on the same footing. This isn't just about not putting innocent people into prison (I highly doubt that many, if any, of the people would be considered are innocent), but also about preventing the potential for people to claim that the Defense couldn't do it's job. If an international tribunal isn't clearly trustworthy, it massively loses it's value.

  • @RichSmurf
    @RichSmurf 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Quick unasked for tip, I almost swiped past thinking this was the nuhemburg trial video because it’s almost the same thumbnail

  • @1teem
    @1teem 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    How was the Croatian general caught in Canary islands in 2015 and released in 2012?

  • @user-lj1lz9pp4e
    @user-lj1lz9pp4e 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    very good video

  • @deniskoscak1735
    @deniskoscak1735 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very nice video and thank you for that. I have much learned from your video.
    Something to correct:
    - Radovan Karadžić was not the president of Bosnia but the president of Republic of Srpska. Therefore he was not the supreme commander of the Bosnian Army but the supreme commander of the Army of the Republic of Srpska (VRS - Vojska Republike Srpske)
    - The same goes for Ratko Mladić and Dragoljub Kunarac. They were VRS officers.
    There was no "Bosnian Army" per se. There were three national armies fighting in the conflict: 1) the previously mentioned VRS, 2) Army of the Republic of Bosnia & Herzegovina (ARBIH - Armija Republike Bosne i Hercegovine), 3) Croatian Defence Council (HVO - Hrvatsko vijeće obrane)

  • @cameronwarttig1732
    @cameronwarttig1732 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I would love to learn more about yugoslavia

    • @HistoryScope
      @HistoryScope  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      We have a video about the Breakup of Yugoslavia. And later this year we have one on Yugoslav Socialism.

  • @BoyKhongklai
    @BoyKhongklai หลายเดือนก่อน

    Srebrenica madness was weekly on the front cover when I was a kid in the Netherlands

  • @hurricanemeridian8712
    @hurricanemeridian8712 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm sorry but I simply cannot feel sorry for lawyers who are trying to defend literal war criminals

  • @marinbokan4102
    @marinbokan4102 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great job and keep up the good work! However a few statements are wrong (as I can see others have mentioned them in the comments so I won’t repeat) and some people might even find them offensive. Maybe even worth editing a few things in the video.. You can never be too careful when posting a video about Yugoslav wars.. speaking as a Croat.

  • @peterdiaz3796
    @peterdiaz3796 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I didn’t watch this when it first came out because I saw the thumbnail and thought it was the Nuremberg trial video

  • @vinniepeterss
    @vinniepeterss 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    INTERESTING!

  • @diegocorales9284
    @diegocorales9284 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    There are people questioning how you can commit literal war crimes and crimes against humanity and get lesser sentences than theft or a single murder charge.
    It mostly has to do with the legal systems that are used in the international tribunal. America uses a legal system called "Common Law" in this system sentences are very very long and harsher, but convicts can appeal their sentences with good behavior and be left out a lot sooner. The legal system that the international court (and also most of the world) uses is called "Civil law", in this system sentences are shorter but are really hard to appeal to them unless is health related or their is a particular reason.
    So for example you might get 65+ years or even life imprisonment for manslaughter in "Common Law "countries (basically USA, Canada and Australia) but can get your sentence dropped to 17 years if you have good behavior. While in the "Civil law" system (Mostly Europe, Latin America and the vast majority of Asia) you get a 15 year sentence for manslaughter but you are almost guaranteed to serve the entirety of that time and it could even increase due to bad behavior.
    Both systems have valid reasons, and in a personal level I don't know if there is a "better legal system" because it mostly boils down to culture and history of those countries. Hope this clears a few things... 😀

  • @Bluepikminproductions
    @Bluepikminproductions 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My Science teacher was a peacekeeper during the wars. He saw a horrific sight of a whole village hung under a house.

  • @lukakavcic4000
    @lukakavcic4000 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    0:32 i think that you mixed up the slovenian and croatian ethnic groups

  • @johnreydelatorre3450
    @johnreydelatorre3450 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    These penalties are too light tbh.

  • @debloom7824
    @debloom7824 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    16:17 You said that he was captured in 2015, and the he was released in 2012

  • @ianskyers4306
    @ianskyers4306 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    16:42 / 17:04
    Yugoslavia Trial
    private cell

  • @gm_motion6959
    @gm_motion6959 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    the sentences can be really short, for no reason!
    P.S Nice video!

  • @robertjarman3703
    @robertjarman3703 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I am pretty sure the ICC was operating before 2014. Do you mean 2004?

  • @djordjetosic4553
    @djordjetosic4553 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just started the video, i hope the video makes a paralel to some concurrent events...

  • @bleron_26
    @bleron_26 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My biggest criticism of this is that you got some of the Nationalities/ethnic allegiances wrong for some of the people wrong.

  • @larrywave
    @larrywave 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Our student residences were designed by same guy that designed military barracks 😂

  • @doodchappin
    @doodchappin 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Insane early release. I thought our judges in the states were soft. Is it the robe? The second you put it on it urns you into a giant pillow for criminals.

  • @miaomiaou_
    @miaomiaou_ 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Absolutely chilling how some of these people who committed genoc*de and orchestrated death camps have been released from prison for crimes they committed a mere 30 years ago.

  • @Amar061
    @Amar061 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    As somebody from Bosnia and Herzegovina, I would love to hear an "outsiders" perspective on the Dayton Agreement, because at best, what I hear and read about it BH, is that it was grossly naive, sentencing BH to now decades of dysfunctionality, and at worst, that it was designed like that in the aftermath of the Red Scare, since these teritories were communist for two-three generations. If somebody could point me to anybody from the outside discussing this problem, they would have my grattitude.

    • @Jakaj99
      @Jakaj99 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      My humble opinion from "outsiders": dayton agreements are disastrous for BH. It didn't end or solve the conflict in any way, it just frozen the confiict. And now as you said, BH is completly dysfunctional state because of that and it hurts my heart to see BH like that. It's like US didn't care about solving the conflict, they just wanted to stop the war by any means possible, and now bosnian people are suffering from that

  • @Karbonn-14
    @Karbonn-14 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    BROTHERS. ASSEMBLE. NEW HISTORY SCOPE DROP

  • @user-chemistpharmacist
    @user-chemistpharmacist 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Interesting.

  • @doodmann5898
    @doodmann5898 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    16:33 I think you meant 2022 not 2012

  • @Nthsey
    @Nthsey 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    My curiosity made me decide to give the Srebinica Massacre Wiki page a full read for the first time. To say I’ve lost my faith in humanity(AND THE DUTCH) is to suggest I had it to begin with.

    • @FilipCordas
      @FilipCordas 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's all fake, what actually happened Bosnian troops were using Srebrenica as a military base for years they would go out do some damage to Serbian troops and get back when Serbs started to chase them, and since it was UN protected zone Serbs would get stopped by the Dutch. That was happening for years on that day the Serbs just didn't stop and put barricades around the city. The Muslim forces tried to make a break true but suffered terrible losses that's when most of the men died. After some time fighting the Muslims surrendered and afterwards every fighting age man was captured and shout. Two interesting things about the shootings, The Serbian general in charge of Srebrenica military zone was not convicted of anything now he runs a Nato lobbing office in Belgrade, the JNA commanding officer who ITCY alleged had people doing the shooting was completely cleared of all charges by the appeal court but would later be caught giving classified information to the US and convicted by Serbian court as a spy. But it's all a big coincidence better not think about that. Also ITCY never was able to prove who gave the order to shoot the prisoners and the all convictions were bast on join criminal venture charges similar to RICO charges where you only need to show that a crime happened and that someone in the organization did it, you don't need to provide evidence that people you are charging were involved in the crime.

    • @zero_zero107
      @zero_zero107 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      why tho? Srebrenica is so overrated war crime since only male potential militants were killed.

  • @slendermansmoom
    @slendermansmoom 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Make more trial videos

  • @huntclanhunt9697
    @huntclanhunt9697 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's crazy that a genocide happened this recently yet modernly people have already forgotten what a genocide is, and label any/all civilian casualties as genocide no matter the conflict.

  • @gregoryturk1275
    @gregoryturk1275 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    18:11 Tno reference?

  • @hannahelvete
    @hannahelvete หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do Rwanda next