Best way to have a solar powered EV is to put a solar system on your roof, lots of area that can be > then a order of magnitude larger then a car plus always point in the right direction.
Aptera is so much more than solar. It is a hyper efficient, fun, 2 seater. Much larger than it looks, great story. I can't wait to see them on the streets!
Aptera is sadly going to go broke. It's a niche market, the sort of amazing car that people say they want but won't actually buy when it comes to parting with the cash.
I wish them every success but there's zero appeal to me aside from the solar bit. The thing is huge, completely useless in Europe because of that, and driving isn't supposed to be fun anyway. It's to get you from somewhere you're bored or useless, to somewhere you can have fun or do some work.
Since I live in Germany and worked in legacy auto (gladly not any more) this is no wonder to me. Legacy auto and the oil industry make it as hard as possible for start-ups to succeed.
Thanks for the update about Sono Motors. I bought some shares quite a while ago before they were delisted from NASDAQ. I hope they make a comeback. I am a big fan of solar panels on homes and EVs. Aptera seems to be able to make solar panels work, so they should also work on Sono EVs too. A group of Dutch students built a solar camper van that they call Stella Vita. It has solar panels. They drove it 3000 km to southern Spain. You might want to do a video about the Stella Vita( = Star Life??).
I am so glad, that they are done with the Sion. I am from Germany, I followed the whole story from beginning to end. There is nothing to be sad about. This project was flawed right from the start, beginning with the kind of car they chose. The only thing they did great was PR, but with very little behind it. They dragged on far too long when it was more than foreseeable that this will never succeed.
@Tom Tom Well the Germans like Sweden have their problems with the Muslim immigrants every so often. One channel on here that would let us know about it, #TH-cam took it off their platform. 🤨
Yep, if you did any calculations on their solar range claims they only made sense in the middle of the day at the equator with no clouds. So not exactly their European market.
I am still of the belief that this solar tech is good to support/improve EV's and hybrid vehicles when done appropriately. Glad to see they will do it for any vehicle that someone brings to them.
No matter what we want to hear, I bet that the SONO statement was written by lawyers, not the founders. It should be enough that we understand what they wanted to say, but couldn't.
Solar man is right in this cause. Solar on vehicles will never make sense. 22 miles gained in good conditions = about 6 kw of energy. 6 kw = 90 cents of electricity at 15 cents per kw. 90 x 365 = 328 $ a year. 15 years of average life of a vehicle. 15 x 328 = 4920 $. 4920 is under impossibly optimal conditions. I can guarantee Sono Motors spends more then 5000$ to put solar on there cars. Yuma Arizona is the sunniest place in the world with 308 days of sunshine. 308 x 90 cents = $277 per year. $277 x 15 = 4155$. NO ROI for solar panels on vehicles. SolarMan is Right.
Aptera wants 900 USD for the additional panels, so say estimated price for full solar is 1800 USD total - so even for your cheap electricity price that would break even rather soon. But you don't know how long your electricity prices will stay that low - in Germany 1kWh is 0.50 EUR currently, meaning a even fast break even.
I lived in apartments/condos in Paris. My car was parked in underground parking garages both at night and during the day, and, even with that, the car was broken into five times. I would never park on the street, and street parking costs up to 4€/hr. The buildings block the sun anyway. I like the idea of solar on cars, but it has its limitations in cities. I'm sad to see Sono Motors's failure, but I hope Aptera succeeds.
I always liked the solar aspect of the design but it should be an option and not an integrated part of the car. It was a perfectly nice car without the panels - if you could get it to production.
Those figures were overly optimistic with squeaky clean panels the car perfectly oriented towards the sun, no cloud - not average, peak. In January in Germany (where they come from) the Sion would have gained a total of 13.65 kWh of total energy due to cloud cover and day length - but not per day, that's for the whole of the month and assuming that you don't have any buildings, trees, snow or anything else preventing that little sun reaching the car. In summer you wouldn't want to park the car in the direct sunlight unless you want everything warped and cooked and having to invest a significant amount of energy in cooling down the interior to survivable temperatures. Solar EV are a ludicrous idea from people and for people who can't do the maths and have a distinct lack of physics lessons during their school time.
Integrated solar on EVs is certainly do-able but that doesn’t make it sell-able. It would be great in the 3rd World where there’s poor infrastructure but no-one has $50K to spend on a car. Apartment dwellers in the 1st World might buy it but chances are they too will not have the capital required. House owners will just put panels on their roof to charge their car. If our apartment dweller does buy one then, ok, they can charge on the street on Saturday/Sunday. But when they drive to the office they are more than likely parking underground or where the car is shaded by buildings. Of course there will be some buyers for whom this can work but why target such a small niche with such a complex and unscalable product?
What doesn’t work for one may work for another. My second car that my wife drives only has 4500mi/year… that could have been a sono… Actually my commute is 16 mi and it’s usually sunny where I live, that could work for me 🤔
There are numerous examples of enthusiastic theorists who perform quirky experiments and try to turn them into products. They usually fail - and this is a good example. (BTW Sam - I am a successful entrepreneur - been so for 33 years...)
Elon said about the creation of Tesla Motors that "Starting a new car company is stupid. But starting a new ELECTRIC car company is stupidity squared." (or something like that). Anyway, it is hard to design and build a working prototype of any car, let alone an electric one. But bringing that car to market, at scale, is much Much MUCH harder and thus that much more expensive. Of the startups in the EV space who have yet to go to production, I think Aptera has the best chance of succeeding because their mission makes the most sense and their vehicles are so efficient that solar panels actually do make sense, which sadly is not necessarily the case with Sono's Silo.
I am excited for the future just like you! I hope I’m around to see the day when yearly worldwide oil and gas sales go down for the first time ever due to green tech. ❤️❤️❤️🥳🥳🥳
They are focusing on using Solar Panels on buses, trains and trucks. Making a car costs so much in capital! Shame that Apple do not pile into this or Aptera!! True that heat for having cells stuck to metal will likely degrade much quicker and prone to flake!
The Sion failed but the principle idea is still sound, when a light flexible solar panel comes to market at the right price getting a regular paint job instead will make you look like a fool.
Positivity is a powerful thing. Solar isn't only being worked on for cars. This little project called the international space station just installed roll out solar panels. Go educate yourselfs on how harsh that environment is.
Just a thought, is it possible to only manufacture solar cells for EVs instead of building a solar car from scratch? Maybe build solar body panels or roofs for other EV manufacturers such as Tesla or VW. Wouldn't that save more manufacturing cost?
No. Essentially because if solar cells worked on standard cars they would already be on them. Don't think Tesla did not look into this. The ONLY way it works is highly efficient lightweight ̶d̶e̶a̶t̶h̶ ̶t̶r̶a̶p̶s̶ three wheel vehicles like the Aptera
Solar on cars will work. On the Xbus models it works. But those are small and leightweight EV's. With the trent for huge SUV's and 2 metric ton sedans, it probably wont work befor 2030. But in cars like the Aptera and Xbus it is working already. Add to that the constant innovation in battery and solar tech, solar on cars has a great future.
@@vic321344 Not correct. Solar is already profen to work on small and leightweight EV's. The Xbus is a great example for that. In future, with better battery tech, leightweight and more range, and more innovations in better solarpanels, it will only get better. 15 years ago people thought that Solarpanels would be to expansive to ever work on roofs of houses, they were wrong. WIth a max range of 18mls per day for the average car, Solar will be more than enough to provide those ranges. For longer ranges, the battery will provide enough power to cover that. Charging speeds double every year. In 4 years most EV's will charge from 10% to 100% in 10 minutes. Solarpanels are cheap, and energy from it is free. Solarpanels already pay for itself, the production as well as construction on EV's. When you can get 50mls per day free energy, people will be stupid not to use it.
Lol they're ever bigger scammers than Sono. Not only do their charging claims work only in the sunniest place on Earth, in summer at midday, but they also claim their vehicle is twice as efficient as a Renault Twizy, which is currently the most efficient EV.
@@drunkenhobo8020 LOL, the Renault Twizy WAS most efficient in 2013. You seem to live in the past, like so many others. Keep living with the dinosaurs, look what happend to that group.
@@BMWHP2 But it still is the most efficient BEV. I'd be interested to see if you could name another more efficient one, or do you just prefer to be condescending?
Sion is some panels slapped on an otherwise very standard EV hatchback. Aptera uses extreme efficiency to make the small amount of solar energy gains useful and at the same time is soo efficient it can be charged with 120v overnight quite well. I am a strong supporter of Aptera but honestly if it didn't have the solar panels I would still be a strong supporter of Aptera as a low cost electric sports car with storage.
Gotta wonder where "smart money" (venture capital) is; why nobody with big bucks sees these projects as promising and with huge prospects. The modest prices of Sono and Aptera vehicles pretty much assure strong demand. Why is big money so timid? Down here in regular-folks-ville, we want these cars.
Because nobody with big bucks is so stupid to throw his money away. In order to make money from modest price cars youhave to produce them in masses. How you are going to do that with an inexperienced start up? It’s just logic not a conspiracy or anything like that.
We tried hard, but humanity is not evolved to such a higher level yet. Many people prefer and cherish ICE vehicles, so a solar powered car is a no no to them ... They prefer the enslavement to the petrol station, to the almost complete freedom Sono Sion offers. Thank you 🙂
Sonomotors is making a comeback and just got funding approved to take them out of insolvency first tranch of financing should be next week and most employees are brought back
The Sion was an SUV much larger, heavier, and less aerodynamic than the Aptera yet claimed a similar range (miles per day) from its solar panels. Sono didn't claim the same mileage (miles/kwh) as the Aptera, but it claimed the same solar range. I never thought the claim was credible. Either Sono overstated its range, or Aptera understates its range. The numbers don't add up otherwise. Expecting Sono to overstate the range is more plausible. I'm an Aptera fanboy, but even its claimed solar range may be optimistic. If it really achieves 30 miles a day on average, incorporating solar into the car itself seems defensible since many people, including me, live in a sunny clime and drive less than 30 miles per day on average. Much less than 30 miles, and the panels are only a gimmick. If I'm plugging in frequently to charge anyway, ten miles of solar range per day makes little difference, so the panels and related electronics aren't worth the cost. The Sion presumably fell into this category. Hopefully, the Aptera doesn't ... if it's ever produced. If you want to charge your EV with solar panels, unless your car is extremely efficient, installing the panels on your roof or in your yard makes more sense. Skip the panels on the car and support bidirectional charging so the car's battery can power your home when the sun's not shining. If Aptera had half of the investment that Sono attracted, it would already be in production. I never thought of Aptera as a solar vehicle primarily. It's a hyper-efficient vehicle, and as such, it isn't comparable to either Sono or Lightyear or any other EV. Why it hasn't attracted more investment is anyone's guess, but with Sono and Lightyear both folding or canceling their "solar vehicles", the investment climate presumably isn't improving.
The Aptera panels are about 700Wp and only facing upwards. It's efficiency is great. IIRC, the Sion had more panels and some facing left/right/backwards, maybe that would have compensated some of the bad aerodynamics and heavy weight. Of course some of the panels are not getting full sunlight, no matter how you park the car, but it's good if the sun is rather low, like in winter or in the morning/evening, the side and rear panels produce more than the upwards facing ones. I wouldn't have bought the Sion, but I have an Aptera reservation. Some people would choose the other way, for reasons.
@@vic321344 It's an autocycle and that development and production is cheaper is a good thing for startups and for buyers. Also insurance should be cheaper.
@@vic321344 It's not like we are charging LiIon batteries with solar panels for the very first time. That tech exists since long and is getting better all the time.
Oh boy… Big difference between an optimist and a REALIST! Do you understand anything about electricity!? Ahhh, now we see the details. Will not be able to do full charges but “enough” solar power to add only 30 miles? That WOULD be good (need to be proven FIRST), but the added price/weight, for that LITTLE extra charge, cannot be a “winning combination”. WAKE ME UP, when there is a TRUE BREAKTHROUGH, sustainable and cheap enough and all the CURRENT issues get surpassed…
Solar cells are not heavy, neither is the electronics. Also, cells got way cheaper in the last 20 years. The tricky part is to encapsulate the cells in a suitable way for car usage and it seems that Sono as well as Aptera have solved that. Of course there is no long term practical experience with that (AFAIK), but at least they simulated harsh conditions in the lab.
Why wouldn’t Tesla buy Sono? They don’t have a viable product, but the pennies they would pay would surely return them some good ideas, and access to some very good talent.
Since BYD never want to takeover other car company, I think Geely Group should buy Sono company. Sono is too similar name to Sony, I think the buyer will rename it.
How does the trade off of getting a few KWHr per day compare to the extra energy required to cool the car down when you want to use it? In a hot sunny climate many cars are garaged to lower the sun wear on the car.
There is NO technology that makes solar panels useful to me. Putting them on for 'free', is fine. I'm not paying for them. My car is garaged, more than not. Yes, daytime too. When it's not garaged daytime, I'm looking for shade to park in. And my drives are LONG, very long, weekly. And that's not going to change. And with these things.. means the amount of solar energy I'll get is probably about 1 tenth of the claimed numbers you CAN get in perfect conditions for solar use. Don't get me wrong.. I LOVE solar. I have it on my home. Where it f'n belongs. On my car, completely unnecessary unless it's basically a free thing to put on. Which it isn't. Not in cost, not in weight, and not in aesthetics. No thank you. Not for me. If you keep your car out in the blazing sun all day.. sure.. I can see why you want it. There is some useful amount you can get in perfect conditions. But honestly.. it's still pretty low usefulness. And it's not something you'd likely rely on. But, if people have a use for it.. great. Not me, and I doubt I'm alone. Put solar on your house. That's my advice. My use case.. and I know my use case well.. I live my use case for years.. and I understand solar reasonably well.. MY use case says solar on a car is near useless. Certainly not worth any cost to add it. I don't want the weight.. I don't want the current ugly aesthetic.. and I'm not paying anything for the minimal amount of energy return that I would see.
Along with human personnel being fired and let go. Think of all the *"Robots"* that are gonna be sitting idle. 😳 At 1 point those "Robots" thought they had a _"robust"_ career ahead of them. 🥺
No amount of Solar Panels is going to make a significant contribution to the range of an EV of a usable size. The maths simply doesn't work. Even with panels twice as efficient and living on the Equator wouldn't be enough to power one a useful distance, let alone a cloudy climate with today's tech. It's a dumb idea, doomed to failure. Aptera isn't going to work either, because it's not a practical size for every day use. There won't be enough orders, and it's going to cost way too much. Sure, some people will buy them as a toy, but that's not a viable business model.
This vlog strikes a dissonant note. The Viking as a motivation guy (boring) is very much on show while the technically informed guy is nowhere to be seen. It is not good form for the Viking to be picking on commenters making substantial contributions for the sin of having a negative attitude (or is that just healthy scepticism about unproven technologies and unfulfilled technical hopes).
Elon Musk is being talked about on national TV as a raciest because of statements he’s making on the internet. This can’t have a good effect on Tesla or Pepsi.
🎭 🤣🤣🤣 You do know he is part white and part black. He is a Malotto just like Obama ☯️ 🎭 I would like a "Link" to what he has been saying though, appreciate it. 🙂
The *"Propaganda Western Mass Media"* have been trying to hurt Elon Musk ever since he said those negative things about the *"Democratic Party"* which is the TRUTH. Car sales are still doing well and different governments are still asking him to put things in space via #Space_X People have been figuring things out for themselves. 👍
Re bar car. that is it. demolish entire house for one light bulb burnt out. normal. K swap the motor keep driving pile of poo. replace the seat. Solid gold car. Wow mental problems. Stop.
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"Politician language". SO. TRUE!!! Shows these guys might not have been the right people for the project to succeed...
Best way to have a solar powered EV is to put a solar system on your roof, lots of area that can be > then a order of magnitude larger then a car plus always point in the right direction.
An engineering review of Lightyear by some one that has a solar powered EV
th-cam.com/users/results?search_query=eevblog+lightyear
Aptera is so much more than solar. It is a hyper efficient, fun, 2 seater. Much larger than it looks, great story. I can't wait to see them on the streets!
Aptera is sadly going to go broke. It's a niche market, the sort of amazing car that people say they want but won't actually buy when it comes to parting with the cash.
nah, they cant even finalize their designs lol. after 10 years they will again go bankrupt.
I wish them every success but there's zero appeal to me aside from the solar bit. The thing is huge, completely useless in Europe because of that, and driving isn't supposed to be fun anyway. It's to get you from somewhere you're bored or useless, to somewhere you can have fun or do some work.
th-cam.com/users/shortsAYMa95lZtb4?feature=share
Since I live in Germany and worked in legacy auto (gladly not any more) this is no wonder to me. Legacy auto and the oil industry make it as hard as possible for start-ups to succeed.
Thanks for the update about Sono Motors. I bought some shares quite a while ago before they were delisted from NASDAQ. I hope they make a comeback. I am a big fan of solar panels on homes and EVs. Aptera seems to be able to make solar panels work, so they should also work on Sono EVs too. A group of Dutch students built a solar camper van that they call Stella Vita. It has solar panels. They drove it 3000 km to southern Spain. You might want to do a video about the Stella Vita( = Star Life??).
I am so glad, that they are done with the Sion. I am from Germany, I followed the whole story from beginning to end. There is nothing to be sad about. This project was flawed right from the start, beginning with the kind of car they chose. The only thing they did great was PR, but with very little behind it. They dragged on far too long when it was more than foreseeable that this will never succeed.
TY
Nice to get some input about this company other than Sam.
@@icosthop9998 You are welcome. 🙂
Why didn’t more people see it? Aren’t there enough smart people in Germany anymore, or is it all immigrants now?
@Tom Tom Well the Germans like Sweden have their problems with the Muslim immigrants every so often.
One channel on here that would let us know about it, #TH-cam took it off their platform. 🤨
Yep, if you did any calculations on their solar range claims they only made sense in the middle of the day at the equator with no clouds. So not exactly their European market.
Sam. Unless you live on the equator. A flat solar panel on the roof of a vehicle is VERY inefficient.
I am still of the belief that this solar tech is good to support/improve EV's and hybrid vehicles when done appropriately. Glad to see they will do it for any vehicle that someone brings to them.
Sorry to see Sion close if was hopping to buy their vehicle in Australia it would have been Great
No matter what we want to hear, I bet that the SONO statement was written by lawyers, not the founders. It should be enough that we understand what they wanted to say, but couldn't.
That statement sounds like the founders. They have been like this all the time - as if they are constantly drunk on their own idea.
Solar man is right in this cause. Solar on vehicles will never make sense. 22 miles gained in good conditions = about 6 kw of energy. 6 kw = 90 cents of electricity at 15 cents per kw. 90 x 365 = 328 $ a year. 15 years of average life of a vehicle. 15 x 328 = 4920 $. 4920 is under impossibly optimal conditions. I can guarantee Sono Motors spends more then 5000$ to put solar on there cars.
Yuma Arizona is the sunniest place in the world with 308 days of sunshine. 308 x 90 cents = $277 per year. $277 x 15 = 4155$. NO ROI for solar panels on vehicles. SolarMan is Right.
Aptera wants 900 USD for the additional panels, so say estimated price for full solar is 1800 USD total - so even for your cheap electricity price that would break even rather soon. But you don't know how long your electricity prices will stay that low - in Germany 1kWh is 0.50 EUR currently, meaning a even fast break even.
@@ThomasWaldmann yeah I did think his calculations were awfully presumptive considering they only used the electricity price in one country. :D
Aptera ? 1000 mile range, solar charging, carbon fiber construction, $25K. You be the judge.
I lived in apartments/condos in Paris. My car was parked in underground parking garages both at night and during the day, and, even with that, the car was broken into five times. I would never park on the street, and street parking costs up to 4€/hr. The buildings block the sun anyway. I like the idea of solar on cars, but it has its limitations in cities. I'm sad to see Sono Motors's failure, but I hope Aptera succeeds.
It could as a niche sports car / fun road trip vehicle. For getting around cities, its too big and the solar, as you say, is pretty much useless.
Honda should buy this company and put their badge on it and call it the new Fit EV.
"If you're going through hell keep going." -Winston Churchill
That's disappointing, hope someone will carry the torch
I always liked the solar aspect of the design but it should be an option and not an integrated part of the car. It was a perfectly nice car without the panels - if you could get it to production.
Boy, you are popping them out today, it is a *_Very Good_* thing I am Da Boss. 😎 🤗
Those figures were overly optimistic with squeaky clean panels the car perfectly oriented towards the sun, no cloud - not average, peak. In January in Germany (where they come from) the Sion would have gained a total of 13.65 kWh of total energy due to cloud cover and day length - but not per day, that's for the whole of the month and assuming that you don't have any buildings, trees, snow or anything else preventing that little sun reaching the car. In summer you wouldn't want to park the car in the direct sunlight unless you want everything warped and cooked and having to invest a significant amount of energy in cooling down the interior to survivable temperatures. Solar EV are a ludicrous idea from people and for people who can't do the maths and have a distinct lack of physics lessons during their school time.
Integrated solar on EVs is certainly do-able but that doesn’t make it sell-able. It would be great in the 3rd World where there’s poor infrastructure but no-one has $50K to spend on a car. Apartment dwellers in the 1st World might buy it but chances are they too will not have the capital required. House owners will just put panels on their roof to charge their car. If our apartment dweller does buy one then, ok, they can charge on the street on Saturday/Sunday. But when they drive to the office they are more than likely parking underground or where the car is shaded by buildings. Of course there will be some buyers for whom this can work but why target such a small niche with such a complex and unscalable product?
What doesn’t work for one may work for another. My second car that my wife drives only has 4500mi/year… that could have been a sono…
Actually my commute is 16 mi and it’s usually sunny where I live, that could work for me 🤔
There are numerous examples of enthusiastic theorists who perform quirky experiments and try to turn them into products. They usually fail - and this is a good example. (BTW Sam - I am a successful entrepreneur - been so for 33 years...)
Elon said about the creation of Tesla Motors that "Starting a new car company is stupid. But starting a new ELECTRIC car company is stupidity squared." (or something like that). Anyway, it is hard to design and build a working prototype of any car, let alone an electric one. But bringing that car to market, at scale, is much Much MUCH harder and thus that much more expensive. Of the startups in the EV space who have yet to go to production, I think Aptera has the best chance of succeeding because their mission makes the most sense and their vehicles are so efficient that solar panels actually do make sense, which sadly is not necessarily the case with Sono's Silo.
Save the Artic, kill the ice
LoL Very nice slogan 🤗
Lol thought your were referring to the glaciers.
@@christopherderasmo5041 I was, but for got how to spell 'glaciers" 😔and my text suggestions didn't help. 😖
@@christopherderasmo5041 ps. Thank you for the correct spelling. 😁👍 Now I can say it....
" Save the glaciers, kill the ice !"
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@@irri4662 No, for a solid minute I thought you were saying we had to kill the glaciers to save the Artic. 😂
I was like whaaat?
Plus 11kw 2 way inverter.
I am excited for the future just like you! I hope I’m around to see the day when yearly worldwide oil and gas sales go down for the first time ever due to green tech. ❤️❤️❤️🥳🥳🥳
oil and gas is needed to produce so-called green tech. you have no idea how energy works, do you?
They are focusing on using Solar Panels on buses, trains and trucks. Making a car costs so much in capital! Shame that Apple do not pile into this or Aptera!! True that heat for having cells stuck to metal will likely degrade much quicker and prone to flake!
Why should apple waste its money?
Apple couldn't do a solar car because no-one else has done it at scale yet, so they have no homework to copy.
This is to bad. I really like the green thingy on the dashboard
Wait, a company in Munich wanted to sell solar cells with added cars? That's bold...
The Sion failed but the principle idea is still sound, when a light flexible solar panel comes to market at the right price getting a regular paint job instead will make you look like a fool.
I love it when you sock it to the man Sam. Keep it up!
Positivity is a powerful thing. Solar isn't only being worked on for cars. This little project called the international space station just installed roll out solar panels. Go educate yourselfs on how harsh that environment is.
They went througth the same as byton , they run out of money just reaching the start line
And they had a shitty flawed product not to forget.
Lost 500 Euros. Looks like every project i fund goes bankrupt. I m cursed.
It's a niche idea but it doesn't work if you want to store your car in garage to protect it from element and thief
It’s not more than a gimmick.
Just a thought, is it possible to only manufacture solar cells for EVs instead of building a solar car from scratch? Maybe build solar body panels or roofs for other EV manufacturers such as Tesla or VW. Wouldn't that save more manufacturing cost?
No. Essentially because if solar cells worked on standard cars they would already be on them. Don't think Tesla did not look into this. The ONLY way it works is highly efficient lightweight ̶d̶e̶a̶t̶h̶ ̶t̶r̶a̶p̶s̶ three wheel vehicles like the Aptera
Solar on cars will work.
On the Xbus models it works. But those are small and leightweight EV's.
With the trent for huge SUV's and 2 metric ton sedans, it probably wont work befor 2030. But in cars like the Aptera and Xbus it is working already.
Add to that the constant innovation in battery and solar tech, solar on cars has a great future.
@@vic321344 Not correct. Solar is already profen to work on small and leightweight EV's. The Xbus is a great example for that.
In future, with better battery tech, leightweight and more range, and more innovations in better solarpanels, it will only get better. 15 years ago people thought that Solarpanels would be to expansive to ever work on roofs of houses, they were wrong.
WIth a max range of 18mls per day for the average car, Solar will be more than enough to provide those ranges.
For longer ranges, the battery will provide enough power to cover that. Charging speeds double every year. In 4 years most EV's will charge from 10% to 100% in 10 minutes.
Solarpanels are cheap, and energy from it is free. Solarpanels already pay for itself, the production as well as construction on EV's.
When you can get 50mls per day free energy, people will be stupid not to use it.
Lol they're ever bigger scammers than Sono. Not only do their charging claims work only in the sunniest place on Earth, in summer at midday, but they also claim their vehicle is twice as efficient as a Renault Twizy, which is currently the most efficient EV.
@@drunkenhobo8020 LOL, the Renault Twizy WAS most efficient in 2013. You seem to live in the past, like so many others. Keep living with the dinosaurs, look what happend to that group.
@@BMWHP2 But it still is the most efficient BEV. I'd be interested to see if you could name another more efficient one, or do you just prefer to be condescending?
Sion is some panels slapped on an otherwise very standard EV hatchback. Aptera uses extreme efficiency to make the small amount of solar energy gains useful and at the same time is soo efficient it can be charged with 120v overnight quite well. I am a strong supporter of Aptera but honestly if it didn't have the solar panels I would still be a strong supporter of Aptera as a low cost electric sports car with storage.
Gotta wonder where "smart money" (venture capital) is; why nobody with big bucks sees these projects as promising and with huge prospects. The modest prices of Sono and Aptera vehicles pretty much assure strong demand. Why is big money so timid? Down here in regular-folks-ville, we want these cars.
Because nobody with big bucks is so stupid to throw his money away. In order to make money from modest price cars youhave to produce them in masses. How you are going to do that with an inexperienced start up?
It’s just logic not a conspiracy or anything like that.
We tried hard, but humanity is not evolved to such a higher level yet. Many people prefer and cherish ICE vehicles, so a solar powered car is a no no to them ...
They prefer the enslavement to the petrol station, to the almost complete freedom Sono Sion offers.
Thank you 🙂
Sono Sion offers no freedon at all. It was just a hoax to get money from suckers.
Sonomotors is making a comeback and just got funding approved to take them out of insolvency first tranch of financing should be next week and most employees are brought back
If you want solar panels on your car, just buy some for a few hundred dollars and glue them on yourself.
The Sion was an SUV much larger, heavier, and less aerodynamic than the Aptera yet claimed a similar range (miles per day) from its solar panels. Sono didn't claim the same mileage (miles/kwh) as the Aptera, but it claimed the same solar range. I never thought the claim was credible. Either Sono overstated its range, or Aptera understates its range. The numbers don't add up otherwise. Expecting Sono to overstate the range is more plausible.
I'm an Aptera fanboy, but even its claimed solar range may be optimistic. If it really achieves 30 miles a day on average, incorporating solar into the car itself seems defensible since many people, including me, live in a sunny clime and drive less than 30 miles per day on average. Much less than 30 miles, and the panels are only a gimmick. If I'm plugging in frequently to charge anyway, ten miles of solar range per day makes little difference, so the panels and related electronics aren't worth the cost. The Sion presumably fell into this category. Hopefully, the Aptera doesn't ... if it's ever produced.
If you want to charge your EV with solar panels, unless your car is extremely efficient, installing the panels on your roof or in your yard makes more sense. Skip the panels on the car and support bidirectional charging so the car's battery can power your home when the sun's not shining.
If Aptera had half of the investment that Sono attracted, it would already be in production. I never thought of Aptera as a solar vehicle primarily. It's a hyper-efficient vehicle, and as such, it isn't comparable to either Sono or Lightyear or any other EV. Why it hasn't attracted more investment is anyone's guess, but with Sono and Lightyear both folding or canceling their "solar vehicles", the investment climate presumably isn't improving.
The Aptera panels are about 700Wp and only facing upwards. It's efficiency is great.
IIRC, the Sion had more panels and some facing left/right/backwards, maybe that would have compensated some of the bad aerodynamics and heavy weight.
Of course some of the panels are not getting full sunlight, no matter how you park the car, but it's good if the sun is rather low, like in winter or in the morning/evening, the side and rear panels produce more than the upwards facing ones.
I wouldn't have bought the Sion, but I have an Aptera reservation. Some people would choose the other way, for reasons.
@@vic321344 It's an autocycle and that development and production is cheaper is a good thing for startups and for buyers. Also insurance should be cheaper.
@@vic321344 It's not like we are charging LiIon batteries with solar panels for the very first time. That tech exists since long and is getting better all the time.
@@vic321344 I somehow have the impression that your main goal on aptera youtube is to spread FUD. So: EOD.
Oh boy…
Big difference between an optimist and a REALIST!
Do you understand anything about electricity!?
Ahhh, now we see the details. Will not be able to do full charges but “enough” solar power to add only 30 miles?
That WOULD be good (need to be proven FIRST), but the added price/weight, for that LITTLE extra charge, cannot be a “winning combination”.
WAKE ME UP, when there is a TRUE BREAKTHROUGH, sustainable and cheap enough and all the CURRENT issues get surpassed…
Solar cells are not heavy, neither is the electronics. Also, cells got way cheaper in the last 20 years.
The tricky part is to encapsulate the cells in a suitable way for car usage and it seems that Sono as well as Aptera have solved that. Of course there is no long term practical experience with that (AFAIK), but at least they simulated harsh conditions in the lab.
Why wouldn’t Tesla buy Sono? They don’t have a viable product, but the pennies they would pay would surely return them some good ideas, and access to some very good talent.
What a shame! That car could have been my favorite!😢
It would have never gone into production anyway.
All the fringe players are going to get flushed out more will die every day. The dreamer days are over.
Since BYD never want to takeover other car company, I think Geely Group should buy Sono company.
Sono is too similar name to Sony, I think the buyer will rename it.
don't bet against Tesla.
True 👍
How does the trade off of getting a few KWHr per day compare to the extra energy
required to cool the car down when you want to use it?
In a hot sunny climate many cars are garaged to lower the sun wear on the car.
interesting
There is NO technology that makes solar panels useful to me. Putting them on for 'free', is fine. I'm not paying for them. My car is garaged, more than not. Yes, daytime too. When it's not garaged daytime, I'm looking for shade to park in. And my drives are LONG, very long, weekly. And that's not going to change. And with these things.. means the amount of solar energy I'll get is probably about 1 tenth of the claimed numbers you CAN get in perfect conditions for solar use. Don't get me wrong.. I LOVE solar. I have it on my home. Where it f'n belongs. On my car, completely unnecessary unless it's basically a free thing to put on. Which it isn't. Not in cost, not in weight, and not in aesthetics. No thank you. Not for me. If you keep your car out in the blazing sun all day.. sure.. I can see why you want it. There is some useful amount you can get in perfect conditions. But honestly.. it's still pretty low usefulness. And it's not something you'd likely rely on. But, if people have a use for it.. great. Not me, and I doubt I'm alone. Put solar on your house. That's my advice. My use case.. and I know my use case well.. I live my use case for years.. and I understand solar reasonably well.. MY use case says solar on a car is near useless. Certainly not worth any cost to add it. I don't want the weight.. I don't want the current ugly aesthetic.. and I'm not paying anything for the minimal amount of energy return that I would see.
Along with human personnel being fired and let go.
Think of all the *"Robots"* that are gonna be sitting idle. 😳
At 1 point those "Robots" thought they had a _"robust"_ career ahead of them. 🥺
No amount of Solar Panels is going to make a significant contribution to the range of an EV of a usable size. The maths simply doesn't work. Even with panels twice as efficient and living on the Equator wouldn't be enough to power one a useful distance, let alone a cloudy climate with today's tech. It's a dumb idea, doomed to failure. Aptera isn't going to work either, because it's not a practical size for every day use. There won't be enough orders, and it's going to cost way too much. Sure, some people will buy them as a toy, but that's not a viable business model.
Finally someone with a brain 👍
Come on Elon…buy the technology or the company.
well i need a cigarrete cause i got fu🤬k by sono i had 1000 shares for 4.50$
This vlog strikes a dissonant note. The Viking as a motivation guy (boring) is very much on show while the technically informed guy is nowhere to be seen. It is not good form for the Viking to be picking on commenters making substantial contributions for the sin of having a negative attitude (or is that just healthy scepticism about unproven technologies and unfulfilled technical hopes).
is it so hard to say "merchandise", ? please don't bastardize the English language.
Elon Musk is being talked about on national TV as a raciest because of statements he’s making on the internet. This can’t have a good effect on Tesla or Pepsi.
🎭 🤣🤣🤣
You do know he is part white and part black.
He is a Malotto just like Obama ☯️ 🎭
I would like a "Link" to what he has been saying though, appreciate it. 🙂
Who watches MSM anymore?
The *"Propaganda Western Mass Media"* have been trying to hurt Elon Musk ever since he said those negative things about the *"Democratic Party"* which is the TRUTH.
Car sales are still doing well and different governments are still asking him to put things in space via #Space_X
People have been figuring things out for themselves. 👍
I know 😒
@@jezza6575 or CNN
😄 😂😂😂
Re bar car. that is it. demolish entire house for one light bulb burnt out. normal. K swap the motor keep driving pile of poo. replace the seat. Solid gold car. Wow mental problems. Stop.
I had 12,000 shares at 1.023$, am i fcked?
yes, you are fcked! These founders would go to jail. They wasted too much money
EVs might be ok in 15 years when someone finds a solution to the shitty batteries we have now. Until then they are just big toys.
Tesla model Y will be the most sold carmodel on planet Earth in year 2023 😎