Ep 90: What's the future of connecting our tech to our brains? | INNER COSMOS WITH DAVID EAGLEMAN
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Ep 90: What's the future of connecting our tech to our brains? | INNER COSMOS WITH DAVID EAGLEMAN
A brain's 86 billion neurons are always chattering along with tiny electrical and chemical signals. But how can we get inside the brain to study the fine details? Can we eavesdrop on cells using other cells? What is the future of communication between brains? Join Eagleman with special guest Max Hodak, founder of Science Corp, a company pioneering stunning new methods in brain computer interfaces.
Original Air Date: February 3, 2025
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Neuroscientist and author David Eagleman discusses how our brain interprets the world and what that means for us. Through storytelling, research, interviews, and experiments, David Eagleman tackles wild questions that illuminate new facets of our lives and our realities.
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I have a lazy 32:23 eye and I think I could benefit from this ! Please respond
Incredibly fascinating. This gets back to the original reason I became a fan of Dr. E - BCI and sensory addition 🤯 Great episode.
The "transporter problem" @ 47:05 is what keeps me up at night, I'm glad he mentioned a possible solution for continuity @ 51:20. One of the best talks I've seen in a long while. Also Pantheon was amazing.
What if it does a duplication glitch like video games have so often for items? Oops, two of us to run about now!
I think that sometimes the question isn't always whether or not we can but rather if we should. I'm both fascinated and terrified by this conversation.
I now need to see Max and Dr. Michael Levin talk.
All of these topics are covered in the very readable book by Michael Chorost, "World Wide Mind: The Coming Integration of Humanity, Machines, and the Internet". He explores the science and technology needed, and envisions future scenarios of (among other things) telepathically connected teams.
Wow, wonderful topics and nice talks
Fascinating lecture, as always. Watching these videos is like being an explorer traveling into all unknown places! Thank you for keeping an old guy excited about still being around! This reminds me of the Netflix series: "Altered Carbon" of uploaded consciousness for space travel.
Hi David. This is a great and very interesting topic. I love the cosmos. Quick question: have you ever studied telepathy in any kind of Zizic way? Is it possible for people to be telepathic or is that just some fun sci-fi and fantasy stuff that we get to enjoy, but you know we can’t do it. Is it that we can’t project our thoughts outside the prison of our skulls? I wonder what keeps us from being able to see into each other’s minds.
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My comment engages with the content in episode 90, including some thought experiments:
This reminds me of an episode of the science fiction show on Netflix called Black Mirror.
There is an accident, and a wife's consciousness gets uploaded into her husband's brain.
It's nice at first, but the husband wants to move on with his life, aka find a new physical mate. When he does, he moves the wife’s consciousness into a stuffed animal for their daughter to have, but quickly outgrows. The stuffed animal has basic communication between "monkey loves you" and "monkey needs a hug".
If in this situation the husband was intertwined with the wife's emotions, he would continue to feel the extreme loneliness that she experiences. He would either be so connected that he thinks far enough ahead to see the pain that would be caused by moving the wife's consciousness in the first place, like a self-preservation mechanism, or he wouldn't be able to live with his decision, and either medicate to numb or take his life.
A scenario where the four-hemisphere connection could work, is between a scientist and an astronaut that's entering a black hole. The person who stays behind would have a better understanding of what is happening being linked so deeply. If that works, they could try adding people to increase the instant knowledge feedback. Instead of conversation, though, it would be telepathy. And let's say a few amount of people are connected as one and have every piece of information there is to know, the final question is, what would they do? With all the information in the universe, what would they be inspired to do?
I think it comes down to one thing. Physical contact. The wife's consciousness is a reminder of the physical connection they once had. Even the bond between mother and daughter is breakable when the physical being is replaceable, not because the mother is no longer important, but because physical life is what's real, and there is someone new who experiences the same things they do.
Think about a set of quadruplets, four identical babies. Two babies get this four-hemisphere connection and the other two do not. They grow up in the exact same conditions and with the same DNA the grow the same. Except, the connected twins have an advantage and can be apart, learn separate subjects and combine their knowledge. They excel and reach a level incomprehensible to the other set of twins. At that point, the tension in the difference in wisdom comes between the two sets of twins, and even if the set without the connection was offered, they would refuse based on their identity as "the other" which is strengthened because there were two.
The gap in wisdom increases between the sets of twins, and they separate further until they become different species entirely. Future generations of the connected would be more likely to get the connection with a history of success.
In Biology, a mutation is any change in an organism's DNA. There is also gene flow, or migration, and is the physical movement of alleles caused by individuals moving into and away from populations. This can counter the effects of natural selection because the decreased genes, non-favorable under the current conditions, are replenished into the population, creating a new proportion of alleles. Additionally, if a dominant alleled individual leaves the population, the frequency of alleles in the original population for the dominant allele decreases.
Additionally, if there is force put on either set of twins to be eliminated, this is essentially adding pest repellent to crops which doesn't really kill off the entire pest species, but instead breeds future generations of more resilient pests.
There would probably need to be enough variety amongst the connected individuals, that live in peace with the unconnected, until they can "afford" to split. I say this because of the founder effect, which is exactly this scenario and leads to a new and distinct gene pool with a higher frequency of traits present in the founding individuals, including rare diseases. Since the connected twins or individuals would know this, they would need to take enough steps to ensure the DNA in the new group is diverse enough to withstand the migration, while the original population naturally expands.
However, it might just be an impossible task, and instead, the connected twins, understanding how unique the planet is, stay and live and die, and eventually the people who chose to get connected like the twins did stop, and instead work and pay back into the systems that keep people alive and provided the opportunity to connect and learn in the first place because they're truly grateful for the unique place that is our home, this planet, and since they want others to understand how truly great it is, they don't tell them it's great, they just go about enjoying and appreciating it and then whoever is ready to see that and think, wow, what do they know that I don't know, that person's life begins getting better by asking the question. But if that person asked, why does that guy have a great life and I don't, then they'll come up with more reasons for why their life is miserable. The reason behind why the person would ask one question or the other depends entirely upon the individual, comprised of their DNA, the environment and the experiences which shaped their identity.
We get the life we focus on. We get the answers to the questions we ask.
(What questions are you asking yourself?)
I'd take the upload, better than nothing even if it's not exactly me.
I’d rather caramelise onions