The thing you young people don't know about KISS is by the early 80's their career was in dire straits in America.They had were so over exposed and played out by the end of the 70's the public was sick of them.Their fans had turned on them because they were now viewed a s a band for children with all the toys and mass merchandising they did. They had lost all credibility especially after having a disco hit. Some say it was an act of desperation but taking the make up off not only gained them new publicity when they were now considered irrelevant,. It worked and it now became safe to be a KISS fan again because they were now more adult and got a whole new fan base and became contemporary again. The decade plus that followed also helped the legend of the make up years grow and when they put it back on it blew up into a massive success and now(with a few exceptions LOL) they're doing it right.
In 1973, Queen proudly proclaimed on their debut album that "No-one played synthesizer." Their next six albums, through 1978's Jazz, all made the same statement, signifying the band's sheer talent at creating unusual sounds using only piano, guitar, bass, drums, and vocals (and the odd harpsichord and electric piano). Then came Queen's most commercially successful album, The Game, in 1980. With this album, the band went for a more pop-driven sound, and for the first time ever, they used a synthesizer while making it. They even proudly proclaimed in the liner notes that it was an Oberheim OBX. They (and by "they", I mean Freddie Mercury) decided to keep going down this rabbit hole with their next two releases, the "Flash Gordon" soundtrack in 1981, and Hot Space in 1982. Both of these outings proved to be disappointing, even to the point of alienating most of their fan base in the United States. In 1984, Queen released The Works, and with it came a new direction of being able to blend in keyboards, while restoring and maintaining their core rock sound. By 1991, fans saw a new maturity in Queen's sound and they started to buy their records again. Unfortunately, Freddie Mercury's death late that year put an abrupt end to what likely would have been a literal Queen Renaissance.
I'm not talking about popularity. I'm talking about the quality of the music they recorded. Listen to their older work and compare it to their more recent songs.
I really thought Linkin Park would be on here. If One More Light was the first album you listened from them, you'd have no idea that they started out nu-metal.
Other than Lamb Lies Down On Broadway, Tony Banks actually determined the direction of Genesis from the beginning through their more pop oriented latter days.
I feel like Pantera should be been given a mention here, if only a small one, given that they began as a glam metal/cock rock group, but one who became the defining characteristic of what "METAL" was in the 90s and early 2000s. No other band, since their prevail, has been copied quite so much.
I know. They didn't get REALLY FAMOUS until AFTER they dropped the cheesy act. Which is exactly why I said they deserved a nod. Thank you for noticing. 🤘🤣💥🤛⬅️🤬
@@overdsemedia yeah but that goes against the title of the video. That's why I think that genesis being on the video was wrong. I mean, they became sort of known with gabriel, but to a really little audience
It's One Eighty Two. The 182 comes from a movie called Turk 182...in the movie it was pronounced one eighty two. In case you care...the 182 was added to their name because the name Blink was already being used by a different band
Yeah, but the reinvention thing was kinda the thing that actually made him famous. So doing it over and over again was basically just sticking with what he was known for.
The Beach Boys 'Pet Sounds' was a big diversion from their previous surfer boy albums. With such songs as 'Wouldn't It Be Nice' and 'God Only Knows', it was their best album and inspired countless other bands at the time, such as the Beatles, who crafted Sgt. Peppers afterwards. Music itself was changed by the spark that this album created. Unfortunately, some of the Beach Boys did not have faith in the path they started down and their follow up project, 'Smile', was halted during production and they never really got to reap the rewards of their experimentation.
My problem with Metallica was the shift in sound quality. The albums went from sounding like they were recorded in a studio, to sounding like they were recorded in a bathroom.
Ministry should be on here. A lot o their metal fans have no clue that in the 80's they were a new wave dance synth pop band and had some hits. Think about this: They were opening for Culture Club in '84 then 35 years later touring with Slayer!
Genesis kept the Prog there even when the Pop came in. Songs like Home by the Sea, Domino, Do the Neurotic, Dreaming While You Sleep to name a few. A lot of the Pop also came from Mike Rutherford. Also Load was what got me into Metallica :)
Genesis didn't immediately change direction when Gabriel left. I'd doubt they regretted the eventual change either with the success it brought them. Their pop songs, for the most part, were still smart, quality songs. Most of the silly, cheesy pop stuff was reserved for Collins' and Rutherford's projects away from the band....but they also put some some high quality stuff on their own as well.
Not sure about the Radiohead commentary. Maybe it was different in the UK (and I realize that's their home market), but in the US, they lost a lot of fans with Kid A and afterwards. I used to know a bunch of people who were into them (and I was too), but now I don't think I know a single person who will actually admit to liking them, or the solo stuff for that matter.
Pearl Jam changed from vs. to vitalogy, then changed drastically for no code, then changed again for yield, then drastically again for binaural, then again for riot act, and so on and so on...
Tim Proctor I’m only 15 but once I get married later on I want future days or just breathe to be my wedding song. I love both of those so much. This year I took piano class in school and we had to pick a solo piece to play and I picked future days, it’s such a great song.
redycube it really is. Another good live song is Thin Air from Binaural. My other favorite is Present Tense from No Code. I picked that as a song I’d want played at my funeral for a class assignment once. It’s really uplifting. My favorites for just putting me in a great mood are Faithfull from Yield (their best song in my opinion) and Amongst the Waves from the self titled Avocado album. How about you? It’s encouraging to see someone your age appreciate the band!
How much culture is WhatCulture lacking, that there would be bands from the 70s included that changed their musical palette in the 80s with the increased amount of synthesizers but no mention would be made of Chicago?
There's heaps of bands that done this but 1 that was done by accident was twisted sister they left off their make up and wardrobe due to Dee Snider running late to concert
I’m not saying that they’re at the level of some of these bands but Bring Me The Horizon went from Deathcore to Electro-PopRock-Core (or what ever they wanna call it). Just a shout
Honorable mention: New Order Two things made them famous: the electronic sound/synth work... … and lead bass riffs. In essence New Order ditched Peter Hook and what made them unique.
Korean girl group Girls' Generation ditched the cutesy bubble gum pop that had been their trademark for 3 years & reinvented themselves with a more mature sound.
Confusing ditched with changing musical direction. Many of these bands still play the songs that made them famous, so they have not "ditched". This list would be more accurate if it focused on bands that no longer play a lot of their early material in favor of what they moved on to. Radiohead come close & someone below mentioned Pantera.
Eh, Rush was still proggy as hell even when they were writing 4 minutes synth-based songs. They still had TONS of meter shifts...they just stopped writing 10+ minutes epics and Neil Pearts lyrics became more introspective. Pretty much every metal band stripped their music down around 1990-1992, not just Metallica. Compare Iron Maiden's Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son (1988) and No Prayer For The Dying (1990), Queensrÿche's Operation: Mindcrime (1988) and Empire (1990), Helloween's Keeper Of The Seven Keys (I in 1987, II in 1988) and Pink Bubbles Go Ape (1991), or even Kreator's Coma Of Souls (1990) and Renewal (1992). They burned themselves out trying to outdo what they had done on their previous albums and decided to break their cycles and focus on just writing good hard rock/metal songs rather than technical and progressive bombast. Also, Kiss's stock by 1983 was pretty bad. The combination of the 4 under-performing solo albums, the failed musical-that-never-was "The Elder," and having to finally fire Peter Criss and Ace Frehley (their respective replacements Eric Carr and Vinnie Vincent started their tenures with new characters) meant they needed to start fresh. Their "unmasked" albums brought them back to the mainstream as consistent hitmakers again...so it was more of a gimmick they finally needed to drop to be relevant again (and Gene Simmons is on the record saying that he didn't want Kiss to be the next Beatles, he wanted them to be the next Coca-Cola).
Two people I'd totally kick in the nuts if seen in person are Phil Sellout Collins and Sammy Bandwrecker Hagar. Ugh. Genesis was good up until Abacab. Oh and a breeze block to the head for Bone oh
I don't even care; Genesis was way better with Phil Collins behind the wheel. There's a reason why those albums have blown the Peter Gabriel ones out of the water in terms of sales.
Metallica fans: I don't like their 90s output, it isn't heavy enough or thrashy and they're too polished and not raw enough Also Metallica fans: St. Anger is too raw and chaotic! :( They could have made Master of Puppets 10 times and people would bitch that every album sounds the same, like people do with AC/DC and Slayer. Both are great bands, but they never really stretch away from their comfort zones (and the one time Slayer did, people hated it). And I will fully acknowledge 2 things: 1. Lulu is pretty damn bad (but i appreciate that they took a risk like that) And 2. Yes, I am a Metallica fan boy. Hardcore. I am as gay for Metallica as I am gay for Moleman (who slept with Lars's grandma, fun fact).
I do not care for them at all , either, but no need to dis other people's musical tastes. I have never met a person who shares all of my musical tastes, but I have met a lot of good people who share a lot of my tastes, and that is enough for me to love and in 1 case marry them :-)
One eighty two, not one eight two. When you don't even know the name of the band people will think you have no idea what you are talking about. Like me, you have no idea what you are talking about!
Guns n Roses also ditched what made them famous: all their members...
I felt that one
Lol
80s Genesis still had lots of proggy elements and they are phenomenal.
The thing you young people don't know about KISS is by the early 80's their career was in dire straits in America.They had were so over exposed and played out by the end of the 70's the public was sick of them.Their fans had turned on them because they were now viewed a s a band for children with all the toys and mass merchandising they did. They had lost all credibility especially after having a disco hit. Some say it was an act of desperation but taking the make up off not only gained them new publicity when they were now considered irrelevant,. It worked and it now became safe to be a KISS fan again because they were now more adult and got a whole new fan base and became contemporary again. The decade plus that followed also helped the legend of the make up years grow and when they put it back on it blew up into a massive success and now(with a few exceptions LOL) they're doing it right.
In 1973, Queen proudly proclaimed on their debut album that "No-one played synthesizer." Their next six albums, through 1978's Jazz, all made the same statement, signifying the band's sheer talent at creating unusual sounds using only piano, guitar, bass, drums, and vocals (and the odd harpsichord and electric piano).
Then came Queen's most commercially successful album, The Game, in 1980. With this album, the band went for a more pop-driven sound, and for the first time ever, they used a synthesizer while making it. They even proudly proclaimed in the liner notes that it was an Oberheim OBX.
They (and by "they", I mean Freddie Mercury) decided to keep going down this rabbit hole with their next two releases, the "Flash Gordon" soundtrack in 1981, and Hot Space in 1982. Both of these outings proved to be disappointing, even to the point of alienating most of their fan base in the United States. In 1984, Queen released The Works, and with it came a new direction of being able to blend in keyboards, while restoring and maintaining their core rock sound. By 1991, fans saw a new maturity in Queen's sound and they started to buy their records again. Unfortunately, Freddie Mercury's death late that year put an abrupt end to what likely would have been a literal Queen Renaissance.
Also, the Black Eyed Peas used to make good music. Then they decided to make pop teen radio friendly crap.
No they ditched Fergie. They weren't popular until she joined and they're not popular now she isn't there
I'm not talking about popularity. I'm talking about the quality of the music they recorded. Listen to their older work and compare it to their more recent songs.
I really liked them before Fergie. They actually had something to say.
I really thought Linkin Park would be on here. If One More Light was the first album you listened from them, you'd have no idea that they started out nu-metal.
Other than Lamb Lies Down On Broadway, Tony Banks actually determined the direction of Genesis from the beginning through their more pop oriented latter days.
I feel like Pantera should be been given a mention here, if only a small one, given that they began as a glam metal/cock rock group, but one who became the defining characteristic of what "METAL" was in the 90s and early 2000s. No other band, since their prevail, has been copied quite so much.
But they didn't become famous as a glam metal act
I know. They didn't get REALLY FAMOUS until AFTER they dropped the cheesy act. Which is exactly why I said they deserved a nod. Thank you for noticing. 🤘🤣💥🤛⬅️🤬
@@overdsemedia yeah but that goes against the title of the video. That's why I think that genesis being on the video was wrong. I mean, they became sort of known with gabriel, but to a really little audience
@@PiggyVanHausen, Gabriel WHO?!
@@overdsemedia peter gabriel, the original singer from genesis
Is that what they were called in England, Blink 1 8 2 ?, in the states it was 182
Like "one-eighty-two"? Or "eighteen-two"? Does anyone really know?
@@MosoKaiser yes, it's the first one
It's One Eighty Two.
The 182 comes from a movie called Turk 182...in the movie it was pronounced one eighty two.
In case you care...the 182 was added to their name because the name Blink was already being used by a different band
David Bowie? He reinvented himself all the time. And the video for 'Time Stands Still' is one of the worst of the 80s and that's saying something.
Yeah, but the reinvention thing was kinda the thing that actually made him famous. So doing it over and over again was basically just sticking with what he was known for.
@@TH3F4LC0Nx I was thinking the same thing. If he started repeating himself, we'd all be so confused we'd get stuck in the irony loop.
I need to hear more Bowie. he was a creative madman lol.
And the video for Time Stand Still was trash, but the song is awesome
Achtung Baby is the album that really got me in to U2. "Mysterious Ways" always gets turned all the way up when it comes on.
@Lowa Case I cannot disagree on that point.
Um, Genesis is a bad example. You got it backwards. They were (by your own admission) a niche prog band. Their pop sound MADE them famous.
The way he says blink 182 Hurts
It’s how it should be said
The Beach Boys 'Pet Sounds' was a big diversion from their previous surfer boy albums. With such songs as 'Wouldn't It Be Nice' and 'God Only Knows', it was their best album and inspired countless other bands at the time, such as the Beatles, who crafted Sgt. Peppers afterwards. Music itself was changed by the spark that this album created. Unfortunately, some of the Beach Boys did not have faith in the path they started down and their follow up project, 'Smile', was halted during production and they never really got to reap the rewards of their experimentation.
My problem with Metallica was the shift in sound quality. The albums went from sounding like they were recorded in a studio, to sounding like they were recorded in a bathroom.
Mastered by Muppets
I listened in the bathroom, so I never noticed.
Ministry should be on here. A lot o their metal fans have no clue that in the 80's they were a new wave dance synth pop band and had some hits. Think about this: They were opening for Culture Club in '84 then 35 years later touring with Slayer!
I was almost about to say "you fergot Fleetwood Mac" but then, I thought, to call pre-1975 Mac "famous" would really be pushing it.
They were pretty huge in Peter Green years, however stuff with Bob Welch was quite overlooked.
Progression is the key word here.
Is it me or Phil Collins looks a bit like Adam Clery at 2:06 ??
Genesis kept the Prog there even when the Pop came in. Songs like Home by the Sea, Domino, Do the Neurotic, Dreaming While You Sleep to name a few. A lot of the Pop also came from Mike Rutherford.
Also Load was what got me into Metallica :)
Took me 20 years to accept that the Phil Collins version of Genesis were actually a damn good band.
Go's-Go"s and Jefferson Starship
You forgot Van Halen, when they ditched DLR and Eddie's guitar and brought in Sammy Hagar and Journey's synths.
There were Journey's synths on 1984 when DLR was still in the band.
Eddie Van Halen wanted to do keyboards and synths
And they had Gary Sherone sing David Lee Roth and Sammy Hagar songs for a little while. Lol
Keynote: “Jump” (1984)
VERY SYNTH HEAVY
"Blink One-Eight-Two" lol
Genesis didn't immediately change direction when Gabriel left. I'd doubt they regretted the eventual change either with the success it brought them. Their pop songs, for the most part, were still smart, quality songs. Most of the silly, cheesy pop stuff was reserved for Collins' and Rutherford's projects away from the band....but they also put some some high quality stuff on their own as well.
As a Metallica fan, I love the Black album. But I hate Load and Reload
Same
I like Load a lot, but Reload is where the bottoming out started. There's only like 2 songs on that thing I can even name.
@@TH3F4LC0Nx yeahi think reload is worse then st anger
Load is what got me into Metallica. Though you could easily turn Load and Reload into a single great album with a couple of great songs left over
They are ok
Not sure about the Radiohead commentary. Maybe it was different in the UK (and I realize that's their home market), but in the US, they lost a lot of fans with Kid A and afterwards. I used to know a bunch of people who were into them (and I was too), but now I don't think I know a single person who will actually admit to liking them, or the solo stuff for that matter.
Pearl Jam changed from vs. to vitalogy, then changed drastically for no code, then changed again for yield, then drastically again for binaural, then again for riot act, and so on and so on...
That’s what makes them my favorite band of all time
redycube Agreed. “Future Days” was my (our) wedding song. So good!
Tim Proctor I’m only 15 but once I get married later on I want future days or just breathe to be my wedding song. I love both of those so much. This year I took piano class in school and we had to pick a solo piece to play and I picked future days, it’s such a great song.
redycube it really is. Another good live song is Thin Air from Binaural. My other favorite is Present Tense from No Code. I picked that as a song I’d want played at my funeral for a class assignment once. It’s really uplifting. My favorites for just putting me in a great mood are Faithfull from Yield (their best song in my opinion) and Amongst the Waves from the self titled Avocado album. How about you? It’s encouraging to see someone your age appreciate the band!
*love song, not live song🙄
How much culture is WhatCulture lacking, that there would be bands from the 70s included that changed their musical palette in the 80s with the increased amount of synthesizers but no mention would be made of Chicago?
How about the Beatles... From boy band to drug ballads
That is Blink - One Eighty Two
There's heaps of bands that done this but 1 that was done by accident was twisted sister they left off their make up and wardrobe due to Dee Snider running late to concert
Kiss without make-up produced some their best music (though, not as big of hits).
I’m not saying that they’re at the level of some of these bands but Bring Me The Horizon went from Deathcore to Electro-PopRock-Core (or what ever they wanna call it). Just a shout
Honorable mention: New Order
Two things made them famous: the electronic sound/synth work...
… and lead bass riffs.
In essence New Order ditched Peter Hook and what made them unique.
Well, the big shift was due to Ian Curtis's suicide. No disrespect, I LOVE both bands. And "Crystal" is a great later period New Order song :-)
I dug the list but figured the Beatles and bowie would be there. Still great tho!
To be fair, Peter Gabriel went in the same direction as Genesis did after he left.
Korean girl group Girls' Generation ditched the cutesy bubble gum pop that had been their trademark for 3 years & reinvented themselves with a more mature sound.
Confusing ditched with changing musical direction. Many of these bands still play the songs that made them famous, so they have not "ditched". This list would be more accurate if it focused on bands that no longer play a lot of their early material in favor of what they moved on to. Radiohead come close & someone below mentioned Pantera.
Eh, Rush was still proggy as hell even when they were writing 4 minutes synth-based songs. They still had TONS of meter shifts...they just stopped writing 10+ minutes epics and Neil Pearts lyrics became more introspective.
Pretty much every metal band stripped their music down around 1990-1992, not just Metallica. Compare Iron Maiden's Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son (1988) and No Prayer For The Dying (1990), Queensrÿche's Operation: Mindcrime (1988) and Empire (1990), Helloween's Keeper Of The Seven Keys (I in 1987, II in 1988) and Pink Bubbles Go Ape (1991), or even Kreator's Coma Of Souls (1990) and Renewal (1992). They burned themselves out trying to outdo what they had done on their previous albums and decided to break their cycles and focus on just writing good hard rock/metal songs rather than technical and progressive bombast.
Also, Kiss's stock by 1983 was pretty bad. The combination of the 4 under-performing solo albums, the failed musical-that-never-was "The Elder," and having to finally fire Peter Criss and Ace Frehley (their respective replacements Eric Carr and Vinnie Vincent started their tenures with new characters) meant they needed to start fresh. Their "unmasked" albums brought them back to the mainstream as consistent hitmakers again...so it was more of a gimmick they finally needed to drop to be relevant again (and Gene Simmons is on the record saying that he didn't want Kiss to be the next Beatles, he wanted them to be the next Coca-Cola).
Kiss #1? Honestly I don't remember their real faces nor do I care!
Didn't Kiss send photos of themselves out of face make up to some competition winners and someone sent the photos to the press who published them.
the blueprint for all thrash going forward? Y'all just gonna ignore the German thrash scene like that?
Genesis actually got more famous for their '80s pop rock stuff than their '70s prog stuff.
And I don't think they would have made the RR Hall of Fame if they kept the prog-rock sound.
Well, lack of Bowie is strange.
Chicago all but dropped their horns and political anthems which defined their sound in the 60s and 70s.
Two people I'd totally kick in the nuts if seen in person are Phil Sellout Collins and Sammy Bandwrecker Hagar. Ugh. Genesis was good up until Abacab.
Oh and a breeze block to the head for Bone oh
I don't even care; Genesis was way better with Phil Collins behind the wheel. There's a reason why those albums have blown the Peter Gabriel ones out of the water in terms of sales.
I strongly disagree.the Gabriel era was far more creative and interesting. Anything after “and then there were three” is just sub par in my opinion.
Blink One Eight Two?
What about linkin park
Linkin Park should have made this list.
Blink 1-8-2
Ok say it with me now one eighty two
Genesis info was inaccurate.
ngl slightly surprised that the Beatles weren't mentioned
Metallica fans: I don't like their 90s output, it isn't heavy enough or thrashy and they're too polished and not raw enough
Also Metallica fans: St. Anger is too raw and chaotic! :(
They could have made Master of Puppets 10 times and people would bitch that every album sounds the same, like people do with AC/DC and Slayer. Both are great bands, but they never really stretch away from their comfort zones (and the one time Slayer did, people hated it).
And I will fully acknowledge 2 things:
1. Lulu is pretty damn bad (but i appreciate that they took a risk like that)
And
2. Yes, I am a Metallica fan boy. Hardcore. I am as gay for Metallica as I am gay for Moleman (who slept with Lars's grandma, fun fact).
I wish people would stop blowing Radiohead so much. Their music sucks.
I can't stand them. Thom Yorke's voice is like fingernails on a chalkboard.
I do not care for them at all , either, but no need to dis other people's musical tastes. I have never met a person who shares all of my musical tastes, but I have met a lot of good people who share a lot of my tastes, and that is enough for me to love and in 1 case marry them :-)
It drives me nuts when you say Blink 1-8-2. It's Blink one eighty two.
It's Blink One Eighty Two, not one eight two.
one eight two... no sound examples... joke video... why does whatculture bs keep popping up on my youtube!
I will gladly die on this hill, St Anger is one of Metallica's best albums.
One eighty two, not one eight two. When you don't even know the name of the band people will think you have no idea what you are talking about. Like me, you have no idea what you are talking about!