One of the best showcases of this game I've seen anyone do 👍 I appreciate you! First 5 minutes you go over two things that so many TH-camrs gloss over: 1) the permanent trait from leaders, and 2) your support level is basically your health. Such a great overview for your audience, thank you! Personally I love space opening and think it's one of the easiest ones. You saw yourself how busted it became when you had so much trade early 😁
The starting draws were very common. You always got at least 3 tritium reactors during the first couple of turns and a fourth building from the energy list soon after. At least before the last patch. Now the second-round event doesn't offer a reactor anymore, which is a huge blow. What was super lucky is the massive amount of tritium spots near the starting location and the leader to mine even more tritium. I was biting my nails for Potato to finally explore&settle the big crystal spot during that start though^^
Hey, just wanted to point out that you might be undervaluing Skyscrapers. The base -3 support does seem rough, but they have two pop located in a single location, and buildings that provide adjacency support provide it based on population, not the tile, so Skyscrapers actually double the support bonus, meaning they scale VERY well into the mid to late game.
When you showed off Plan B: Terraform and you had this game in that video’s title i had accidentally bought the wrong game and gotten this one by mistake 😂 love seeing you try out different strategy games
This feels a lot like an expanded single player version of Terraforming Mars. Certainly the desire to get more and more cards even if you will never play them fits lol.
I bought this game... last year? 2021? It's hard to remember... on your recommendation. Good to see you returning to it after many, many updates were made.
I do really like this game, it's janky but in a cool way. The biggest problem is that the game suffers from a weird inverse difficulty curve. Once you get an engine going and start boosting your global comfort, you probably aren't going to lose but it might take a long time to actually "win". Incidentally: robots and transport buildings (road pavers, busses, hyperloops) are absolutely huge. The other issue is that there are a ton of projects that are, frankly, completely fucking useless. By the time you have cities taking advantage of liquid oceans, the game's basically already done and you are looking for whatever you need to finish the game. Just my thoughts.
But that is why you are playing on higher difficulties its actually really good system, in some games it might be OP; but i many its actually quite good and balanced, in Terraformers is very well balanced for the most part some leaders are really OP and it doesnt make it fun playing on anything below Utopia after specific point, yet Utopia is not really fun if you are constantly getting meteors and and bad cards. As for projects, again 90% are quite useful the higher difficulty you go; however you cant really pay for them without good leader and focusing on 2/3 cities instead of 5+ until you get surplus of resources to spend on some expensive projects and enough trade routs to do so in 2/3 turns quite hard when playing small, that is why you are playing on Utopia to begin with you need to make right choice and sometimes right choice is going for things that dont look good, 3 projects for 10 per turn support can get you through early game Utopia with ease that is if you have good cities. Game is quite balanced and you can win without oceans on utopia+ and above it literally impossible you lose support too fast to ignore having already terraformed planet to 2nd stage by mid game radiation is crazy even in early game, so atmosphere is priority and oxygen obviously comfort of living is 2nd most important thing to not lose game while not wasting space on building such buildings, temperature comes 3rd same reason, but when to have more control over where to spread bacteria viable strategy is to prepare some location for new city to start with good support before late game, and ocean level obviously to spread more plants before you git park of -200 support in mid game which is after 20/25 turns maybe more depends. But yea some projects are waste of time unless you can do them in 2 turns, projects that give support or ocean level are good because its saving you trouble later when its too late, and some random event such as meteor when you have to deal with it, but you also have no ocean level and now you have no resources to change that and you cant spread plants for next 20+ turns literally wasting time with 50% of failing after few turns while support is dropping each turn more and more and no way of fixing it OCEAN is quite important early especially if you get leaders that give free bacteria and such each turn you snowball it and you have stage 2 on all four by turn 40 when mid game ends.
I've been playing a lot of terraforming mars tabletop, love that game, so this looks just right up my alley, just wish the actual buildings and cities had a bit more detail to them, something more simcity-ish instead of a png over a background, everything else looks amazing
I’ve been wondering why I find all games videos by potatoe except civ super annoying - this one makes it clear! It’s such a technical approach to explaining a game that drowns me in details but does not give any room to the big picture. My brain is just not made for this kind of information and my motivation to try out the games suffers when I lack the abstract concept .
Did not expect to see this pop up, but sure enough, there is now a fresh copy of it in my library. If anyone needs me, I'll be playing "Against the Storm - Mars Edition."
I literally never even look at the other leaders when Dejah is an option. Cheap support, free resources to the most powerful projects (the space ones) and an Edgar Rice Burroughs reference. Sorry, Arthur, you just gonna have to put in a yellow sweater and keep clenching that robot fist ✊
5:45 Coming from someone that's beaten the second hardest difficulty (and was too bored to actually play through again on the hardest), I can say with confidence that you're better off being greedy and just getting the extra power generation. While it's true you need tritium for your space project, you can get more from the adjacent tiles on top of what you're generating. By going for either of the other options (especially the one that needs water), you'll have to wait at least a couple turns before you can actually build it and get value from the card. Until then, both the tritium in your inventory and the card will be wasted.
You can survive pretty steep negative support income fairly comfortably. I think it's worth ignoring it to focus on other parts of your economy for a while and keeping support up by gaining decent amounts from exploration, terraforming and spreading new lifeforms.
Enjoy this game quite a bit, it's definitely addictive but I wish it had more depth. Every game you need to do the same thing in order to win- expand, collect all the resources, and terraform. There's different victory conditions but they all end up playing out the same. The only difference is how lucky you get with getting synergistic cards and leaders. For example for the science-focused victory you need to spend science and explore locations which are two things you're going to be doing every game anyways. Science is just another resource you can produce or trade for and you need to explore to make new cities and gather more resources. You might be able to get away with not terraforming on earlier difficulties, but on harder ones it's impossible to keep support high enough to win without doing so.
Why does every single youtuber panic over -6 support with 2000 in the bank? "Oh no, i only have 100 turns left, i'm basically losing unless i beeline happyness production!" I want to see someone play the hardest difficulty where having -400 happyness with 500 in reserve is considered good.
34:50 My anxiety was higher than it shoulda been, waiting for Tater to repair that building lmao This game looks pretty rad and gonna add it to my Steam wishlist Edit: Belay my last. It was on a midweek sale for $13.99, so I just straight up bought the game 😂
1:20 Maybe an additional explanantion. If you have done well enough (more than 50 points), than you can chose a random start. Otherwise you can only chose balanced.
No idea why the Magnetosphere is optional lol. You can introduce plants and even animals like deer, but without a strong magnosphere, you are going to have to cake all of them in a cute little suit that is going to make eating, drinking and mating quite a challenge for these instinctual creatures i reckon.
This game is very ok. The problem is there's really only so much diversity you can really do and you'll find yourself repeating patterns over and over again.
Just started watching this and Thomas is horrible. He looks like a random chad and will probably find a way to bankrupt you. OTOH Lena is incredible, has great hair and will only bankrupt you if you're terrible. Lena all the way.
Picked up this game a couple of months ago and I was thinking it would be something you'd like too! I'd like a bit more content for it but it's a neat game to kill some time with.
"Tritium mine"? That stuff has a half life of 12 years, the only way you can mine it is if there are large deposits of radioactive lithium which haven't decayed, and that seems unlikely Looks like an interesting game other than that
Hey Potato, any chance that there will be a new Against the Storm vid since they recently updated their world-map system and gave players an end-game system to work towards beyond just increased difficulty levels?
@@PotatoMcWhiskey I'm looking forward to it and am glad someone else asked before I could! I also bought Against the Storm on your rec, and watched (and enjoyed) a Pravus' videos as well, which he credited you for getting him into it. It, much like Terraformers, has come a long way since your last series!
Why do you not upload videos of you trying the game out for the first time and then do a showcase? Maybe have a playlist of episodes of you trying the game and then a separate video of you showcasing it? I suppose you want to see if the game is good enough to make a video about, but I personally always like seeing someone's journey from noob to expert and maybe even playing alongside, rather than just diving in to an expert level gameplay, but that's just personal preference I suppose.
@@PotatoMcWhiskey Ah damn, my bad 🤣. After doing some better searching I now see that there is a livestream from over a year ago. Originally when I looked around I only saw that other Terraforming Mars game, which is absolutely not confusing at all 🤣
Amazing game and amazing concept no doubts, however i wish that it had more depth it feels like playing table-top game nothing bad with it, just game like this should have much more depth and mechanics. Whats also good is how everything fits good and plays well, unlock system is also good addition the better tools you unlock the higher difficulty you play and so on, really nice addition.
Game looks fun but for a game about terraforming the planet, it feels unsatisfying to not see all stages of terraforming get maxed out and see what a fully-transformed mars looks like
One of the best showcases of this game I've seen anyone do 👍 I appreciate you! First 5 minutes you go over two things that so many TH-camrs gloss over: 1) the permanent trait from leaders, and 2) your support level is basically your health. Such a great overview for your audience, thank you!
Personally I love space opening and think it's one of the easiest ones. You saw yourself how busted it became when you had so much trade early 😁
the triple tritium generators and resonance was an amazing start because you also had so many trade routes to just turn electricity into any resource
The starting draws were very common. You always got at least 3 tritium reactors during the first couple of turns and a fourth building from the energy list soon after. At least before the last patch. Now the second-round event doesn't offer a reactor anymore, which is a huge blow.
What was super lucky is the massive amount of tritium spots near the starting location and the leader to mine even more tritium.
I was biting my nails for Potato to finally explore&settle the big crystal spot during that start though^^
Hey, just wanted to point out that you might be undervaluing Skyscrapers. The base -3 support does seem rough, but they have two pop located in a single location, and buildings that provide adjacency support provide it based on population, not the tile, so Skyscrapers actually double the support bonus, meaning they scale VERY well into the mid to late game.
When you showed off Plan B: Terraform and you had this game in that video’s title i had accidentally bought the wrong game and gotten this one by mistake 😂 love seeing you try out different strategy games
This feels a lot like an expanded single player version of Terraforming Mars. Certainly the desire to get more and more cards even if you will never play them fits lol.
Well, thank you for reminding me I own this game. It's hella fun
I like these kinds of full playthroughs, thank you for a fantastic video.
Haha that Henry Carnegie description (and even his name) is hilarious. He's exporting his excessive GHG pollution to Mars 😄
Ahh, the lovely potato man returns to give me dose of OCD, turnbased serotonin
i love the potato man
this game looks neat! love the idea of henry carnegie importing co2 to mars thats some funny stuff
What a great let's play, went and bought the game myself
I played up to insane difficulty on several categories, enjoyed the game, glad you played it!
Terraforming one is the most fun I think
just bought this game on sale lol Def needed this video thanks
Really interesting game. Hope you play more of it!
I gave this game a shot since it seemed super fun based on your video and I love it! Thanks for doing a video or I might never have found it!
I bought this game... last year? 2021? It's hard to remember... on your recommendation. Good to see you returning to it after many, many updates were made.
I'd love to see you do more of this game!
I think its funny that for a game about terraforming mars, most of your population lives under ground or on the moons of mars. Lol!
"spray bacteria is good, i like it" never thought i will agree on that but
I do really like this game, it's janky but in a cool way.
The biggest problem is that the game suffers from a weird inverse difficulty curve. Once you get an engine going and start boosting your global comfort, you probably aren't going to lose but it might take a long time to actually "win". Incidentally: robots and transport buildings (road pavers, busses, hyperloops) are absolutely huge.
The other issue is that there are a ton of projects that are, frankly, completely fucking useless. By the time you have cities taking advantage of liquid oceans, the game's basically already done and you are looking for whatever you need to finish the game.
Just my thoughts.
But that is why you are playing on higher difficulties its actually really good system, in some games it might be OP; but i many its actually quite good and balanced, in Terraformers is very well balanced for the most part some leaders are really OP and it doesnt make it fun playing on anything below Utopia after specific point, yet Utopia is not really fun if you are constantly getting meteors and and bad cards.
As for projects, again 90% are quite useful the higher difficulty you go; however you cant really pay for them without good leader and focusing on 2/3 cities instead of 5+ until you get surplus of resources to spend on some expensive projects and enough trade routs to do so in 2/3 turns quite hard when playing small, that is why you are playing on Utopia to begin with you need to make right choice and sometimes right choice is going for things that dont look good, 3 projects for 10 per turn support can get you through early game Utopia with ease that is if you have good cities. Game is quite balanced and you can win without oceans on utopia+ and above it literally impossible you lose support too fast to ignore having already terraformed planet to 2nd stage by mid game radiation is crazy even in early game, so atmosphere is priority and oxygen obviously comfort of living is 2nd most important thing to not lose game while not wasting space on building such buildings, temperature comes 3rd same reason, but when to have more control over where to spread bacteria viable strategy is to prepare some location for new city to start with good support before late game, and ocean level obviously to spread more plants before you git park of -200 support in mid game which is after 20/25 turns maybe more depends.
But yea some projects are waste of time unless you can do them in 2 turns, projects that give support or ocean level are good because its saving you trouble later when its too late, and some random event such as meteor when you have to deal with it, but you also have no ocean level and now you have no resources to change that and you cant spread plants for next 20+ turns literally wasting time with 50% of failing after few turns while support is dropping each turn more and more and no way of fixing it OCEAN is quite important early especially if you get leaders that give free bacteria and such each turn you snowball it and you have stage 2 on all four by turn 40 when mid game ends.
my biggest problem is when i just had 20 turns with no farms
The game has had 2 updates from the version Potato is playing. 1.1.16 and 1.1.26.
The Carnegie guy being focused around global warming is a funny reference
I've been playing a lot of terraforming mars tabletop, love that game, so this looks just right up my alley, just wish the actual buildings and cities had a bit more detail to them, something more simcity-ish instead of a png over a background, everything else looks amazing
The Potato McWhiskey curse strikes again and I'm now £12.59 poorer
pretty crazy how detailed this game is, nice LP potato! Sadly i got too many games to play at the moment though :D
I’ve been wondering why I find all games videos by potatoe except civ super annoying - this one makes it clear! It’s such a technical approach to explaining a game that drowns me in details but does not give any room to the big picture. My brain is just not made for this kind of information and my motivation to try out the games suffers when I lack the abstract concept .
Did not expect to see this pop up, but sure enough, there is now a fresh copy of it in my library. If anyone needs me, I'll be playing "Against the Storm - Mars Edition."
Started playing “SpacewardHo” in the late 80’… very similar in their premise. Gotta check this out, thank you!
I literally never even look at the other leaders when Dejah is an option. Cheap support, free resources to the most powerful projects (the space ones) and an Edgar Rice Burroughs reference. Sorry, Arthur, you just gonna have to put in a yellow sweater and keep clenching that robot fist ✊
Carnegie, expert in global warming. Second only to Rockefeller.
Sounds like civilization beyond earth would be a great game for you!
"Righty tighty whitey lighty. Doodly boops scoodly poop.' Witness the birth of the Marian language.
5:45 Coming from someone that's beaten the second hardest difficulty (and was too bored to actually play through again on the hardest), I can say with confidence that you're better off being greedy and just getting the extra power generation.
While it's true you need tritium for your space project, you can get more from the adjacent tiles on top of what you're generating. By going for either of the other options (especially the one that needs water), you'll have to wait at least a couple turns before you can actually build it and get value from the card. Until then, both the tritium in your inventory and the card will be wasted.
perfect timing, i just got this game last week
You can survive pretty steep negative support income fairly comfortably. I think it's worth ignoring it to focus on other parts of your economy for a while and keeping support up by gaining decent amounts from exploration, terraforming and spreading new lifeforms.
Enjoy this game quite a bit, it's definitely addictive but I wish it had more depth. Every game you need to do the same thing in order to win- expand, collect all the resources, and terraform. There's different victory conditions but they all end up playing out the same. The only difference is how lucky you get with getting synergistic cards and leaders. For example for the science-focused victory you need to spend science and explore locations which are two things you're going to be doing every game anyways. Science is just another resource you can produce or trade for and you need to explore to make new cities and gather more resources. You might be able to get away with not terraforming on earlier difficulties, but on harder ones it's impossible to keep support high enough to win without doing so.
If you like this, try the board game Terraforming Mars. It is my favorite board game of all time and I highly recommend it
I love that game so much. My family and I play it all the time
The digital version is also pretty good
Why does every single youtuber panic over -6 support with 2000 in the bank? "Oh no, i only have 100 turns left, i'm basically losing unless i beeline happyness production!"
I want to see someone play the hardest difficulty where having -400 happyness with 500 in reserve is considered good.
34:50 My anxiety was higher than it shoulda been, waiting for Tater to repair that building lmao This game looks pretty rad and gonna add it to my Steam wishlist
Edit: Belay my last. It was on a midweek sale for $13.99, so I just straight up bought the game 😂
Hungarian name on the first character! I feel so represented lol.
1:20 Maybe an additional explanantion. If you have done well enough (more than 50 points), than you can chose a random start. Otherwise you can only chose balanced.
A great game, really enjoy all the play through I have done of this.
No train station on Phobos is probably a good call.
Game just released on Switch and it seems super fun, great controls too
should've named it Terraformars
No idea why the Magnetosphere is optional lol. You can introduce plants and even animals like deer, but without a strong magnosphere, you are going to have to cake all of them in a cute little suit that is going to make eating, drinking and mating quite a challenge for these instinctual creatures i reckon.
More please 👍
This game is very ok. The problem is there's really only so much diversity you can really do and you'll find yourself repeating patterns over and over again.
Holy shit. I watched this a 0.75 speed. 👌loved it.
I was not expecting a Hungarian leader!
Léna Kertész is a Hungarian name, 'Kertész' means gardener. I have no clue why would they make her a culture expert
I think it's just a name in this case
"smith" is a common last name but I wouldn't wonder why anyone with that last name isn't a blacksmith
Kinda sad to see the game end just when it felt like it got rolling. Would have liked to see the terraforming hit the maximum :(
Going into this i have one thought.
I'm about to be getting a new game?
This game seems pretty cool, but it was hard to follow how it works. A deep dive let's play would be really cool!
Wow, this game looks like a lot of fun!
I was right, this game was a lot of fun! Thanks for introducing me to it!
Just started watching this and Thomas is horrible. He looks like a random chad and will probably find a way to bankrupt you. OTOH Lena is incredible, has great hair and will only bankrupt you if you're terrible. Lena all the way.
potato PLEASE i need to work I cant be playing new games you upload about
JK I love it please continue :)
Picked up this game a couple of months ago and I was thinking it would be something you'd like too! I'd like a bit more content for it but it's a neat game to kill some time with.
"Tritium mine"? That stuff has a half life of 12 years, the only way you can mine it is if there are large deposits of radioactive lithium which haven't decayed, and that seems unlikely
Looks like an interesting game other than that
it's my duty to mention that the first leader right of the bat has a hungarian name
"I better start venting my mines"
1st time anyone has said that, ever
Hey Potato, any chance that there will be a new Against the Storm vid since they recently updated their world-map system and gave players an end-game system to work towards beyond just increased difficulty levels?
Hopefully soon!
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@@PotatoMcWhiskey I'm looking forward to it and am glad someone else asked before I could! I also bought Against the Storm on your rec, and watched (and enjoyed) a Pravus' videos as well, which he credited you for getting him into it. It, much like Terraformers, has come a long way since your last series!
Super exciting, looking forward to your updated take
Also I love your videos
Why do you not upload videos of you trying the game out for the first time and then do a showcase? Maybe have a playlist of episodes of you trying the game and then a separate video of you showcasing it? I suppose you want to see if the game is good enough to make a video about, but I personally always like seeing someone's journey from noob to expert and maybe even playing alongside, rather than just diving in to an expert level gameplay, but that's just personal preference I suppose.
I did you just missed that video/livestream!
@@PotatoMcWhiskey Ah damn, my bad 🤣. After doing some better searching I now see that there is a livestream from over a year ago. Originally when I looked around I only saw that other Terraforming Mars game, which is absolutely not confusing at all 🤣
More please
I am trying to think of a similar game, and the best comparison I can come up with is "Settlers of Catan".
Hey can you make more videos about this game?
Have you ever played Slipways? It has very similar vibe
space start is best.
Nice
The free demo was too easy even on the hardest mode. How does the full game difficulty change as you progress?
watching the science buildings go down on the planet when you had all those sweet locations on deimos 😬
Not sure if I missed or I'm just stupid but what does exporting a Ressource do?
Allow you to import another
So its like Terraforming Mars ++?
Any civ content coming?
Yes
Amazing game and amazing concept no doubts, however i wish that it had more depth it feels like playing table-top game nothing bad with it, just game like this should have much more depth and mechanics. Whats also good is how everything fits good and plays well, unlock system is also good addition the better tools you unlock the higher difficulty you play and so on, really nice addition.
Have you quitted playing civ6?
No
Game looks fun but for a game about terraforming the planet, it feels unsatisfying to not see all stages of terraforming get maxed out and see what a fully-transformed mars looks like
When you play on higher difficulties you fully terraform Mars
I got to this and it has 420 likes... I have to ruin it though and give it 421 likes...
Looks like mobile game
First
First?
Not getting Penguins. How strange.
But a delightful game to see, definitely has me putting it on my buy list.