I'm heading to Austin, TX for a few days so I've got the next batch of episodes recorded and ready to go! There's some neat stuff coming! Thanks for all the advice, and continued viewing! I'm still enjoying this game a ton!
So Christine is possibly the most cracked non-secret character in the game, because she has an absolutely insane base cooldown reduction. Her alternate sprite by the way is an obvious Sailor Moon reference, naturally because her starting weapon, the pentagram, evolves into Gorgeous Moon.
Not as far i know. we have vampire BATS probably but no Vampires.....yet. We had DEATH and their final form as a final boss, and now we got Onni demons.
The DLC map is like 8x the size of any other map. it's HUGE. And monsters spawn depending on which area you are in, the monsters you fight in one area might not even show up if you are in another area, like the trolls that inhabit the caves don't spawn elsewhere. There is for example a meadow where every enemy drops a red gem, but the monsters have more health when in the meadow. A lot of interesting things happen in Mt Moonspell
I mean... I feel like most people is of "that kind"... I know probably I would!!! 🤣 He seems to do pretty well in videogames though, so far so awesome, even if unintentionally (which just makes it even better!!!).
Nice that you didn't pick up Mad Groove here. This level is definitely worth exploring to understand all the differences between the areas. What an ending, too.
well done! I'm glad you ackowledged Empty Tome's power! It was killing me ahah! Ps: the Tragic Princess arcana is EXTREMELY good with La Borra, Lightning Ring and Garlic! Cooldown IS the best stat in Vampire Survivor. Always!
@Christopherodd - Here's a tip about chests and evolutions, since you were surprised you got evolution at 9min mark. Whether or not chest evolves your weapon depends on the monster that drops it - some have a flag "drops evo chest", others dont. In most cases, these monsters spawn after 10th minute mark - but there are some cases when they can spawn earlier, for example mt moonspell, or that tree/flower map. There's also other factors that can affect it. For most players, its too complex to matter, so just use the logic of "99% of time it will be 10th minute onwards".
Damn, what an episode!!! I'm surprised you actually managed to get everything on your first time through!! Also when the opera singer kicked in I was like... what in the Dark Souls?? lmao
Read the Gold Fever arcana again, it heals you. Consider again the arcana that doubles healing, you seem to miss that it also deals the same damage back to enemies that you healed. When picked together its not uncommon for the healing arcana do do more damage than any of your weapons due to this synergy.
You already know which passive upgrades the night sword, it's listed on page 2 of the grimoire. I also see you have pre-recorded a bunch of these, so you might already know.
I have to thank you Mr Odd. I have played this level *a lot* and this is by far the most I have ever seen of it because I always take Mad Groove. It's funny how these videos have taken on a new tone because you know how to play the game now.
I hope you get the blood astronomia arcana unlocked in your batched episodes you've done up. I feel like that'll play great into your playstyle, as it gives you some damage with laurel, lancet, and pentagram, and it buffs already strong weapons like song of mana.
Man, this episode was awesome! When you first started this series I didn't realize you HAD the DLC, so I was sad you were gonna miss out on all the content. Can't wait for you to see all the cool stuff it has to offer!
I still wonder how he hasn't noticed the the Arcana that pulls everything in is the green background with the tree on it he uses it so much you would think he would remember lol
Seems like you picked the perfect character for that first run! the pentagram owned! You would of died so many times without it. Sick run btw! Also would you mind looking through the bestiary on one video so we can where you are!
Damn i would love to see you do a forcefield build. Evolved garlic, evolved bible, evolved axe, evolved guns, evolved song of mana and evolved lightning ring.
I was worried for a second there seeing how challenging the map could get... Then a I realized what a monstruos build you end up making and I felt silly for worrying at all. 🤣 Btw, that DLC content seems absolutly interesting, if you keep pumping more of this I bet pretty much everyone would enjoy it!!!! 😁
Can always count on these to get me through my lunch break🤪 I know you said the next episodes are recorded already but I’m hoping you realized you can pick up more than 6 weapons! (I.e. the night sword on the map)
B4 you start using the re-rolls. I would suggest starting with banishing, especially if you are looking for a specific load out. You have to go all in and banish everything that is not part of the build but only on the loot tables where you otherwise don't have a choice. But only banish stuff from the group that you are looking. If you are looking for sub-weapons, banish sub-weapons. If you are looking for main-weapons, banish main-weapons.
I started playing this on Xbox via game pass as I heard alot about it. Did my 1st run and loved it, so bought it and the DLC for just over £4. Great game, simplistic but so much fun and loads of acheivements.
The upgrade timer is map based. Some maps will not drop evolutions before 10 minutes, some will drop them any time. This is not the first time you have gotten an upgrade before 10 minutes. I believe the first 5 normal levels require the 10 minute time.
It is not really time based, it's coded into the enemy that drops it. For example on the very first map the bat that spawns around 1-2 minutes has a chance to drop a chest, that chest can evolve your weapon while the guaranteed chest from the minute 5 boss can't.
@@YojiroX It *is* time based, it's based on the the time the boss spawns - that's why for maps with the 10m restriction, waiting to kill the boss spawned at 9 minutes until after the 10m mark doesn't help. The first boss (the bat) on Mad Forest spawns at exactly 1m btw, not 1-2 minutes.
@@KalChoedan exactly. I just don't know the specifics. But Odd has been getting a lot of conflicting advice on this. It must be super confusing because he has seen elites not give an evolution while he is eligible, but also gotten evolutions before 10 minutes. And some people clearly telling him time doesn't matter at all. Time AND place matter. :)
If only there was a way "banish" items you didn't plan on using early on.... EDIT: it is absolutely worth picking up additional boxes after the first candybox.
There's so much going on in this run that youtube has crashed on my tv 3 times and the video gets all scrambled at times too. I love watching this game though
Ah, another family to join the ranks of vampire survivors. Exploring a new land is exciting, no? A box of candy? Why sure. The choices are near endless. But why stop at one?
Other maps have the same restriction, mostly the original maps. There's also some chests that have restrictions on if they'll give any items or only upgrades to weapons. It's possible on a 1 weapon run to get cash bags in a chest while you have passives that haven't hit cap yet.
You can evolve in the mad forest map from RNG chests that drop as early as the first bat , it's only the mantis at minute 5 that can't evolve your weapon.
@@KalChoedan "It's not RNG - except that the minute 1 bat doesn't always drop a chest." Congratulations on contradicting yourself within the same sentence.
Heavenly Sword (Cross evo) with limit break gave me my best run with the most damage by far. Speed, might, and amount upgrades. Swords teleporting from enemy to enemy so fast and one hit killing them. Just saying... it's a strong upgrade. 😄
You know, you keep saying you don't want to get new things to just focus on what you've got so as to not, like, "clutter up" your pool, but... it kinda works the opposite way. I mean, yeah, when it comes to chests useful drops are more likely with less things. But for level ups, which are far more common than chests, filling your slots ASAP is the better option. When you level you always get 3-4 choices of things, and the pool it pulls from is *everything* in the game, until you fill your slots. Once the slots are all full you're *guaranteed* to get something you have, instead of potentially nothing you want.
@@skaarphy5797 Not really. By guaranteeing something useful on every level up you're increasing how fast you can max everything. It might be a tad slower on getting your first evo, but it's faster on getting them all. And since you can't even get an evo until 10 on most maps it may not even be slower to your first every run.
But you're at the mercy of rng still remember odd hasn't sealed anything so the chances to get a worse build is higher then a good one. Depending on the map ramping up your main source of damage could be the only way to make it farther due to lvl scaling
Yesss this!!!! I always pick out 6 passives asap.. And upgrade em asap.. Sometimes before i have a 2nd or 3rd weapon... All the poweruos from passives make up for missing weapons.. And yes.. I'm always upgrading what i wany, when iwant for the most part... For my weapons itsapl rng forms.. I can beat any map with any set of weapons.. So i welcome randomness on them and i pick whatever i get.. No pickiness
In this episode of "Big Oof", Odd starts off with a strong second weapon pick, but then chooses the worst weapon to rely on at low levels while ignoring all others. He follows that off with throwing away his re-rolls by searching for very specific drops while he has half his slots open, before going off on a jaunt up the mountain. He grabs his first new weapon of the DLC, but in the search for the coffin, runs around in circles in the caves while wondering why he isn't moving to the right. He then chooses to explore the map counter-clockwise in order to find the best route to the top right corner of the map. Thankfully, it all works out in the end with the coffin found in the last minute. Stay tuned for more episodes of Big Oof!
14:50 I left a comment about chests on another video but I will leave it again. Different maps have different rules on chests and which chests can evolve weapons. Some maps you can carry a pre-10 box past 10 and use it to evolve and some you can't. Some will evolve early and others wont. Each map has its own set of rules. This game prides itself on being confusing.
There's really no point in picking up Clover for Penta/Moon, unless you're trying to evolve the Cross as well. Even then, the Cross evolution isn't even good, so there's not much point to picking up Clover. Picking up literally any other item over Clover will give you more value.
Evo chests start dropping at 8 minutes on most maps. Only the shorter maps drop earlier (and a rare chance on the first map for the 3 minute chest to be an evo chest). People keep arguing with me on this, but it's been 8 minutes since the beginning.
It's not surprising that people keep arguing with you because you're mistaken. It's 10 minutes on "most" maps, not 8 - obviously there are a bunch of exceptions as you mention, but for example in the Mad Forest it's the chest that drops at 1 minute which is the exception, not 3 minutes. The 1 minute chest gives a guaranteed evolution, not a rare chance at an evolution, however the chest itself only has a 30% chance to drop at all, and the rest of the time the bat will drop a red gem. The chest that drops at 3 minutes has a 40% chance to drop, but will never give an evolution. This has all been thoroughly tested and is very well documented on the VS wiki. There are also chests at 5 minutes (guaranteed drop), 7 minutes (50% chance to drop) and 9 minutes (also 50% chance to drop) and *none* of these chests can grant an evolution.
@@KalChoedan "It's not surprising that people keep arguing with you because you're mistaken. It's 10 minutes on "most" maps, not 8"yawn... You can test it for yourself, but you'd rather argue. It's been 8 since the beginning, it's still 8. Almost 300 hours invested into VS, with over 20 in the past week alone. But hey, the guy who's been playing since the start and is still playing on a daily basis, he's clearly the one wrong. 🥱 The reason so few people don't realize it's 8 is due to most people not having anything ready to evo by 8 minutes. But if you keep track of the chest dropped at 8 minutes, and wait to use it until you have an evo ready, guess what... It's an evo chest. But don't check that for yourself. Just argue instead. 🙄
I'm really puzzled by your insistence on this. The exact numbers for these things have long since been established and they are thoroughly tested and documented by players who collectively have played the game for thousands of hours more than either of us, over on e.g. the fandom wiki. I too have been playing since the start. It's *always* been 10 minutes. I've got no idea why you think it's 8. If you've been playing as long as you say you have, I'm sure you're also aware just how trivial it is to have all 6 weapons ready to evolve by
@@KalChoedan "I'm really puzzled by your insistence on this." Says the dude who wrote a novel. So I went had a look at the wiki. Turns out we're both wrong. But, amusingly and unsurprisingly, you're more wrong than I was. I have no need to read the inane drivel you've typed up to try to prove you're not wrong, because even without looking at the wiki, you're still wrong. And that's based on the same "thousands of hours" of other people collectively figuring things out. But you believe whatever you want. You're free to be wrong. Evo chests drop before the 8 minute mark on most maps, and that's according to the wiki, which is far more accurate than your make believe crew that you claim "figured this out". Have the day you deserve.
@@skyesfury8511 If you didn't bother reading what I wrote, how can you possibly know if I was wrong? I just told you the same as what's on the wiki, *including* about the chests that can evolve things before 10 minutes, which I mentioned in my very first reply to you. It's not my fault if you've got the attention span of a goldfish.
Odd: weird these enemies are super tanky and I'm struggling too hurt them Also Odd: I'm not going to take any weapons and keep spending upgrades on non combat abilities despite me having the offensive capability of a wet napkin
I mean his starting 2 weapons were penta and song and he lvled em up alot early on.... Tho i wish he did more passive upgrading earlier... Maxing tome first is like THE best strat" in the game.. Honestly.. Santa water at lvl 1 with maxed tome candlestick, and spellbinder is pretty damn good. He had 1 passive...maxed tome with i think 6 in penta and 4 or 5 in song and 1 or 2 in santa.. So overall he did more weapon ups then passives.
I'm heading to Austin, TX for a few days so I've got the next batch of episodes recorded and ready to go! There's some neat stuff coming! Thanks for all the advice, and continued viewing! I'm still enjoying this game a ton!
Neat stuff indeed...
Enjoy your Trip. Just a shame that you did not listen to the OST that came with the DLC. Since its Japanese inspired, it is wonderful.
Ice I live in Houston,TX not to far from Austin.
I'm so sorry you have to go to Tx...
@@jodysgamingchannel9480 Texas is awesome what you talking about.
So Christine is possibly the most cracked non-secret character in the game, because she has an absolutely insane base cooldown reduction. Her alternate sprite by the way is an obvious Sailor Moon reference, naturally because her starting weapon, the pentagram, evolves into Gorgeous Moon.
You know it amazes me we still haven't seen a vampire in this game yet I don't think..
Not as far i know. we have vampire BATS probably but no Vampires.....yet. We had DEATH and their final form as a final boss, and now we got Onni demons.
The DLC map is like 8x the size of any other map. it's HUGE. And monsters spawn depending on which area you are in, the monsters you fight in one area might not even show up if you are in another area, like the trolls that inhabit the caves don't spawn elsewhere. There is for example a meadow where every enemy drops a red gem, but the monsters have more health when in the meadow. A lot of interesting things happen in Mt Moonspell
WAIT SERIOUSLY?! Holy shit.....
37:40 - The loud sound indicates a head on the hydra being destroyed.
Odd is the kinda man who would go in circles and then starve to death in a forest
I mean... I feel like most people is of "that kind"... I know probably I would!!! 🤣
He seems to do pretty well in videogames though, so far so awesome, even if unintentionally (which just makes it even better!!!).
Nice that you didn't pick up Mad Groove here. This level is definitely worth exploring to understand all the differences between the areas. What an ending, too.
well done! I'm glad you ackowledged Empty Tome's power! It was killing me ahah! Ps: the Tragic Princess arcana is EXTREMELY good with La Borra, Lightning Ring and Garlic! Cooldown IS the best stat in Vampire Survivor. Always!
@Christopherodd - Here's a tip about chests and evolutions, since you were surprised you got evolution at 9min mark. Whether or not chest evolves your weapon depends on the monster that drops it - some have a flag "drops evo chest", others dont. In most cases, these monsters spawn after 10th minute mark - but there are some cases when they can spawn earlier, for example mt moonspell, or that tree/flower map. There's also other factors that can affect it.
For most players, its too complex to matter, so just use the logic of "99% of time it will be 10th minute onwards".
Don't think it's 99%. I've had that happen more than 1%.
Damn, what an episode!!! I'm surprised you actually managed to get everything on your first time through!!
Also when the opera singer kicked in I was like... what in the Dark Souls?? lmao
For real that music was so epic made me want to play Dark Souls 2 again
Read the Gold Fever arcana again, it heals you. Consider again the arcana that doubles healing, you seem to miss that it also deals the same damage back to enemies that you healed. When picked together its not uncommon for the healing arcana do do more damage than any of your weapons due to this synergy.
Very nicely done getting all those unlocks on your first run and beating the reaper.
You already know which passive upgrades the night sword, it's listed on page 2 of the grimoire. I also see you have pre-recorded a bunch of these, so you might already know.
Instead of the lancet, you should have picked the GPS. Because you kept circling the same path over and over.
I have to thank you Mr Odd. I have played this level *a lot* and this is by far the most I have ever seen of it because I always take Mad Groove. It's funny how these videos have taken on a new tone because you know how to play the game now.
Glad you acknowledge you can change character skins. And just so happened to play as Sailor Moon on the Japanese map. BTW, Miang likes Garlic.
I hope you get the blood astronomia arcana unlocked in your batched episodes you've done up. I feel like that'll play great into your playstyle, as it gives you some damage with laurel, lancet, and pentagram, and it buffs already strong weapons like song of mana.
It looks like that will be the last arcana he will unlock and it would have helped him the most all this time, haha.
Man, this episode was awesome! When you first started this series I didn't realize you HAD the DLC, so I was sad you were gonna miss out on all the content. Can't wait for you to see all the cool stuff it has to offer!
I still wonder how he hasn't noticed the the Arcana that pulls everything in is the green background with the tree on it he uses it so much you would think he would remember lol
This was a super fun episode to watch. And this map is one of my favorites in the game.
Seems like you picked the perfect character for that first run! the pentagram owned! You would of died so many times without it. Sick run btw! Also would you mind looking through the bestiary on one video so we can where you are!
This is a beautiful level - villages, rice terraces, Torii gates, bamboo forests, mountain paths...
"This just goes in a circle doesn't it. Yeah it does."
Takes path anyways.
He did a full lap of the map just to go right and up.
Damn i would love to see you do a forcefield build. Evolved garlic, evolved bible, evolved axe, evolved guns, evolved song of mana and evolved lightning ring.
I was worried for a second there seeing how challenging the map could get... Then a I realized what a monstruos build you end up making and I felt silly for worrying at all. 🤣
Btw, that DLC content seems absolutly interesting, if you keep pumping more of this I bet pretty much everyone would enjoy it!!!! 😁
Sailor-Moon-ish character in a Japan themed level. Somehow appropriate.
Can always count on these to get me through my lunch break🤪 I know you said the next episodes are recorded already but I’m hoping you realized you can pick up more than 6 weapons! (I.e. the night sword on the map)
Of course, same as items.
@@ChristopherOddY’know it probably would’ve helped if I finished the video huh😅 appreciate you Odd!
I woke up this morning and took my OddPill
B4 you start using the re-rolls.
I would suggest starting with banishing, especially if you are looking for a specific load out.
You have to go all in and banish everything that is not part of the build but only on the loot tables where you otherwise don't have a choice.
But only banish stuff from the group that you are looking.
If you are looking for sub-weapons, banish sub-weapons. If you are looking for main-weapons, banish main-weapons.
Thank you for pre-recording for us! I am looking forward to the uploads every day ❤️
I started playing this on Xbox via game pass as I heard alot about it.
Did my 1st run and loved it, so bought it and the DLC for just over £4.
Great game, simplistic but so much fun and loads of acheivements.
Its on Xbox awesome im going to get it tonight
@@azurephantom100 Go for it, it's fantastic.
This guy is literally obsessed with the Laurel and Clock Lancet.
You are at the point where you should start welcoming curses as that increases the number of enemies and thus more xp.
Cool bit... the enemies are location based. And there''s a kill X number of somethings in the upper left.
Loved this! Just wish Night Sword's sound effects were not that loud hahahaha XD
Ahhh right on time for my fix off odd and the vampire
Thats definitely one of the more interesting aspects of Mt Moonspell, its a actual "lvl" with paths rather then just a mostly open or linier lvl.
The upgrade timer is map based. Some maps will not drop evolutions before 10 minutes, some will drop them any time. This is not the first time you have gotten an upgrade before 10 minutes. I believe the first 5 normal levels require the 10 minute time.
It is not really time based, it's coded into the enemy that drops it. For example on the very first map the bat that spawns around 1-2 minutes has a chance to drop a chest, that chest can evolve your weapon while the guaranteed chest from the minute 5 boss can't.
@@YojiroX It *is* time based, it's based on the the time the boss spawns - that's why for maps with the 10m restriction, waiting to kill the boss spawned at 9 minutes until after the 10m mark doesn't help. The first boss (the bat) on Mad Forest spawns at exactly 1m btw, not 1-2 minutes.
@@KalChoedan exactly. I just don't know the specifics. But Odd has been getting a lot of conflicting advice on this. It must be super confusing because he has seen elites not give an evolution while he is eligible, but also gotten evolutions before 10 minutes. And some people clearly telling him time doesn't matter at all. Time AND place matter. :)
my eyes hurt
I suggest saving re-rolls to get Mad Groove at 11.
THIS WAS SUCH A GOOD EPISODE OMG
If only there was a way "banish" items you didn't plan on using early on.... EDIT: it is absolutely worth picking up additional boxes after the first candybox.
There's so much going on in this run that youtube has crashed on my tv 3 times and the video gets all scrambled at times too. I love watching this game though
I am Commander KalChoedan, and this is my favourite TH-cam channel on the internet.
Holey Sheet... Lancet as an extra weapon. I like this game. Can't wait for it to eventually come out on GOG.
I can barely hear you over the SFX
@21:28 Could have had 7 weapons there :)
Might steal hearts is a lil bit of healing.
can u continue the light hunter playthrough? midnight suns
Can you try "Scarlet tower" ? It's like Vampire Survivors but on steroids!
Totally here for the new DLC content!
Ah, another family to join the ranks of vampire survivors. Exploring a new land is exciting, no? A box of candy? Why sure. The choices are near endless. But why stop at one?
IIRC, the no evolves until ten minutes is only in the Mad Forest map. The other maps either have a shorter time limit or no time limit at all.
Other maps have the same restriction, mostly the original maps. There's also some chests that have restrictions on if they'll give any items or only upgrades to weapons. It's possible on a 1 weapon run to get cash bags in a chest while you have passives that haven't hit cap yet.
You can evolve in the mad forest map from RNG chests that drop as early as the first bat , it's only the mantis at minute 5 that can't evolve your weapon.
@@YojiroX It's not RNG - except that the minute 1 bat doesn't always drop a chest. But if it does drop, that chest is a guaranteed evo.
@@KalChoedan "It's not RNG - except that the minute 1 bat doesn't always drop a chest." Congratulations on contradicting yourself within the same sentence.
U can google the evolve chest times for maps.. Ive seen a chart once but didnt bother studying it or copying it..
hey there's a game pretty similar to vampire survivors and it's play to earn
called pome survival
Pome Survival?
Pff! More like Pomb Survival, amirite guys??
.. Odd??
... you know, like, calling the tome "tomb"?
No? Okay. :(
I would say give Heavenly Sword (evolved cross) another chance.
I put it on par with evolved Axe.
It's poopoo
Heavenly Sword (Cross evo) with limit break gave me my best run with the most damage by far. Speed, might, and amount upgrades. Swords teleporting from enemy to enemy so fast and one hit killing them. Just saying... it's a strong upgrade. 😄
You know, you keep saying you don't want to get new things to just focus on what you've got so as to not, like, "clutter up" your pool, but... it kinda works the opposite way.
I mean, yeah, when it comes to chests useful drops are more likely with less things. But for level ups, which are far more common than chests, filling your slots ASAP is the better option. When you level you always get 3-4 choices of things, and the pool it pulls from is *everything* in the game, until you fill your slots. Once the slots are all full you're *guaranteed* to get something you have, instead of potentially nothing you want.
On the other hand, this pushes back evolutions quite a bit.
@@skaarphy5797 Not really. By guaranteeing something useful on every level up you're increasing how fast you can max everything. It might be a tad slower on getting your first evo, but it's faster on getting them all. And since you can't even get an evo until 10 on most maps it may not even be slower to your first every run.
But you're at the mercy of rng still remember odd hasn't sealed anything so the chances to get a worse build is higher then a good one. Depending on the map ramping up your main source of damage could be the only way to make it farther due to lvl scaling
Yesss this!!!! I always pick out 6 passives asap.. And upgrade em asap.. Sometimes before i have a 2nd or 3rd weapon... All the poweruos from passives make up for missing weapons.. And yes.. I'm always upgrading what i wany, when iwant for the most part... For my weapons itsapl rng forms.. I can beat any map with any set of weapons.. So i welcome randomness on them and i pick whatever i get.. No pickiness
Seizure warning, friends! Odd puts the damage flash on and it gets pretty bad.
I dont know why he turned it back on. That shit is frying my eyes!
Hint: Christine's last name is best pronounced the French way.
I lick this series !!!!
I feel your pain for each of those pentas getting rid of the gem 😢 RIP RNG !! *Edit* Holy shit what an episode!!!!
Amount for Penta LOL
Maybe I'm weird I prefer when he's not as good at the games. Still fun, but way more entertained going oh no, why did he grab that!?
In this episode of "Big Oof", Odd starts off with a strong second weapon pick, but then chooses the worst weapon to rely on at low levels while ignoring all others. He follows that off with throwing away his re-rolls by searching for very specific drops while he has half his slots open, before going off on a jaunt up the mountain. He grabs his first new weapon of the DLC, but in the search for the coffin, runs around in circles in the caves while wondering why he isn't moving to the right. He then chooses to explore the map counter-clockwise in order to find the best route to the top right corner of the map. Thankfully, it all works out in the end with the coffin found in the last minute. Stay tuned for more episodes of Big Oof!
Lol
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I wonder how long it will take for him to realize Curse isn't actually a bad thing.
On Moonspell, it's pretty bad. Charm>Curse if you're just talking about power levelling.
14:50 I left a comment about chests on another video but I will leave it again. Different maps have different rules on chests and which chests can evolve weapons. Some maps you can carry a pre-10 box past 10 and use it to evolve and some you can't. Some will evolve early and others wont. Each map has its own set of rules.
This game prides itself on being confusing.
There's really no point in picking up Clover for Penta/Moon, unless you're trying to evolve the Cross as well. Even then, the Cross evolution isn't even good, so there's not much point to picking up Clover. Picking up literally any other item over Clover will give you more value.
Yeah tome made penta faster not clover.. And I donteven think clover helps with 3 or 5 item chests... Not in my runs at least..
Evo chests start dropping at 8 minutes on most maps. Only the shorter maps drop earlier (and a rare chance on the first map for the 3 minute chest to be an evo chest). People keep arguing with me on this, but it's been 8 minutes since the beginning.
It's not surprising that people keep arguing with you because you're mistaken. It's 10 minutes on "most" maps, not 8 - obviously there are a bunch of exceptions as you mention, but for example in the Mad Forest it's the chest that drops at 1 minute which is the exception, not 3 minutes. The 1 minute chest gives a guaranteed evolution, not a rare chance at an evolution, however the chest itself only has a 30% chance to drop at all, and the rest of the time the bat will drop a red gem. The chest that drops at 3 minutes has a 40% chance to drop, but will never give an evolution. This has all been thoroughly tested and is very well documented on the VS wiki. There are also chests at 5 minutes (guaranteed drop), 7 minutes (50% chance to drop) and 9 minutes (also 50% chance to drop) and *none* of these chests can grant an evolution.
@@KalChoedan "It's not surprising that people keep arguing with you because you're mistaken. It's 10 minutes on "most" maps, not 8"yawn... You can test it for yourself, but you'd rather argue. It's been 8 since the beginning, it's still 8. Almost 300 hours invested into VS, with over 20 in the past week alone. But hey, the guy who's been playing since the start and is still playing on a daily basis, he's clearly the one wrong. 🥱
The reason so few people don't realize it's 8 is due to most people not having anything ready to evo by 8 minutes. But if you keep track of the chest dropped at 8 minutes, and wait to use it until you have an evo ready, guess what... It's an evo chest. But don't check that for yourself. Just argue instead.
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I'm really puzzled by your insistence on this. The exact numbers for these things have long since been established and they are thoroughly tested and documented by players who collectively have played the game for thousands of hours more than either of us, over on e.g. the fandom wiki.
I too have been playing since the start. It's *always* been 10 minutes. I've got no idea why you think it's 8. If you've been playing as long as you say you have, I'm sure you're also aware just how trivial it is to have all 6 weapons ready to evolve by
@@KalChoedan "I'm really puzzled by your insistence on this."
Says the dude who wrote a novel.
So I went had a look at the wiki. Turns out we're both wrong. But, amusingly and unsurprisingly, you're more wrong than I was. I have no need to read the inane drivel you've typed up to try to prove you're not wrong, because even without looking at the wiki, you're still wrong. And that's based on the same "thousands of hours" of other people collectively figuring things out.
But you believe whatever you want. You're free to be wrong. Evo chests drop before the 8 minute mark on most maps, and that's according to the wiki, which is far more accurate than your make believe crew that you claim "figured this out".
Have the day you deserve.
@@skyesfury8511 If you didn't bother reading what I wrote, how can you possibly know if I was wrong? I just told you the same as what's on the wiki, *including* about the chests that can evolve things before 10 minutes, which I mentioned in my very first reply to you. It's not my fault if you've got the attention span of a goldfish.
Odd: weird these enemies are super tanky and I'm struggling too hurt them
Also Odd: I'm not going to take any weapons and keep spending upgrades on non combat abilities despite me having the offensive capability of a wet napkin
I mean his starting 2 weapons were penta and song and he lvled em up alot early on.... Tho i wish he did more passive upgrading earlier... Maxing tome first is like THE best strat" in the game.. Honestly.. Santa water at lvl 1 with maxed tome candlestick, and spellbinder is pretty damn good. He had 1 passive...maxed tome with i think 6 in penta and 4 or 5 in song and 1 or 2 in santa.. So overall he did more weapon ups then passives.
Odd OP. Please Nerf.
switch off flashing please....
Let's go
eh Bro ya need to banish faster...wasting rerolls lmao
First!