This is what drives me crazy about baseball..... Pete Rose should be in the hall of Fame, PERIOD!!! But if you're going to ban someone for life then it seems hypocritical to allow him to be honored in any way but it's impossible to tell the story of baseball and NOT acknowledge Charlie Hustle!!
@@steves11 exactly!! Good or bad, you cannot have it both ways. Either ban Pete Rose and hope no one is paying attention OR give him his just due, especially when MLB seems to have no problem in trotting him out there when it suits baseball!!
@@williamanderson6006 no offense but unless you know something that nobody else does then you don't know how far his cheating went either. We can only go by what's on the record and I don't think MLB is in any moral position to call anyone out especially since they turned their heads when McGwire and Sosa were cheating their way to HR records which revived baseball only to have MLB turn their back on them once they got what they needed from their cheating ways. Bottom line is that Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame, PERIOD!!!
Seriously...anyone surprised grandpa did some grandpa shit? He's probably not even sure what the big deal is?? You think he knows or even cares what is socially acceptable?
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@@jsominsky thanks for replying so quickly. I am not sure he will remember me. I worked for his firm with Barney Welch and Marc (who I heard passed away) as a summer job. They sent me to a license revocation hearing to represent a client the day I started! Talk about a baptism under fire. Your grandfather was my family’s attorney. What a great guy. Just in case he remembers me, send my regards. I am 72 now and practicing law in Central Jersey for the last 47 years.
@@robtgoldstein Thank you for your kind words and memories, I'll call my grandfather and let him know - I'm sure he'll appreciate the memories as well.
I watched this game and was joking that no way they would let Pete into the booth and then they did! What they don’t mention is the Phillies are the ones that put him in the announcing booth. He didn’t just let himself in there. Of course they don’t ask the Phillies ownership for accountability with their decision making. They know how Pete is and especially after the incident with the reporter they doubled down. I found his banter with Kruk to be hilarious. “I knew Kruk back when he had two balls.” I don’t care if that not PC that’s funny. Kruk replies that the other one is in a jar of formaldehyde at the University of Pennsylvania. I wish I would’ve recorded the whole half inning because I knew it would be incredible and it didn’t disappoint. Kruk was great during the broadcast telling stories with the alumni and told a story with Bowa that ended with him saying something that could’ve been dumped from the broadcast too but that was the way it was set up. They had a “player’s lounge” in the booth and it was supposed to be loose. Pete even joked that he forced to come on the air when he first came on. Then after the “two balls” quote he talked about the size of the testicles on a race horse he was offered by the Pirates when he was free agent before he signed with the Phils. And then there was the “cock high fastball” and him saying “shit” a few times. McCarthy was stuck between a rock and hard place because the “dude” side of his brain wanted to laugh but the voices in his earpiece was telling him to divert away from whatever Pete was saying. In a vacuum it was funny. Now that doesn’t mean that Pete still isn’t an asshole because even those who support him for his Hall of Fame bid know damn well he isn’t the best character. Especially the accusations from the 70s which if true are worse than any gambling accusations. I also love how they mention the “twenty something year old” like she was held captive and didn’t decide on her own that dating Pete would be a great publicity stunt and it got her a reality TV show. You can’t be politically correct and act like that woman doesn’t have the ability to make her own decisions. Pete wanted some young tail, screw the optics and she went into it to extend her 15 minutes of Fame. Saying “twenty something year old” is code for “she can’t consent” which is disingenuous. And that’s not defending his actions with the reporter…he looked like douche there and should’ve had a handler tell him how to answer those questions with a sense of remorse and empathy. Basically the Phillies knew they were playing with fire bringing Pete to the ballpark and even though I do find it commendable that they tried to honor a huge reason they won that 1980 World Series they were probably better off just having him walk on the field and then getting him the hell out of there.
@@kylek1742 He admitted he had sex with a girl but that she wasn't underage. ( Ohio age of consent was 16 at the time ) We don't know what really happened obviously we weren't there. Look, I'm not arguing with you over someone else's transgressions, and I won't lose any sleep over this either, have a good day ✌🏼
@@kylek1742 Back in 1973 girls were still being married at 13 - 14 to men in their 30's - Applying todays cultural and social standards to 50 years ago is stupid. Society has moved on from then, changed, evolved which is a good thing, but trying to burn a person because they acted according to the social standards of the time is peak SJW, especially coming from a man bun wearing metrosexual media personality whose only contribution to baseball is his stupid opinions.
I feel so bad for TMac. He was desperately trying to deflect away from Pete Rose's comments to talk about the game, but Pete Rose just couldn't keep his mouth shut.
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4 game sweep won 10 of our last 11 and we have to be fake outraged at an old delusional man? That old man doesn't care what you or anyone else thinks. Lets go phils
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That is how woke they are, damn right they didn't have to start the show with the comments of a man who may be senile, then to fake outrage, gtfooh. Tyrone bro I am done with you, where oh where is Mike Miss.
I’m certainly far from right wing but the whole wokeness thing is a joke. When the Flyers had Pride Night and the one player didn’t join the pregame skate because he didn’t want to wear the Pride Jersey they tried to turn that into a big thing. I always thought the Flyers out their players in a bad situation to sell another jersey and that they should’ve had the players decide unanimously whether to wear them or not. And I’m for gay rights but I also played team sports and you don’t mix politics into a locker room. And that immediately caused a divide as some players were huge advocates for the cause while you had one player now ostracized because of his religious beliefs. Of course the coach was on the next day and they were grilling him for standing up for his player even though it was for his religious beliefs. Now the Russian Orthodox Church is a propaganda arm of Putin and his anti-gay agenda but that’s not the point here. Let’s say the player on the Flyers is black Muslim and he’s anti-homophobia…would there be the same outrage? This also led to them wanting to hear from members of the gay community because you know it’s not possible to not be able to empathize unless you are gay. My argument to that would be what sports radio guys who never played the game hate hearing most…”you never played the game so how are you an expert on it?” I’m not advocating white people to go around say what it’s like to be black because that too is disingenuous but certainly it is possible to understand some aspects of another person’s plight. I pointed out in another comment that he talks about the girl that Pete was dating and “going to casinos” with as the “twenty something year old” which implies that “she can’t consent” even though she’s a grown adult that Pete certainly wasn’t holding a gun to her head to date him and that she was a Playboy model probably dating him to extend her 15 minutes of Fame and because they had a reality show together and let’s face it Pete wanted some “young tail” optics be damned. Both got something out of that relationship. I just find it very “unwoke” that his girlfriend isn’t capable of making her own decisions. And that’s the slippery slope of trying to be woke, once you start playing that card someone will take one thing you say that isn’t quite PC and then label you what you label others.
The dudes 81 back then people did this all the time just look at gene hart and what he said in the booth. there’s no proof that Pete did anything and he has every right to not answer a question he never hurt anyone and no charges were ever pressed and I being 16 myself have no problem with him
You are an enabler. In court documents, Rose admitted that he had sex with the female but claimed that he did not do so until 1975, when she was 16 years old. The suit would later be dismissed after both sides reached an agreement. In Ohio, 16 years of age is considered the age of consent. Best of luck on your GED test!
Well, since you're 16 you obviously have a lot of wisdom and life experiences to back up your opinion. I don't know what you mean by "no proof that Pete did anything..." He admitted to having a sexual relationship with a teenage (her age at the time depends on whose story you believe) while he was a married man. That's wrong any way you slice it. Whether it's legal or not, that's a deplorable example of how to live your life. No, people back then didn't sleep with teenagers when they were married in their 30s. Some did, sure, but it wasn't the norm then nor now (thank goodness). And even if it was, so what? You don't judge whether something is right or wrong by how many people are doing it. If you don't have a problem with that, then I guess that says a lot about your morals and ethics.
He’s 81 years old. He isn’t going to go out there and say what you people want him to say. He’s 81 years old and doesn’t give a shit. I mean seriously, get over it
The media are all sheep these days and that’s why they all have the SAME opinion on these controversial issues. They are so afraid of getting canceled by the woke left or being shunned by others in the media, they go along with the PC opinion. Don’t be fooled as alot of people like Bottalico would love to give his true opinion, but they won’t. What’s even more hypocritical is many these people in the Philly media worked with Bill Conlin as it came out that he was a pedophilia. And they also worked with Howard Eskin who was involved with a married women who ended up getting murdered by her jealous husband. I’m not defending Rose, but these people have a lot b***s to throw stones, when they turn the other cheek when it happens in their backyard.
It’s woke to call out this man for his shitty behavior on a day his team was honored? Not to mention he’s a statutory rapist. You weirdos will defend anybody
People disliked Pete rose before woke was even a thing, so I’m not sure how that is connected. I’m glad they aren’t narcissist sympathizers & become yes men just because he was good at his job. Pete rose was so great on the field it’s ashame he is such an ass hole in everything else he does that ends up shadowing his playing career.
Comparing Pete Rose (and how condescending to call him "Peter" instead of Pete, without knowing what he prefers to be used) and his attitude/Gambling (which to this day , no proof he ever gambled on games he was in or managed) and his accolades to Bonds and Clemens whose accolades were accomplished using PED's is a disingenous. Pete did his accomplishments without PED's.
"[N]o proof he ever gambled on games he was in or managed..." Aside from the Dowd Report (which is very well done, thorough, and filled with credible, convincing evidence), are you not aware that Rose admits to betting on baseball when he was managing the Reds? He even profiteers off it by signing autographs for $70 a pop saying "I'm sorry I bet on baseball." Good grief.
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When I was in sixth grade, I did an oral report on the revolutionary war. But, the teacher told me I wasn’t born then, so I had no right to talk about it.
From my perspective Pete is at the age where he doesn't care what people think he knows he won't get in the hall at this point he could care less how he answered the question if he offended anyone he will sleep tonight ...respect for Pete
Man, these guys are soft. Pete Rose might not have said the best things but the reporter shouldn't have asked the question and he should be in the HOF for his PLAY, not his personality. If that's the case, a bunch of HOFers wouldn't be in it based on who they are.
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Fun story: Me and my dad actually sat next to Pete Rose on the airplane ride to San Diego during the all star game back in 2016 and we didn’t even know it
As crude as Pete Rose was in his comments, at least he managed to refrain from using the F-word.....although he did kind of have to check himself just in time on a couple of occasions :-)
Peter rose needs a "handler" to teach him how to make one of those long-winded apologies that say almost nothing and how to answer embarrassing questions with meaningless un-heartfelt contrition. I guess we'll always have the peter roses and ty Cobbs. At least we also had the Jim thomes and Dale Murphys.
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My buddy and I used to drive Liberty Bell park in Bensalem back in the 1980s on Sunday and he would be there every Sunday with a different young girl and was always obnoxious and rude to everyone including the waitresses. One waitress told me she would call in sick if she knew that creep was coming!!
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Exactly. So he's not a nice guy. He's crude, arrogant and arguably a child molester. If Heaven and Hell are real, he'll someday get what's coming to him. None of that takes away from what he did on the baseball field.
@@roozoo That's something different. What those guys did artificially enhanced their performance on the field. What Rose did had no effect on his statistics.
@@roozoo What does PED players have to do with Rose who bet as a Manager? You realize he bet as a Manager in 1987? Why is not in the Hall of Fame for what he did as a player from 1963-86?
Typical double standard in the media though…….If Nick Castallanos said to a female reporter “that’s a stupid question”, the story would have got a hell of a lot more traction bc it fits all the espn, yahoo sports stupid narrative.
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Re: Gambling appearances. The MLB Seems to celebrate gambling in all of its broadcasts with money line graphics, fantasy league sponsors, and straight up gambling sites as business partners. Regarding everything else, I don’t think he’ll ever learn. He probably could have got in if it was just gambling. Regarding Hits. Ty Cobb was a garbage individual too. Induct Pete when he’s dead.
He's in his 80's. In his day that's the way he talked. That's the way alotta men talked, because it's the way they thought. I find it interesting that were all expected to understand whats taboo with every culture, race, color, creed, gender & our newest generations, but not when it comes to the aged, that's where we draw the line. There's no understanding for them. Elvis Presley dated a 14 year old & married her. so did Jerry Lee Lewis, except he one upped Elvis by marrying his cousin. I could go on about idols who were worshiped in the day & still are today that said & did things that don't fly today. Babe Ruth talked to women like Rose does. It was concidered playful back in the day. Our President George Bush while in a wheel chair teased a young reporter & tickled her on camera while in his 80's. The PC police who essentially became the WOKE movement wanted his head on a stick for it. For 60 years everytime they put a Mic in front of Rose he was the same. Many call it arrested development today, we called it set in his or her ways. They were comfortable in their own skin whether others liked it or not. If my mom felt insulted by some geezers language after the initial shock she'd say "what a charactor". It's just the way he talks. He doesn't mean anything by it. Or didn't mean it in a bad way. She called it giving the benefit of the doubt. Punishing them rarely occurred to her as the way to go. I use to think folks were pretty ridged in my day, but next to today's WOKE a Holics. they seem enlightened.
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Certainly the Hall of Fame has looked the other way when it comes to personality flaws in the past; Ted Williams comes to mind. I had hoped by this age Rose would have cleaned up his act, at least at public appearances, but I simply think he does not care. He was a fun player to watch and certainly has the stats to get in, put it's unlikely to happen.
so what? Why drag this shit up? C'mon man - he is 80 years old - this bullshit social justice is going to far. He called her babe - lets call the police.
Pete is how he is I don't see him changing these days for anyone. He has made mistakes obviously. His style of play on the field is Hall of Fame worthy no doubt, the rest well not so much. I have been a Rose fan for over 35 years but on the field only, never wanted to meet him. The numbers speak for themselves...So glad I don't listen to this show because they would drive me insane after 5 minutes...Congrats Albert Pujols on hitting 699 & 700 last evening...
There was no reason to bring up something that happened over 50 years ago! The questions should have been about playing for that team in 1980 period! The media ruined the day, not Rose.
@@jeffgaydoscik2504 But you are saying things shouldn’t be brought up if they happened a long time ago. Accountability doesn’t have an expiration date.
@@patricksudol5617 it was a celebration of a fantastic team that won the World Series, of which Rose was a member and key contributer. There is nothing to be held accountable for. He was invited by the Phillies for a celebration not an interrogation.
Funny how politicians never apologize and everybody still love them don't matter who they are. And I don't like politicians. So I'm not even sticking up for them! Think about it.
Baseball was never going to offer Rose any stipulations and Rose was never going to change his habits anyway. The only thing they could take away was the Hall of Fame and they made sure of that. So he will die an asterisk in the game. Then again, from a players and owners perspective, who cares about the game anyway unless it can be promoted in any form for the sole purpose of making money. It's not a game it's a gimmick. It is a nightly show much like a movie, in and out in three hours or less normally. In those three hours you might get 10-15 minutes of actual action. You get a guy pitching to a catcher. A guy swinging a stick, fouling several balls all over the place. The rest including fans are both watching this and their phones. Eating and drinking grossly overpriced concessions. Everybody has an image, players, Umpires, fans, they all gather and accomplish absolutely nothing. It isn't ultimately all worth a nickel, never was, except some pride when, lord I can't remember anymore, it was a game.
Wonder how many drinks Rose had in him before they gave him a live mic. That and grandpa energy is not a good combo these days, whether you think this an overreaction or excusing lousy behavior
GUYS LIKE PETE ROSE, MARK McGWIRE, SAMMY SOSA,RAFAEL PALMEIRO, ROGER CLEMENS AND BARRY "STEROID" BONDS CANNOT BE IN THE HALL OF FAME. SHOULD THEY GET INTO THE HALL OF FAME, THEY WOULD TURN IT INTO THE HALL OF SHAME.
There's different levels of "sketchiness." Integrity wouldn't be a part of the voting criteria if the Hall didn't think it was important. It has to factor in to a degree.
Pete belongs in the hall period that's my statement here's my question if most of the league was on roids wasnt the rocket just leveling the playing field also schilling belongs in the hall as well but some folks don't like what he has to say either
This is certainly not the best show ever, even with the ?. Tyrone is much better than Missanelli, yet Devon Givens is SOOO mucher better than Tyrone. This new show SUCKS.
I am from Cincinnati my best friend lived next door to Rose also I worked with his nephew but I never knew Rose nor did i want to know him, a great baseball player but always was and always will be an arrogant SOB in my opinion
When Rose was called into Bart Giammatti's office in 1989, Giammatti made him wait in the reception area for over an hour. There were a bunch of portraits of hall of famers in his reception area, people that Rose had played with and against. It made him angry that his own portrait wasn't among them so when Giammatti came out to greet him, Pete Rose turned to Giamatti and with a very cocky tone of voice said, "How come I ain't up there?" I believe that, at that monent Pete Rose sealed his fate for the rest of his life. If he had gone in there with his hat in his hand, with some genuine humility, and with some genuine regret for what he had done, it would've went down as a footnote in baseball history, but when he showed that cocky, unrepentant attitude of, "Why ain't I up there?", Giammatti decided right then and there that he was going to ban him for life and, even after that, he didn't admit that anything he had done was wrong for almost 20 years. I honestly believe that he sealed his own fate with his cocky unrepentant attitude with Giammatti that day. I love the guy but there's no question he has character flaws and caused a lot of his own self-inflicted wounds.
Pete Rose may be one of the best baseball players of all time but he's a horrible human being. I was thinking with all the betting now it was time to reconsider Pete and the hall of fame. But he blew it. He should never be included in baseball again. Now he's just a creepy old man.
I see Pete, all of 80 years old, right knowing he did wrong, trying to say he is sorry, but clearly dont really know how to, right. So the Phillies, class organization that they are tried to give him a platform, and baseball too looking to maybe put some things behind everyone. Then what happens some reporter goads the guy about something that happened 50 years ago, incredible!! What is he to say, he is pushing senility and that is the question, in fact it was two questions. I dont give him a complete pass, but why goad the guy about some statutory rape shit that happened half a century ago? What angle was the reporter pushing. Shame, a damn shame the whole thing, Pete will probably die now before he gets in and its a shame too. Anybody know who the reporter was who asked about the statutory rape case, and listening to these guys here was disappointing too. Without Pete Rose there was no championship here in 80, dont ever forget that. And I bet neither of these fools on this show was even watching baseball in 1980.
How many PED users are in the HOF? You tell me? Zero as far as I'm aware. They consistently vote to keep them out-- Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, Palmero, Clemens, Rodriguez... Most of those players were Hall of Famers without steroids so the fact that the HOF consistently votes to keep them out tells us hall they feel about those "cheaters." Rose, in some respects, has been not treated well or fairly by baseball. However, his banishment is not one of them. He did the wrong that got him banished. He agreed to the banishment. It doesn't appear that he has rehabilitated himself from the problem that got him banished. He lied about it for many years and falsely maligned those that accused him as being liars when they were in fact telling the truth. Exactly what right does he have to be bitter towards baseball?
Ladies calm down its Pete Rose. People who are on this were toddlers at best when he played for the Phillies. The I knew Kruk when he had two balls was comic gold.
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@@mattgress9213 Pete rose is the biggest narcissist in baseball history. Him being an ass hole completely overshadows his greatness on the field & that’s 100% his fault lol. People love to convince themselves it’s because everyone else is soft, Not because he’s an ass hole, those people are narcissist sympathizers lol
My gosh these guys must have a personal vendetta with Pete. They should be embarrassed of themselves, especially ricky bottalico, and to say people were booing, get over yourself . It was 100% cheering for Pete. He belongs on the field and belongs in the Hall!
Look...im no big rose fan but c'mon man....dude shows up for a good day at cbp and first question is about this girl from what? 1972? I think you guys need to man up...i think it bothers you that petes a real man and as soft as men are today youre all getting offended that he said what he said. I say good for him. Oh...and nobody got bothered about everyone else cussin in the booth.
I see both sides but it’s hard to sympathize with narcissists like Pete rose. I’ll never become some narcissists yes man like a lot of these people who think just because they don’t get offended, end up becoming some narcissists defending kiss ass yes man. Usually all the “tough guys” who don’t get offended by anything are manipulated into defending narcissistic behavior.
I think it was a big mistake by MLB to allow Pete to be involved in any baseball ceremonies. He broke the cardinal rule and at each chance he was given to bring up the truth he tried selling a book to "tell his truth" which in each case was still a lie. Having meet a number of people that have interacted with Pete that have no doubt that he bet against his teams I share the belief that MLB is better off with Pete as far away from the sport as possible.
This is what drives me crazy about baseball..... Pete Rose should be in the hall of Fame, PERIOD!!! But if you're going to ban someone for life then it seems hypocritical to allow him to be honored in any way but it's impossible to tell the story of baseball and NOT acknowledge Charlie Hustle!!
Right....you can't pretend that he never existed as a baseball player.
@@steves11 exactly!! Good or bad, you cannot have it both ways. Either ban Pete Rose and hope no one is paying attention OR give him his just due, especially when MLB seems to have no problem in trotting him out there when it suits baseball!!
So you’d allow a grown man fu@k your underage daughter? That says more about ya dirtbag. Hopefully you can’t have children.
You guys don't know how far his cheating went.
@@williamanderson6006 no offense but unless you know something that nobody else does then you don't know how far his cheating went either. We can only go by what's on the record and I don't think MLB is in any moral position to call anyone out especially since they turned their heads when McGwire and Sosa were cheating their way to HR records which revived baseball only to have MLB turn their back on them once they got what they needed from their cheating ways. Bottom line is that Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame, PERIOD!!!
I feel like I am watching a bunch of old ladies clutching their pearls in shock that Pete said some old school shit. The guy is 81. LET IT GO!!!!
Seriously...anyone surprised grandpa did some grandpa shit? He's probably not even sure what the big deal is?? You think he knows or even cares what is socially acceptable?
Wait for the eulogies when he dies. All of a sudden he'll become a saint.
@@cteal2018 Certainly not in the politically correct world of 2022. Pete's still living in the 1970s.
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Hopefully they’re clutching their underage daughters, knowing Pete’s past.
The real embarrassment is how much people care about an old man's comments.
These woke PC people are literally stumbling over themselves to fake pretend that they're outraged, over the comments of a 81 year old man
Are you any relation to Albert Ominsky, who practiced law in Philadelphia? I worked for Al when I was in law school.
That's my grandfather, he's 89 and doing great. I hope you are well.
@@jsominsky thanks for replying so quickly. I am not sure he will remember me. I worked for his firm with Barney Welch and Marc (who I heard passed away) as a summer job. They sent me to a license revocation hearing to represent a client the day I started! Talk about a baptism under fire. Your grandfather was my family’s attorney. What a great guy. Just in case he remembers me, send my regards. I am 72 now and practicing law in Central Jersey for the last 47 years.
@@robtgoldstein Thank you for your kind words and memories, I'll call my grandfather and let him know - I'm sure he'll appreciate the memories as well.
Pete is a Hall of Famer, somebody got those 4256 hits.
@ A A - Hey, they HATE him.They do not like it when he HATES back . . .
Who cares
Somebody also agreed to a lifetime ban from baseball.
I watched this game and was joking that no way they would let Pete into the booth and then they did! What they don’t mention is the Phillies are the ones that put him in the announcing booth. He didn’t just let himself in there. Of course they don’t ask the Phillies ownership for accountability with their decision making. They know how Pete is and especially after the incident with the reporter they doubled down. I found his banter with Kruk to be hilarious. “I knew Kruk back when he had two balls.” I don’t care if that not PC that’s funny. Kruk replies that the other one is in a jar of formaldehyde at the University of Pennsylvania. I wish I would’ve recorded the whole half inning because I knew it would be incredible and it didn’t disappoint. Kruk was great during the broadcast telling stories with the alumni and told a story with Bowa that ended with him saying something that could’ve been dumped from the broadcast too but that was the way it was set up. They had a “player’s lounge” in the booth and it was supposed to be loose. Pete even joked that he forced to come on the air when he first came on. Then after the “two balls” quote he talked about the size of the testicles on a race horse he was offered by the Pirates when he was free agent before he signed with the Phils. And then there was the “cock high fastball” and him saying “shit” a few times. McCarthy was stuck between a rock and hard place because the “dude” side of his brain wanted to laugh but the voices in his earpiece was telling him to divert away from whatever Pete was saying. In a vacuum it was funny. Now that doesn’t mean that Pete still isn’t an asshole because even those who support him for his Hall of Fame bid know damn well he isn’t the best character. Especially the accusations from the 70s which if true are worse than any gambling accusations. I also love how they mention the “twenty something year old” like she was held captive and didn’t decide on her own that dating Pete would be a great publicity stunt and it got her a reality TV show. You can’t be politically correct and act like that woman doesn’t have the ability to make her own decisions. Pete wanted some young tail, screw the optics and she went into it to extend her 15 minutes of Fame. Saying “twenty something year old” is code for “she can’t consent” which is disingenuous. And that’s not defending his actions with the reporter…he looked like douche there and should’ve had a handler tell him how to answer those questions with a sense of remorse and empathy. Basically the Phillies knew they were playing with fire bringing Pete to the ballpark and even though I do find it commendable that they tried to honor a huge reason they won that 1980 World Series they were probably better off just having him walk on the field and then getting him the hell out of there.
What’s so damn controversial? They’re advertising sports books on their games. Gambling is a central piece of the MLB
It’s about to pedophilia
@@kylek1742 There is no "evidence" that Pete Rose was a pedophile.
@@Cimmerian415 except for the fact that he admitted it
@@kylek1742 He admitted he had sex with a girl but that she wasn't underage.
( Ohio age of consent was 16 at the time )
We don't know what really happened obviously we weren't there.
Look, I'm not arguing with you over someone else's transgressions, and I won't lose any sleep over this either, have a good day ✌🏼
@@kylek1742 Back in 1973 girls were still being married at 13 - 14 to men in their 30's - Applying todays cultural and social standards to 50 years ago is stupid. Society has moved on from then, changed, evolved which is a good thing, but trying to burn a person because they acted according to the social standards of the time is peak SJW, especially coming from a man bun wearing metrosexual media personality whose only contribution to baseball is his stupid opinions.
Someone has to ask a question that has nothing to do with why he was there,that wasn’t a damn place to ask that question it wasn’t a damn courtroom
I feel so bad for TMac. He was desperately trying to deflect away from Pete Rose's comments to talk about the game, but Pete Rose just couldn't keep his mouth shut.
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It was a tough spot for sure
4 game sweep won 10 of our last 11 and we have to be fake outraged at an old delusional man? That old man doesn't care what you or anyone else thinks. Lets go phils
It served its purpose. Fans got their Pete Rose fix and now will stop clamoring to lift his ban and put him in the HOF.
@@steves11 I can assure you no one is doing this lol.
It only overshadows the team because you allow it to. You ignore him.
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You can't ignore him.. he's pete rose he's the hit king
Ignore Pete Rose? Don't worry Pete will never let that happen.
You don't have to start the show with this, you all chose to...
That is how woke they are, damn right they didn't have to start the show with the comments of a man who may be senile, then to fake outrage, gtfooh. Tyrone bro I am done with you, where oh where is Mike Miss.
I’m certainly far from right wing but the whole wokeness thing is a joke. When the Flyers had Pride Night and the one player didn’t join the pregame skate because he didn’t want to wear the Pride Jersey they tried to turn that into a big thing. I always thought the Flyers out their players in a bad situation to sell another jersey and that they should’ve had the players decide unanimously whether to wear them or not. And I’m for gay rights but I also played team sports and you don’t mix politics into a locker room. And that immediately caused a divide as some players were huge advocates for the cause while you had one player now ostracized because of his religious beliefs. Of course the coach was on the next day and they were grilling him for standing up for his player even though it was for his religious beliefs. Now the Russian Orthodox Church is a propaganda arm of Putin and his anti-gay agenda but that’s not the point here. Let’s say the player on the Flyers is black Muslim and he’s anti-homophobia…would there be the same outrage? This also led to them wanting to hear from members of the gay community because you know it’s not possible to not be able to empathize unless you are gay. My argument to that would be what sports radio guys who never played the game hate hearing most…”you never played the game so how are you an expert on it?” I’m not advocating white people to go around say what it’s like to be black because that too is disingenuous but certainly it is possible to understand some aspects of another person’s plight. I pointed out in another comment that he talks about the girl that Pete was dating and “going to casinos” with as the “twenty something year old” which implies that “she can’t consent” even though she’s a grown adult that Pete certainly wasn’t holding a gun to her head to date him and that she was a Playboy model probably dating him to extend her 15 minutes of Fame and because they had a reality show together and let’s face it Pete wanted some “young tail” optics be damned. Both got something out of that relationship. I just find it very “unwoke” that his girlfriend isn’t capable of making her own decisions. And that’s the slippery slope of trying to be woke, once you start playing that card someone will take one thing you say that isn’t quite PC and then label you what you label others.
Is Ty Cobb in the hall of fame? I’m pretty sure he did worse than Pete Rose
The dudes 81 back then people did this all the time just look at gene hart and what he said in the booth. there’s no proof that Pete did anything and he has every right to not answer a question he never hurt anyone and no charges were ever pressed and I being 16 myself have no problem with him
You are an enabler. In court documents, Rose admitted that he had sex with the female but claimed that he did not do so until 1975, when she was 16 years old. The suit would later be dismissed after both sides reached an agreement. In Ohio, 16 years of age is considered the age of consent. Best of luck on your GED test!
Well, since you're 16 you obviously have a lot of wisdom and life experiences to back up your opinion. I don't know what you mean by "no proof that Pete did anything..." He admitted to having a sexual relationship with a teenage (her age at the time depends on whose story you believe) while he was a married man. That's wrong any way you slice it. Whether it's legal or not, that's a deplorable example of how to live your life. No, people back then didn't sleep with teenagers when they were married in their 30s. Some did, sure, but it wasn't the norm then nor now (thank goodness). And even if it was, so what? You don't judge whether something is right or wrong by how many people are doing it. If you don't have a problem with that, then I guess that says a lot about your morals and ethics.
Pete Rose is the man. A legend on and off the field.
He’s 81 years old. He isn’t going to go out there and say what you people want him to say. He’s 81 years old and doesn’t give a shit. I mean seriously, get over it
Pete Rose will not make it in the morality hall of fame. But he does belong in the baseball hall of fame
And you belong in the knucklehead hall of fame
Surprised by Ricky. Not saying what Rose said or did was right, I guess he doesn't want to risk his new job so hes gotta play the PC woke game.
The media are all sheep these days and that’s why they all have the SAME opinion on these controversial issues. They are so afraid of getting canceled by the woke left or being shunned by others in the media, they go along with the PC opinion. Don’t be fooled as alot of people like Bottalico would love to give his true opinion, but they won’t. What’s even more hypocritical is many these people in the Philly media worked with Bill Conlin as it came out that he was a pedophilia. And they also worked with Howard Eskin who was involved with a married women who ended up getting murdered by her jealous husband. I’m not defending Rose, but these people have a lot b***s to throw stones, when they turn the other cheek when it happens in their backyard.
It’s woke to call out this man for his shitty behavior on a day his team was honored? Not to mention he’s a statutory rapist. You weirdos will defend anybody
People disliked Pete rose before woke was even a thing, so I’m not sure how that is connected.
I’m glad they aren’t narcissist sympathizers & become yes men just because he was good at his job. Pete rose was so great on the field it’s ashame he is such an ass hole in everything else he does that ends up shadowing his playing career.
You’re surprised he doesn’t agree with pedophilia?!
Comparing Pete Rose (and how condescending to call him "Peter" instead of Pete, without knowing what he prefers to be used) and his attitude/Gambling (which to this day , no proof he ever gambled on games he was in or managed) and his accolades to Bonds and Clemens whose accolades were accomplished using PED's is a disingenous. Pete did his accomplishments without PED's.
"[N]o proof he ever gambled on games he was in or managed..." Aside from the Dowd Report (which is very well done, thorough, and filled with credible, convincing evidence), are you not aware that Rose admits to betting on baseball when he was managing the Reds? He even profiteers off it by signing autographs for $70 a pop saying "I'm sorry I bet on baseball." Good grief.
Peter? Come on Tyrone, have some respect for yourself.
Oh my God he said babe! Tyrone you should try to get a commercial for Mister Softee. Ricky leave this clown!
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When I was in sixth grade, I did an oral report on the revolutionary war. But, the teacher told me I wasn’t born then, so I had no right to talk about it.
Lol, oral.
Can someone in the Organization get Get Pete Rose and Lenny Dykstra in a room together and just record their conversation?
That would be a Classic Video !! Ha!!
From my perspective Pete is at the age where he doesn't care what people think he knows he won't get in the hall at this point he could care less how he answered the question if he offended anyone he will sleep tonight ...respect for Pete
Congrats, you decided to get on here and defend a pedophile
respect for a pedophile...?
Man, these guys are soft. Pete Rose might not have said the best things but the reporter shouldn't have asked the question and he should be in the HOF for his PLAY, not his personality. If that's the case, a bunch of HOFers wouldn't be in it based on who they are.
You missed the point.
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idk i dont think pedos should be in the HOF regardless of play
People couldn’t jump into these comments to defend pedophilia quick enough!
Pete Rose should be in the hall of fame. This is a garbage discussion.
Fun story: Me and my dad actually sat next to Pete Rose on the airplane ride to San Diego during the all star game back in 2016 and we didn’t even know it
That wasn’t fun at all. Terrible story in fact.
As crude as Pete Rose was in his comments, at least he managed to refrain from using the F-word.....although he did kind of have to check himself just in time on a couple of occasions :-)
Peter rose needs a "handler" to teach him how to make one of those long-winded apologies that say almost nothing and how to answer embarrassing questions with meaningless un-heartfelt contrition. I guess we'll always have the peter roses and ty Cobbs. At least we also had the Jim thomes and Dale Murphys.
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My buddy and I used to drive Liberty Bell park in Bensalem back in the 1980s on Sunday and he would be there every Sunday with a different young girl and was always obnoxious and rude to everyone including the waitresses. One waitress told me she would call in sick if she knew that creep was coming!!
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Say what you will about him. He has Hall of Fame numbers. What he did on the field speaks for itself.
Exactly. So he's not a nice guy. He's crude, arrogant and arguably a child molester. If Heaven and Hell are real, he'll someday get what's coming to him. None of that takes away from what he did on the baseball field.
Yeah, well Sosa, Clemens, and Bonds had numbers, but no Hall of Fame because they were on the gas
@@roozoo That's something different. What those guys did artificially enhanced their performance on the field. What Rose did had no effect on his statistics.
@@roozoo What does PED players have to do with Rose who bet as a Manager? You realize he bet as a Manager in 1987? Why is not in the Hall of Fame for what he did as a player from 1963-86?
What he did off it speaks for itself as well
Character matters.
You'll never deny Mr. Rose I don't care what age u think u wish you were. Swallow your own drought punks he don't have to apologize for shit... BABE!
Typical double standard in the media though…….If Nick Castallanos said to a female reporter “that’s a stupid question”, the story would have got a hell of a lot more traction bc it fits all the espn, yahoo sports stupid narrative.
Maybe you guys should rename this show to The View?
Is that a "Man-Bun"?!?
Pete "the rules don't apply to me" Rose
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decades of persecution has made him a bit senile
Rose should be in THE HALL OF FAME 100000000%.
There's all kind of idiots and rule breakers already in the HOF. Get over it..
After what they let the Astros get by with i really don't care
Re: Gambling appearances. The MLB Seems to celebrate gambling in all of its broadcasts with money line graphics, fantasy league sponsors, and straight up gambling sites as business partners.
Regarding everything else, I don’t think he’ll ever learn. He probably could have got in if it was just gambling.
Regarding Hits. Ty Cobb was a garbage individual too. Induct Pete when he’s dead.
He's in his 80's. In his day that's the way he talked. That's the way alotta men talked, because it's the way they thought. I find it interesting that were all expected to understand whats taboo with every culture, race, color, creed, gender & our newest generations, but not when it comes to the aged, that's where we draw the line. There's no understanding for them. Elvis Presley dated a 14 year old & married her. so did Jerry Lee Lewis, except he one upped Elvis by marrying his cousin. I could go on about idols who were worshiped in the day & still are today that said & did things that don't fly today. Babe Ruth talked to women like Rose does. It was concidered playful back in the day. Our President George Bush while in a wheel chair teased a young reporter & tickled her on camera while in his 80's. The PC police who essentially became the WOKE movement wanted his head on a stick for it. For 60 years everytime they put a Mic in front of Rose he was the same. Many call it arrested development today, we called it set in his or her ways. They were comfortable in their own skin whether others liked it or not. If my mom felt insulted by some geezers language after the initial shock she'd say "what a charactor". It's just the way he talks. He doesn't mean anything by it. Or didn't mean it in a bad way. She called it giving the benefit of the doubt. Punishing them rarely occurred to her as the way to go. I use to think folks were pretty ridged in my day, but next to today's WOKE a Holics. they seem enlightened.
You used a lot of words when you could’ve just said “pedophilia isn’t bad”
@@kylek1742 fr😅😅
“Thats just the way it was back in the day” is a real easy way to try and excuse people of their shitty behavior
@@kylek1742 What Rose did wasn't pedophilia. It was ephebophilia or at worst, hebephilia.
There’s something about an Aqua Velva man!!!
Seems like they should erase the question marks. Love this freakin show
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Still, in my opinion a difference among Pete the player, managed and 80 plus year old man.
The player, unequivocally, belongs in the Hall of Fame.
Certainly the Hall of Fame has looked the other way when it comes to personality flaws in the past; Ted Williams comes to mind. I had hoped by this age Rose would have cleaned up his act, at least at public appearances, but I simply think he does not care. He was a fun player to watch and certainly has the stats to get in, put it's unlikely to happen.
Joe Dimagio beat Marilyn Monroe, and he is in the hall, Babe Ruth fucked anything that had two tits and a hole and he is in the hall
Great player but Pete the creep .
Sensitive little wokers!
How could you let Pete come back!
so what? Why drag this shit up? C'mon man - he is 80 years old - this bullshit social justice is going to far. He called her babe - lets call the police.
Pete is how he is I don't see him changing these days for anyone. He has made mistakes obviously. His style of play on the field is Hall of Fame worthy no doubt, the rest well not so much. I have been a Rose fan for over 35 years but on the field only, never wanted to meet him. The numbers speak for themselves...So glad I don't listen to this show because they would drive me insane after 5 minutes...Congrats Albert Pujols on hitting 699 & 700 last evening...
I've heard Pete talk circles around these clowns.
If you walk around looking to be offended you'll always find something to be offended about.
Glad to hear you all talk about pete rose unfiltered, keep up the good work!!!
People gotta stop being soft who cares
I thought he was hilarious
There was no reason to bring up something that happened over 50 years ago! The questions should have been about playing for that team in 1980 period! The media ruined the day, not Rose.
My sentiments exactly
But we can celebrate him for a WS win that happened over 40 years ago. We can only bring up good things that happened a long time ago?
@@patricksudol5617 That's the only reason he was there.
@@jeffgaydoscik2504 But you are saying things shouldn’t be brought up if they happened a long time ago. Accountability doesn’t have an expiration date.
@@patricksudol5617 it was a celebration of a fantastic team that won the World Series, of which Rose was a member and key contributer. There is nothing to be held accountable for. He was invited by the Phillies for a celebration not an interrogation.
Funny how politicians never apologize and everybody still love them don't matter who they are. And I don't like politicians. So I'm not even sticking up for them! Think about it.
No - Goodell had it out for him
Pete Rose is a legend. These three amateur radio announcers are comically bad at their craft....
What has this showed turned into? A joke
They got rid of Mike Missanelli for this crap. A loud mouth Stephen A Smith wannabe
His interview with John Clark was good. So for him to mess this up is disappointing.
Why would a reporter ask that question!
My sentiments exactly why would she ask such a disrespectful question.
Why would Pete have sex with a child?
@@flowman5383 There is a Criminal Justice System for that ! And your not it !
Baseball was never going to offer Rose any stipulations and Rose was never going to change his habits anyway. The only thing they could take away was the Hall of Fame and they made sure of that. So he will die an asterisk in the game. Then again, from a players and owners perspective, who cares about the game anyway unless it can be promoted in any form for the sole purpose of making money. It's not a game it's a gimmick. It is a nightly show much like a movie, in and out in three hours or less normally. In those three hours you might get 10-15 minutes of actual action. You get a guy pitching to a catcher. A guy swinging a stick, fouling several balls all over the place. The rest including fans are both watching this and their phones. Eating and drinking grossly overpriced concessions. Everybody has an image, players, Umpires, fans, they all gather and accomplish absolutely nothing. It isn't ultimately all worth a nickel, never was, except some pride when, lord I can't remember anymore, it was a game.
Wonder how many drinks Rose had in him before they gave him a live mic.
That and grandpa energy is not a good combo these days, whether you think this an overreaction or excusing lousy behavior
GUYS LIKE PETE ROSE, MARK McGWIRE, SAMMY SOSA,RAFAEL PALMEIRO, ROGER CLEMENS AND BARRY "STEROID" BONDS CANNOT BE IN THE HALL OF FAME. SHOULD THEY GET INTO THE HALL OF FAME, THEY WOULD TURN IT INTO THE HALL OF SHAME.
If you want to judge players based on their morals then the hof wouldn’t exist. Come on man the hall is littered with sketchy dudes.
There's different levels of "sketchiness." Integrity wouldn't be a part of the voting criteria if the Hall didn't think it was important. It has to factor in to a degree.
I almost felt sorry for Pete but then He opened his mouth
The guy that opens the show with comments is repulsive, misinformed and ignorant.
Pete belongs in the hall period that's my statement here's my question if most of the league was on roids wasnt the rocket just leveling the playing field also schilling belongs in the hall as well but some folks don't like what he has to say either
This is certainly not the best show ever, even with the ?. Tyrone is much better than Missanelli, yet Devon Givens is SOOO mucher better than Tyrone. This new show SUCKS.
These guys are jokes...Not worth listening to..Also John Kruk thought he was good but not near Pete's status on the field.
I am from Cincinnati my best friend lived next door to Rose also I worked with his nephew but I never knew Rose nor did i want to know him, a great baseball player but always was and always will be an arrogant SOB in my opinion
When Rose was called into Bart Giammatti's office in 1989, Giammatti made him wait in the reception area for over an hour. There were a bunch of portraits of hall of famers in his reception area, people that Rose had played with and against. It made him angry that his own portrait wasn't among them so when Giammatti came out to greet him, Pete Rose turned to Giamatti and with a very cocky tone of voice said, "How come I ain't up there?" I believe that, at that monent Pete Rose sealed his fate for the rest of his life. If he had gone in there with his hat in his hand, with some genuine humility, and with some genuine regret for what he had done, it would've went down as a footnote in baseball history, but when he showed that cocky, unrepentant attitude of, "Why ain't I up there?", Giammatti decided right then and there that he was going to ban him for life and, even after that, he didn't admit that anything he had done was wrong for almost 20 years. I honestly believe that he sealed his own fate with his cocky unrepentant attitude with Giammatti that day. I love the guy but there's no question he has character flaws and caused a lot of his own self-inflicted wounds.
Not really ..Ueberoth was commissioner at the time .Rose lied hus whole life about everything
would have been great if Kane showed up and gave him tombstone pile driver again
Pete Rose may be one of the best baseball players of all time but he's a horrible human being. I was thinking with all the betting now it was time to reconsider Pete and the hall of fame. But he blew it. He should never be included in baseball again. Now he's just a creepy old man.
Her question was very inappropriate.
You serious bro?
I see Pete, all of 80 years old, right knowing he did wrong, trying to say he is sorry, but clearly dont really know how to, right. So the Phillies, class organization that they are tried to give him a platform, and baseball too looking to maybe put some things behind everyone. Then what happens some reporter goads the guy about something that happened 50 years ago, incredible!! What is he to say, he is pushing senility and that is the question, in fact it was two questions. I dont give him a complete pass, but why goad the guy about some statutory rape shit that happened half a century ago? What angle was the reporter pushing. Shame, a damn shame the whole thing, Pete will probably die now before he gets in and its a shame too. Anybody know who the reporter was who asked about the statutory rape case, and listening to these guys here was disappointing too. Without Pete Rose there was no championship here in 80, dont ever forget that. And I bet neither of these fools on this show was even watching baseball in 1980.
Pete,is this your burner?
The Worst Show Ever ?
Tyrone, Stump from Lawncrest would take you behind the wood shed. You are soft.
Tyrone isn’t a narcissist sympathizer, he isn’t going to become some Pete rose yes man just because Pete was good at baseball.
@@B_Lo95 Tyrone is a fake tough guy.
Pete Rose has every reason to be bitter and antagonistic to baseball - How many PED users are in the HoF? You know, actual players who cheated.
How many PED users are in the HOF? You tell me? Zero as far as I'm aware. They consistently vote to keep them out-- Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, Palmero, Clemens, Rodriguez... Most of those players were Hall of Famers without steroids so the fact that the HOF consistently votes to keep them out tells us hall they feel about those "cheaters." Rose, in some respects, has been not treated well or fairly by baseball. However, his banishment is not one of them. He did the wrong that got him banished. He agreed to the banishment. It doesn't appear that he has rehabilitated himself from the problem that got him banished. He lied about it for many years and falsely maligned those that accused him as being liars when they were in fact telling the truth. Exactly what right does he have to be bitter towards baseball?
@@1981lashlarue McGwyre is in along with Canseco
Neither one is in there. Go ahead and look up the inductees. Tell me when they were inducted. They weren't.
It's just Pete being Pete, you should be used to it by now. Lol But I get what you're saying.
You are getting a bit too woke for me.
People disliked Pete rose long before woke was a thing lmao Just because you want to sympathize with narcissists doesn’t mean Tyrone has to.
Y’all love negativity
Ladies calm down its Pete Rose. People who are on this were toddlers at best when he played for the Phillies. The I knew Kruk when he had two balls was comic gold.
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Spot on. 100% correct.
Pete is childish! Period!
Pete rose is the all time leader in hits show him some respect please.
He’s a great player. Doesn’t mean he’s a bad guy who is all about himself.
@@mattgress9213 Pete rose is the biggest narcissist in baseball history. Him being an ass hole completely overshadows his greatness on the field & that’s 100% his fault lol. People love to convince themselves it’s because everyone else is soft, Not because he’s an ass hole, those people are narcissist sympathizers lol
no respect for pedophiles lol thanks
@@RainbowDaisys innocent until proven guilty, I know that is such a hard concept for people to fathom.
@@superbowlchamps52 my guy he literally admitted it 😅
My gosh these guys must have a personal vendetta with Pete. They should be embarrassed of themselves, especially ricky bottalico, and to say people were booing, get over yourself . It was 100% cheering for Pete. He belongs on the field and belongs in the Hall!
Look...im no big rose fan but c'mon man....dude shows up for a good day at cbp and first question is about this girl from what? 1972? I think you guys need to man up...i think it bothers you that petes a real man and as soft as men are today youre all getting offended that he said what he said. I say good for him. Oh...and nobody got bothered about everyone else cussin in the booth.
I see both sides but it’s hard to sympathize with narcissists like Pete rose. I’ll never become some narcissists yes man like a lot of these people who think just because they don’t get offended, end up becoming some narcissists defending kiss ass yes man. Usually all the “tough guys” who don’t get offended by anything are manipulated into defending narcissistic behavior.
Drama guys drama
Relax. Jesus .
This show sucks.
Make a mistake in this cancel culture we live in and they never let you forget it
pedophilia???🙃
PETE ROSE H.O.F
You old ladies are funny !
It was pretty funny
I think it was a big mistake by MLB to allow Pete to be involved in any baseball ceremonies. He broke the cardinal rule and at each chance he was given to bring up the truth he tried selling a book to "tell his truth" which in each case was still a lie. Having meet a number of people that have interacted with Pete that have no doubt that he bet against his teams I share the belief that MLB is better off with Pete as far away from the sport as possible.
That’s just Pete being Pete ! In a country where Trump was our President! It’s no Big Thing !
Accusations.... who gives a f.......
Controversial.......... whatever ....