😳 ARE YOU LEGAL? | CARAVAN INDUSTRY SHAKEUP! | NEW LAWS FROM NOV 18 | ENERDRIVE EXPLAINS
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- WHAT DO THESE NEW CARAVAN INDUSTRY LAWS MEAN FOR YOU? Is your caravan legal? How hard is it to become compliant? Do you need to change your current setup? Where do batteries need to be installed? What happens with venting? Do I need warning labels?
Remi from @enerdrive-dometic joins us in our brand new @titaniumcaravans to give you a simple breakdown of how these rules and regulations will impact you.
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To be clear the “new standard” AS3001 everyone keeps referring to is not a new standard however a revision to an existing standard. The last revision of this standard was 2008. A lot has changed in the caravan industry since then and this standard is just catching up to what has been an industry free for all for some time.
Long overdue in my opinion.
Brilliant, informative episode, thanks for sharing, looking forward to the walkthrough episode xxxx
You’re welcome! ☺️
Gr8 ep … very interesting and informative 🤙 thanks a bunch 🍻
Morning Mates 😊 Thanks Legends for the info 👏🏼👍🏼 Have safe travels & Cheers 🍻 From South Africa 🇿🇦
You’re more than welcome mate ✌🏼🍻
Again! You two cover the important points 🙏💞🇦🇺 Great episode 😊
Thanks so much! 😁
Just bought a second hand van and getting it upgraded and I knew I’d seen this before because he was panicking about the regs and I have told him to look at this video so thank you thank you so so much for this video and all your helpful updates video. Me and the boss just like following your everyday videos and seeing what sort of antics Chris gets up to cheers and thanks
So glad we could help! Thanks so much
For your support 😁😁🙏🏼
Thanks again guys for your input so helpful.
You’re welcome! 😁
Awesome Ep guys and great info.
Glad you enjoyed it
Question regarding solar. Does each solar panel wiring need to individually come through the roof of the caravan to fuse each of them?
Thank you for the update regarding the new regulations.
Thoughly enjoyed this guys! 👍
Thanks!!😁
Thank you for this great information.
You’re very welcome 😁
Great Vid as always guy's! What's the go with all the Chargers etc., being in the the Vented Cupboard outside? Is this part of the new requirement too? It wasn't really mentioned in the Video other than utilizing a dead space behind the Compressor Fridge.
Thanks, a great piece.
Glad you like it!
Excellent vid. Thanks
Glad you liked it!
Seems like these changes are quite good just common sense. Thanks for this clear information.
Yes, nothing bad about them! Just means things need to be done a little differently 😁
Well done, very informative video.,
Thank you! 😁🙏🏼
My question is can those individual fusing for the solar panels be located on the roof inside a box and the main fuse located at your inside panel?
Hey guys we met at the show and we were living next to the hip camp in Burrum heads I hope you both are doing well. Love you content and have been a long follower.
Anyway just a question about insurance which company are you guys with for the car/caravan? this would help us and a lot of other maybe do a seperate segment on this topic.
We’ve answered this a few times in our Ask us Anything videos. Insurance isn’t great - there isn’t anything out there that will cover such an expensive caravan or the contents. If you watch the second last Ask us Anything we even give a link to our broker for 4x4 insurance 😁 th-cam.com/video/CMhj83lNmsE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=-NuZVdl3wPRwpnu5
Great to see Enerdrive and Titanium all over it, again. I suspect this is a bit of legislation that happens from Nov 18 orders going forward? Not retrospectively placed for orders and builds in place?
Did you watch the video? 😁
Well done, very informative video, Remi has covered it well…. still makes you wonder how the powers to be will police this when people still do their own DIY installation
Yes. It will be very interesting to see!
12V is ELV
DIY is no issue
Just can't do 240V wiring DIY
No issue until a fire happens, because most DIY have no concept of what they are doing. @@bencole9936
Hey Remi, This is what you and the lads were talking about @ Benchmark.
Are plastic battery boxes OK? Both of our batteries are in individual box, totally sealed.
Thanks for the info :) I can't see why an individual fuse is required for each solar panel though. The advantage of having a series-configured panel is that you don't need to run thicker gauge cable. It doesn't make sense to run separate cables (thicker gauge to avoid voltage drop) back to the van.
Doesn't apply to a series array, only a parallel configuration of 3 or more strings.
@@denniskied5568 Have you got a link where this is written? You're relying on the inspector to figure out the difference between both configurations.
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I noticed Remi gives a good explanation of how to seal and secure the access lid to the battery compartment under the seat cushion. However, there is an air vent in the seat section so I presume that has to be sealed up as well?
Yep! That’s correct
Thanks for the informative video. My question is, does this new standard only affect caravans or camper trailers and Ute back/slide on?
Are they mobile?
Sounds like its a good idea to ventilate the battery box anyway. I was thinking about doing this for a while anyway. On the matter of warning labels, it would be great if any manufacturer could direct us to where we can buy the safety labels.
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Bunnings and Jaycar would prob have most of the labels we need.
, thanks for this. I am upgrading the 12v system in an older Jayco discovery, no Inverter, how will this affect m - it's DIY?.
Is the new regulations retrospective for older vans to be brought up to compliance?
Thanks again
I would strongly suggest you contact your insurance company and get their requirements.
No
Your mods were completed before the new rules were brought in
Great video guys.
I’m confused when you keep saying
“ non habital spaces “, once you are inside the caravan.
Isn’t anywhere inside a caravan, a place that you live in ?
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No. For example, can’t be placed on or near the bed, but can still go under it.
Yep I totally agree with you.
@@tightlines21 are you seriously saying that. It does not make any sense what so ever. I can tell you now that if those batteries catch fire that non habitable area wont be so habitable.
@@4GH440 Yes Greg. Batteries are commonly placed under the bed area, for example, the Cub series.
I tried to get a copy of the standard but all I could get without paying $190 was a preface which gives reference to a competent person.just what the standard says about who is a competent person and and i can still do my own low voltage dc canopy setup with no external ac influence
We have heard it’s hard to come by!
Also of note, the LPG standard was updated a few years ago with MAJOR safety changes.
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Is the link somewhere for the standards ?
Does the new standard require double pole isolation per solar panel
Thanks for the informative vid guys.
Question for your next vid - is there any issue or what are the new requirements for mounting a lithium phosphate battery inside a vehicle cabin? ie behind the seat of a dual cab. Thanks
Great question!!
Doesnt apply to a car. 2 reasons, 1) The vehicle is not a habitable area, i.e. you dont sleep in the car (unless you have had a few too many bevies) & 2) The car is not connected to the grid (at the start of the video they state the 3 criteria that the standard applies to). My interpretation anyway.
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Many Australian homeless people are sleeping in their cars.
@@brianwalker1933 if they're homeless doubt they could afford a lithium battery
I have read a few of the comments and some people seem a little confused over what the new standard applies to.........basically if your van / ute canopy / camper trailer can be connected to any Australian commercial electrical grid then the standard applies. e.g. caravan park power (unless it is a remote area that is powered by their own generators)
This is not only for your safety but also for the safety of anybody else connected to the grid, as a fault in your van may actually impact on someone else connected to the same grid.
In conclusion, if you have no ability to connect to the grid e.g. no external 15Amp socket to connect to a commercial power grid, then you can do what you want with your battery /solar / generator setup.
Even though this standard is not retrospective I envisage that eventually it will be applied to when you sell your van or if you rent it out, which is very similar to how the Government went about installing RCD's and smoke detectors into houses in pre-standard dwellings.
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Do the "boxing" and ventilation etc. requirements apply to AGM batteries too as I am not intending to upgrade mt current set up to lithium at any time in the future
I have two AGM batteries 100aHr fed by one single solar panel on the roof of my slide on camper.
I have 12v system through an Anderson Plug to the car battery - regular lead acid from supercheap
I have 240v plug in for caravan park etc. power access to keep batteries charged,
I have a dc dc controller thar decides what to use, where to direct the power, turn off what is not needed and continues to feed the fridge, lights, power points for recharge of phone etc, and the fans overnight.
Hi! This video is no longer manned by Enerdrive - so best ask questions to them directly 🤗
Regarding solar in series, do you have to fuse them individually or per series configuration? Because normally you would series them on the roof before coming in.
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Love the Van, only one thing got on my nerves, it's a me thing and wil probs be told to harden up, the bloke doing all the explaining keeps saying bat tery its battery, now I feel better
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I agree. Learn to say battery!! 🙄🤪
Thanks for that. I can't watch the video now
He is saying the word correctly. It’s a batt-er-ree not a bat-tree 👍🏽
Ok so a habital area has to be vented . Where do we stand if we install a slimline lithium behind the rear seat in a vehicle or the rear of a station wagon type arrangement ???
And why arent battery suppliers issuing a detailed warnings re compliance requirements..??
Only apply if you have an external 15A power input you may have one in a campervan or motorhome unlikely you have one on a car.
If you only have a solar panel or a dcdc charger charging a slimline battery behind a seat the regulation does not apply
What's the go if I want to add a second lithium battery to my current system, after the new law comes in? Does my whole system now have to comply?
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My understanding one would put a circuit breaker just after and before the solar charger for lighting strikes on the panels which does happen, can not see how a battery can leak gas from it when it is in-case in plastic container totally ,sounds like its away for Enerdrive to sell more stuff. I built a slide-on camper with shut off circuit breakers on each step to the batteries and after them put in co2 and lpg gas ,other gas leak equipment so far have not had any leaking from the batteries because there sealed.
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I tried to google for the new laws but could not find any new or websites, can you please provide a link to the new laws so that I can read up on them. Fromm what you said in the video it only applies to new caravans that are registered for the first time after the 18 November is this correct?
From the video it appears that as3001 is a new Australian standard. Australian standards are not legally enforceable unless that are referenced in acts of legislation, e.g. as3000 is referenced in the electrical safety act. The new standard would be a subset of as3000
I’d love to but we don’t have a link - the guys from Enerdrive gave us all the info! Sorry about that.
You need to have access to the Standards under subscription, or pay for it. They often cost hundreds of dollars. NOT available free on the internet to mere mortals. @@AussieDestinationsUnknown
Anyone have a link to the new standards?
Thanks for pointing out that the lithium, iron batteries are safe my boss has been seeing the battery fires on tv and is worried about the van we are going to check out so she is going to watch this even if she doesn’t want to.
Personally I felt that comment by the gentleman was misleading but ultimately wrong. Lithium phosphate batteries can undergo thermal runaway in certain circumstances. This can be due to overcharging, damaged batteries etc. Tesla vehicles (to name one) have Lithium phosphate batteries and there are more than one report of them catching fire due to thermal runaway. I am also greatly concerned that he considers where the batteries are located is not considered a habitable area. Come on its installed under a sofa in a caravan where people live and sleep. I really would like to see the actual definition of habitable area.
TH-cam solar Circuit breaker fires
@@4GH440even put in a box out side still will go up fast you carnt get around it probably best to stay away from them batterys and in time a safer battery will be invented I hope , it's all still young learning at the moment and they pushing hard to make a buck selling them
@@4GH440please stop being a worry wart safety first at the cost of all life mong. Lifepo4 batteries are very safe and only vent if there's been a major problem and its likely if installing them you're removing lead/acid or agm batteries that vent all the time when charging also can produce flammable gas and are filled with acid!
FYI, I have had a metal case prismatic Lifep04 3v cell catch fire in my RV. Fortunately I was in attendance and was able to extinguish it with a powder fire extinguisher. Your claim that an Lifep04 will not catch fire was not my experience. I was also under the impression they were totally safe until this incident. All BMS data showed it was within specs.
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Is a baddery similar to a battery?
Will let you work that one out 👍🏼
Hi guys. I have just bought a second hand motorhome (1998). Who could I take it to, to be able to get it upgraded please (I am very new to all this).
It’s ok - the rules apply to new vans so you will be fine! If you did want upgrades done we highly recommend Suncoast Caravan Service on the Sunshine Coast 😁
@@AussieDestinationsUnknown Thanks so much for the recommendation, I am inland from the Sunny Coast, so not too far. I do want to make sure everything is safe, so I will organise them to look at it for me. Thanks again. 🙂
Do you have to completely contain your batteries, eg cover with ? To be safe and do you need vents to airate area ? Under bed or couch, which is inhabitable living areas ?
These batteries are prone to catch fire, truthfully,are they safe ?
Why have or are selling your vehicle ?
Do you have lithium batteries in it ??
Our van complies with all regulations. We’ve sold our truck as we are built in the 2024 model and yes, our trucks have Enerdrive systems in them
Thought all this was or should have been in a long time ago all basic 12v safety but the big shift to lithium has pushed more safety regulations and all the chinese crap systems being used has the authoritys worried.I couldn't sleep in a caravan if it had lithium system that wasn't prooven or from companies like enerdrive or redarc. Nice setup 👌
Thanks 😁👍🏼
As soon as you can land a dart backwards then your van should be legal, the current situation is saying that the government and road authorities can make law's that apparently circumvent the law's of physics. The new ranger look's to handle a towing worse than ever and this Christmas numbers of them pulling vans that really need something bigger than a crusier. Had a few of those heart in the mouth watching it all go down moment's in a week 🤦 and the whole caravan industry and community are caught up with some fuses and stickers that logically should have already been fitted.
It’s a bit of a messed up system - have to agree with you there
Are these national or state based standards?
National 👍🏼
The new laws do they cover hole of Australia
Sure do! 👍🏼
So is your and new van safe? What have you done with your older/ new machine car ?
Why are you selling it ?
Yes everything we have is safe. We are selling the truck as our 2024 model is ready to be built. We don’t need two 🤪
This is the beginning of the end for Fly-By-Night poor quality import Caravans and Campers.
Hopefully all the dodgy (including some big-name brand) Caravan builders pull their fingers out and make their trailers safe, secure and compliant.
Auto Electricians also need to be held accountable for poor quality Electrical Work such as unfused Anderson plugs and non-compliant AS 2513 plugs.
Totally agree mate 🙌🏼
They still sell vans overweight
These rules won't change anything ... just an excuse to increase prices to "comply"
Its only the battery that has changed thats all for show 🤣
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So if anyone that just bought their van, it's going to cost them a small fortune?
Did you watch the video? 😁
It has no impact on caravans already sold, its new legislation from a set date so all vans sold from that point must comply. Hope that helps.
Is there a link to the standards?
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Nope
Your modifications were completed prior to the roll-out date 😉
@@bencole9936 my build was, yes. But the modifications will be after the roll-out date. I currently do not have an inverter or Dc to dc charger. Both will be done after Xmas.
Panels in parallel fused ... not series ?
Solar CB ... seen plenty of them catch fire while switching
All sounds like someone pissing into the wind
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State or federal?
Australia wide 👍🏼
Omfg, is that your new rig ??
The slate grey one? Yes 😁
So this is for new vans only, nothing to do with old vans?
We cover all that in the video - new vans, yes👍🏼
What if you sell the van? Is it part of the road worthy?
So new vans and old vans are legal
It's about time for caravan's to be a separate license.
Yes, agree
Also separate license for four-wheel-drive Utes !
We’ve been saying this for a long time now! 👍🏼
If it's so easy, why no do it as advocates?
Another vent for dust.
Lifepo4 batteries to Australian standards don’t give off gases when charging they are a sealed unit (so why put them in a sealed box) also they have a BMS to regulate high/low temperature under/over current this prevents thermal run away unlike AGM batteries which give off gas when charging because they are vented also there is no BMS. That’s why Lifepo4 batteries are a much better choice for safety reasons. Do yourself a favour and upgrade to Lifepo4 for safety and more power.
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Be careful with Lithium batteries. They have caused a lot of fires.
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Hahahaha Lithium + phosphate yeah na, never putting that under where my kids sleep.
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An Australian standard is not legislation. Even if it is a good idea to comply with the standard it is not law.
Many Australian Standards are legislated by governments into law, they then become mandatory.....this standard has been made mandatory.
@@kadachiman7234 Can you provide a link to said legislation please?
That's very irresponsible or naive saying LiPo wet batteries can't suffer thermal runnaway. Even solid state lithium can but they don't burn the same due to no flammable electrolyte.
LiPo and lifePo4 are different.
LiPo can have thermal runaway that’s why industry don’t use them
So don't have a 15a plug on the outside and non of it matters... Easy.
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Wish govt would get out of our lives.. more govt, more rules, more costs..
I feel it’s only going to get worse 🫣
😂The authorities sure are worried about these crappy Chinese Lithium batteries, that are highly renowned for their "self ignition" qualities!!
You can rely on them to be unreliable, as far as safety is concerned.
Quality first!
There is no such thing invented today as a fire supresnt for a lithium battery fire , mabe these lithium fosfrate batteries are safer who knows time will tell , the gas thing is an issue do they have problems with them letting off gasses and why , all i know is dont buy elcheapo Chinese made batteries that contain any electronics and lithium in them solspate or not 😮 buy expensive Aussie made stuff if thats available , and good luck , im still sticking to deep cycle batteries for the time and see what happens in a few years time , something safer and better should come i hope
Lithium batteries will burn underwater !!!!. Several reported cases of idiots backing electric car into water to launch boat only to cause a fire in the components with the fire continuing with the batteries fully submerged.
99% of lithium cells are made in China
Australian made means they were put together here using Chinese parts
Definition of bomb ?
Combustible material that's confined
Nothing will suppress a lithium battery once it starts ... vented uninhabited enclosure or not inside or outside the van
Itech batteries are made in china...
They're doing it with guns too. Changing the laws on everything Australians like to do in their spare time. It needs to stop.
Clamping down on our fun! 😐
No.
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Instal a gender.
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Lets face it currently new builds are all taking onboard and utilising the new standards coming in.
Older vehicles are legal and are grandfathered stop panicking and misleading people
Take it as you want. It’s an informative video done by the guys at Enerdrive with us for people who want to know what’s going on 👍🏼
Take it as you want. It’s an informative video done by the guys at Enerdrive with us for people who want to know what’s going on 👍🏼
You guys want Patreon support and you're cruising around with THAT?? Oh and I just checked your tow vehicle. You want MY financial support? Yeah nah. You're rich, support yourself.
It’s very obvious that you have zero understanding about how this works. And with negativity like that we’d prefer you don’t watch our content. Have a great day mate.
Well I must add that even though many people distribute suspicious goods in order to supplement their usual income, I'll stick with the legal ones thanks. Jail doesn't interest me.
That's degrading to the female in the videos why is she being stage it's not professional
I’m the female in the video - and I’m not sure what you’re talking about 🤷🏼♀️
Nothing unprofessional at all, quite the opposite