@@hawkname1234 It depends who you’re up against. From what I’ve seen so far and it’s slightly less than half way I’d say Walz has performed exceptionally against the lizard man from Harvard. Vance’s sense of superiority oozes out of him like slime, he doesn’t have what Trump has, a successful TV carer. Unless there’s a clanger later this goes to Walz, Biden he isn’t, and Vance isn’t as superior as he wishes he was
Independent here. From where I was sitting Walz seemed genuinely concerned about the future of our country, and he talked about some specific policies that will get us where we want to go. AND I kinda want to move to Minnesota- sounds like a nice place.
Walz looked weak. The few times he really pushed back on Vance he immideately looked away and down, couldn`t look Vance in the eye during the confrontation. It`s about the worst thing that could happen because that will definitely turn off the bro guys that the democrats still need to win over.
@wellnative1 Seems to me you saw Shady Vance the Democrate tonight. What he said was a lot of Harris/Walz politics. He's a chameleon for sure. And he says and does whatever he thinks will get him into power
People from all over the various TH-cam sites including those not known for supporting Trump…seem to have arrived at a concensus that Vance won. I prefer to say to did the best job over saying “win”.
Vance doesn't seem to understand the job of vice president. He's accusing Harris of not doing things she has no power to do. Apparently he thinks if he becomes Vice President he'll be able to change immigration laws without consulting anyone, either the congress or even the president!
I loved the way that Walz trapped Vance into not admitting that Trump lost the 2020 election. Then saying: “that’s why you’re on the stage tonight and not Pence.”
What a great debate. As a person who works in the medical field I started laughing when Vance said migrants were overwhelming the hospital in Springfield Ohio. I just couldn't believe how much of a lie that was since I worked at that location prior to all the attention the city has gotten. It is overwhelmed because nobody wants to work at place likes this because of the low pay and horrible working condition with medical facility with a low retention rate. All, rural hospitals face this kind of problem and it is not because of migrants overflowing the hospital system. I just can't believe how much people like Vance could lie so much. After, all this is debate is going to be old news in 48 hours.
I know a few rural medical workers in two different parts of the country with different problems. I'm wondering what "low pay and poor working conditions" means for Springfield. Out west the low pay comes from being in the lowest medicare reimbursement rate bracket despite being in a high cost of living area. Down South, "poor working conditions" meant hospital staff being assaulted by patients, families, and members of the community, who refused to believe COVID existed and accused the medical staff of murdering people "for the deep state". The staff had to wear panic buttons.
Like you said, the problems at rural hospitals have a lot more to do with the way rural governments fail to finance their health care facilities and the generally poor state of the health of people who grew up and still live in rural communities.
Reminder: The Haitians were invited. They came to work at the town's factory, which they did. They saved the factory, which saved the town. Trumpers will believe anything. he says.
@@DennisMoore664Most governments aren't rural. You mean states with big rural populations. But those state governments refuse every opportunity to help or be helped. They are all MAGA.
Recently I spent multiple occasions in a US city hospital. One thing became clear. Without immigrants, be they specialists, doctors, nurses, phlebotomists, cleaners, cafeteria staff, or people who transport patients from one department to another, hospitals would cease to function. I've encountered people from Iran, the UK, Kazakhstan, Nigeria, India, Russia, Pakistan, Somalia, Egypt, Eritrea, Uganda, Italy, and even North Dakota, just to name a few foreign countries. I'm sure rural hospitals have special difficulties but they also tend to be places where immigrants, to put it tactfully, are often not understood or do not have a community they can turn to for help or advice.
We reelected Walz after the riots and the pandemic because is is capable and effective. The reason we got all those important laws passed here in MN is because he can build consensus. Democrats only had a one seat advantage in the State Senate and just 6 in the house. We have a significant rural population here he built bridges with. He can stand on his record and on the notable success of our state. What you don’t understand about Walz is exemplified in this Maya Angelou quote: “I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel.” People can feel his honesty and genuineness.
If you think Vance won, you’re too focused on style. He was smoother, but it came across as fake because he’s been crazy out on the stump. We got a demonstration of Walz’s ability to disarm his opponents. WALZ = AUTHENTICITY; VANCE = I’LL SAY ANYTHING TO GET AHEAD.
Low information voters don`t know that Vance has been crazy out on the stump. If this debate or clips of it reaches them they will think he is a moderate.
@@user-wk1mw9nj3i76 Most people could easily see the Lawyer in Vance, smooth talker, polished, tossing words around like a salad, but truly saying nothing honest nor helpful. That’s why Trump Lawyers are losing all his cases, no substance.
Let me tell you about Governor Walz… My 16 yr old daughter found out she would continuously loose the ability to walk in life that day she went to a Walz speech that my husband was covering. Walz came over friendly joked asked what happened, my daughter was upset and angry with her walker; she “ It’s permanent!” Walz stated: “Oh that’s not good for a young person “ Walz was very upset my daughter rushed away. After his speech he found my anger teenage daughter and said “I am sorry I shouldn’t have said that. How did it happen. “ Then he took time at a political event to talk to angry 16 year old who found out will live in a wheelchair. That’s who Walz is and has asked how she doing when he saw my husband. Governor Walz CARES About People about all of Us. The little people. This is our personal experience with Governor Walz.
That's such a kind and human response to realize what you said hurt someone, even if you didn't intend for that to happen, and to want to make amends. JD Vance would've just doubled down, and that tells me everything I need to know.
@@rfernandezlorain Thank you for asking unfortunately she has hyper mobility Ehlers Danlos Syndrome, POTS, and an undiagnosed condition that causes her have high fevers of 99-104 at least 4-6 XS weekly for over a year and a half. She continues to battle and stay positive but honestly it’s been hard. Thank you for asking. We all have our struggles. ❤️🩹
Walz is so normal. Give people credit for being able to see through Vance. Plus there is no such thing as an undecided voter. They just haven’t decided if they want to tell anyone their choice
Well, people haven't been able to see through Trump's nakedly transparent image for almost 10 years now, so I'm not sure I'm willing to bet on them doing that with Vance.
@@robinmattheussen2395 I'm with you. I know people who are otherwise smart, who support the Trump/Vance ticket and believe the election was stolen. They have a justification for everything. It amazes me the amount of mental gymnastics they must do to to believe what they believe. I am sure a lot of people won't see through JD lies because he said them so comfortably and naturally. I bet the people I spoke about at the beginning of this comment will say that JD destroyed Walz tomorrow .
No one is giving Walz credit for the fact that he set the mood of that debate. All the journalists kept saying it was civil and warm but no one is pointing out that Walz actually did that. Vance came in hard, and kind of rude, calling him Tim repeatedly, but as it went on you saw him melt every time Walz gave him the benefit of the doubt or suggested that Vance wanted to work on issues as much as Walz did. You could actually see Vance adapting to fit/please Walz in real time. To the point Vance actually said several things that were almost left leaning. That made me realize Walz can really work with people on both sides of the aisle to maybe get some things done in a government that struggles to do anything! And while he’s getting torn apart for not debating in a certain way, he really spoke to me and I felt like he was explaining issues in an interesting way, by using his life experiences to make them more vivid. The topics weren’t just sound bites to him, they felt real and you could see the consequences that some policies have.
I absolutely agree. Walz ran the whole mood and it was my big takeaway as well. A man to actually unite people and find the middle ground. I thought he did a great job and I love him even more.
I love most of your analyses, but it really shows the difference between political pundits analysis and regular people. I’m in Law School and Vance definitely won ”the debate” if judged by professionals. However, I watched the debate with three non-professional regular people including one Trump leaning voter, and all three loved Walz. They understood and felt without my prompting that he is a leader looking for solutions and that Vance is a politician trying to give the right answer. Even the Trump leaner shifted to trusting Walz and by extension Kamala, saying “Look, I don’t like Kamala, but Walz is like my high school baseball coach, and if he trusts her to look out for people like us, I believe him.”
@@wellnative1yeah, a lot of ordinary people who are not full blown Maga cult seem to be commenting with disdain for Vance's slickness and lies, vs. Walz's sincerity. Even people who may have had doubts about Harris. Part of me gives a technical win to Vance as he made more points (although many were lies) and not enough of them were refuted by Walz., when they could/should have been. But at the end of the day, his constant lies that Harris was responsible for everything wrong in America and that Trump had done a great job for ordinary Americans during his presidency, will only ring true with the substantial minority in a right wing media silo, who do not bother to google the actual facts about crime, wage movement and job creation during the Trump presidency and Biden's term.
Walz looked like a dad, uncomfortable in a fancy suit and you knew that the slick Ivy Leaguer debater was probably going to run circles around him (and he did). The thing that resonated with me is that under the Republicans, women and children are dying but where Walz is in charge, women and children are protected, respected and taken care of. That he was able to make clear. Total dad energy. Don't underestimate that.
It's like E.T. puts on it's catless man-baby Shady JD skin and tries out a new personality every single time, but never quite figures out how to pretend to be a human being convincingly.
Tim Walz came across as an authentic, caring person who can be trusted to abide by the constitution and the rule of law. His question to JD Vance about whether Trump lost the 2020 election was the highlight of the debate.
@paperniceness The difference is that she actually had valid policy you can see for yourself. Trump and Vance have "concepts". Oh yeah, and how do you feel about Trump saying he wants to eliminate overtime pay this past weekend?
Small focus groups have value: they poll participants before and after and if they shift their position it does have significance. Although they’re purely qualitative, they allow for nuanced data. 5 out of 6 is actually very telling (if they were indeed undecided prior to the debate).
Edited: Unfortunately… they both appeared to do well. However, Vance lied and was not genuine and definitely was swarmy. I am with Sarah- I cannot stand him. 😵💫 Walz was genuine, compassionate, passionate, and honest. I hope people really see Walz and see right through Vance. 🤞🏻
It would be great if that is what people take away from it. I wasn't happy with the crew's normalizing of Vance's media relations/debate class suck up routine.
I thought Walz won the debate. Vance pivoted away from answering any questions. JD seemed to be promoting himself as the next president while Walz was pushing Kamala forward. Us common folk enjoyed the Walz persona.
@@jasondavis9490Actually his answer was very clear: Trump lost and you know perfectly well that I’m not going to say so, so why did you ask such a stupid question?
Smarmy, slick eyeliner guy vs. genuine, down-to-earth, honest guy. Walz did fine being real. Vance did fine being slick. Walz should be vice-president. Vance should sell time shares.
😂 omg Vance is exactly like the timeshare guy. I knew he came off like a slime ball salesman, but not which flavor. You hit the nail on the head. Timeshare sales is such a scam only a particular kind kind of con-man can do that work
Agreed! JD Vance was acting different compared to when he is out on the campaign. Vance tries to gaslight us with all the terrible things Trump did as if it was all good for our country. Tim stayed to his character compared to the chameleon JD Vance.
That's a good analogy ; Vance just changes his programming to suit his needs at the time. One year he despises Trump, the next year he miraculously believes in everything Trump says. .... yup, I wonder what he will believe the next time he reprograms himself?
Have to admit that J.D. Vance was the better debater but, Tim Walz was better than expectations. J. D. Vance definitely avoided answering the questions and hit the talking points that he wanted to. Tim Walz was definitely too midwest and missed the opportunities to pin the lies and misinformation on the republican ticket. So many details to hit at this point but, I still feel like the Harris/Walz ticket is the easy choice. Trump/Vance are still the used car salesmen who are out to take you for all they can get from you.
Anyone saying Vance won this debate is admitting they can be won over by a smarmy smooth talker. I worry about your life decisions. As for me, I''ll take the less polished guy who wants to meet in the middle and get things done to help the country move forward.
Just because people say Vance won the debate doesn't mean they liked his performance. I can't stand the guy, hated how he behaved and thought he didn't answer a single question. But considering the job now is to convince low interest voters (who don't know who Vance is) I think yes, he probably won this debate. We'll see when we get some more concrete numbers.
I think Walz succeeded most, during the second half, in bringing JD to his level of nice. He got JD to agree with him and thank him often on solutions. Walz is a legislator not a politician, he comes from the position of solutions it rhetoric! I am biased because my vote is for Harris/Walz because our democracy depends on it.
I like Walz and believe fervently that trump must be beaten but the fact that he “ misspoke” about his time in Hong Kong is troubling and I just know much will be made of it. The irony is that practically every single thing trump and Vance say is a lie-America seems untroubled by this.
Unfortunately, too many are getting into the fray just with this debate. They are unaware of the massive lies and disgusting comments and actions Vance has shown. Walz did the best he could under the circumstances without fact-checking, and Walz addressed the questions. .
I thought Vance may have improved his image. However, I thought Walz turned out to be a better debater than he said he was. Walz, being a governor, shared his knowledge and experience to govern and solve real problems. Walz did point out the mistakes of Vance. The overall “amiability feelings” of the debate was positive as compared the “bad feelings“ created in the previous debate. I thought Walz knows his stuff. He could lead in an emergency. I am sick of attacking in politics. Walz had some opportunities he missed to react to, however, Walz did react to many things. I enjoyed the civility ALOT . I thought Walz really did a good job because he was first of all authentic and secondarily explain how his policies, very similar to Harris’s policies were so effective and beneficial in his state, Minnesota.
Of course the Chinese stuff is silly and doesn't matter, but I have to say that I thought Walz' answer was one of the worst in debate history though. He should have just said "I must have gotten some dates mixed up, sorry about that", but instead he gave the most incoherent rambling ever. No harm done I think, but it was really bad.
That’s the moment I loved him the most. He kept it real and I will take a slightly flawed and honest person over anyone fake. America needs someone who can be honest.
@@robinmattheussen2395 I chose not to watch the debate. Please Trump campaign air the incoherent ramblings so Harris can compare her VP against the top of their ticket with one example after another.
@@SayAlotmore The sad reality is that Trump's insanity is already baked in. When Trump says something insane, people go "hahaha, good ol' Trump!". When another candidate says something weird, his career is over. It's bizarre and frankly a little insane that everything Trump does is now considered just "normal", but it really feels like this is the case.
Woof, that was ruff. I will say this about the debate: one of the people on stage appeared just as we know him to be. The other guy was playing a role that was the opposite of who he is. If anyone believed his BS, I feel sorry for them. But if it swayed anyone towards Trump, then I feel sorry for us all.
@@solitary_journey120 exactly. I know msnbc is always framed as more “left leaning,” but they have been the most honest about Vance and Trump this cycle. Maddow did a great job calling out Vance’s comments that we are in a “late Republican period”…which Tim did pick up on…but I don’t know sometimes what focus groups Sarah is doing. I’m in Wisconsin and they are NOT what I am seeing or hearing. And the post debate focus focus groups are NOT at all negative about Walz. The j6 question was terrible for Vance, and one young guy pointed out astutely that Vance constantly tying Harris to “why hasn’t she done it for 4 years” was she’s the VP…it’s not her job!!!!
We are in a unique situation. You don't want anyone painting Walz as the real power. He comes off as supportive, caring and sincere. He doesn't seem like someone who will be pulling Kamala's strings. His softness makes Kamala look even stronger and more in command, but you trust him to have her back. You're all grading according to the public speaking checklist. If this were speech class, Vance would get an A. It's not. Walz does not come off as a slick politician, and Americans are averse to slick, career politicians right now. You can protest as much as you like, but I do think you guys got it wrong.
I agree. I was watching Roland's post debate show, and although disappointed with some missed opportunities on Walz's side, they absolutely had Vance in the crosshairs for slickness, lies and his non answer on Jan 6. And the social media feeds they were following during the discussion were bringing up the same issues.
Except that about 1/2 this country has fallen for Trump's lies, and Vance is an even more skilled and less principled and of course "Christian" liar. Gods help us, really. These guys, with Project 2025 behind them, and all of the ultra Right, are NOT messing around. They mean to win this fight to become an authoritarian state at any cost. I'm sorry to paint such a bleak picture, but we've been forewarned for all the years Trump has been their forerunner.
Tim Walz did what we all keep saying we want: he stood his ground when he needed to, but he did try to find common ground. Isn't that what we have to do if we are ever going to get rid of the horrible division Donald Trump created? Walz gave us a great example for healing that division. He stayed calm, consistently brought civility, but he made it clear that Vance's not accepting the 2020 election results was a bridge too far. He did NOT let Vance get away with that.
It seems the Republicans on this podcast and elsewhere hoped and expected to see Walz destroy Trump and Vance with this debate, which is ironic as they failed to regain control of their party from maga and keep trump off the Republican ticket. So who are the real losers?
Walz is experienced in winning honestly, but also maintaining his disarming charm and lack of hostility. Vance was surprised that his own demeanor mellowed. That's how he governed in Minnesota.
I have to say....that was the warmest Debate ever!!! JD and Tim both agreed with each other but ULTIMATELY JD looked like he was in AWE of TIM MOST of the time!!
JD Vance was slick but he never had an answer on health care, child care, reproductive rights, democracy, safer gun laws, housing, etc He tied every issue to immigration and energy.
Walz was more tactful with his words, but what everyone heard was "You're here and Pence isn't, because Pence has integrity and you don't." The fact that he clearly communicated that without spelling it out will resonate with people more than anything else in this debate.
Pence’s "integrity" was deplorably lacking in his political and governing life, but it thankfully emerged after he spoke to numerous advisors about overthrowing the Constitution.
Tim Walz did a great job and acted like a regular American. We are in great hands with Tim. Does not matter if he was the smoothest speaker… he was a real person.
All I know is when I hear Tim saying certain trigger phrases or stuff that makes common sense and then I hear JD Vance. My brain keeps going back to, but he just said the executive branch can’t do any of that stuff so why is he saying that Kamala should’ve done something if she couldn’t do anything.
I appreciated that Walz came across as human being, trying to answer questions honestly - and Vance was a fast-talking slick politician. I agree that Walz missed opportunities, but Vance just spewed a hose of misinformation.
I dunno what some of you commentators watched, but Walz did a great job without telling slimy lies. Some of the post-analysis here was spot on, some other takes from you folks was literal horseshit - aimed at Walz - from obvious disdain for the man. They both did well here. One a seasoned debater who couldn't admit his boss lost the last election...and one not as well versed in debates, but well versed in being a human and a leader who knows how to speak truth.
I completely agree with you. He is as dangerous and ambitious an individual as I've ever seen, and that is really saying something. The actual fork-tongued golden snake with the unreal blue eyes.
Oh sorry guys there is one more comment I wanted to make. Again regular guy here but one of the things that I liked about Tim was that instead of making everything seem so big and worldly he took what he knows about his state in Minnesota and the things that are similar to what Harris wants to do made it much more relatable so he wasn’t talking in big giant terms he was making it very specific and very down to terms for people who may not be all engrossed in the details of everything at least that’s how it came across to me. Now, as far as JB vans the only consistent thing I kept hearing from him was Kamala bad she’s bad. Don’t listen to Kamala cause she’s bad and that’s it.
Who cares about the Tianneman sq bs. Vance had to walk back and admit he misspoke in the very next question. Some of talk (cough Sarah) seem way too focused on on Walz’ missteps and not Vances’s insincerity
No, it's totally fine for him to admit that he misspoke. That was the right answer. But before saying that he gave a completely incoherent two minute answer that was probably the worst one I had ever heard in a debate. It's not that big a deal in the big picture, but it was a terrible answer.
@@robinmattheussen2395 my point was is that they both had to admit to misspeaking, and Sarah ignored that altogether…and I don’t care about somebody being off on dates by 6 weeks 35 years ago. I wouldn’t be able to tell you exactly where I was when the Berlin Wall fell-and yes. I’m old enough to remember
She’s so locked into her bias…has she not lived all over the US? Josh Shapiro is completely unelectable in many parts of the country…the West Coast…the Southwest…he’s just not 😎 calm and collected…Dems have only won with candidates that are not pugilists. Look at both Democratic Senators from Georgia…that’s the future of Democratic leadership.
I think that he failed in that he didn't "go for the jugular" which is what most political analysts and Democratic partisans want. As a result they overreact. But I don't think the average person cares. The only things people will remember are the China thing (although it really wasn't explained well) and Vance dodging the question about certifying the election. In the end none of this moves the needle.
Debate almost went as I suspected, Vance is so slick and Walz a little clumsy, but I think and hope it will age well for Dems. Walz nailed him on Jan 6 and Vance’s habitual lies and creepiness all came into focus.
Vance is a good debater. He was smooth, confident, and was controlled enough to sound like he was being reasonable. This is the veneer that makes people think that some MAGA politicians are stronger figures. If somebody is uneducated, uninformed, and unable to think critically, I can see how they could be taken in. What I truly wish that people would do is actually think beyond style to substance. Vance stands on an empty platform that he fills with whatever he can to advance himself. Tim Waltz, on the other hand, may misspeak and not be as polished a speaker, but he stands for what is right for the country. His empathy for others is not an act that serves only his thirst for power. He stands on the right side of the rule of law - the side that is invested in protecting the people, supporting them in their struggles and times of need, and genuinely trying to foster growth for those who need it. Ultimately, this debate did very little to change my mind. But then again, it was perhaps a reminder that when all is said and done, the VP really does their best when we hear nothing about them. They do not make policy decisions (I’m talking to you, Vance!), they support the principal, and they wait in the wings until disaster or heinous mistakes shine the media spotlight on them. Let us hope that Waltz will hold down the fort and support Harris from the shadows and that Vance will disappear into the ether for good.
Walz survived. No major disasters or gaffes or mistakes- this is worth celebrating. I was concerned Vance would troll Walz with some dig, carefully crafted to get under his skin or set him off on some easily meme-able rant, which when taken out of context or framed in an intellectually dishonest way, would make Walz seem unstable or unsuitable. So the fact that Walz was at times not smooth or polished or very articulate, is perhaps unfortunate, but for better or worse, the VP debate will not dramatically change the contours of the race. I think the Walz team may have psyched themselves out and played not to lose instead of playing to win. But again, this its not a normal presidential election- it’s bigger than policy differences or the latest political issue of the week. And smart folks keep saying, “we’re not voting for Perfect, we’re voting for President,” which I think helps put things in perspective.
I'd agree with this. The break definitely helped Walz; he looked tense and taken aback at first with Vance's lies and non-answering of questions. Vance came across as way too slick, slick in the 'I will take everything you own and have no remorse' kind of way. Walz faltered a couple of times, but came across as human, caring, and 'normal'. If the Trump campaign thinks they got a win tonight...they're wrong. But it did give us a glimpse of Vance 2028.
Walz was very forthright and his own good self. Vance was mostly smooth, but obviously wasn't invested. I'm voting for Harris/Walz. Honesty, courtesy, forthright, factual.
That was Vance's mission - appear reasonable. Walz should not have agreed with Vance so much. Walz needed to end every response reminding the audience how extreme Vance's beliefs are. Call him out on his public positions...and especially his Project 2025 Plan beliefs.
If you forget all the insanity that Vance has spewed on the campaign trail and if you didn't listen to the substance of what Vance said, you might think he came across as reasonable. This is what we get for living in a country that values style over substance.
The commenter class is hilarious. The feedback from most of these guys is Walz lost, while user comments across the board are talking about the warmth and realness of Walz. So you just have to ask yourselves, what impressed most voters and how will that affect the choice they have to make. To me it's pretty clear.
Honestly I find your shallow perception hard to fathom. Lying is strong? Vance wore eyeliner but he came off as more serious? Do you hear yourselves? I think you've been in the rationalization zone too long. Yeah it wasn't a great performance for Walz, he does better with personal interactions but he came off as direct, relatable and knowledgeable. If you consider that a strong performance for JD - as he lied continually, couldn't admit Trump lost, talked about abortion in frankly insulting ways and generally came off like a used car salesman... I think you may want to rethink your perceptual bias and how your fear has played on it.
This felt like an old school political debate. Right down to their interaction on stage after the debate was over. Different policy views but no name calling or excess nonsense. Well done gentlemen.
Being a quick liar ain't the same as "being a good debater"
Walz NAILED IT
100%. Everyone can spot a swindler!!
Not everyone. But many.
I'm not sure about that. I think it might be.
@@janefreda7034Apparently tens of millions can't. Otherwise they wouldn't be in a cult.
@@hawkname1234 It depends who you’re up against. From what I’ve seen so far and it’s slightly less than half way I’d say Walz has performed exceptionally against the lizard man from Harvard. Vance’s sense of superiority oozes out of him like slime, he doesn’t have what Trump has, a successful TV carer. Unless there’s a clanger later this goes to Walz, Biden he isn’t, and Vance isn’t as superior as he wishes he was
As a regular voting citizen, I thought Walz was very sincere and JD Vance was deflecting for Trump.
Doing his job
That's because Walz is very sincere and Vance is deflecting for Trump so you're very much correct.
Independent here. From where I was sitting Walz seemed genuinely concerned about the future of our country, and he talked about some specific policies that will get us where we want to go.
AND I kinda want to move to Minnesota- sounds like a nice place.
Love Minnesota. Way too cold though.
Ikr, me too! I want Tim Walz to control the Gov't where I live
Walz should have separated Harris from Biden to show moving forward and away from Trump era
Same here. He did a great job for Minn. Let's do it everywhere!!
if only it wasn't so cold
I was super proud of Walz tonight. Thank you for being a real, honest, human.
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Walz is a clumsy debater, but he is honest. All Repuglicans are spineless and will do whatever Trump tells them to do.
Except the part where he lied about being in China right ? Caught red handed. 🤡
I thought JD Vance came across as too slick and Walz as a warm, human being with the better points
I wanted to see him stop being nice and take a slug. He was too agreeable
Does JD Bowman ever breathe?
Vance was smug and smarmy. Obvious he doesn’t care and Walz does.
J D is an embarrassment to Ohioans.
I watch it with 6 people, 2 of them conservatives. We all thought that Walz won and Vance was sheer BS.
hahahahahaha……
@@billcoleman4258 What now?
That's nice to hear 😊 Vance is a slick couchf'ing, liar.
@@jamesoneill2606IMHO the American people recognize the absurdity of Harris and Walz and re-elect Trump by a healthy margin.
@@billcoleman4258 Dream on
Tim Walz was himself. JD was somebody else. That's all you need to know.
I know right, which JD Vance did we get tonight? I don't know who the real JD Vance is!
I’m sure you know JD so well Jenny.
He's a smooth operator, and so agreeable.
Walz looked weak. The few times he really pushed back on Vance he immideately looked away and down, couldn`t look Vance in the eye during the confrontation. It`s about the worst thing that could happen because that will definitely turn off the bro guys that the democrats still need to win over.
@wellnative1 Seems to me you saw Shady Vance the Democrate tonight. What he said was a lot of Harris/Walz politics. He's a chameleon for sure. And he says and does whatever he thinks will get him into power
Did I watch a different debate? I thought that Gov Watz did great!!!
Yes I thought walz did great.
ditto
People from all over the various TH-cam sites including those not known for supporting Trump…seem to have arrived at a concensus that Vance won. I prefer to say to did the best job over saying “win”.
Walz is talking TO you. Vance is talking AT you.
I TOTALLY agree with this. I turned to my father half way through and said “Why do I feel like he’s talking directly to me?!”
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Vance doesn't seem to understand the job of vice president. He's accusing Harris of not doing things she has no power to do. Apparently he thinks if he becomes Vice President he'll be able to change immigration laws without consulting anyone, either the congress or even the president!
Vance belongs to a Fundamentalist Christian background call quiverfull have as many kids as possible
Vance trumped up through the debate! That’s all he knows how to do. 🤥🫡🤥
I watch the whole debate as far as I’m concerned Bravo Walz 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
I loved the way that Walz trapped Vance into not admitting that Trump lost the 2020 election. Then saying: “that’s why you’re on the stage tonight and not Pence.”
What a great debate. As a person who works in the medical field I started laughing when Vance said migrants were overwhelming the hospital in Springfield Ohio. I just couldn't believe how much of a lie that was since I worked at that location prior to all the attention the city has gotten. It is overwhelmed because nobody wants to work at place likes this because of the low pay and horrible working condition with medical facility with a low retention rate. All, rural hospitals face this kind of problem and it is not because of migrants overflowing the hospital system. I just can't believe how much people like Vance could lie so much. After, all this is debate is going to be old news in 48 hours.
I know a few rural medical workers in two different parts of the country with different problems. I'm wondering what "low pay and poor working conditions" means for Springfield. Out west the low pay comes from being in the lowest medicare reimbursement rate bracket despite being in a high cost of living area. Down South, "poor working conditions" meant hospital staff being assaulted by patients, families, and members of the community, who refused to believe COVID existed and accused the medical staff of murdering people "for the deep state". The staff had to wear panic buttons.
Like you said, the problems at rural hospitals have a lot more to do with the way rural governments fail to finance their health care facilities and the generally poor state of the health of people who grew up and still live in rural communities.
Reminder: The Haitians were invited. They came to work at the town's factory, which they did. They saved the factory, which saved the town. Trumpers will believe anything. he says.
@@DennisMoore664Most governments aren't rural. You mean states with big rural populations. But those state governments refuse every opportunity to help or be helped. They are all MAGA.
Recently I spent multiple occasions in a US city hospital. One thing became clear. Without immigrants, be they specialists, doctors, nurses, phlebotomists, cleaners, cafeteria staff, or people who transport patients from one department to another, hospitals would cease to function. I've encountered people from Iran, the UK, Kazakhstan, Nigeria, India, Russia, Pakistan, Somalia, Egypt, Eritrea, Uganda, Italy, and even North Dakota, just to name a few foreign countries. I'm sure rural hospitals have special difficulties but they also tend to be places where immigrants, to put it tactfully, are often not understood or do not have a community they can turn to for help or advice.
We reelected Walz after the riots and the pandemic because is is capable and effective. The reason we got all those important laws passed here in MN is because he can build consensus. Democrats only had a one seat advantage in the State Senate and just 6 in the house. We have a significant rural population here he built bridges with. He can stand on his record and on the notable success of our state. What you don’t understand about Walz is exemplified in this Maya Angelou quote:
“I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel.” People can feel his honesty and genuineness.
Thanks for the MN report!!!
☝️This!☝️
If you think Vance won, you’re too focused on style. He was smoother, but it came across as fake because he’s been crazy out on the stump. We got a demonstration of Walz’s ability to disarm his opponents. WALZ = AUTHENTICITY; VANCE = I’LL SAY ANYTHING TO GET AHEAD.
Agree completely
Perfectly stated.
Low information voters don`t know that Vance has been crazy out on the stump. If this debate or clips of it reaches them they will think he is a moderate.
Perfectly said.
@@user-wk1mw9nj3i76 Most people could easily see the Lawyer in Vance, smooth talker, polished, tossing words around like a salad, but truly saying nothing honest nor helpful. That’s why Trump Lawyers are losing all his cases, no substance.
Walz nailed it with the Jan 6th question. I think alot of folks were turned off by vance on that one!
Too bad that moment came so late in the debate!
Vance's reply, "Trump has problems with the 2020 election ..." WHO GIVES A FLYING F#$% if Trump has problems, observe the law and stand aside.
Let me tell you about Governor Walz… My 16 yr old daughter found out she would continuously loose the ability to walk in life that day she went to a Walz speech that my husband was covering.
Walz came over friendly joked asked what happened, my daughter was upset and angry with her walker; she “ It’s permanent!”
Walz stated: “Oh that’s not good for a young person “ Walz was very upset my daughter rushed away.
After his speech he found my anger teenage daughter and said “I am sorry I shouldn’t have said that. How did it happen. “
Then he took time at a political event to talk to angry 16 year old who found out will live in a wheelchair.
That’s who Walz is and has asked how she doing when he saw my husband.
Governor Walz CARES About People about all of Us. The little people.
This is our personal experience with Governor Walz.
More than anything, Americans need empathy. It is not balanced to be brittle and hard and heartless
That's such a kind and human response to realize what you said hurt someone, even if you didn't intend for that to happen, and to want to make amends. JD Vance would've just doubled down, and that tells me everything I need to know.
@rebecaarnold thank you for your touching story, how is your daughter ?
@@Cat-tastrophee 👍❤️🩹
@@rfernandezlorain
Thank you for asking unfortunately she has hyper mobility Ehlers Danlos Syndrome, POTS, and an undiagnosed condition that causes her have high fevers of 99-104 at least 4-6 XS weekly for over a year and a half.
She continues to battle and stay positive but honestly it’s been hard.
Thank you for asking. We all have our struggles. ❤️🩹
Walz is so normal. Give people credit for being able to see through Vance. Plus there is no such thing as an undecided voter. They just haven’t decided if they want to tell anyone their choice
Exactly 💯
Well, people haven't been able to see through Trump's nakedly transparent image for almost 10 years now, so I'm not sure I'm willing to bet on them doing that with Vance.
@@robinmattheussen2395 I'm with you. I know people who are otherwise smart, who support the Trump/Vance ticket and believe the election was stolen. They have a justification for everything. It amazes me the amount of mental gymnastics they must do to to believe what they believe. I am sure a lot of people won't see through JD lies because he said them so comfortably and naturally. I bet the people I spoke about at the beginning of this comment will say that JD destroyed Walz tomorrow .
Agree completely, I don't believe anyone is undecided.
That makes sense.
No one is giving Walz credit for the fact that he set the mood of that debate. All the journalists kept saying it was civil and warm but no one is pointing out that Walz actually did that.
Vance came in hard, and kind of rude, calling him Tim repeatedly, but as it went on you saw him melt every time Walz gave him the benefit of the doubt or suggested that Vance wanted to work on issues as much as Walz did. You could actually see Vance adapting to fit/please Walz in real time. To the point Vance actually said several things that were almost left leaning.
That made me realize Walz can really work with people on both sides of the aisle to maybe get some things done in a government that struggles to do anything!
And while he’s getting torn apart for not debating in a certain way, he really spoke to me and I felt like he was explaining issues in an interesting way, by using his life experiences to make them more vivid. The topics weren’t just sound bites to him, they felt real and you could see the consequences that some policies have.
Walz knows how to work with people.
I absolutely agree. Walz ran the whole mood and it was my big takeaway as well. A man to actually unite people and find the middle ground. I thought he did a great job and I love him even more.
THISSSSSSSS
That is the power of being a genuine, caring human being who wants to think the best of anyone. It’s so moving.
Excellent point 🇺🇸
I love most of your analyses, but it really shows the difference between political pundits analysis and regular people.
I’m in Law School and Vance definitely won ”the debate” if judged by professionals. However, I watched the debate with three non-professional regular people including one Trump leaning voter, and all three loved Walz. They understood and felt without my prompting that he is a leader looking for solutions and that Vance is a politician trying to give the right answer.
Even the Trump leaner shifted to trusting Walz and by extension Kamala, saying “Look, I don’t like Kamala, but Walz is like my high school baseball coach, and if he trusts her to look out for people like us, I believe him.”
Wow, that's cool to hear. Thank you for sharing.
@@wellnative1yeah, a lot of ordinary people who are not full blown Maga cult seem to be commenting with disdain for Vance's slickness and lies, vs. Walz's sincerity. Even people who may have had doubts about Harris. Part of me gives a technical win to Vance as he made more points (although many were lies) and not enough of them were refuted by Walz., when they could/should have been. But at the end of the day, his constant lies that Harris was responsible for everything wrong in America and that Trump had done a great job for ordinary Americans during his presidency, will only ring true with the substantial minority in a right wing media silo, who do not bother to google the actual facts about crime, wage movement and job creation during the Trump presidency and Biden's term.
☝️THIS!☝️
I agree with Sam. I enjoyed the civility. I love Tim Walz.
Walz looked like a dad, uncomfortable in a fancy suit and you knew that the slick Ivy Leaguer debater was probably going to run circles around him (and he did). The thing that resonated with me is that under the Republicans, women and children are dying but where Walz is in charge, women and children are protected, respected and taken care of. That he was able to make clear. Total dad energy. Don't underestimate that.
Excellent point.
Actually, Walz answered the questions well and convincingly. Vance said a lot of words.
@@annakingry9157exactly!
JD Vance is an empty suit.
It's like E.T. puts on it's catless man-baby Shady JD skin and tries out a new personality every single time, but never quite figures out how to pretend to be a human being convincingly.
I understood exactly what Walz was saying and I liked it.
JVL said it: Vance was debating with a future run in mind. And he was very slick and polished. Walz was more sincere though (and that counts too).
JD Vance is the Heritage Foundation's boy. They had to get him in for nat'l election.
They plan to replace Trump with Vance as soon as they can. Trumps mental condition will be the tool. @@annakingry9157
Come ON AB!!! Walz is a solid decent man you can trust !!!!
Tim Walz came across as an authentic, caring person who can be trusted to abide by the constitution and the rule of law. His question to JD Vance about whether Trump lost the 2020 election was the highlight of the debate.
Vance lost that debate. He lied the entire time. Pivoting is not a good thing. It's dodging the question.
I agree with you, he’s a lying liar who lied all night, but I think he lost the debate only to those that watched and don’t know the facts.
Does John Q Public see the grift for what it is though? I don’t think so
That's all Kamala does in her interview not answer the question
@paperniceness The difference is that she actually had valid policy you can see for yourself. Trump and Vance have "concepts".
Oh yeah, and how do you feel about Trump saying he wants to eliminate overtime pay this past weekend?
@@paperniceness😂😂😂😂😂😂In your alternate universe
Name the issues- abortion, guns, healthcare, foreign issues, insurrection, economy, jobs,. On everyone Walz won.
NBC News just polled their focus group of 6 undecided voters in Pennsylvania who won the VP debate.
5 of 6 said Tim Walz won the debate.
6 people is not really of any significance whatsoever. I mean it's nice to hear, but completely meaningless.
Small focus groups have value: they poll participants before and after and if they shift their position it does have significance. Although they’re purely qualitative, they allow for nuanced data. 5 out of 6 is actually very telling (if they were indeed undecided prior to the debate).
Edited: Unfortunately… they both appeared to do well. However, Vance lied and was not genuine and definitely was swarmy. I am with Sarah- I cannot stand him. 😵💫
Walz was genuine, compassionate, passionate, and honest. I hope people really see Walz and see right through Vance. 🤞🏻
It would be great if that is what people take away from it. I wasn't happy with the crew's normalizing of Vance's media relations/debate class suck up routine.
*smarmy
@@jcoriha he was definitely sucking up and lied throughout. Pandering and lying for votes
I watch with other Republicans and none of us thought Vance won
The people I watched with thought it was a good debate, and Walz won on substance, manner, and specifics.
Walz came off as someone who had GOVERNED
Exactly! He spoke from experience, not making crap up that sounds good to the base.
☝️This!☝️
Yes! And comes off as someone who cares about all people, including those who don’t agree with him.
Absolutely agree.
Yes Sarah I’m mad at you for that. Walz lack of slime and slick is a huge asset
She's still not over Josh Shapiro
I would not let Vance babysit my children.
I wouldn’t let Vance babysit my pet rock.
Right. And that's the point. I bet most of America agrees with you
Walz hit the nail on the head when he called Vance creepy. He comes across as disingenuous.
Absolutely a good point. 😊
I thought Walz won the debate. Vance pivoted away from answering any questions. JD seemed to be promoting himself as the next president while Walz was pushing Kamala forward. Us common folk enjoyed the Walz persona.
Vance answered every question.
@@billcoleman4258Except the one asking if trump lost.
Walz was very specific in his answers.
@@jasondavis9490Actually his answer was very clear: Trump lost and you know perfectly well that I’m not going to say so, so why did you ask such a stupid question?
Vance sounded like a politician while Walz sounded human. Walz won when it comes to being authentic.
The most important for me is that Walz came across as ready to be the next VP and Vance as a good salesman. I am in sales.
The best line was when Tim asked, Did Trump loose the 2020 election? The winning punch 👊!!
that's tight! is it a matter of national pride being unable to spell 'lose'?
Smarmy, slick eyeliner guy vs. genuine, down-to-earth, honest guy. Walz did fine being real. Vance did fine being slick. Walz should be vice-president. Vance should sell time shares.
Here, here!
😂 Well done.
😂❤
Yes
😂 omg Vance is exactly like the timeshare guy. I knew he came off like a slime ball salesman, but not which flavor. You hit the nail on the head. Timeshare sales is such a scam only a particular kind kind of con-man can do that work
Coach the teacher did well, stop! he is a decent honest man and we appreciate him
People saw how sleazy Vance is. Walz is real and will work for America. Housing is being crushed by investment groups.
Agree!
Walz made a few flubs but he showed he was a genuine human. Human vs cyborg I vote human!
Agreed! JD Vance was acting different compared to when he is out on the campaign. Vance tries to gaslight us with all the terrible things Trump did as if it was all good for our country. Tim stayed to his character compared to the chameleon JD Vance.
Hum... What would Litman say? No impact at all...
That's a good analogy ; Vance just changes his programming to suit his needs at the time. One year he despises Trump, the next year he miraculously believes in everything Trump says. .... yup, I wonder what he will believe the next time he reprograms himself?
Exactly, thank you.
I agree with Sam Stein. Most Americans are tired of the fighting & mud slinging. This was refreshing.
Vance was cordial by the end. Walz is himself wherever he is.
Have to admit that J.D. Vance was the better debater but, Tim Walz was better than expectations. J. D. Vance definitely avoided answering the questions and hit the talking points that he wanted to. Tim Walz was definitely too midwest and missed the opportunities to pin the lies and misinformation on the republican ticket. So many details to hit at this point but, I still feel like the Harris/Walz ticket is the easy choice. Trump/Vance are still the used car salesmen who are out to take you for all they can get from you.
I will remember JD complaining “ I thought the rules were no fact checking “
How dare you fact check when I need to lie to win?!!? You moderators lied and are not playing by the rules! That is my right, not yours.
Anyone saying Vance won this debate is admitting they can be won over by a smarmy smooth talker. I worry about your life decisions. As for me, I''ll take the less polished guy who wants to meet in the middle and get things done to help the country move forward.
Just because people say Vance won the debate doesn't mean they liked his performance. I can't stand the guy, hated how he behaved and thought he didn't answer a single question. But considering the job now is to convince low interest voters (who don't know who Vance is) I think yes, he probably won this debate. We'll see when we get some more concrete numbers.
That's how he governed in Minnesota. He can work with other people. Even Vance straightened up when he was talked to, instead of talked at.
Absolutely!
@@robinmattheussen2395You may be right, until minute 90 when JD lost any headway he had made.
I think Walz succeeded most, during the second half, in bringing JD to his level of nice. He got JD to agree with him and thank him often on solutions. Walz is a legislator not a politician, he comes from the position of solutions it rhetoric! I am biased because my vote is for Harris/Walz because our democracy depends on it.
Walz is genuine, Vance is trained.
I like Walz and believe fervently that trump must be beaten but the fact that he “ misspoke” about his time in Hong Kong is troubling and I just know much will be made of it.
The irony is that practically every single thing trump and Vance say is a lie-America seems untroubled by this.
Sarah?!!! Vance did well? BS. Vance was a Gordon Gecko liar. He lied all over the place. Really sad.
Unfortunately, too many are getting into the fray just with this debate. They are unaware of the massive lies and disgusting comments and actions Vance has shown. Walz did the best he could under the circumstances without fact-checking, and Walz addressed the questions. .
Sarah is still angry that Shapiro wasn’t the VP pick. That’s the lense she’s looking through and forming her opinions.
I thought Vance may have improved his image. However, I thought Walz turned out to be a better debater than he said he was. Walz, being a governor, shared his knowledge and experience to govern and solve real problems. Walz did point out the mistakes of Vance. The overall “amiability feelings” of the debate was positive as compared the “bad feelings“ created in the previous debate. I thought Walz knows his stuff. He could lead in an emergency. I am sick of attacking in politics. Walz had some opportunities he missed to react to, however, Walz did react to many things. I enjoyed the civility ALOT .
I thought Walz really did a good job because he was first of all authentic and secondarily explain how his policies, very similar to Harris’s policies were so effective and beneficial in his state, Minnesota.
Thank you Sam. Sarah is so off the mark on this.
Walz was great. He was civil. The Chinese stuff is silly. Yes you are wrong!
Of course the Chinese stuff is silly and doesn't matter, but I have to say that I thought Walz' answer was one of the worst in debate history though. He should have just said "I must have gotten some dates mixed up, sorry about that", but instead he gave the most incoherent rambling ever. No harm done I think, but it was really bad.
That’s the moment I loved him the most. He kept it real and I will take a slightly flawed and honest person over anyone fake. America needs someone who can be honest.
@@robinmattheussen2395 I chose not to watch the debate. Please Trump campaign air the incoherent ramblings so Harris can compare her VP against the top of their ticket with one example after another.
omg. When was the last time you saw a politician blush like that? Makes me like him even more.
@@SayAlotmore The sad reality is that Trump's insanity is already baked in. When Trump says something insane, people go "hahaha, good ol' Trump!". When another candidate says something weird, his career is over. It's bizarre and frankly a little insane that everything Trump does is now considered just "normal", but it really feels like this is the case.
I think Walz won the debate because he gave qualitatively better answers than Vance.
JD Vance LAUGHED as he said 'Our hearts go out' when asked about school shootings and gun laws.
I noticed that, too. It was creepy.
Right???!!!!! 😮 Gotta meme that now!!!!
I also noticed that!
I thought I saw a smile too! No one else at my house saw the amusement on his face but me
Woof, that was ruff. I will say this about the debate: one of the people on stage appeared just as we know him to be. The other guy was playing a role that was the opposite of who he is. If anyone believed his BS, I feel sorry for them. But if it swayed anyone towards Trump, then I feel sorry for us all.
💯💯💯💯💯 well said!
Yep 👏🏻👏🏻well said, indeed 👍
Doubtful it swayed anyone
I agree with you!
I feel like I watched a different debate than these folks.
I definitely don’t agree with Sarah’s assessment.
Same. Harris/Walz have to constantly clear the high bar while trump and vance are allowed to slide under the bar by ALL media.
@@solitary_journey120 exactly. I know msnbc is always framed as more “left leaning,” but they have been the most honest about Vance and Trump this cycle. Maddow did a great job calling out Vance’s comments that we are in a “late Republican period”…which Tim did pick up on…but I don’t know sometimes what focus groups Sarah is doing. I’m in Wisconsin and they are NOT what I am seeing or hearing. And the post debate focus focus groups are NOT at all negative about Walz. The j6 question was terrible for Vance, and one young guy pointed out astutely that Vance constantly tying Harris to “why hasn’t she done it for 4 years” was she’s the VP…it’s not her job!!!!
We are in a unique situation. You don't want anyone painting Walz as the real power. He comes off as supportive, caring and sincere. He doesn't seem like someone who will be pulling Kamala's strings. His softness makes Kamala look even stronger and more in command, but you trust him to have her back. You're all grading according to the public speaking checklist. If this were speech class, Vance would get an A. It's not. Walz does not come off as a slick politician, and Americans are averse to slick, career politicians right now. You can protest as much as you like, but I do think you guys got it wrong.
I agree. I was watching Roland's post debate show, and although disappointed with some missed opportunities on Walz's side, they absolutely had Vance in the crosshairs for slickness, lies and his non answer on Jan 6. And the social media feeds they were following during the discussion were bringing up the same issues.
Except that about 1/2 this country has fallen for Trump's lies, and Vance is an even more skilled and less principled and of course "Christian" liar. Gods help us, really. These guys, with Project 2025 behind them, and all of the ultra Right, are NOT messing around. They mean to win this fight to become an authoritarian state at any cost. I'm sorry to paint such a bleak picture, but we've been forewarned for all the years Trump has been their forerunner.
Mansplaining the law to the moderators, and complaining how dare they fact checked him.
Media CANNOT avoid fact/checking when candidates lie about substantive issues. CBS should have done what ABC did.
Walz is not a dufus. He is one of us. Think Truman.
Vance contradicted many of Trump's policies in an effort to sound reasonable, and he had a smooth delivery. But lying is lying.
Sarah, you lost me.
Tim Walz did what we all keep saying we want: he stood his ground when he needed to, but he did try to find common ground. Isn't that what we have to do if we are ever going to get rid of the horrible division Donald Trump created? Walz gave us a great example for healing that division. He stayed calm, consistently brought civility, but he made it clear that Vance's not accepting the 2020 election results was a bridge too far. He did NOT let Vance get away with that.
It seems the Republicans on this podcast and elsewhere hoped and expected to see Walz destroy Trump and Vance with this debate, which is ironic as they failed to regain control of their party from maga and keep trump off the Republican ticket. So who are the real losers?
Walz is experienced in winning honestly, but also maintaining his disarming charm and lack of hostility. Vance was surprised that his own demeanor mellowed. That's how he governed in Minnesota.
I have to say....that was the warmest Debate ever!!! JD and Tim both agreed with each other but ULTIMATELY JD looked like he was in AWE of TIM MOST of the time!!
Most of what JD said came from Trump and it was questioned during the breaks
Actually, I had the uncomfortable feeling Vance was studying everything Walz said and did with nefarious aims for the future.
JD Vance was slick but he never had an answer on health care, child care, reproductive rights, democracy, safer gun laws, housing, etc He tied every issue to immigration and energy.
Walz was more tactful with his words, but what everyone heard was "You're here and Pence isn't, because Pence has integrity and you don't." The fact that he clearly communicated that without spelling it out will resonate with people more than anything else in this debate.
Pence’s "integrity" was deplorably lacking in his political and governing life, but it thankfully emerged after he spoke to numerous advisors about overthrowing the Constitution.
Tim Walz did a great job and acted like a regular American. We are in great hands with Tim. Does not matter if he was the smoothest speaker… he was a real person.
All I know is when I hear Tim saying certain trigger phrases or stuff that makes common sense and then I hear JD Vance. My brain keeps going back to, but he just said the executive branch can’t do any of that stuff so why is he saying that Kamala should’ve done something if she couldn’t do anything.
I appreciated that Walz came across as human being, trying to answer questions honestly - and Vance was a fast-talking slick politician. I agree that Walz missed opportunities, but Vance just spewed a hose of misinformation.
This debate was not an academic exercise. Walz won on answering the questions and everything else.
I dunno what some of you commentators watched, but Walz did a great job without telling slimy lies. Some of the post-analysis here was spot on, some other takes from you folks was literal horseshit - aimed at Walz - from obvious disdain for the man.
They both did well here. One a seasoned debater who couldn't admit his boss lost the last election...and one not as well versed in debates, but well versed in being a human and a leader who knows how to speak truth.
I’m in Uk ( British)and the hardest hit was TW asking JDV did T lose the election. It scored.
The takeaway: "A damning non-answer" The ads make themselves. Put Vance nice lines next to his ugly ones. An evil chameleon.
If Satan stalks the Earth, it’s in the form of J D Vance
Shady Vance! 🤣
I said to my wife “JD is Satan, but the Lucifer version…”
He comes through many forms but he is always the father of lies.
Actually, even the Devil wretches when sees Vance.
I completely agree with you. He is as dangerous and ambitious an individual as I've ever seen, and that is really saying something. The actual fork-tongued golden snake with the unreal blue eyes.
Oh sorry guys there is one more comment I wanted to make. Again regular guy here but one of the things that I liked about Tim was that instead of making everything seem so big and worldly he took what he knows about his state in Minnesota and the things that are similar to what Harris wants to do made it much more relatable so he wasn’t talking in big giant terms he was making it very specific and very down to terms for people who may not be all engrossed in the details of everything at least that’s how it came across to me. Now, as far as JB vans the only consistent thing I kept hearing from him was Kamala bad she’s bad. Don’t listen to Kamala cause she’s bad and that’s it.
I knew what Walz was saying.
Many viewers liked Walz more than did Sarah and co., thankfully
Who cares about the Tianneman sq bs. Vance had to walk back and admit he misspoke in the very next question. Some of talk (cough Sarah) seem way too focused on on Walz’ missteps and not Vances’s insincerity
No, it's totally fine for him to admit that he misspoke. That was the right answer. But before saying that he gave a completely incoherent two minute answer that was probably the worst one I had ever heard in a debate. It's not that big a deal in the big picture, but it was a terrible answer.
@@robinmattheussen2395 my point was is that they both had to admit to misspeaking, and Sarah ignored that altogether…and I don’t care about somebody being off on dates by 6 weeks 35 years ago. I wouldn’t be able to tell you exactly where I was when the Berlin Wall fell-and yes. I’m old enough to remember
Stopped watching when Sarah criticized Walz. She’s still bitter that Shapiro didn’t get the nod.
Yeah, what she said was super RUDE about Walz, Walz comes across as SINCERE.
She’s so locked into her bias…has she not lived all over the US? Josh Shapiro is completely unelectable in many parts of the country…the West Coast…the Southwest…he’s just not 😎 calm and collected…Dems have only won with candidates that are not pugilists. Look at both Democratic Senators from Georgia…that’s the future of Democratic leadership.
Walz held up ok. The ways he "failed" are how the average person would. It's endearing, understandable, relatable.
Yes, I agree.
I think that he failed in that he didn't "go for the jugular" which is what most political analysts and Democratic partisans want. As a result they overreact. But I don't think the average person cares. The only things people will remember are the China thing (although it really wasn't explained well) and Vance dodging the question about certifying the election. In the end none of this moves the needle.
CLEARLY AUTHENTIC AND CAPABLE WALS VS SLICK USED CAR SALESMAN TRYING TO SELL A LEMON
I like that Walz appeared to take notes while Vance spoke. He seemed focused even if his delivery could be better
Debate almost went as I suspected, Vance is so slick and Walz a little clumsy, but I think and hope it will age well for Dems. Walz nailed him on Jan 6 and Vance’s habitual lies and creepiness all came into focus.
So who was the real Vance.The guy on the campaign trail,or the one that lied so much on stage and pretended to be humble ?🤣🤣🤣
Vance is a good debater. He was smooth, confident, and was controlled enough to sound like he was being reasonable. This is the veneer that makes people think that some MAGA politicians are stronger figures. If somebody is uneducated, uninformed, and unable to think critically, I can see how they could be taken in. What I truly wish that people would do is actually think beyond style to substance. Vance stands on an empty platform that he fills with whatever he can to advance himself. Tim Waltz, on the other hand, may misspeak and not be as polished a speaker, but he stands for what is right for the country. His empathy for others is not an act that serves only his thirst for power. He stands on the right side of the rule of law - the side that is invested in protecting the people, supporting them in their struggles and times of need, and genuinely trying to foster growth for those who need it.
Ultimately, this debate did very little to change my mind. But then again, it was perhaps a reminder that when all is said and done, the VP really does their best when we hear nothing about them. They do not make policy decisions (I’m talking to you, Vance!), they support the principal, and they wait in the wings until disaster or heinous mistakes shine the media spotlight on them. Let us hope that Waltz will hold down the fort and support Harris from the shadows and that Vance will disappear into the ether for good.
Tim Walz APPEALED to people who knew nothing about him but what right wing media has said… He was honest and respectful, how could they NOT like him?
He survived very well Sarah.
Walz survived. No major disasters or gaffes or mistakes- this is worth celebrating. I was concerned Vance would troll Walz with some dig, carefully crafted to get under his skin or set him off on some easily meme-able rant, which when taken out of context or framed in an intellectually dishonest way, would make Walz seem unstable or unsuitable. So the fact that Walz was at times not smooth or polished or very articulate, is perhaps unfortunate, but for better or worse, the VP debate will not dramatically change the contours of the race. I think the Walz team may have psyched themselves out and played not to lose instead of playing to win.
But again, this its not a normal presidential election- it’s bigger than policy differences or the latest political issue of the week. And smart folks keep saying, “we’re not voting for Perfect, we’re voting for President,” which I think helps put things in perspective.
I'd agree with this. The break definitely helped Walz; he looked tense and taken aback at first with Vance's lies and non-answering of questions. Vance came across as way too slick, slick in the 'I will take everything you own and have no remorse' kind of way. Walz faltered a couple of times, but came across as human, caring, and 'normal'. If the Trump campaign thinks they got a win tonight...they're wrong. But it did give us a glimpse of Vance 2028.
Vance wins ln style. Walz wins on substance.
That’s what stood out to me most. He didn’t say Trump won.
Walz was very forthright and his own good self. Vance was mostly smooth, but obviously wasn't invested. I'm voting for Harris/Walz. Honesty, courtesy, forthright, factual.
That terrified me mostly because Vance came across as a reasonable human being. I mean if Trump could do that too we'd definitely be screwed.
That was Vance's mission - appear reasonable. Walz should not have agreed with Vance so much. Walz needed to end every response reminding the audience how extreme Vance's beliefs are. Call him out on his public positions...and especially his Project 2025 Plan beliefs.
If you forget all the insanity that Vance has spewed on the campaign trail and if you didn't listen to the substance of what Vance said, you might think he came across as reasonable. This is what we get for living in a country that values style over substance.
I am also terrified.
Don’t agree with Sarah at all. She once supported Nikki Haley and I’ve never forgotten that. Nikki is clearly a fake and unworthy of any support
Walz was amazing ❤️
The commenter class is hilarious. The feedback from most of these guys is Walz lost, while user comments across the board are talking about the warmth and realness of Walz. So you just have to ask yourselves, what impressed most voters and how will that affect the choice they have to make. To me it's pretty clear.
CBS Viewers: 42% picked JD Vance as the winner, 41%thought Walz did, 17% said a tie.
Don’t you think Trumpers will be side eyeing Vance now? He definitely came off coming all about himself and self promotion to me.
Honestly I find your shallow perception hard to fathom. Lying is strong? Vance wore eyeliner but he came off as more serious? Do you hear yourselves? I think you've been in the rationalization zone too long. Yeah it wasn't a great performance for Walz, he does better with personal interactions but he came off as direct, relatable and knowledgeable. If you consider that a strong performance for JD - as he lied continually, couldn't admit Trump lost, talked about abortion in frankly insulting ways and generally came off like a used car salesman... I think you may want to rethink your perceptual bias and how your fear has played on it.
Vance is a liar
This felt like an old school political debate. Right down to their interaction on stage after the debate was over.
Different policy views but no name calling or excess nonsense. Well done gentlemen.
Except Vance was lying all through it
This was the Vance 2028 Campaign! Wait and see. God protect us all from JD Vance and Project 2025!