I mean, even Ice T's band Body Count recently covered this classic punk jam, changed the lyrics up a bit. That and it was also on the soundtrack to Repo Man (cult classic), and they lip synched this on an episode of Miami Vice back in the day.Ha! You gotta do ST. They were also banned from playing Los Angeles for ages.
The Reggae/Punk connection started in England where this DJ at the roxie club, (one the first English punk clubs) who was a Jamaican guy would play his reggae collection because there wasn't a lot of punk records to play at the time. A few bands started to incorporate reggae into their sound including the clash.
The other reason why punks and rastas found common ground was in the lyrical content of their songs, Reggae was just as angry as punk rock is and both groups also had to deal with the bleak environment of Great Britain in the seventies. They had a lot of reasons to be angry. "Ghost town" of the Specials and "One in ten" of UB40 are killer examples of reggae songs which lyrical content is just as angry as the punk bands of the era were creating. It is also worth noting that both band were also racially diverse, having both white and black members
Jamaica is the birth place of ska which was before roots reggae.. it's the island version of R&B.. English bands like the clash, the specials, English Beat, etc.. started to use that style in the late 70's early 80's.. after that ska-punk was born and birthday to future bands like Operation Ivy, later a couple members formed Rancid..
Tim Armstrong is the Bob Dylan of Punk. He is so underrated as a lyricist. You should check out more Rancid for sure. Matt the bass player is one of the best in the business as well
I saw Rancid live my senior year of high in ‘96. It was Weston, Rocket from the Crypt and Rancid in Rochester, Ny. My mom was cool. She drove my friend and I there and my mom stayed and watched the show. She bought us shirts and she grabbed their cd’s.
Yeah rancid love jamacian ska music they also have a love for british ska from the 80’s.there are a few great ska punk bands .now review “bad brains “for gods sake😀
To add to what you said, reggae comes from ska, and I think it all comes from mento. They should listen to some pure ska, like Desmond Dekker or The Skatalites. Reggae is kinda like the more laid back version of ska, to explain it simply. Of course there is more to it.
Christopher Carty Not a lot of the time but sometimes they have an off night. If you get them on an off night, they fucking suck. My experience with seeing them is their off days are rare. Just my opinion.
Tim Armstrong, the lead singer and rhythm guitarist, and Matt Freeman, bassist, were in a band called Operation Ivy before Rancid. They combined ska and hardcore punk together to make a genre called "ska punk". Very socially aware band, but only lasted 2 years. They broke up because they were getting too popular. Tim went by "Lint" in the band. Rancid wrote a couple songs about the group, "Journey to the End of the East Bay" being my favorite of them. If you get a chance, check them out. i can't give any recommendations because, to me, all their songs are killer.
Please please please please to The Decline by NOFX! It is an 18 minute punk opus detailing the fall of western civilization! It’s awesome! Oh and more Bad Religion! Struck A Nerve!
The entire album of "...And Out Come The Wolves" is one of those few albums that is great from the first track to the last. Like Pearl Jam's "Ten", Foo Fighter's "In Your Honor", and NOFX's "Punk in Drublic".
You guys should check the Interrupters, she's kerosene or take back the power. They are a new punk band, but they are the best. She's kerosene already took it's own way and it is like wonderwall of Oasis. This song is so good, that i don't even have words to describe it. You most probably have heard them over the radio, but if you don't you should check them, it is an amazing band. One of their songs "family" is also a song that was played at twilight zone move.
With punk week now over, I'd like to inform everyone that of the 14 songs Silver Kyrie/A99 give Vin for punk week, they neglected to use 6 of them. The bands which were ignored were The Clash, The Damned, Dead Boys, XRay Spex, Fear, and The Adverts. We take no blame for their choosing of pop bands like The Offspring, Green Day and Rancid over these classics.
“Punk” is just too way of a spectrum for them to react to without further knowledge of the scenes. I was really hoping for some Regan Youth or MDC, Bad Brains ect. :/
Other great bands for that Operation Ivy, Skankin Pickle, Suicide Machines, and even though most of their songs aren't actually ska they do a great job at barrowing ska elements in some amazing punk Streetlight Manifesto.
@@fullskapunkalchemist3471 most of the modern punk bands seem to explore in to ska a little bit and ska is becoming more recognized bands like the interrupters and Street Light Manifesto
My requests: Fugazi - waiting room Adolescents - kids of the black hole NOFX - the decline Streetlight Manifesto - the three of us, watch it crash, or we will fall together
Punk always had a connection with reggae and ska. Both in 77 and the 90s. But out of 19 songs on Rancids hit album …And Out Come the Wolves only 2 can be considered ska. Loads of bands combined ska with punk like Nofx, Goldfinger, Real Big Fish, Less than Jake and many more.
Nice choice , check out alleys and avenues sometime too. Was always more into rock and hardcore than punk but liked rancid the first time I heard them, great sound, clash like at times. The magnificent seven, fast version, by the clash would be another good listen btw I think. Ps, puffy talked big into going supposedly, Big didnt want to go
Welcome to the sound of Ska ;-) Perhaps you want to listen to The Slackers (the singer of the Slackers did the Organ solo on Time Bomb. They are also one of the most influential US Ska Bands). I would recommend "Rude and Reckless". Cheers from Germany
Rancid - Red Hot Moon,Roots radical / Lars Frederiksen And The Bastards - "To Have And Have Not" booze and glory - london skinhead crew Billy Talent - River Below
The style is Ska. And it was a precursor to Reggie in England. Kids in the 1980s started listening to it. They gave it a punk edge and all the sudden American Ska was born. The members of Rancid were in Operation Ivy in the late 1980s...that band only released 1 record...but they were awesome!
I've always loved this song and hearing your interpretation to me is spot on. Rancid to me is the contemporary version of what the Clash could have been if they stayed on track. After hearing your take on Should I Stay Or Go by The Clash, I hoped you would have also checked in on Joe Strummer's later work which was still punk rock but with a greater level of accessibility and intelligence. Joe Strummer was a singer/songwriter/guitarist for the Clash. His finest moment for me that showed his incredible charisma was the night he blew the doors off of Letterman on October 3, 2001. Him and the Mescaleros sang Johnny Appleseed. Rancid do a fine job carrying on in his spirit and I wish more bands made music that tell this fine a tale and common truth. Thanks again, I'm really enjoying your channel. Keep up the dialogue and staying on point.
That jamaican style of punk is called SKA, from the late 70’s the specials/madness/the selecter to the 90’s Sublime/Reel big Fish/mighty mighty bosstones and mad caddies (in my opinion played majorly Ska/punk music in their prospect generation) ☝️♥️& ☮️
I'm sure you already have your punk week playlist set but I've heard you guys comment "lyrics aren't important in punk" , to refute this you guys should check out The Jam "Down at the time station at midnight". More Mod at the time but oh well.
In honor of the late Tony Sly, you guys should do a video from No Use For A Name. Check out "Justified Black Eye", "Invincible", "Straight From The Jacket", "Not Your Savior", "The Answer Is Still No" or "Soulmate"!!
When punk first started there was no punk on records for them to listen to until they started their own record labels. So they listened to reggae. Reggae and punk have been closely linked ever since.
Jamaican style is SKA which is punk rock with trumpets and reggae guitars also political and good Skanking dance music. See nofx eat the meek, Operation ivy unity album
Another solid reaction and commentary. Rancid's "Life Wont Wait" (the song) would have blown you're mind. They get DEEP! Too deep. Timebomb is their cross over/mainstream stuff, which is still good but Tim - thier lead singer - is quite the poet. Trust me, I've been a fan since I was 8. I'm 32 now.
I went to a concert hall where Rancid was playing that night, and a Symphony X show broke out 🙃 (both bands were playing in the same building, but different rooms/stages)
Check out the documentary Punk:Attitude. It's a great summary of the genre and how it came to be. Plus, it will give you an indication of how ska and reggae were connected with punk.
This band was so prized by major record labels in 94 because of the popularity of Offspring and Green Day that there was a bidding war for them. They decided to stick with Epitaph (and indie label owned and operated by the guitarist of Bad Religion, Mr. Brett) because they supported Rancid and gave them full musical control and freedom of this record. The title of the album “...And Out Come The Wolves” is a shot to the major labels drooling over them.
RANCID: songs needed.. Ruby Soho (classic punk) Journey To The End Of The East Bay (unreal bass solo) Red Hot Moon (real emotion) Fall Back Down (motivation for tomorrow)
WE NEED ANOTHER PUNK WEEK SOON! DESCENDENTS, PENNYWISE, BOUNCING SOULS, SCREECHING WEASEL, THE QUEERS, EARLY GREEN DAY (like 1039 smoothed out slappy hours, and Kerplunk), NOFX, OPERATION IVY !!!! was the band that Rancid came from, and the Rancid song ''journey to the end of the east bay'' is about their time as Operation Ivy. Operation Ivy is the band that spawned Rancid with tim and dave, and also Inspired the members of green day to do the damn thing. 90s punk was rad
This album, Out Come the Wolves,” is perfect.
yes
Agreed
Suicidal Tendencies - Institutionalized. "All I wanted was a Pepsi..."
Get it yourself.......lol
Please do it!
I mean, even Ice T's band Body Count recently covered this classic punk jam, changed the lyrics up a bit. That and it was also on the soundtrack to Repo Man (cult classic), and they lip synched this on an episode of Miami Vice back in the day.Ha! You gotta do ST. They were also banned from playing Los Angeles for ages.
😂
JUST A PEPSIIIIIIIII
Punk week should be punk month! 👍👍
Should be punk life homie.
@@danielpiazza4036 punk is freedom
Tim Armstrong ( vocal/ guitar ) and Mat Freemen (bass) were in a band called Operation Ivy. you should check them out.
Exactly! Bad town , here we go again
Junkies running dry
Knowledge
He sounds a lot like The Great Joe Strummer
Op ivy is soooo much better imo
The Reggae/Punk connection started in England where this DJ at the roxie club, (one the first English punk clubs) who was a Jamaican guy would play his reggae collection because there wasn't a lot of punk records to play at the time. A few bands started to incorporate reggae into their sound including the clash.
Don Letts, that was the DJ. He's the director of the "Punk Attitude" documentary.
The other reason why punks and rastas found common ground was in the lyrical content of their songs, Reggae was just as angry as punk rock is and both groups also had to deal with the bleak environment of Great Britain in the seventies. They had a lot of reasons to be angry.
"Ghost town" of the Specials and "One in ten" of UB40 are killer examples of reggae songs which lyrical content is just as angry as the punk bands of the era were creating. It is also worth noting that both band were also racially diverse, having both white and black members
Don Letts also made the London Calling video for the Clash and was in Big Audio Dynamite with Mick Jones from the Clash....
Anything from, Misfits,Minor Threat, Black Flag, Dead Kennedys and Bad Religion....great punk bands
Jamaica is the birth place of ska which was before roots reggae.. it's the island version of R&B.. English bands like the clash, the specials, English Beat, etc.. started to use that style in the late 70's early 80's.. after that ska-punk was born and birthday to future bands like Operation Ivy, later a couple members formed Rancid..
NOFX - The separation of church and skate, The man I killed, Stickin in my eye
And much more !! :D
The decline!
@@holywood25 Yes xD . My favorite NOFX song, one of the top the stress tests to pinpoint whether someone's really into punk rock or not.
@@josephschultz3301 you test people to see if there "into punk" not cool
@@holywood25 I don't test anybody. I was referring to the song, yo.
Don't Call Me White!
Thank you, love these guys!
You should check out "Ruby Soho" and "Roots Radical", their other songs that got airplay.
Love Ruby Soho!
I don't remember roots radicals getting airplay but then I rarely listen to the radio
as well, as Olympia & from Let's Go...Salvation.. man.. great memories
Avenues and Allyways
Tim Armstrong is the Bob Dylan of Punk. He is so underrated as a lyricist. You should check out more Rancid for sure. Matt the bass player is one of the best in the business as well
Tim Rhymebomb
I saw Rancid live my senior year of high in ‘96. It was Weston, Rocket from the Crypt and Rancid in Rochester, Ny. My mom was cool. She drove my friend and I there and my mom stayed and watched the show. She bought us shirts and she grabbed their cd’s.
Angela Bordack Weston!!!!!!
Sleepy Head Hell yeah!!!!
Angela Bordack such an underrated band. Probably my fav from the 90s.
Sleepy Head Certainly underrated!!
Yeah rancid love jamacian ska music they also have a love for british ska from the 80’s.there are a few great ska punk bands .now review “bad brains “for gods sake😀
SuperClarky
I second the Bad Brains
To add to what you said, reggae comes from ska, and I think it all comes from mento. They should listen to some pure ska, like Desmond Dekker or The Skatalites. Reggae is kinda like the more laid back version of ska, to explain it simply. Of course there is more to it.
Ha yes Bad brains, if they can get though a gig without punching each other out :P
I remember when these guys guys came to Santa Cruz when this came out ..the place just rocked. Sold out show that was that long ago wow....
The Clash - White Man in Hammersmith Palais
You'll love this song.
best song ever
There are plenty of black ears here to listen 😉❤
Yes! Rancid is one of my favorite punk bands, maybe a reaction to NOFX - The Seperation of Church and Skate
I love how u nail points while talking and walking us thru the ins and outs of the musics visceral guts! If u will...😂
NOFX - Don't Call Me White (Live)
Oh yeah!!!! I concur!
Or Franco UnAmerican!!
I heard they suck live though.
Christopher Carty Not a lot of the time but sometimes they have an off night. If you get them on an off night, they fucking suck. My experience with seeing them is their off days are rare. Just my opinion.
@@angelabordack That went right over your head.
Tim Armstrong, the lead singer and rhythm guitarist, and Matt Freeman, bassist, were in a band called Operation Ivy before Rancid. They combined ska and hardcore punk together to make a genre called "ska punk". Very socially aware band, but only lasted 2 years. They broke up because they were getting too popular. Tim went by "Lint" in the band. Rancid wrote a couple songs about the group, "Journey to the End of the East Bay" being my favorite of them. If you get a chance, check them out. i can't give any recommendations because, to me, all their songs are killer.
Came out in 94. You mentioned Jamaica, their album Life Won't Wait was recorded on Jamaica, and you can tell. Very unique
Finally nice enjoyable music !.. for dancing !. Good pick
Wow.... this takes me back to freshman year of high school. Love the song. Love the reaction!
Love Rancid one of my favorite bands of all time.
NOFX - HAPPY GUY
NOFX - IDIOTS ARE TAKING OVER
NOFX - THE DECLINE
NOFX - SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND SKATE
Awesome upload!
Every time I watch one of your videos I learn something. Thanks for that.
Rancid has one of the best bassists alive, Matt Freeman. Check out Axiom, Maxwell Murder or Young Al Capone for proof.
You guys are dope as hell keep up the work we all enjoy and love the work
Please please please please to The Decline by NOFX! It is an 18 minute punk opus detailing the fall of western civilization! It’s awesome!
Oh and more Bad Religion! Struck A Nerve!
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssssssss
Yeah
Rancid is one of my favorite bands I like all the side projects they are in
Really love how you all talked about the story of the song.
Social Distortion I was Wrong
The entire album of "...And Out Come The Wolves" is one of those few albums that is great from the first track to the last. Like Pearl Jam's "Ten", Foo Fighter's "In Your Honor", and NOFX's "Punk in Drublic".
Another good punk band.
Social Distortion: Don't Drag Me Down.
Hell yeah!! The whole "White Light" album is fuckin' sick!!!
You guys should check the Interrupters, she's kerosene or take back the power. They are a new punk band, but they are the best. She's kerosene already took it's own way and it is like wonderwall of Oasis. This song is so good, that i don't even have words to describe it. You most probably have heard them over the radio, but if you don't you should check them, it is an amazing band. One of their songs "family" is also a song that was played at twilight zone move.
Yaaaa! This whole ...And Out Come The Wolves album is wickedly radical!
The bond between punk and Jamaican lounge/Rocksteady/ska reggae is an old one.... A great one!
Its a Ska/ Punk song Check out Operation Ivy, tim Armstrong from Rancid first band
The Flatliners - 'New Year Resolution'
NOFX - 'Eat the Meek'
With punk week now over, I'd like to inform everyone that of the 14 songs Silver Kyrie/A99 give Vin for punk week, they neglected to use 6 of them. The bands which were ignored were The Clash, The Damned, Dead Boys, XRay Spex, Fear, and The Adverts. We take no blame for their choosing of pop bands like The Offspring, Green Day and Rancid over these classics.
“Punk” is just too way of a spectrum for them to react to without further knowledge of the scenes. I was really hoping for some Regan Youth or MDC, Bad Brains ect. :/
@@undertakerpunk Our list was explicitly 70s punk and proto-punk. We were told that Vin did not want hardcore included, thus our list ended at 1979.
bmfan ahhhh that makes sense!
Which The Clash track did you recommend to Vin?
@@NixyFaerie White Riot
SKA!!!
Rancid really crosses ska with punk
Genius
Of course lint aka Tim Armstrong and Matt Freeman came from operation ivy..
Other great bands for that Operation Ivy, Skankin Pickle, Suicide Machines, and even though most of their songs aren't actually ska they do a great job at barrowing ska elements in some amazing punk Streetlight Manifesto.
@@fullskapunkalchemist3471 most of the modern punk bands seem to explore in to ska a little bit and ska is becoming more recognized bands like the interrupters and Street Light Manifesto
Skankin Pickle! XD Fakin Jamaican
Great channel thank you for your hard work and the great vids.
My requests:
Fugazi - waiting room
Adolescents - kids of the black hole
NOFX - the decline
Streetlight Manifesto - the three of us, watch it crash, or we will fall together
I would skank while driving whenever this song comes. My daughter would ask "what are you doing dad?"
Yes! there was a Rancid song in the mix
NoFX - Franco UnAmerican!
Punk always had a connection with reggae and ska. Both in 77 and the 90s. But out of 19 songs on Rancids hit album …And Out Come the Wolves only 2 can be considered ska. Loads of bands combined ska with punk like Nofx, Goldfinger, Real Big Fish, Less than Jake and many more.
Misfits - Astro Zombies
Nice choice , check out alleys and avenues sometime too. Was always more into rock and hardcore than punk but liked rancid the first time I heard them, great sound, clash like at times. The magnificent seven, fast version, by the clash would be another good listen btw I think. Ps, puffy talked big into going supposedly, Big didnt want to go
The Cramps.- Human Fly
YEEESSSSSSSSSS!!! My all-time favorite rancid song! But always felt this was way more of a ska type song than a punk song.
My favorite is Brad Logan, but the chef aid studio version is hard to find on youtube now.
Welcome to the sound of Ska ;-) Perhaps you want to listen to The Slackers (the singer of the Slackers did the Organ solo on Time Bomb. They are also one of the most influential US Ska Bands). I would recommend "Rude and Reckless". Cheers from Germany
Good choice
Incredible live band, by the way. Barrowlands, Glasgow, oh yeah!
Power Trip - Divine Apprehension
Power Trip - Hornet’s Nest
Power Trip - Crucifixation
Executioner's Tax (Swing of the Ax) has to be #1..that song will hook them.
Bad Brains-Big Takeover
Rancid - Red Hot Moon,Roots radical /
Lars Frederiksen And The Bastards - "To Have And Have Not"
booze and glory - london skinhead crew
Billy Talent - River Below
Im so glad they went back to Op Ivy days on their sound
astonishing tune, fellas! ....ya, this track is doing my booty sway since '95.... lol :D
Great album I remember buying this cd at the Wiz when it first came out.
Always loved this song....so catchy!!!
Rancid's best song is Salvation - about rich people donating their stuff to Salvation Army
The style is Ska. And it was a precursor to Reggie in England. Kids in the 1980s started listening to it. They gave it a punk edge and all the sudden American Ska was born. The members of Rancid were in Operation Ivy in the late 1980s...that band only released 1 record...but they were awesome!
NOFX - Leave it alone
I've always loved this song and hearing your interpretation to me is spot on. Rancid to me is the contemporary version of what the Clash could have been if they stayed on track. After hearing your take on Should I Stay Or Go by The Clash, I hoped you would have also checked in on Joe Strummer's later work which was still punk rock but with a greater level of accessibility and intelligence. Joe Strummer was a singer/songwriter/guitarist for the Clash.
His finest moment for me that showed his incredible charisma was the night he blew the doors off of Letterman on October 3, 2001. Him and the Mescaleros sang Johnny Appleseed.
Rancid do a fine job carrying on in his spirit and I wish more bands made music that tell this fine a tale and common truth.
Thanks again, I'm really enjoying your channel. Keep up the dialogue and staying on point.
Thank you
Ramones - Sheena is a Punk Rocker live
loco live best live album ever
The misfits - Astro Zombies
You guys should do NOFX the Decline
That jamaican style of punk is called SKA, from the late 70’s the specials/madness/the selecter to the 90’s Sublime/Reel big Fish/mighty mighty bosstones and mad caddies (in my opinion played majorly Ska/punk music in their prospect generation) ☝️♥️& ☮️
Ska started in the late 1950's in Jamaica, and doesn't have punk rock as a root, just fyi
I actually bought a Rancid album. Its been so long I cant remember any song or if this song was on it.
Tim Armstrong created his own language with Time Bomb LOL.
I don't leave my house with out a 40 , a switchblade, and brass knuckles.been thru too much shit
I'm sure you already have your punk week playlist set but I've heard you guys comment "lyrics aren't important in punk" , to refute this you guys should check out The Jam "Down at the time station at midnight". More Mod at the time but oh well.
Check out Maxwell Murder live with the bass solo. Absolutely wicked.
It´s absurd no The Clash songs so far.
The Clash - Guns of Brixton or Bankrobber
Joy Division - Warsaw
Pennywise - Society
They did Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Joy Division!
What the music video for the song
In honor of the late Tony Sly, you guys should do a video from No Use For A Name. Check out "Justified Black Eye", "Invincible", "Straight From The Jacket", "Not Your Savior", "The Answer Is Still No" or "Soulmate"!!
Pennywise - Same old story
How did you guys miss Bad Religion Sorrow :(:(:(:(:(:(:( love ur channel you guys make a great team
When punk first started there was no punk on records for them to listen to until they started their own record labels. So they listened to reggae. Reggae and punk have been closely linked ever since.
rancid is ska influenced punk...the ska/punk genre runs deep...dive in if you dare!
You should do Canadian punk rock. Would love to send you a playlist!!!
I remember buying this CD when it first came out from nobody beats the wiz
There's a Punk documentary on TH-cam you guys should watch called" Punk:Attitude ".
Jamaican style is SKA which is punk rock with trumpets and reggae guitars also political and good Skanking dance music. See nofx eat the meek, Operation ivy unity album
Nofx- all outa angst. Also isn't the OP IV album called energy?
fullskapunk alchemist . Yea bro energy lol well to defend myself the entire album is about Unity!!!
Another solid reaction and commentary. Rancid's "Life Wont Wait" (the song) would have blown you're mind. They get DEEP! Too deep.
Timebomb is their cross over/mainstream stuff, which is still good but Tim - thier lead singer - is quite the poet.
Trust me, I've been a fan since I was 8. I'm 32 now.
CLASSIC choice! Welcome to Ska
I went to a concert hall where Rancid was playing that night, and a Symphony X show broke out 🙃 (both bands were playing in the same building, but different rooms/stages)
Check out the documentary Punk:Attitude. It's a great summary of the genre and how it came to be. Plus, it will give you an indication of how ska and reggae were connected with punk.
Fugazi - Shut the door
Circle Jerks: Deny Everything
OPERATION IVY
This is an amazing album in my all time top 5 albums
This band was so prized by major record labels in 94 because of the popularity of Offspring and Green Day that there was a bidding war for them. They decided to stick with Epitaph (and indie label owned and operated by the guitarist of Bad Religion, Mr. Brett) because they supported Rancid and gave them full musical control and freedom of this record. The title of the album “...And Out Come The Wolves” is a shot to the major labels drooling over them.
Bad Brains - Big Takeover live cbgb
RANCID: songs needed..
Ruby Soho (classic punk)
Journey To The End Of The East Bay (unreal bass solo)
Red Hot Moon (real emotion)
Fall Back Down (motivation for tomorrow)
she kerosene by the interrupters
Whoever made the lyric video was a speed.
WE NEED ANOTHER PUNK WEEK SOON! DESCENDENTS, PENNYWISE, BOUNCING SOULS, SCREECHING WEASEL, THE QUEERS, EARLY GREEN DAY (like 1039 smoothed out slappy hours, and Kerplunk), NOFX, OPERATION IVY !!!! was the band that Rancid came from, and the Rancid song ''journey to the end of the east bay'' is about their time as Operation Ivy. Operation Ivy is the band that spawned Rancid with tim and dave, and also Inspired the members of green day to do the damn thing. 90s punk was rad
rad bc of opiv
No evolving.wonderful clash.