We wouldn't feel any relativistic effects or spaghettification until long after crossing the event horizon for such a massive black hole. It's tidal forces are practically nil.
If I have understood things correctly, the light can't escape the event horizon not because of gravity itself (which supposeldy has no effect at all on light) but because of space-time contraction. Space folds/contracts so quickly, light may keep traveling but can no longer travel away.
FallenByTheHand Gravity definitely effects light, gravitational lensing is a thing. It's true though that it's believed inside the event horizon there is no direction anymore that is "away" from the event horizon, so no amount of speed could save you.
+Gestahl Gravity effects light indirectly. Gravity only effects things with mass, and light has no mass. However, mass bends space-time, and light travels through space-time, so if you have enough mass (like a black hole) space-time will wrap around it in a way that light is practically circling the mass and can never escape. Think of it kind of like you're playing Portal and you put the portals on opposite sides of the room. You can keep going strait, but you will never leave that area.
on the outside, you'd see someone stretch or elongate, but you yourself inside the event horizon would have to wait quite a long time before you feel anything. you'd probably die of boredom before you feel anything.
Hey Anton, I've discovered your channel one year ago when I was looking for video sabout physics and astronomy cause I love science, especially the science of understanding what's around us. Now I still wait every one of your videos like a 6yo child waits his Christmas presents. You became great, you do great things. Cheers from France. P.S: Thanks if you took the time to read this Anton.
Mr. H Its a joke - yeah you’re learning something today. Amazing. I have nothing against him, his goals are great - to make the world healthier. As for his face as I _joked_ about in my comment? Fine. Nothing wrong with it. His banner is well made, his channel and himself seem to be great. As I said, ‘uncalled for but ok’.
Here's something intresting to think about: If you search "Neutrino" on Wikipedia it says they have a mass of approximately 0.120 eV/c2. Now if you take the mass of the Neutrino and divide it by the known mass of the Electron, their mass ratio is almost exactly the same mass ratio as our sun and Sagittarius A*! (the black hole in the center of our galaxy). That is just a crazy coincedence! 😮 The electron is 4.258 million times more massive than the neutrino! (Average masses of the 3 Neutrino flavors)
The disk will only form when you have an orbiting system falling into it. For a stationary start, it will go collide directly as there is no impulse for the stars to rotate around at high speeds. Unless they were already doing it and are continuing to conserve angular momentum the disk cannot form and the result shown is actually correct
Wow, hold on just a second 5:20 that sounded so extremely wrong I just had to look it up for myself and yeah there is a commonly quoted 50 billion suns theoretical limit. But it's the point when the disc of materials would in outside the roche limit and start sticking together into stars and stuff. A black hole can no longer feed matter from the disc so the primary food source is gone but it will still increase slowly by the microwave background radiation and other random objects hitting it say other black holes. You could have a 130 billion sun black hole if a 50Bsun, 45Bsun, 35Bsun all collided. A black hole can't split apart. Inside a schwarzschild radius, spacetime is curved so for particle moving a the speed of light With all the possible paths if can try to move, all of them will path lead to the singularity For Blackhole to "split" it would mean that the mass left the original singularity and joined the newly created one. and mass leaving the singularity would be impossible under Einsteins General theory of relativity.
@@EntertaningAmerica Doughnut shaped planets and stars as well. I think that if a doughnut shaped singularity exists, we'd likely find a planet or star shaped that way first. While there is nothing in physics that says that they can't exist, I personally doubt that the conditions would ever be right to form one on any scale larger than a dwarf planet or asteroid. Too many things would have to go perfectly and the bigger a thing gets, the less likely that is.
The 2nd and 3rd laws of thermodynamics and Kerr Newman equation do not permit black holes to separate, this has only been hypothesized. Think about it... if NOTHING can cross an event horizon how could they split? Although there is too much unknown about the universe to say.
Luke Walton Yeah and sometimes you cant explain things with common sense or even the laws of physics, since for example the 142 nonillion degrees limit. The universe is a facinating place and its so extreme to think about that all these things really do exist.
4:20 the schwarzchild radius os the radius at which the escape velocity of an object becomes higher than 299792458m/s (speed of light), not where light can lo longer escape, what you’re reffering to is the “event horizon”
Wrong the Schwartzchild radius is the radius of the event horizon. It is a solitution to the equations of general relativity. It describes a coordinate singularity. It matches the escape velocity definition but that is pure coincidence.
You're awesome bro. I'm not very smart and don't know physics but I LOVE space and how relativity works with massive objects n how time changes and stuff like that. Love your videos!!
When watching this, a memory of your older videos about the Great Attractor popped in. I wonder if the Great Attractor is actually a black hole so big, it can attract galaxies. Probably not, but who knows.
unfortunately, there is too much evidence supporting that an apparent cause of the dark flow doesn't exist. if anything it is a reminiscent action of an unseen mass within the cosmos or the echo of a giant, massive supernova that has ejected material with forces strong enough to pull all the matter in the apparent coordinates of that area.
Pierangelo B eventually when a black hole gets too large, it loses the ability to rip matter apart as the tidal force difference between one end of the object to the other isn’t great enough. This means that it can’t grow any larger as that matter doesn’t become part of the singularity.
@@rico9163 i was allways under the impression that the singularity has no size, therefore can not be to large. i'd rather expected that a too large BH just rips appart the spacetime and somehow falls "out" of the continuum.kind of.ish. you know.
Aik Richter I wasn’t talking about the size of the singularity, but the size of the gravity well that it creates. Singularities could theoretically be any size, but in black holes they can only get so big.
Its like there is a particle acceleration field that smashes atoms before they get eaten. This ripping force tears apart matter before it gets swallowed preventing it from adding mass. It does't split the black hole, that's just silly. The problem with what he said was that it doesn't take into account black hole collisions. If you have two super-massive black holes that ate two super massive black holes that ate two supper massive... you get the idea. You get a monster black hole. it can't grow by eating normal matter but that doesn't prevent it from gobbling up other singularities of similar mass who's own powerful gravity will prevent them from being ripped apart long enough to become lunch. While it would take a special set of circumstances to create this monster, it would be more odd if such a thing never happened...
Dude your use of the spagetification analogy for the solar system being stretched was marvelous. All the examples ppl use are what people would feel, not solar systems. I haven't gotten an example like this one yet and it was perfect. The planets themselves we're far away so they weren't stretched yet, but the changing velocities they traveled at started changing their formation
I'm actually surprised at how long it took for the solar system to get engulfed by TON618. Looking at the time it was placed (25.10.2015), it took almost exactly a year for the solar system to be completely sucked in (from 22.10.2016 to 26.10.2016). Personally, I thought it would've been a nearly instant destruction.
Calculating maths... ummmmmm, 7...? 7,000,000,000,000,000,000 x pi x re^3 x 4/3 x 2(pi(r)~= 1,877,298,863,459,461 cu. ft. - I actually did maths and the result is not a made up number...
Can you get two equally sized black holes without accretion disks going very fast so that they can then pass very very close to each other's event horizons and yet this event happens without them merging into one black hole? Would each of them "give up material by it being drawn out of them by the other's gravity" ? -- that is, would they spit out matter that would then be appearing from 'nowhere?'" Can two black holes "give birth" by some sort of Sudden Onset Reverse Spaghettificational Anti-Hawking Radiation Storm Burp? Traveling at very near light speed, if a set of stars aligned such that they form a perfectly straight (lined up like billiard balls going into the same pocket) series aimed directly toward the center of a black hole, will they enter that black hole, one after another, in the same entry point, without forming an accretion disk around the black hole? Or does the black hole, despite not having an accretion disk, yet still have spin that will somehow impact any incoming material such that stars are torn apart without getting into the black hole directly? Can spaghettification get lessened down to a process that takes mere seconds relative to the person being sphaghettified? That is if one travels toward a black hole at high speed, could all the stretching happen in an instant instead of torturing one over a longer period of time as one is approaching the black hole?
Very interesting and thoughtful questions TrikkeGuy! For the last question, things work differently around Black Holes. Based on the information we've gathered, one could assume that as you approach a super-massive black hole, for example Sag. A* you would still experience the painful, and dreadful process of spaghetiffication due to the fact that time appears to slow down around the event horizon. Although all this could change if you're going at the speed of light, who knows? -- And for the last one, how fast are we talking? Hope I could clarify on that question. :) Keep learning!
Spaghettification occurs when you get close enough to the black hole that the immense tidal forces and gravitational pull quite literally, tear you apart. Yes you would experience this either way from the insane amount of gravitational pull in a black hole, but what I was trying to explain is that you rapidly increase in velocity as you approach the black hole closer and closer. With the time dilation you would pretty much speed up and then seem to come to a stop in time. : )
do u think it is possible that our universe is simply the inside walls of one massive black hole and the "great atractor" is merely the direction to the exit?
An interesting thought, though the 'exit' of a black hole is in all directions from within it since mass is pulled in from all sides, there also isn't really an interior (at least as you and I know it) for anything to be within a black hole. Things... don't work the same way the inside the singularity as they do out here in the rest of the universe. Side note: nothing really ever enters a black hole, it just collects as information along the outside. The reason for this is that the closer you get to the singularity the slower time gets around you.
if nothing can be seen entering or exiting a black hole and things can only be seen being flung away from it or collected among the fringes of the horizon and ejected. i would think, due to this time dilation and singularity/s? and things appearing frozen in time once something passes the event horizon. then we cannot currently know for sure what is occurring beyond the event horizon. also, is it possible that "black holes" go beyond a 3 dimensional object? also, i thought objects technically fall into a black hole, not get pulled in? is that accurate. i try to imagine a hole in a 4 or 5 dimensional object and my mind backfires lol
my hypothesis is that our universe is not 3 dimensional, but some things in it are 3 dimensional, including us. so, we can perceive everything 3 dimensional and under, but nothing above 3 dimensions. at least from our naked eye and most if not all current tech. i also like to think that we are indeed inside of a black hole. one so massive your average mind would barely be able to fathom it. and if white holes exist, that might have been what the "big bang" was maybe? . as, i feel like if white holes exist they are likely the exit point of one of many black holes popping in and out of existence in this particular space*, that make up all of the universes. all sewn together into some unfathomable insane "thing" that probably is apart of something that is far beyond 3 dimensional. i dont think anything in any universe actually disappears. including black holes. and yes there are tiny black hole all the way to super massive and that is just what we are aware of. though, if i am correct, and all universes are not a bubble, but actually are more like what i guess we can compare to "wormholes", then it would mean there is only one universe. and it is in some kind of continuous connection from one black hole to another.
Meowoofius It's really interesting and I already heard about this theory. If you speak French I recommend you ''6 Trucs sur les trous noirs'' by ''Poisson Fécond''. There are subtittles if you want and this video explains the theory of plurality. Let me explain shortly. In the center of a black hole stands a singularity, the smallest particle with a mass. Technically it's a stat way more massive than our sun which is compressed into a point way smaller than an atom, Even smaller than Bosons, Lepton, Quarks etc... In this singularity there is an infinite gravity that is capable to influence space and time at a point that space is infinitely curved and time doesn't exist. Because of the energetic radiation, one day the black hole will evaporate in a huge explosion. We discovered than the Universe before Big Bang was a singularity. Here is the theory. Black Hole are Universes.
Its doubtful that is the largest black hole in the universe. Just think about the largest known galaxy IC-1101,and at 6,000,000 light years across and estimated to hold 100s of trillions of stars and 200x larger than our own puny galaxy! It would have on hell of a black hole at its center that would push the boundaties of size limits!
I thought the only way you can get sucked in a black hole is if you got way too close to it. From why heard it has very strong gravity, but it’s only when you get too close to it. In the video the black hole was very far away from the planets and sun.
TL;DR: Black hole mass limit doing me a big confuse Black hole falling apart? Wouldn’t the steep space-time curvature prevent that for happening? It would have to travel faster than the speed of causality or at the speed of causality at a 90* angle to the Black Hole’s surface in order to escape the Black Hole’s gravitational pull, right? Or is it something to do with the fabric of spacetime itself freaking out and forcing the spacetime around the two spacetime caves to move away from each other? Or can Spacetime become so compressed it creates mini-Big-Bang-esque explosions inside the Black Hole with enough to expand spacetime and rip the Black Hole’s innards asunder and fling it apart?
exactly my point, it matters what word you use. its evaporation, not falling apart. a nova explosion might be called falling apart, but you would never said the star evaporated. might be a pedantic view.
10.4 billion light years! That's why I love astronomy and everything about space because the sheer size is unfathomable. I mean seriously think about it, at a distance of 10.4 billion light years when a single light year is 5.88 trillion miles! 10.4 billion x 5.88 trillion = 6.1152 x 10²²
How will Hollywood solve this problem? Can we run away? Hide behind some boxes? What about shoot at it? Obviously, this is such a serious problem we need the guys making movies
1) What do you mean? ("Turned into energy that is going to be released into some other far away galaxy") I agree with the energy part, but your dead wrong about "released into some other far away galaxy". 2) Blackholes don't ("Fall Apart into smaller black holes, or stellar mass objects") they release hawking radiation. The bigger the black hole the more stable, but the smaller they are the faster they evaporate do to hawking radiation. At a certain point, Black holes only get so big because they whirling so much energy as they consume their surroundings, that the energy ends up interfering with the very gas supply that feeds them. 3) And PLEASE!! Keep those things away from my HOME!!! hahaha 4) Great video!!!
@@tylerbowers7658 Not entirely true, although light doesn't normally escape black holes it doesn't mean that it never happends, nor that there isn't light coming off black holes, light gets attracted to it does not always go straight in because it's not quite going the correct angle or isn't close enough and thus gets catapulted out, there are also times when objects energetic enough causes the black hole to throw off matter... Just like if you tossed a big enough rock in some pond it'd splash everywhere. Same shit can happen here.
The scale of Ton618 is appreciated even more when you think, if the Voyagers spacecraft, started out at it's center, they wouldn't have reached its edge yet! (They couldn't anyway but this is just to give a sense of scale)
Forgive me if I missed the answer to this question: Is all the mass of a supermassive black hole still in a singularity within and the size of the event horizon is so large because of it's huge mass?
Everything is moving on a curve so mostly hit the black hole tangentially. The matter gets torn apart releasing the rest energy as massive flares. How much of that matter actually gets into the black hole? If it’s shredded in the way in how much is left over to be eaten?
Hallo Anton Great Video as always, but I have one thing to admit: every black hole is the exact same size as every other black hole: 1 Planck Just the mass differs a lot and so does the gravity and finals the event horizon .
I feel like I'm the only one that thinks that when a black hole absorbs something, it just adds to the singularly. I'd get bigger, lowering the overall density, but said other, let's say, celestial body that got absorbed, also had density, adding more density to the black hole
I cant imagine how big the object was from wich the black Hole was created cuz You need to squeze an Objekt into an object which is as big as one thousand of an sandgrain
TON 618....
Also known as Universe‘s vacuum cleaner
Kim Erpelding lol
SDSS: *HeLlO*
Now that "SUCKS"...
Okey bai
I love looking back in time to see what we thought was real and how much we have learned in just one year.
Lol
We wouldn't feel any relativistic effects or spaghettification until long after crossing the event horizon for such a massive black hole. It's tidal forces are practically nil.
If I have understood things correctly, the light can't escape the event horizon not because of gravity itself (which supposeldy has no effect at all on light) but because of space-time contraction. Space folds/contracts so quickly, light may keep traveling but can no longer travel away.
FallenByTheHand Gravity definitely effects light, gravitational lensing is a thing. It's true though that it's believed inside the event horizon there is no direction anymore that is "away" from the event horizon, so no amount of speed could save you.
+Gestahl
Gravity effects light indirectly. Gravity only effects things with mass, and light has no mass. However, mass bends space-time, and light travels through space-time, so if you have enough mass (like a black hole) space-time will wrap around it in a way that light is practically circling the mass and can never escape. Think of it kind of like you're playing Portal and you put the portals on opposite sides of the room. You can keep going strait, but you will never leave that area.
on the outside, you'd see someone stretch or elongate, but you yourself inside the event horizon would have to wait quite a long time before you feel anything. you'd probably die of boredom before you feel anything.
Light has mass. That's why solar sails work.
Everytime he uploads a video with the words "blackhole" and "our solar system", it never ends well...
Emerson Harris yup
Emerson Harris Edit: Everytime he uploads a video. It always go wrong for our poor Earth 😂
Emerson Harris indeed
a blackhole with the mass of 1 sun, would be okay........except we would freeze to death
No if we have that for our sun place it would but otherwise....
your channel is very unique and relaxing to watch
sergio fcastillo how is it relaxing? If a black hole comes in contact with our solar system we would all die!
Its the complete opposite of relaxing for me
No kidding, could watch this for hours
@@focusprx u dumb he is talking about his voice and you are talking out of syllabus thing.
Anton: lets place the biggest black hole in the solar system
Earth: plz no :(
one amazed potato corny
Earth: could you not
Sagittarius A : I’LL SAVE YOU!
**Solar System accidentally gets sucked in by Sagittarius A and TON - 618**
one amazed potato not the biggest 1...
IS IT SDSS?
Anton 618
I think you mean anTON 618
Clever
Colonel Graff :O
🐜TON 618
@@randomgamer2274 r/woooosh
No light can escape. But his cursor is going in and out of the black holes. Lol 😂
Personal Computers > black holes.
PowerLeef yep. Lol
HACKS 😱😱😱
Placed in the center of our galaxy near our massive blackhole?
It has more mass than all of our Galaxy. It would probably end up the same way as putting the most massive star in out Solar system.
"-Anton, if you could materialize your love for science in an object, how massive would it be ?
anton: ridiculy tremandesly massiv"
I love it when you put something that doesn’t belong in our solar system here and all hell breaks loose.
"Stay outta TON 618, bro. Bad shit goin' down."
So I was like "what's that funky little star that keeps whizzing around everywhere?" and of course it was the pointer. :/
I'm about to be one of your patrons. Love the channel mate, glad to donate :D
placed in our solar system?
thats not my question, why is the title saying biggest blackhole in our solar system
man, im stupid
The True Question Is, WHAT HAPPENED TO IC 1101'S STATUS OF HAVING THE LARGEST BLACK HOLE IN THE UNIVERSE???
TON 618 took that title
One Stoned Bastard Universe Sandbox 2*
Hey Anton, I've discovered your channel one year ago when I was looking for video sabout physics and astronomy cause I love science, especially the science of understanding what's around us. Now I still wait every one of your videos like a 6yo child waits his Christmas presents. You became great, you do great things. Cheers from France.
P.S: Thanks if you took the time to read this Anton.
I really enjoy your channel Anton, keep up the amazing work!
That's scary!
OMAD Revolution So is your face
Uncalled for but ok
I know it would destroy a TON of planets
Mr. H Its a joke - yeah you’re learning something today. Amazing.
I have nothing against him, his goals are great - to make the world healthier. As for his face as I _joked_ about in my comment? Fine. Nothing wrong with it. His banner is well made, his channel and himself seem to be great. As I said, ‘uncalled for but ok’.
"Biggest Blackhole in the observable Universe".
It is a ultra massive black hole
You are in much places
I dont care if i spelled it wrong
corekt
SmOrT
Ultramassive black holes
Here's something intresting to think about:
If you search "Neutrino" on Wikipedia it says they have a mass of approximately 0.120 eV/c2.
Now if you take the mass of the Neutrino and divide it by the known mass of the Electron, their mass ratio is almost exactly the same mass ratio as our sun and Sagittarius A*! (the black hole in the center of our galaxy).
That is just a crazy coincedence! 😮
The electron is 4.258 million times more massive than the neutrino! (Average masses of the 3 Neutrino flavors)
Fact Sheet neutrinos dont have flavours, there are just different types, but where did you get neutrino flavours from
@@rickharper4533 neutrinos have flavors isn't it neccesary for them to have the weak force affect them?
@@rickharper4533 they're called flavors.
We don't know the actual masses of the neutrinos though.
@@rickharper4533 it is called neutrino oscillation
Wow. I can’t believe something can weigh as much as 618 tons.
The disk will only form when you have an orbiting system falling into it. For a stationary start, it will go collide directly as there is no impulse for the stars to rotate around at high speeds. Unless they were already doing it and are continuing to conserve angular momentum the disk cannot form and the result shown is actually correct
Wow, hold on just a second 5:20 that sounded so extremely wrong I just had to look it up for myself and yeah there is a commonly quoted 50 billion suns theoretical limit. But it's the point when the disc of materials would in outside the
roche limit and start sticking together into stars and stuff. A black hole can no longer feed matter from the disc so the primary food source is gone but it will still increase slowly by the microwave background radiation and other random objects hitting it say other black holes. You could have a 130 billion sun black hole if a 50Bsun, 45Bsun, 35Bsun all collided. A black hole can't split apart. Inside a schwarzschild radius, spacetime is curved so for particle moving a the speed of light With all the possible paths if can try to move, all of them will path lead to the singularity For Blackhole to "split" it would mean that the mass left the original singularity and joined the newly created one. and mass leaving the singularity would be impossible under Einsteins General theory of relativity.
AxeLond wouldnt 2 black holes converging form a ringularity, because they rotate inwards towards each other?
@@GearGuardianGaming Well doughnut shaped black holes are also theorized.
@@EntertaningAmerica Doughnut shaped planets and stars as well. I think that if a doughnut shaped singularity exists, we'd likely find a planet or star shaped that way first. While there is nothing in physics that says that they can't exist, I personally doubt that the conditions would ever be right to form one on any scale larger than a dwarf planet or asteroid. Too many things would have to go perfectly and the bigger a thing gets, the less likely that is.
The 2nd and 3rd laws of thermodynamics and Kerr Newman equation do not permit black holes to separate, this has only been hypothesized. Think about it... if NOTHING can cross an event horizon how could they split? Although there is too much unknown about the universe to say.
Luke Walton Yeah and sometimes you cant explain things with common sense or even the laws of physics, since for example the 142 nonillion degrees limit. The universe is a facinating place and its so extreme to think about that all these things really do exist.
That Stimulator is Wonderful
What program is he using, would love to get it.
Great vid!
4:20 the schwarzchild radius os the radius at which the escape velocity of an object becomes higher than 299792458m/s (speed of light), not where light can lo longer escape, what you’re reffering to is the “event horizon”
Was thinking this, essentially the size an object has to be squeezed to to create a black hole...
surely if the escape velocity is higher than the speed of light...light can't escape?
Carl Woode Yep. Light can’t escape once it passes the event horizon
Wrong the Schwartzchild radius is the radius of the event horizon. It is a solitution to the equations of general relativity. It describes a coordinate singularity. It matches the escape velocity definition but that is pure coincidence.
Technically the Schwartzchild radius is a point in space and time where information/mass is so dense that gravity collapses to infinity.
Absolutely astounding
I love space exploration
Anton is all like, "No half measures, Thanos!"
Even GOD will think a billion times before messing with TON618
What do you mean? That is God when he is hungry.
so you like space stuff and you are interested but you still believe in something such as ,,god” nice
uwu R/Whooooosh
Learning about this thing is probably the only time cosmology has ever scared me.
Yay I was waiting for one of ur videos!
You're awesome bro. I'm not very smart and don't know physics but I LOVE space and how relativity works with massive objects n how time changes and stuff like that. Love your videos!!
Vid idea: How close could our solar system be orbiting the center of our galaxy but still be a minimal change to us here on earth?
Fun Fact: If Ton 618 were to replace the Sun, it would swallow the entire Solar System 11 times over.
If the black hole is that big.... that means the neutron Star was absolutely absurd and the high mass star would be absolute ridiculous
This supermassive black holes form through the fusion of thousands of smaller black holes.
Oops mah bad
It’s probably even bigger now...
When watching this, a memory of your older videos about the Great Attractor popped in. I wonder if the Great Attractor is actually a black hole so big, it can attract galaxies. Probably not, but who knows.
Or a massive cluster of 'smaller' super massive black holes could do it too.
That could be too.
Do they know the specific area that it's all being attracted to? Or roughly where in space it will all ultimately end up?
unfortunately, there is too much evidence supporting that an apparent cause of the dark flow doesn't exist. if anything it is a reminiscent action of an unseen mass within the cosmos or the echo of a giant, massive supernova that has ejected material with forces strong enough to pull all the matter in the apparent coordinates of that area.
Centaurus and Hydra constellations
*sees a 618 ton object* ....
*runs away*
Why a black hole should have a limit?why should fall apart?
Pierangelo B eventually when a black hole gets too large, it loses the ability to rip matter apart as the tidal force difference between one end of the object to the other isn’t great enough. This means that it can’t grow any larger as that matter doesn’t become part of the singularity.
@@rico9163 i was allways under the impression that the singularity has no size, therefore can not be to large. i'd rather expected that a too large BH just rips appart the spacetime and somehow falls "out" of the continuum.kind of.ish. you know.
Aik Richter I wasn’t talking about the size of the singularity, but the size of the gravity well that it creates. Singularities could theoretically be any size, but in black holes they can only get so big.
Because.
Its like there is a particle acceleration field that smashes atoms before they get eaten. This ripping force tears apart matter before it gets swallowed preventing it from adding mass. It does't split the black hole, that's just silly. The problem with what he said was that it doesn't take into account black hole collisions. If you have two super-massive black holes that ate two super massive black holes that ate two supper massive... you get the idea. You get a monster black hole. it can't grow by eating normal matter but that doesn't prevent it from gobbling up other singularities of similar mass who's own powerful gravity will prevent them from being ripped apart long enough to become lunch. While it would take a special set of circumstances to create this monster, it would be more odd if such a thing never happened...
Dude your use of the spagetification analogy for the solar system being stretched was marvelous. All the examples ppl use are what people would feel, not solar systems. I haven't gotten an example like this one yet and it was perfect. The planets themselves we're far away so they weren't stretched yet, but the changing velocities they traveled at started changing their formation
Not an analogy. That's the actual term for it
2:50 "Energy that is going to be released in a far away galaxy"
What the heck are you talking about?
It’s called galactic recycling. Look it up.
@@justinb7439 yes, but as of now it is purely hypothetical and it also has nothing to do with black holes. Is there something I am not getting?
@@isakr940 WHY ARE PPL SO MEAN
Les extraits du renard i said the exact same thing
No. What he’s talking about is the energy spewed out of a BH. Look it up
10 billion light years away? Phew, was worried for a second there.
Wait so its larger than the S5 0014 + 81?
By 26 billion solar masses
My galaxy s 9 is bigger
@@eslameddinghalebi1Jajajaja
I'm actually surprised at how long it took for the solar system to get engulfed by TON618. Looking at the time it was placed (25.10.2015), it took almost exactly a year for the solar system to be completely sucked in (from 22.10.2016 to 26.10.2016). Personally, I thought it would've been a nearly instant destruction.
put that black hole in the center of our galaxy.
I always find myself stoned watching your vids at 2am. Love your channel
Astronomers should never refer to the 1970s as "a really long time ago" lol
Two thumbs!!!!! You explain things so dummies like me can UNDERSTAND!!! INTERESTING TOO.... GREAT JOB ANTON
Say you take two TON 618s and have them merge... how big would the resulting gravitational wave be? ;)
It'll be one hell of a surfing session. Surf's up dude.
PenileAugmentation can we now keep detecting them? Or was it a one off?
Alan Lee LIGO is operational almost permanently and many waves have been observed by now. More LIGO facilities are also being constructed
Calculating maths... ummmmmm, 7...? 7,000,000,000,000,000,000 x pi x re^3 x 4/3 x 2(pi(r)~= 1,877,298,863,459,461 cu. ft. - I actually did maths and the result is not a made up number...
It would be the loudest explosion since the big bang
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Hello wonderful replier
Great job with the graphics! Perspectives help me understand the science.
Suggestion: talk about 2017 MB7 is has the farthest orbit kown!
seeing the super novae in 3-D is really cool, when the stars are speeding toward TONs o'fun
i see what you did there
Can you get two equally sized black holes without accretion disks going very fast so that they can then pass very very close to each other's event horizons and yet this event happens without them merging into one black hole? Would each of them "give up material by it being drawn out of them by the other's gravity" ? -- that is, would they spit out matter that would then be appearing from 'nowhere?'" Can two black holes "give birth" by some sort of Sudden Onset Reverse Spaghettificational Anti-Hawking Radiation Storm Burp?
Traveling at very near light speed, if a set of stars aligned such that they form a perfectly straight (lined up like billiard balls going into the same pocket) series aimed directly toward the center of a black hole, will they enter that black hole, one after another, in the same entry point, without forming an accretion disk around the black hole? Or does the black hole, despite not having an accretion disk, yet still have spin that will somehow impact any incoming material such that stars are torn apart without getting into the black hole directly?
Can spaghettification get lessened down to a process that takes mere seconds relative to the person being sphaghettified? That is if one travels toward a black hole at high speed, could all the stretching happen in an instant instead of torturing one over a longer period of time as one is approaching the black hole?
Very interesting and thoughtful questions TrikkeGuy! For the last question, things work differently around Black Holes. Based on the information we've gathered, one could assume that as you approach a super-massive black hole, for example Sag. A* you would still experience the painful, and dreadful process of spaghetiffication due to the fact that time appears to slow down around the event horizon. Although all this could change if you're going at the speed of light, who knows? -- And for the last one, how fast are we talking? Hope I could clarify on that question. :) Keep learning!
I thought spaghettification would take place even without time dilatation. Something as your body exceeding the roche's limit.
Spaghettification occurs when you get close enough to the black hole that the immense tidal forces and gravitational pull quite literally, tear you apart. Yes you would experience this either way from the insane amount of gravitational pull in a black hole, but what I was trying to explain is that you rapidly increase in velocity as you approach the black hole closer and closer. With the time dilation you would pretty much speed up and then seem to come to a stop in time. : )
Universe sandbox is is alpha, it does not simulate this yet
To much smart brain melting
TON 618 accelerates the solar system to over 68% the speed of light.
do u think it is possible that our universe is simply the inside walls of one massive black hole and the "great atractor" is merely the direction to the exit?
An interesting thought, though the 'exit' of a black hole is in all directions from within it since mass is pulled in from all sides, there also isn't really an interior (at least as you and I know it) for anything to be within a black hole. Things... don't work the same way the inside the singularity as they do out here in the rest of the universe.
Side note: nothing really ever enters a black hole, it just collects as information along the outside. The reason for this is that the closer you get to the singularity the slower time gets around you.
if nothing can be seen entering or exiting a black hole and things can only be seen being flung away from it or collected among the fringes of the horizon and ejected. i would think, due to this time dilation and singularity/s? and things appearing frozen in time once something passes the event horizon. then we cannot currently know for sure what is occurring beyond the event horizon. also, is it possible that "black holes" go beyond a 3 dimensional object? also, i thought objects technically fall into a black hole, not get pulled in? is that accurate. i try to imagine a hole in a 4 or 5 dimensional object and my mind backfires lol
my hypothesis is that our universe is not 3 dimensional, but some things in it are 3 dimensional, including us. so, we can perceive everything 3 dimensional and under, but nothing above 3 dimensions. at least from our naked eye and most if not all current tech. i also like to think that we are indeed inside of a black hole. one so massive your average mind would barely be able to fathom it. and if white holes exist, that might have been what the "big bang" was maybe? . as, i feel like if white holes exist they are likely the exit point of one of many black holes popping in and out of existence in this particular space*, that make up all of the universes. all sewn together into some unfathomable insane "thing" that probably is apart of something that is far beyond 3 dimensional. i dont think anything in any universe actually disappears. including black holes. and yes there are tiny black hole all the way to super massive and that is just what we are aware of. though, if i am correct, and all universes are not a bubble, but actually are more like what i guess we can compare to "wormholes", then it would mean there is only one universe. and it is in some kind of continuous connection from one black hole to another.
Meowoofius It's really interesting and I already heard about this theory. If you speak French I recommend you ''6 Trucs sur les trous noirs'' by ''Poisson Fécond''. There are subtittles if you want and this video explains the theory of plurality. Let me explain shortly. In the center of a black hole stands a singularity, the smallest particle with a mass. Technically it's a stat way more massive than our sun which is compressed into a point way smaller than an atom, Even smaller than Bosons, Lepton, Quarks etc... In this singularity there is an infinite gravity that is capable to influence space and time at a point that space is infinitely curved and time doesn't exist. Because of the energetic radiation, one day the black hole will evaporate in a huge explosion. We discovered than the Universe before Big Bang was a singularity. Here is the theory. Black Hole are Universes.
Meowoofius according to Hawkins radiation black holes do disappear, takes a bloody long time though.
Its doubtful that is the largest black hole in the universe. Just think about the largest known galaxy IC-1101,and at 6,000,000 light years across and estimated to hold 100s of trillions of stars and 200x larger than our own puny galaxy! It would have on hell of a black hole at its center that would push the boundaties of size limits!
Isnt't SDSS j14 BH relatively larger in mass than Ton 618?
Ye
I thought the only way you can get sucked in a black hole is if you got way too close to it. From why heard it has very strong gravity, but it’s only when you get too close to it. In the video the black hole was very far away from the planets and sun.
Yes,but in this case because the mass of this thing is huge its gravity is much much stronger so thats why it attracts from a distance.
Dario VUckovic oh ok
TL;DR: Black hole mass limit doing me a big confuse
Black hole falling apart? Wouldn’t the steep space-time curvature prevent that for happening? It would have to travel faster than the speed of causality or at the speed of causality at a 90* angle to the Black Hole’s surface in order to escape the Black Hole’s gravitational pull, right? Or is it something to do with the fabric of spacetime itself freaking out and forcing the spacetime around the two spacetime caves to move away from each other? Or can Spacetime become so compressed it creates mini-Big-Bang-esque explosions inside the Black Hole with enough to expand spacetime and rip the Black Hole’s innards asunder and fling it apart?
Nice thinking :)
Fun fact: The central black hole of Phoenix Cluster has a size of our entire solar system
While Ton 618 is about a size of our whole solar system 3x
How would a black hole fall apart...?
CMDR unematti Not at all. The only way a black hole could "fall apart" (or rather gradually evaporate) is by emitting Hawking radiation.
exactly my point, it matters what word you use. its evaporation, not falling apart. a nova explosion might be called falling apart, but you would never said the star evaporated. might be a pedantic view.
No, I'm with you there. The guy doesn't sound like he really knows what he's talking about, anyway.
antred11 English obviously isn’t is his first language so maybe he mixed up some words. Or he’s just spewing stuff out his mouth and you’re right lol
10.4 billion light years! That's why I love astronomy and everything about space because the sheer size is unfathomable. I mean seriously think about it, at a distance of 10.4 billion light years when a single light year is 5.88 trillion miles! 10.4 billion x 5.88 trillion = 6.1152 x 10²²
Imagine the size of the star that colapsed to create this black hole
Hugãodozap and it also expands before dying so it is enormous
Most likely it wasnt a star but a primordial black hole that formed in the early universe by some sort of gas collapse.
Aqim Julayhi agree
Black holes this big are called Ultramassive black holes, apparently ultramassive black holes aren't created from collapsing stars. Very exciting!
Hugãodozap not the biggest one tho. Search for sdss j14 thats the biggest 1! Sooo yeah this vid is basically fake:)
When i read title wrong i almost shit in my pants
so you placed one of my exes in our solar system...
thank you for letting TON 618 eat our solar system for free.
I think you mean our solar system placed in it
Bigger black holes actually have a less intense gravitational pull than smaller ones, but the bigger ones can get heavier objects to orbit them.
Black hole sun
Won’t you come
Wash the rain away
Antov, if you haven't already, you should do a video about all black holes in the universe combining.
then you need to find them all first
I have a black hole that needs filling. 😉
Alan Lee mmmmm😏😏😏😏😏
Yummy
Alan Lee you better be a girl
Maybe I could put my matter in your super-dense celestial object ;) ;) ;)
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Good work AP, appreciated
Blackholes can't fall apart, so not sure what that means.
they are losing so little mass every second so they can fall apart in Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaany years
They loss energy because they realease radiation as in heat
Hawking radiation?
Yes they can. Look up Hawking Radiation.
@@JackBirdbath You guys beat me too it. Hawking Radiation
If ton 618 ain’t the biggest black hole....
WE ARE IN FOR SOMETHING ABSOLUTELY *MONSTROUS*
Why does your space engine look so much better than mine? Is it a mod or something??
BestCombos Perhaps the graphics are set differently. Mine are on medium and they don't look like his either.
How will Hollywood solve this problem? Can we run away? Hide behind some boxes? What about shoot at it? Obviously, this is such a serious problem we need the guys making movies
Not as big as my love for her
1) What do you mean? ("Turned into energy that is going to be released into some other far away galaxy") I agree with the energy part, but your dead wrong about "released into some other far away galaxy".
2) Blackholes don't ("Fall Apart into smaller black holes, or stellar mass objects") they release hawking radiation. The bigger the black hole the more stable, but the smaller they are the faster they evaporate do to hawking radiation. At a certain point, Black holes only get so big because they whirling so much energy as they consume their surroundings, that the energy ends up interfering with the very gas supply that feeds them.
3) And PLEASE!! Keep those things away from my HOME!!! hahaha
4) Great video!!!
this guy has no idea what hes talking about...
How?
Thats not how the planets would get pulled in.
Werberjerbins I agree. For one black holes don’t put out any light.
@@tylerbowers7658 Not entirely true, although light doesn't normally escape black holes it doesn't mean that it never happends, nor that there isn't light coming off black holes, light gets attracted to it does not always go straight in because it's not quite going the correct angle or isn't close enough and thus gets catapulted out, there are also times when objects energetic enough causes the black hole to throw off matter... Just like if you tossed a big enough rock in some pond it'd splash everywhere. Same shit can happen here.
CruelFish glad we have another TH-cam grade expert to save the day
Im just glad you didn't try fitting the biggest black hole in the universe in Uranus on a more serious note damn I enjoy your videos
The scale of Ton618 is appreciated even more when you think, if the Voyagers spacecraft, started out at it's center, they wouldn't have reached its edge yet! (They couldn't anyway but this is just to give a sense of scale)
Finally you're talking about ton 18, thanks!
I guess i have a juicey human *puts lava on head and eats*
Finally someone that doesn't address you with a "Hey you guys". Thank you so much for that!
Since i do study physics i was gonna tell you about the «mass limit» and Hr. But as i went down in the comment, people coverd that very well.
Another great video.
Lovin' this channel. Informative and well explained.
I heard somewhere that Ton 618's event horizon is so big that you could place 11 or 12 solar systems inside of it side by side.
Imagine how big the sun had to be for this black hole to be created
Somehow from his greeting I think Anton knows what video I'll be watching.
Forgive me if I missed the answer to this question: Is all the mass of a supermassive black hole still in a singularity within and the size of the event horizon is so large because of it's huge mass?
Your the best space youtube I’ve known!
What was the time frame? How long would we have to escape? Why haven't I seen this in any disaster preparedness manuals?
Everything is moving on a curve so mostly hit the black hole tangentially. The matter gets torn apart releasing the rest energy as massive flares. How much of that matter actually gets into the black hole? If it’s shredded in the way in how much is left over to be eaten?
Ton 618: 1303 AU 6.6E+10 sun
Custom Black Hole TON 789: 18.5 light years 33.8 milkyway
Hallo Anton Great Video as always, but I have one thing to admit: every black hole is the exact same size as every other black hole: 1 Planck
Just the mass differs a lot and so does the gravity and finals the event horizon .
I feel like I'm the only one that thinks that when a black hole absorbs something, it just adds to the singularly. I'd get bigger, lowering the overall density, but said other, let's say, celestial body that got absorbed, also had density, adding more density to the black hole
The scale of space is scary.
I cant imagine how big the object was from wich the black Hole was created cuz You need to squeze an Objekt into an object which is as big as one thousand of an sandgrain
What will happen if you place 2 blackholes side by side where you placed this one?