🤦♂🤦♂THERE IS A HEAVY CLOTHING BARRIER USED IN THIS TEST!🤦♂🤦♂ Some of y'all need to stop watching only 2 minutes of the video and pay attention. The time that you took to run down to the comments and look foolish about how there was "no clothing barrier" could have been used to actually watch the video and see me pointing out the cloth specifically, along with it being used throughout the testing just like every other video of mine for the past multiple years. Stop making yourself the stereotypical short attention span, empty headed internet troll!
@@wisewhiterabbit It wouldn't even be as bad that they just don't have any attention span and don't pay attention, but they run down to the comments and try to "teach" me something about why I should be using cloth that I'm already using.🤣🤣🤣 Mind blowing.
@@ToolsandTargets you should see how idiots find ways to break solid steel forklifts. i mean they still manage to drive them off of 5 foot tall docks. doing dumb shit, because they manage to believe "not me, wont happen to me, because...ect" stupid is abundant. and the world allows it to continue. i use to be the guy saying "rip the safety stickers off" but have converted to "they arent going to read them anyway. they are not just referred to as "lawyer shields"
From what I understand about Hornady, they give up some maximum expansion for barrier penetration. I don't shoot through a whole lot of car doors and windshields so I'd still rather have HST.
I remember I bought my first box of Hornandy. Asked the seller what the difference between defense and duty was and he just said “well, both go through a windshield” and I was sold.
@@savenvl449 Hornady is big on barriers, but there's more difference than that. They are optimized for different barrel lengths. The duty ammo has low flash powder. Duty used to have different cases but I think they are all brass now. The biggest difference was in the powder burn rate though. Defense was supposed to make full velocity in a 3" barrel.
I love to see that this channel is growing steadily. You always give useful data points. I remember other pewtube channels starting off with ballistic testing of calibers and various rounds and manufacturers and eventually became channels of random destruction. It’s fun to watch but not nearly as useful For us that carry and need useful information.
@@cabragooncabulous4082 eh, tno9 did flash test and stuck with organic because it showed discoleration where stretch tissue damage was (.357 sig was the only pistol round that he tested that also did show stretch damage like rifle ammo does. so much stretch damage, the OG would be a lighter tan. i've only see this type of damage with rifles and 12ga slug on deer) imagine putting so much force on target, that the effect is like tenderizing meat with a mallet that has a spike on it.
I did the same exact same thing with their 300blk 190g subsonic expanding HPs. Removed the red plugs on all of them for early and maximum expansion. Especially for subsonic rounds which are notorious for either under expanding or not expanding at all due to the lower velocities. It would be cool to do the same test on gel with the 300blk version of these!
It's doing exactly what it's supposed to, it's for penetration through sheetrock and car windows for law enforcement...they don't want the early expansion...the anti clog is for walls and auto glass...these will penetrate a window and still be fatal, if they were open/regular they don't get fatal results after going through a wall etc. for police/FBI use, they are doing exactly what they are suppose to be doing.
Pulling out the tip made the FTX round into an XTP round. The tip does help with feeding in guns that don't like hollow points such as the Taurus PT709 and G2S. One other thing the tip does is prevent the petals from being bent which would interfere with expansion. I believe you demonstrated that in another video.
I just wish Hornady would use different color plugs for the Defense and Duty versions so that it’s easier to tell which goes on your compact EDC and which one goes to your full size
Also , critical duty bullets r usually in heavier bullet weights. With 9mm for example. Critical defense is 115gr, Z max is the same lode with green tip. Critical defense light. Is 100grs With a pink. Tip. Critical duty, 9 mm is offered in 124gr, 135gr and 135gr +p Red tip with H stamped in it.
You could always take a sharpie and draw a line on the back side across the primer of each for one and no line for the other. It will wear off over time but if it just sits in a mag and is not disturbed that much it should not rub away and it wont cause any issues with the function either. @DabNaggit All I have is critical defense and they have different color cases so... @eb4305 I have never seen an H molded into the plug of any of the ones we sell but I will have to take another look. @alexanderstordeur9434 Critical Duty also has a 124gr +p
For me, with the tip in the winter, without the tip in warmer seasons. The tip doesn't stop clothing from clogging , it controls expansion preventing premature expansion from heavy clothing. Thanks for the video and the education.
Very interesting test & results Tools. I alway thought that little insert was supposed to start pushing the round to expand. Sure fooled me on that. I agree with your assessment, I thought it would clog up and not expand. Another great test and unexpected results. Be safe and be vigilant my friend.
I can remember some of the local PD officers and county deputies would drip the hollow point cavities full of candle wax on their carry rounds. It stayed in pretty good and had no effect on barriers but you could see the recovered bullets really were improved expansion wise in water jugs and watermelons(this was the early to mid 80's, nobody ever heard of ballistic gel then). It was especially dramatic how much it improved the 38+p 158 lswchp and 45acp 185 jhp that most carried. When I first saw these Hornady loads I was reminded of these "hillbilly law enforcement/engineers" figuring this out nearly 45 years ago.
Yup. And Phillips head screwdrivers. I modified.22 lr ammo in MANY different ways. Back then, people let their kids play with lead. That probably explains a lot about me.
@@letsdothis9063 my dad told me he and his friends used to play with mercury from thermometers. That would have been in the 50s. Things were not as dangerous back then as they are now. Lol.
OK, now you have me wondering about the Critical Duty. I’ve always wanted a little more expansion out of those rounds. Maybe this would be the trick. Great job, as always!!!
I think the critical duty is made differently so they won't expand any differently because it's made to penetrate barriers like wood, windshields and other objects similar. I'd like to see that though.
I always took these as more barrier blind, Duty's even more so as they are harder lead. My thought was to keep the cavity from collapsing on glass or sheet metal. Good test either way.
Be awesome to see if Critical duty expands more without the polymer tip. I carry that in my EDC, with two extra mags of HST 124+p and Underwood Xtreme Hunter.
@Balticblue93 duty is made to pierce further by design. Defense is made to expand slightly more by design. And it doesn't expand well with the polymer inside. Powr ball corbon however will expand extremely well with the filling
It was my understanding that the insert was to control expansion as the bullet goes thru fabric t-shirt, jacket etc, so it won't start to expand until it goes thru clothing.
It takes more than two shots to characterize the terminal effects these bullets. When I helped test armor for an Army contractor it surprised me how despite the controlled environment the results varied considerably. You should standardize the metrics used for the evaluation and collect enough data to determine that the accuracy of the results are sufficient to provide a compelling argument. So until your sample size is large enough and the evaluation is standardized the results are not only incomplete but anecdotal. Thankyou for sharing this so we can talk about it. Iv always pondered the effectiveness of ballistic tipped ammunition. It looks more like a trend than anything else.
Could a prosecutor use that against you? "Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury. This defendant modified his ammunition to cause greater harm to his victim."
Questionable anti-clogging features aside, one big advantage of that insert can be ease of chambering. In my experience the difference is noticeable when chambering a 9mm FTX compared to a traditional hollowpoint. It's even more noticeable in caliber 380, to the point where an FTX actually chambers smoother than an FMJ. If you're buying something like a Shield-EZ or a Security-380 because you have grip strength issues that make it difficult to operate the slide, that extra smooth chambering might help to reduce jams due to shortstroking or fingers slipping off the slide mid-operation.
@@4g1vn I hadn't even considered that. I don't have a 1911 yet, but it's on my bucket list. Good to know there'll be at least one kind of hollowpoint that works when I get one.
@@herbderbler1585my 1911 hates weird bullet shapes. federal hst and hydrashok deep chamber just as good as fmj. hornady defense ammo has too many ftf for my case, along with speer gold dot, and basically just about any round that isnt a round nose
That’s funny. I was thinking that exact same thing. I’m a Texan as well, originally from Beaumont but I say in Spring north of Houston. 75° is absolute bliss. 😅
Thank you for sharing this information with us. I use this ammo in my EDC and I was interested in what would happen without the plug and I was extremely surprised in the results. With this information I would definitely take out the plug for maximum stopping power. You want the bullet to stop and do maximum damage asap. If you go to far through the target you risk becoming the active shooter by hitting past the target.
I picked up some fiocchi defense dynamics 9mm and 40 JHP I can’t find testing on them anywhere. Good prices on 50 round boxes. Maybe we could see those tested one day 👍🏼🇺🇸 if they suck I’ll just use em up
The hornady critical defense with the insert is just their hornady XTP with an insert. That's why if I'm buying hornady it's either Critical DUTY or Hornady XTP. The XTP costs a lot less than the Critical defense and expands better. (As seen in this video.) That makes it a good self defense round because you don't have to worry as much about over penetration. And, if you're just looking for the best 9mm Hornady round, Critical DUTY wins hands down. Only thing that you need to worry about with that round is over penetration. But it's great for self defense and great for beating barriers.
Sometime ago I remember watching a video from the late Paul Harrell and he was testing different types of hyper ammo in 380 caliber. If I remember correctly the best results that he got was with the 90 grain Hornady critical defense in his meat targets.
Yup, but there are several brands in that caliber that work very well. Critical Defense is one that I carry with no worries. I also like the V-Crown and Hydra-Shock DEEP
LOVE YOUR VIDEOS! I have been extremely satisfied with Hornady Critical Defense for years. Its my carry ammo. You surely don't have to worry about unintended pass through. Its the prefect defense ammo for home defense or carry.
Well... it's trade off. More expansion but less penetrative. The brand appears to be consistent at least. Plus 25 round box for cheaper than a 20 round box of several other brands.
Thanks for this test! It makes sense, though I have never really thought about it. Hornady has traditionally traded less expansion for more penetration with the XTP line. XTPs are surprisingly robust. Some years ago, for giggles, I pulled the 123gr FMJ bullets in some 7.62x39mm M43 ammunition and swapped out .312" 100gr XTPs (resized to .311") then shot them from a full length SKS. They were getting close to 2500 FPS and obliterating the water jugs I shot with them. The bullets I recovered had flattened and lost about half of their weight, but for a pistol bullet that I was pushing two and half times beyond its expansion threshold, I thought that was pretty good.
Those rounds are designed to go through barriers.. it’s why they have the insert so it can go through windshields and walls or whatever without rapidly expanding and still having energy to make it through
This is why I make sure the hole in the middle of my JHP is as wide as will feed reliably (Golden Saber "Law Enforcement Only" marked box ammo feeds like ball in my 1911, and using Speer Gold Dot or other premium 124gr +p in my 9mm). I was always skeptical of the bullet dingus except in the LeveRevolution cartridges designed for safety in tube mags.
Man I enjoy this video Sir. Keep them coming. I am enjoying my Garmin Xero C1 Pro Chronograph and I am loving getting the velocity out of many different rounds. Thanks 🙏 for sharing Sir. Much love and respect 🫡!!
Run this test again with a barrier and see if that makes a difference. Put like 3/4 (or maybe 1/2) inch plywood about a foot away and shoot through it to the gel. This would simulate engaging a target through a barrier (such as having to shoot through a windshield) to test for barrier blindness. I know lumber is expensive these days but I think it’s worth looking at.
Tools, I’d just like to say “thank you” for all the tests and your commitment to getting out the truth. I’m sure It’s a lot of time and money. Keep them coming and hopefully everyone watching likes, comments and subscribes to the channel.
Coincidently I tested some of these Critical Defense in 40 S&W for accuracy yesterday out of a 3.1 " Shield and had a bunch of keyholing. Being that the gun is relatively new and has less than 500 rounds through it I have to assume the speed is lacking and causing the keyholing. On the same target I shot some Federal LE Tactical 165 grain . Federal" Put the Lead in the Red " and cut nice clean holes.
Very informative great idea to see the results with and without the insert. 100% agree with you on that test. Nice very interesting in deed. Another one for the data bank. I think it did as you called 👍 be safe. ⭐️🇺🇸🇺🇸⭐️
I know the pain of losing your shade tree. A storm took out the tree we used for shade when throwing knifes. It was not even a hurricane! Not even a bad storm- even by Florida standards
I’ve often wondered about the effect the plastic tips have on expansion. Thank you for the comparison. Handy to know if hollow-points are illegal near you.
Great job 👍🏻 this is my main edc ammo and good to see how it performs. One thing I’d like to mention that I have noticed with this ammo is that they don’t crimp them to good. I had a like 5 bullets in a box that the bullets were loose and spinning in the casing. I have a total of over a dozen bullets I just set aside and not want to use them. Any home remedy trick of how to recrimp them is welcomed. Other that that I love this product.
GREAT TEST! I've always thought the insert was BS! Now we know! I've also been shopping, and the FN57 (Made by Hornady) doesn't come with the blue tip anymore. Now everyone will be taking a pick and removing their inserts...
Oddly enough, in the Communist State of New Jersey, Critical Defense, and Duty, are exempted from the hollow point ban. Take the insert out, and you're a felon, if you have a carry license
Thanks for your comparison. I don't use critical defense of duty. But, its nice to no about the design. I currently use Fed. Hydro shok Deep in 9mm. From your video reviews. Thanks so much. Next.....for me is. I what to find out if Hydro shok deep. 380 will past the test in 2.7"and 3.5"barrel in .380. Some times in summer I switch my .380 for carry.
That was a very interesting test, Tools! I personally, thought the one without the insert was going to get clogged and cause the round to over-penetrate into the second block! I truly appreciate this test because these Hornadys are my EDC whenever I’m not. carrying a .45. Thanks again for all you do!
I was happy my take was same as yours. I always thought of the insert as the insert prevents catastrophic failure to expand due to over clogging versus improving expansion. Also the additional penetration with good expansion seems like a fair tradeoff to me...
They have a somewhat smaller hollow point hole size, don't they? I always figured part of the idea was to have a shape that might be better for feeding while making sure it will still always perform even if not as big as other rounds.
You should try this experiment with some ribs there and see what happens. Cause you have a high chance of hitting them and you should try this with the hornety Critical duty and see how they compare
Ive seen similar results from the 22 magnum flex tip ammo! Darn it tools now i wanna see the critical duty (124+p and 135+p) without the tip too! They usually penetrate aorund 18-20" in clear gel and i bet expansion would drop it into the 16-14" range with a more impressive wound cavity! Hornady definitely designed the tip as an enginerded clog versus an open hollow point that may run into thick denim or fleece that can clog up almost anything.
I have a box of those right here in my room. They were given to me by a buddy to try out at the range to see if I like them. Honestly I prefer federal 147 grain jacketed hollow points.
Try adding a 3” barrel for ammo tests for all concealed carry viewers. This is a very common situation for many viewers. This test was for 4” as stated earlier. However, not much help for 3” carriers, we are still unsure of this ammo choice for us.
I've tested this ammo multiple times including 3" barrels. Nearly every single test I do includes a 3" barrel unless it's a specific outlier like this. This answered the question at hand in this specific test, regardless of barrel length.
Would be nice to see you add some cloth materials over the gel for a more "real world" test. Would the open cavity hollow do "worse" compared to the polymer insert version after going thru 1, 2 or 3 layers of clothing material?
The expansion will always happen in the gel/tissue. The insert is to prevent plugging from denim/clothing prior to entering the body. You are not going to get “plugging” from the gel. The dense gel is what opens the pedals with or without an insert.
I may be wrong as I'm sure smarter people than myself have measured and tested and so forth but I think the basic reason for projectile expansion failure is velocities lower than 1000 fps... Maybe that polymer plug aids in the expansion even if that velocity is below the threshold but most of the tests i've seen it appears that when you're at 1100 fps or more there doesn't seem to be a problem with fabric spoiling the expansion effects.
🤦♂🤦♂THERE IS A HEAVY CLOTHING BARRIER USED IN THIS TEST!🤦♂🤦♂ Some of y'all need to stop watching only 2 minutes of the video and pay attention. The time that you took to run down to the comments and look foolish about how there was "no clothing barrier" could have been used to actually watch the video and see me pointing out the cloth specifically, along with it being used throughout the testing just like every other video of mine for the past multiple years.
Stop making yourself the stereotypical short attention span, empty headed internet troll!
Where's the love button for this comment. 😂
Right on Tools.
@@ToolsandTargets there should a subreddit for every type of "the people of" similar to the people of walmart meme pages.
@@wisewhiterabbit It wouldn't even be as bad that they just don't have any attention span and don't pay attention, but they run down to the comments and try to "teach" me something about why I should be using cloth that I'm already using.🤣🤣🤣 Mind blowing.
@@ToolsandTargets you should see how idiots find ways to break solid steel forklifts. i mean they still manage to drive them off of 5 foot tall docks. doing dumb shit, because they manage to believe "not me, wont happen to me, because...ect" stupid is abundant. and the world allows it to continue. i use to be the guy saying "rip the safety stickers off" but have converted to "they arent going to read them anyway. they are not just referred to as "lawyer shields"
Some states do not allow hollow points for carry. NEW Jersey comes to mind first but they allow the critical defense with the palmer tip/insert.
It's polymer
"Just the tip" jelly time
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I'm glad I could be apart of this testing.
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Heck yeah 😅
and only for a second.
Always wondered about this. Thanks for testing this one. I definitely thought they would clog up and not expand.
Pretty cool results.
I would like to see a whole box used and see the results in pure scientific method.
Probably what hornady wants people to think.
From what I understand about Hornady, they give up some maximum expansion for barrier penetration. I don't shoot through a whole lot of car doors and windshields so I'd still rather have HST.
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I remember I bought my first box of Hornandy. Asked the seller what the difference between defense and duty was and he just said “well, both go through a windshield” and I was sold.
@@savenvl449 Hornady is big on barriers, but there's more difference than that. They are optimized for different barrel lengths. The duty ammo has low flash powder. Duty used to have different cases but I think they are all brass now. The biggest difference was in the powder burn rate though. Defense was supposed to make full velocity in a 3" barrel.
Big fan of Federal HST
Thx!
I love to see that this channel is growing steadily. You always give useful data points. I remember other pewtube channels starting off with ballistic testing of calibers and various rounds and manufacturers and eventually became channels of random destruction. It’s fun to watch but not nearly as useful For us that carry and need useful information.
Appreciate that. Now I gotta cancel my plans to change this into a random destruction channel!😉
Do both. Everyone wants to see what 00bick can do to a real pig head😂😂@@ToolsandTargets
T&n outdoors to me was OG. Bit Im sure you make him proud. 👍🏻
@@cabragooncabulous4082 eh, tno9 did flash test and stuck with organic because it showed discoleration where stretch tissue damage was (.357 sig was the only pistol round that he tested that also did show stretch damage like rifle ammo does. so much stretch damage, the OG would be a lighter tan. i've only see this type of damage with rifles and 12ga slug on deer) imagine putting so much force on target, that the effect is like tenderizing meat with a mallet that has a spike on it.
@@wisewhiterabbitI prefer organic gelatin testing but I can see why everyone is doing clear.
I did the same exact same thing with their 300blk 190g subsonic expanding HPs. Removed the red plugs on all of them for early and maximum expansion. Especially for subsonic rounds which are notorious for either under expanding or not expanding at all due to the lower velocities. It would be cool to do the same test on gel with the 300blk version of these!
The Hornady Sub-X 255gr 7.62x39 pills aren't at all impressive. I will have to try removing the tip.
wasn't sure what to expect but it's significant improvement without the insert
Surprised me.
It's doing exactly what it's supposed to, it's for penetration through sheetrock and car windows for law enforcement...they don't want the early expansion...the anti clog is for walls and auto glass...these will penetrate a window and still be fatal, if they were open/regular they don't get fatal results after going through a wall etc. for police/FBI use, they are doing exactly what they are suppose to be doing.
@@uniform1313 that would be critical duty :)
@donakahorse Yes, same exact technology. That is why it was developed.
@@uniform1313 Critical Defense is FTX bullet. Critical Duty is a Flexlock
Pulling out the tip made the FTX round into an XTP round. The tip does help with feeding in guns that don't like hollow points such as the Taurus PT709 and G2S. One other thing the tip does is prevent the petals from being bent which would interfere with expansion. I believe you demonstrated that in another video.
I just wish Hornady would use different color plugs for the Defense and Duty versions so that it’s easier to tell which goes on your compact EDC and which one goes to your full size
Critical Duty has an H molded into the plug if you look closely
Also , critical duty bullets r usually in heavier bullet weights. With 9mm for example. Critical defense is 115gr, Z max is the same lode with green tip. Critical defense light. Is 100grs With a pink.
Tip. Critical duty, 9 mm is offered in 124gr, 135gr and 135gr +p Red tip with H stamped in it.
Mine have different color cases 🤷🏻♂
You could always take a sharpie and draw a line on the back side across the primer of each for one and no line for the other. It will wear off over time but if it just sits in a mag and is not disturbed that much it should not rub away and it wont cause any issues with the function either.
@DabNaggit
All I have is critical defense and they have different color cases so...
@eb4305
I have never seen an H molded into the plug of any of the ones we sell but I will have to take another look.
@alexanderstordeur9434
Critical Duty also has a 124gr +p
IIRC the lite 100gr version are pink tipped
For me, with the tip in the winter, without the tip in warmer seasons. The tip doesn't stop clothing from clogging , it controls expansion preventing premature expansion from heavy clothing.
Thanks for the video and the education.
I've done the same thing with .45 acp +P 220 grain Critical Duty. They expanded pretty good into water jugs. Didn't use any clothing barrier.
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How did you pull them out??
@grios3738 drill bit for most of the plug then needle nose pliers for the remains.
The meteor that killed the dinosaurs, was fired from a 1911.☀
Always wondered about this. Thank you for testing it.
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I pulled the red insert on 22 Mag version.
It performed much better out of the NAA revolver, imho.
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That's Interesting, I'll have to remember that, TY👍
What method did you use to remove them? Thanks.
@@josephpacchetti5997 I used a dental tool.
@@jjjsmith2497 dental tool
Very interesting test & results Tools. I alway thought that little insert was supposed to start pushing the round to expand. Sure fooled me on that. I agree with your assessment, I thought it would clog up and not expand. Another great test and unexpected results.
Be safe and be vigilant my friend.
I sure wasn't expecting more expansion without it.😎👊
I can remember some of the local PD officers and county deputies would drip the hollow point cavities full of candle wax on their carry rounds. It stayed in pretty good and had no effect on barriers but you could see the recovered bullets really were improved expansion wise in water jugs and watermelons(this was the early to mid 80's, nobody ever heard of ballistic gel then). It was especially dramatic how much it improved the 38+p 158 lswchp and 45acp 185 jhp that most carried. When I first saw these Hornady loads I was reminded of these "hillbilly law enforcement/engineers" figuring this out nearly 45 years ago.
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I have used modelling clay . Works great.
Cool test! Kinda reminds me of me X cutting .22lr rounds when i was a kid after seeing it in a cowboy movie, lol. Thanks Tools.
You could do that in the Red Dead Redemption 2 video game too.😎👊
I had always thought that was a WW1 thing
@ToolsandTargets I didn't know that lol. Not sure how effective it really was, but it sure was fun.
Yup. And Phillips head screwdrivers. I modified.22 lr ammo in MANY different ways.
Back then, people let their kids play with lead. That probably explains a lot about me.
@@letsdothis9063 my dad told me he and his friends used to play with mercury from thermometers. That would have been in the 50s. Things were not as dangerous back then as they are now. Lol.
I removed the tips on the ftx 250 gr 45 colt projectiles just so didn't have to trim the brass down. Good to know they should perform pretty good.
OK, now you have me wondering about the Critical Duty. I’ve always wanted a little more expansion out of those rounds. Maybe this would be the trick. Great job, as always!!!
I didn't even think about that.🤔
I think the critical duty is made differently so they won't expand any differently because it's made to penetrate barriers like wood, windshields and other objects similar. I'd like to see that though.
That's exactly what I was thinking! Glad I read the comments since I knew it wasn't the only one wondering
@ToolsandTargets I believe will we be seeing a +P Critical Duty version of this vid soon! BOLO
You should do the critical dutys next
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There's not much difference except the duty expands even less if I recall
I always took these as more barrier blind, Duty's even more so as they are harder lead. My thought was to keep the cavity from collapsing on glass or sheet metal. Good test either way.
Be awesome to see if Critical duty expands more without the polymer tip. I carry that in my EDC, with two extra mags of HST 124+p and Underwood Xtreme Hunter.
@Balticblue93 duty is made to pierce further by design. Defense is made to expand slightly more by design. And it doesn't expand well with the polymer inside. Powr ball corbon however will expand extremely well with the filling
It was my understanding that the insert was to control expansion as the bullet goes thru fabric t-shirt, jacket etc, so it won't start to expand until it goes thru clothing.
This.
That’s completely false. The insert is to keep barriers from clogging the point.
Ike he said in the video it's all about controlled expansion
Great testing as always, thank you for doing this. Glad to get more information and be better informed. You are a legend
Would love to see a similar test with the projectile passing through particle board or a windshield.
Or even a couple layers of denim.
Great test!
My edc( unless im campaign or going to Atlanta)is 38special,so i don't use them.
But ALWAYS down to learn some ammo info!!
Thank u😊
My wife said she prefers the tip & expansion. 😮
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*HAha, She told me that too!*
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@ToolsandTargets have you tested Sig 10mm 180 grain 1250fps?
It takes more than two shots to characterize the terminal effects these bullets. When I helped test armor for an Army contractor it surprised me how despite the controlled environment the results varied considerably. You should standardize the metrics used for the evaluation and collect enough data to determine that the accuracy of the results are sufficient to provide a compelling argument. So until your sample size is large enough and the evaluation is standardized the results are not only incomplete but anecdotal. Thankyou for sharing this so we can talk about it. Iv always pondered the effectiveness of ballistic tipped ammunition. It looks more like a trend than anything else.
Thanks, now I got some tips I gotta go pull!
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Could a prosecutor use that against you? "Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury. This defendant modified his ammunition to cause greater harm to his victim."
@@traumajock I'd say a good defense attorney could argue that it was done as to not cause as much penetration. But who knows...
How would they know????
@@_Delta_P_ If a medical examiner couldn't find it during an autopsy...?
Questionable anti-clogging features aside, one big advantage of that insert can be ease of chambering. In my experience the difference is noticeable when chambering a 9mm FTX compared to a traditional hollowpoint. It's even more noticeable in caliber 380, to the point where an FTX actually chambers smoother than an FMJ. If you're buying something like a Shield-EZ or a Security-380 because you have grip strength issues that make it difficult to operate the slide, that extra smooth chambering might help to reduce jams due to shortstroking or fingers slipping off the slide mid-operation.
Agree! I have some 1911s that only reliable cycle FMJ and the critical defense ftx.
@@4g1vn I hadn't even considered that. I don't have a 1911 yet, but it's on my bucket list. Good to know there'll be at least one kind of hollowpoint that works when I get one.
@@herbderbler1585my 1911 hates weird bullet shapes. federal hst and hydrashok deep chamber just as good as fmj. hornady defense ammo has too many ftf for my case, along with speer gold dot, and basically just about any round that isnt a round nose
The small flying ashtray when you pull the plastic tip out!
Flying Thimble. 🤭
That's a good new name for those rounds, the Hornady critical defense, polymer preclogs
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Really good video Sr. I needed to see this
@0:24 75 degrees?!?!?! Take it from a Texan .... that is a slice of heaven.
That’s funny. I was thinking that exact same thing. I’m a Texan as well, originally from Beaumont but I say in Spring north of Houston. 75° is absolute bliss. 😅
Middle Georgia agrees it's a nice cool day .
From the DFW, I agree 100%!!!
@@abnrgr7569 less humid also I'd bet
From Wisco and I’d love 75 again
Thank you for sharing this information with us. I use this ammo in my EDC and I was interested in what would happen without the plug and I was extremely surprised in the results. With this information I would definitely take out the plug for maximum stopping power. You want the bullet to stop and do maximum damage asap. If you go to far through the target you risk becoming the active shooter by hitting past the target.
I picked up some fiocchi defense dynamics 9mm and 40 JHP
I can’t find testing on them anywhere. Good prices on 50 round boxes. Maybe we could see those tested one day 👍🏼🇺🇸 if they suck I’ll just use em up
Might have some of those.
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Isn't it just loaded with XTP bullets. I haven't bought any Fiocchi JHPs in a long time but I am positive the stuff I have is loaded with XTP
@@JesseLJohnson no those defense dynamics are different bullets. Fiocchi has a XTP line though
I love the Hornady Critical Duty and the Federal HST!
Definitely not trading my Federal HST's for Hornady's pre-clogged JHP. Nice test, well done!
The hornady critical defense with the insert is just their hornady XTP with an insert. That's why if I'm buying hornady it's either Critical DUTY or Hornady XTP. The XTP costs a lot less than the Critical defense and expands better. (As seen in this video.) That makes it a good self defense round because you don't have to worry as much about over penetration.
And, if you're just looking for the best 9mm Hornady round, Critical DUTY wins hands down. Only thing that you need to worry about with that round is over penetration. But it's great for self defense and great for beating barriers.
Surprising results indeed. Thanks for showing what really happens when the plug is pulled.
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Interesting test Tools! Never thought about pulling the tip before. Thanks for the video!
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That’s not what she said.
Why bother? Just go with HST or Gold Dot and don't look back.
Sometime ago I remember watching a video from the late Paul Harrell and he was testing different types of hyper ammo in 380 caliber. If I remember correctly the best results that he got was with the 90 grain Hornady critical defense in his meat targets.
Yup, but there are several brands in that caliber that work very well. Critical Defense is one that I carry with no worries. I also like the V-Crown and Hydra-Shock DEEP
Good test
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LOVE YOUR VIDEOS! I have been extremely satisfied with Hornady Critical Defense for years. Its my carry ammo. You surely don't have to worry about unintended pass through. Its the prefect defense ammo for home defense or carry.
I pulled the plugs out of some of the +P 135gr ones and shot a Wild Hog with it, it worked 😁
Thanks for the tests.
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Answering the important questions here 👏👏
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The Hornady way, charge extra for something that doesn't work! I'll pull the plug on mine too! Thanks.
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Well... it's trade off. More expansion but less penetrative. The brand appears to be consistent at least. Plus 25 round box for cheaper than a 20 round box of several other brands.
Thanks for this test! It makes sense, though I have never really thought about it. Hornady has traditionally traded less expansion for more penetration with the XTP line.
XTPs are surprisingly robust. Some years ago, for giggles, I pulled the 123gr FMJ bullets in some 7.62x39mm M43 ammunition and swapped out .312" 100gr XTPs (resized to .311") then shot them from a full length SKS. They were getting close to 2500 FPS and obliterating the water jugs I shot with them. The bullets I recovered had flattened and lost about half of their weight, but for a pistol bullet that I was pushing two and half times beyond its expansion threshold, I thought that was pretty good.
Those rounds are designed to go through barriers.. it’s why they have the insert so it can go through windshields and walls or whatever without rapidly expanding and still having energy to make it through
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This is why I make sure the hole in the middle of my JHP is as wide as will feed reliably (Golden Saber "Law Enforcement Only" marked box ammo feeds like ball in my 1911, and using Speer Gold Dot or other premium 124gr +p in my 9mm). I was always skeptical of the bullet dingus except in the LeveRevolution cartridges designed for safety in tube mags.
Man I enjoy this video Sir. Keep them coming. I am enjoying my Garmin Xero C1 Pro Chronograph and I am loving getting the velocity out of many different rounds. Thanks 🙏 for sharing Sir. Much love and respect 🫡!!
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Interesting results, thank you for your time and effort put into making and posting this information.
Nice test! Good video!
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Run this test again with a barrier and see if that makes a difference. Put like 3/4 (or maybe 1/2) inch plywood about a foot away and shoot through it to the gel. This would simulate engaging a target through a barrier (such as having to shoot through a windshield) to test for barrier blindness. I know lumber is expensive these days but I think it’s worth looking at.
Tools, I’d just like to say “thank you” for all the tests and your commitment to getting out the truth. I’m sure It’s a lot of time and money. Keep them coming and hopefully everyone watching likes, comments and subscribes to the channel.
Thank you sir. Appreciate that.😎👊
Coincidently I tested some of these Critical Defense in 40 S&W for accuracy yesterday out of a 3.1 " Shield and had a bunch of keyholing. Being that the gun is relatively new and has less than 500 rounds through it I have to assume the speed is lacking and causing the keyholing. On the same target I shot some Federal LE Tactical 165 grain . Federal" Put the Lead in the Red " and cut nice clean holes.
Interesting
Absolutely the best ammo testing and tool time on Bloobtoob.Keep em coming love the channel!
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I love you channel and I’ve always wondered how this would affect the performance, thank you for being that go to guy for ballistics
Shows how good that projectile actually is though. They might have given an insert to allow it to penetrate further with slightly less expansion.
Tools and targets always does good work!
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Very informative great idea to see the results with and without the insert. 100% agree with you on that test. Nice very interesting in deed. Another one for the data bank. I think it did as you called 👍 be safe. ⭐️🇺🇸🇺🇸⭐️
congrats on 88k Buddy
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Fun presentation Brian, with unexpected results
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I’ve done the same with the critical duty results were good no problem thru denim expansion was much better without the polymer tips..
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I know the pain of losing your shade tree. A storm took out the tree we used for shade when throwing knifes. It was not even a hurricane! Not even a bad storm- even by Florida standards
Pre-clotted is a great description. I wonder if having consisted properties of the clotting material gives consistent expansion. Cool video.
Looks that way. Thank you sir.😎👊
Great video! I’ve been wondering for years what would happen if I took the tip out. Thank you for your content.
I’ve often wondered about the effect the plastic tips have on expansion. Thank you for the comparison. Handy to know if hollow-points are illegal near you.
Great job 👍🏻 this is my main edc ammo and good to see how it performs. One thing I’d like to mention that I have noticed with this ammo is that they don’t crimp them to good. I had a like 5 bullets in a box that the bullets were loose and spinning in the casing. I have a total of over a dozen bullets I just set aside and not want to use them. Any home remedy trick of how to recrimp them is welcomed. Other that that I love this product.
GREAT TEST! I've always thought the insert was BS! Now we know! I've also been shopping, and the FN57 (Made by Hornady) doesn't come with the blue tip anymore. Now everyone will be taking a pick and removing their inserts...
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Oddly enough, in the Communist State of New Jersey, Critical Defense, and Duty, are exempted from the hollow point ban. Take the insert out, and you're a felon, if you have a carry license
@@GSAZYNSKI Dumb laws!
Thanks for your comparison. I don't use critical defense of duty. But, its nice to no about the design. I currently use Fed. Hydro shok Deep in 9mm. From your video reviews. Thanks so much. Next.....for me is. I what to find out if Hydro shok deep. 380 will past the test in 2.7"and 3.5"barrel in .380. Some times in summer I switch my .380 for carry.
I always wondered that !!!! Thanks
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@@ToolsandTargets I use 124 grain Speer Gold dots or Federal HST 's !!!
Really good test, Tools. Now we know!!!
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That was a very interesting test, Tools! I personally, thought the one without the insert was going to get clogged and cause the round to over-penetrate into the second block! I truly appreciate this test because these Hornadys are my EDC whenever I’m not. carrying a .45. Thanks again for all you do!
Great test very interesting thanks brain
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Glad to see you wearing a Cletus hat. My two favorite hobbies meet! Shooting and racing!
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I'd love to see this done with 44 magnum Leverevolution rounds. Entertaining as always bro!!
Very interesting! Thanks for the video!
I was happy my take was same as yours. I always thought of the insert as the insert prevents catastrophic failure to expand due to over clogging versus improving expansion. Also the additional penetration with good expansion seems like a fair tradeoff to me...
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Very interesting results Tools, That expanded more without the tip and I would have thought,great stuff. 👊🇺🇸
Same here. Thank you sir.😎👊
As usual, Strong Work!!
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Great test sir! This is what I carry and was a bit curious how they would perform without that insert. The results did surprise me!
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Very cool test. Interesting results!!!! Wasn't sure the results would be. Learned something for sure. Thank you.
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Great video. Good explanation of the bullet
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I did the same test with the 45-70 325 grain ftx and the one with out the tip was a pancake compared to the normal mushroom kind of expansion
Neat test bud! 👍
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They have a somewhat smaller hollow point hole size, don't they? I always figured part of the idea was to have a shape that might be better for feeding while making sure it will still always perform even if not as big as other rounds.
Yeah they do. Little spikes of jacket go inwards to hold the red insert in too.
I really like the critical defense in my 1912 seems to feed way better than hst
Great test is always Brian 👍
So how did you remove the insert without damaging the bullet?
Thank you sir. It really wasn't too bad. I just used a little small pick and worked it out around the edge until it popped on out.
@@ToolsandTargets I'll have to give it a try thanks again
You should try this experiment with some ribs there and see what happens. Cause you have a high chance of hitting them and you should try this with the hornety Critical duty and see how they compare
The polymer tip is to help that round cycle more reliably btw, at least from my experience with it.
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Ive seen similar results from the 22 magnum flex tip ammo! Darn it tools now i wanna see the critical duty (124+p and 135+p) without the tip too! They usually penetrate aorund 18-20" in clear gel and i bet expansion would drop it into the 16-14" range with a more impressive wound cavity!
Hornady definitely designed the tip as an enginerded clog versus an open hollow point that may run into thick denim or fleece that can clog up almost anything.
Yessir!! Just about to kick my feet up. Thank you!! 🙏
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I have a box of those right here in my room. They were given to me by a buddy to try out at the range to see if I like them. Honestly I prefer federal 147 grain jacketed hollow points.
Cool test. Nice work
Try adding a 3” barrel for ammo tests for all concealed carry viewers. This is a very common situation for many viewers. This test was for 4” as stated earlier. However, not much help for 3” carriers, we are still unsure of this ammo choice for us.
I've tested this ammo multiple times including 3" barrels. Nearly every single test I do includes a 3" barrel unless it's a specific outlier like this. This answered the question at hand in this specific test, regardless of barrel length.
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Would be nice to see you add some cloth materials over the gel for a more "real world" test. Would the open cavity hollow do "worse" compared to the polymer insert version after going thru 1, 2 or 3 layers of clothing material?
I don't use Hornet Hornady Critical Defense specifically because of those polymer tips. They get caught on my feed ramp and cause jams.
The expansion will always happen in the gel/tissue. The insert is to prevent plugging from denim/clothing prior to entering the body. You are not going to get “plugging” from the gel. The dense gel is what opens the pedals with or without an insert.
There is a heavy clothing barrier on here as I plainly stated and show, moron.
It was a great show once again. And now I wonder if you could compare 9mm to 22TCM (it still in the 9mm platform).
I may be wrong as I'm sure smarter people than myself have measured and tested and so forth but I think the basic reason for projectile expansion failure is velocities lower than 1000 fps... Maybe that polymer plug aids in the expansion even if that velocity is below the threshold but most of the tests i've seen it appears that when you're at 1100 fps or more there doesn't seem to be a problem with fabric spoiling the expansion effects.