@clark cimmerian well thats how battles were unless you are fighting someone non barbaric and a player is playing them heh. Also Unit sized should be on large not huge that I found to work much better.
Ahhh will definitely take a look at that. The strict realism mod I helped test for back in the day (made by members of the old Chivalry Total War team and Jam if I'm not mistaken) is outdated (not sure if it works anymore), but I will start digging. There certainly are a lot of mods for Shogun 2 out now...
Thank you for all your great reviews Gudea, much appreciated! Which mod (with as much objectivity as possible) is in your oppinion the best for Rome II, between DeI, WotG and the new Para Bellum?
Hmmm that's a good question. I haven't tried Para Bellum yet - will take a look at it! Seems like its installation has additional instructions... I'd say that I enjoy both DeI and WotG. Honestly, I enjoy vanilla Rome 2 as well... it's a tough call. DeI and WotG are very different mods... they are hard to compare. DeI is definitely more my style of mod (slower paced, more focused on building than constant battling). What kind of mod is Para Bellum?
@@GudeaTW Hard to describe, the campaign is a bit more WotG like, but the battles are amazing. They are the best since Total Realism III imo. I don't like the battles in DeI at all (campaign is nice though) and in WotG the battles feel too generic for me, even with Bran Mac's submod. I'd say campaign wise 6/10, 8/10 if someone likes WotG's campaign, in terms of battles 9/10 and in terms of asthetics it's the best total overhaul out there. It's incredibly beautiful, starting from the UI, unit cards, unit reskins all the way to sshaders and effects that the additional packs provide with the mod. So asthetically 9,5/10. Only Celticus HD reskins are better, which are only available for Vanilla as of now.
Economy in tw games is hard to balance because of how idiotic the AI is. When fighting against a player the AI really stands no chance except when it has numerical superiority which makes mods such as this easier since the player can easily field full stacks which takes away from the challenge. It is a problem of scaling down a realistic economy while at the same time realize that the AI can hardly tie its own shoelaces.
That's definitely true, and in so many mods that have difficult to manage economy systems, the AI is so horrible that it becomes too easy for the player. However, I have to say that Wars of the Gods is HARD - the AI will steamroll you quickly if you don't build up your armies immediately and make alliances (I should know.... lol)
@clark cimmerian well, it is busy I will tell you that. But I have yet to lose a full stack vs stack battle so it kind of makes it redundant having all that difficulty.
@clark cimmerian There is no reason to believe they were more or less than at any other period in history. I mean, they die too fast and units break too late.
In this mod I use the Slower /Hard Economy sub mod and it tough to keep my economy going I have to think what to build and what armies to keep in the field. The Realism sub mod does the same thing but the AI has a more difficult time.
Heheh will definitely keep up with the mod reviews... due to the events here, it's been hard to concentrate and work on reviews (LPs are somewhat easier for me), but I will try my best to keep them coming.
Hi Rishab, yes people have been suggesting Fall of the Eagles (and Europa Perdita). At some point I will review Fall of the Eagles by itself, and then with the Europa Perdita submod.
3:30 right there is exactly why no beautiful UI or stat tweaking or unit cards can make this game good to me. look at how the phalanx has completely sucked into itself and effectively doesn't exist while a cleverly planned charge does absolutely nothing. no impact. no hit. the enemy who has been charged just casually walks away into the black hole of the warscape phalanx. nothing can fix that.
I talk about this a bit in my DeI vid - Wars of the Gods is more like a Darthmod type game, while DeI is more Europa Barbarorum. Wars of the Gods has more battles and is faster paced, but a bit more grindy, while DeI is more slow-paced and encourages building, consolidating, and more decisive battles. It's up to you which one you prefer more!
I couldn't get into this one. Felt somewhat off to me and they seemed to just throw in a bunch of units without them figuring a use for them. DEI has some unit bloat too, especially with the Roman AOR system (hmmm, Lucanian hoplites or Oscan hoplites that have better stats?), but here it's like they give you a dozen of the same skirmishers to pick through.
It's very much in the vein of Darthmod in terms of the gameplay and design - lots of units, grindy campaign, epic/slow-paced battles... It's not the mod for me personally, but I can see why people enjoy it.
@@GudeaTW I can see that. Not for me, but to each their own. As for Darthmod, do you remember the one for RTW? I recall you could side charge a legionary with two cataphract units and the legionary would still win. Roman balance was thrown out the window in favor of just making them invincible.
There plenty of units to pick from cause they are from different surrounding cultures and all have different flavors and abilities. There are many many AOR units in the mod that you can only recruit from a certain area on the campaign map. Sounds like you did not play any campaigns-only custom battles.
@@jasonargos110 Yeah maybe I'd give it a second go. I did play campaign for a tiny bit and some of the economy and PO stuff felt rather simplified. Kind of more of a Roma Surrectum deal where DEI is more of a Europa Barbarorum. Maybe going at it again will give me more of a formed opinion, but I've lost enough of my life to Total War as is.
My understanding of the mod is that the money is intentionally set high to encourage building a lot of armies, it's a mod that prioritizes battles over campaign management from what I've seen.
It is set hightfor the ai factions so they will not be steam rolled by the player as Rome 2 is very easy. For the player they can use the Hard Economy sub mod and or the Slower campaign sub mod Or the Realism sub mod. to concentrate on campaign management. If campaign management is really your thing them Total War is not the game to play. I would recommend playing Imperator Rome by Paradox. Total War has always been centered around fighting battles and war-thus the name of the series.
What about the turn times? I don't expect it to be affectable since it's an engine flaw, but what keeps me off of Rome 2 FOREVER are the atrocious loading times and endturn times.
When Rome 2 first released turn times were long, but now they're actually pretty quick for me... And I'm running it on a slow hard drive. Wars of the gods has pretty quick turn times too. DeI's are slower
I'd say Wars of the Gods is definitely more battle focused while Divide et Impera is more campaign focused. However, Wars of the Gods does have submods that allow for a slower, more deliberate campaign.
If you want a slower paced game with diplomacy etc. then you would have to use the Wars of the Gods-Slower Campaign sub mod. I do not use it myself cause I want action from turn one.
@@GudeaTW Yes there are several sub mods that do that-Slower Campaign and Hard Economy and Balanced Campaign and the Realism Campaign sub mods. That is why I think this is the best mod cause you can fine tune it to your play style-they even have different battle ai sub mods too.
I the most resent version that starting money has been cut by 50% or more. I use the Harder Rome sub mod myself as playing Rome faction now is more difficult.
I can say i love your reviews but rome 2 was a big disappointment for me not so much in a campaign aspect. Unit collision is just broken . Rome 1 had a better engine
@@notevenclown9304 not only the responsiveness, but the mechanics as well. RTW's battle engine has more complex mechanics (regarding missile damage from various sides of the unit, weapon damage, etc)
You start with a good amount of money but things are expensive. Trade is very important. If you want a more difficult economy there are sub mods for that.
Hi Farid, I will work on such a video - perhaps a top 5! I know there are a lot of great Rome 2 mods, like Hellenika, Rise of Christianity, Restitutor Orbis, etc...
@@GudeaTW hey I’m so so so so sorry for the late reply. Been very busy :( It’s an overhaul mod focused on alternate history and I’m trying to make it as unique as possible. Look up NEW WORLD in the workshop and give it a look :) play around a little, and feel free to join the Discord server where you can see what I’ve been working on for the next update!
This mod is for those players that want to play a WAR GAME. It can be a brutal experience on higher difficulties. I would play on Normal first with the Slower campaign sub mod.. I tried the Slaughter sub mod and got well slaughtered. Battles in this mod are and can be very tough going- you have to bring your A game. Just do not play battles on very hard cause you will lose too many men. Around turn 50+ is when thing get very hairy on the campaign map. I think that for a lot of players this mod will be too difficult- It is made that way-Wars are dangerous.
Well just another stupid comment from you trolling about this mod. Not broken at all.. in fact quite the brilliant mod with dozens of brilliant sub mods. Amazing battles too.
@@jasonargos110 yeah brilliant mod :-). Completely broken mod. Duplicate units with different names, weird and nonsensical economy, this mod looks like a bag of ideas from other mods. The teams from Divide et Impera and Para Bellum showed what a good mod should look like.
Have you tried Wars of the Gods? What is your favorite mod for Rome 2?
Divide er Impera, it has now Region Trade with a Submod
@@executrix2224 yeah... dei is hard to beat!
@clark cimmerian battles in Dei last perfectly long. You have to set it to normal battle difficulty or the stats will be broken.
@clark cimmerian well thats how battles were unless you are fighting someone non barbaric and a player is playing them heh. Also Unit sized should be on large not huge that I found to work much better.
@clark cimmerian yeah for the phalanx its better still large stops battles against humans from being a blobby mess
Oh man i am glad you doing great and getting those subs, best tw chanel by far
Thank you very much! :)
@@GudeaTW yes I can agree you and Apollo are my favorites
Clear and well thought out review. Looking forward to future reviews
Thank you! I appreciate it.
Would love your recommended mods for Shogun 2. Especially realism improvements.
Ahhh will definitely take a look at that. The strict realism mod I helped test for back in the day (made by members of the old Chivalry Total War team and Jam if I'm not mistaken) is outdated (not sure if it works anymore), but I will start digging. There certainly are a lot of mods for Shogun 2 out now...
Great review man 👍
Thanks very much!
Have you played the newest version of this mod 10.8? Just awesome game play. My new favorite Rome 2 overhaul.
Will give it a try, thanks.
You're welcome - hope you like it!
Certainly made me want to try it
It's worth a try! There are so many optional settings to add and try that you can tailor it to your wants.
Thank you for all your great reviews Gudea, much appreciated!
Which mod (with as much objectivity as possible) is in your oppinion the best for Rome II, between DeI, WotG and the new Para Bellum?
Hmmm that's a good question. I haven't tried Para Bellum yet - will take a look at it! Seems like its installation has additional instructions... I'd say that I enjoy both DeI and WotG. Honestly, I enjoy vanilla Rome 2 as well... it's a tough call. DeI and WotG are very different mods... they are hard to compare. DeI is definitely more my style of mod (slower paced, more focused on building than constant battling). What kind of mod is Para Bellum?
@@GudeaTW Hard to describe, the campaign is a bit more WotG like, but the battles are amazing. They are the best since Total Realism III imo. I don't like the battles in DeI at all (campaign is nice though) and in WotG the battles feel too generic for me, even with Bran Mac's submod.
I'd say campaign wise 6/10, 8/10 if someone likes WotG's campaign, in terms of battles 9/10 and in terms of asthetics it's the best total overhaul out there. It's incredibly beautiful, starting from the UI, unit cards, unit reskins all the way to sshaders and effects that the additional packs provide with the mod. So asthetically 9,5/10. Only Celticus HD reskins are better, which are only available for Vanilla as of now.
@@GudeaTW PB is almost same like WotG. Battles in DEI are boring and too slow, big problem is turm time after 100-200 turns.
I can't seem to find any of your campaigns of War of the Gods mod
Economy in tw games is hard to balance because of how idiotic the AI is. When fighting against a player the AI really stands no chance except when it has numerical superiority which makes mods such as this easier since the player can easily field full stacks which takes away from the challenge. It is a problem of scaling down a realistic economy while at the same time realize that the AI can hardly tie its own shoelaces.
That's definitely true, and in so many mods that have difficult to manage economy systems, the AI is so horrible that it becomes too easy for the player. However, I have to say that Wars of the Gods is HARD - the AI will steamroll you quickly if you don't build up your armies immediately and make alliances (I should know.... lol)
@clark cimmerian well, it is busy I will tell you that. But I have yet to lose a full stack vs stack battle so it kind of makes it redundant having all that difficulty.
@clark cimmerian maybe. I normally like more realistic mods though and casualties in this mod and DEI are already way too high for my taste.
@clark cimmerian There is no reason to believe they were more or less than at any other period in history. I mean, they die too fast and units break too late.
In this mod I use the Slower /Hard Economy sub mod and it tough to keep my economy going I have to think what to build and what armies to keep in the field. The Realism sub mod does the same thing but the AI has a more difficult time.
Rome 2 and shogun 2 2d art are amazing in my opinion
Shogun 2 is my favorite in terms of total war 2d art, followed by med 1
@@GudeaTW shogun 2 has more colourful and unique 2d art I have seen in games and I would choose shogun 2's 2d art above the others
Now we're talikn....
Heheh will definitely keep up with the mod reviews... due to the events here, it's been hard to concentrate and work on reviews (LPs are somewhat easier for me), but I will try my best to keep them coming.
Would it be possible for you to make a video of this mod since it has a couple updates since this review I think
Attila Fall of the Eagles with/without Europa Perdita mod review please....ur insights are very helpful...Saty safe 🙏
Hi Rishab, yes people have been suggesting Fall of the Eagles (and Europa Perdita). At some point I will review Fall of the Eagles by itself, and then with the Europa Perdita submod.
I dislike fall of the eagles and europa perdita because hordes dont survive at all
@@Smaug2b Hordes just weren't worked on. The Alans still get Germanic units while nomadic and only Alanic units when settled.
Really great review
Similar to Roma Surrectum II for Rome 1. My favorite Rome II mod
It is rather similar to RS2 good call
I really like this mod over dei. Its alot of fun
Indeed it is more fun and not tedious to play like some other overhauls mods. It is very bloody though-battles are brutal.
@@jasonargos110 javelin men do some real damage in this mod. Slingers to
@@Scurge237 Yes indeed that is why I always have some to deal with pike armies.
3:30 right there is exactly why no beautiful UI or stat tweaking or unit cards can make this game good to me. look at how the phalanx has completely sucked into itself and effectively doesn't exist while a cleverly planned charge does absolutely nothing. no impact. no hit. the enemy who has been charged just casually walks away into the black hole of the warscape phalanx. nothing can fix that.
xD good observation
The question is: Do you reccomend this or DEI?
I talk about this a bit in my DeI vid - Wars of the Gods is more like a Darthmod type game, while DeI is more Europa Barbarorum. Wars of the Gods has more battles and is faster paced, but a bit more grindy, while DeI is more slow-paced and encourages building, consolidating, and more decisive battles. It's up to you which one you prefer more!
@@GudeaTW Ok thanks for answer!
I couldn't get into this one. Felt somewhat off to me and they seemed to just throw in a bunch of units without them figuring a use for them. DEI has some unit bloat too, especially with the Roman AOR system (hmmm, Lucanian hoplites or Oscan hoplites that have better stats?), but here it's like they give you a dozen of the same skirmishers to pick through.
It's very much in the vein of Darthmod in terms of the gameplay and design - lots of units, grindy campaign, epic/slow-paced battles... It's not the mod for me personally, but I can see why people enjoy it.
@@GudeaTW I can see that. Not for me, but to each their own. As for Darthmod, do you remember the one for RTW? I recall you could side charge a legionary with two cataphract units and the legionary would still win. Roman balance was thrown out the window in favor of just making them invincible.
There plenty of units to pick from cause they are from different surrounding cultures and all have different flavors and abilities. There are many many AOR units in the mod that you can only recruit from a certain area on the campaign map. Sounds like you did not play any campaigns-only custom battles.
@@jasonargos110 Yeah maybe I'd give it a second go. I did play campaign for a tiny bit and some of the economy and PO stuff felt rather simplified. Kind of more of a Roma Surrectum deal where DEI is more of a Europa Barbarorum. Maybe going at it again will give me more of a formed opinion, but I've lost enough of my life to Total War as is.
Its not that it felt off its just not fun to play at all.
My understanding of the mod is that the money is intentionally set high to encourage building a lot of armies, it's a mod that prioritizes battles over campaign management from what I've seen.
Yes, not really my style
It is set hightfor the ai factions so they will not be steam rolled by the player as Rome 2 is very easy. For the player they can use the Hard Economy sub mod and or the Slower campaign sub mod Or the Realism sub mod. to concentrate on campaign management. If campaign management is really your thing them Total War is not the game to play. I would recommend playing Imperator Rome by Paradox. Total War has always been centered around fighting battles and war-thus the name of the series.
That main menu is beautiful. Did it come from a movie?
No idea
is this mod better or para bellum can anybody guide please?
What about the turn times? I don't expect it to be affectable since it's an engine flaw, but what keeps me off of Rome 2 FOREVER are the atrocious loading times and endturn times.
When Rome 2 first released turn times were long, but now they're actually pretty quick for me... And I'm running it on a slow hard drive. Wars of the gods has pretty quick turn times too. DeI's are slower
which mod is better for those who prefer diplomacy and play on the global map more than battles?
I'd say Wars of the Gods is definitely more battle focused while Divide et Impera is more campaign focused. However, Wars of the Gods does have submods that allow for a slower, more deliberate campaign.
Civilization 6
If you want a slower paced game with diplomacy etc. then you would have to use the Wars of the Gods-Slower Campaign sub mod. I do not use it myself cause I want action from turn one.
@@GudeaTW Yes there are several sub mods that do that-Slower Campaign and Hard Economy and Balanced Campaign and the Realism Campaign sub mods. That is why I think this is the best mod cause you can fine tune it to your play style-they even have different battle ai sub mods too.
Will you be covering DEI next?
It's definitely on my radar! Probably not next though.
Rome starts with 60k money and 36k gain per turn... Definitely use this with the economy mod.
absolutely
I the most resent version that starting money has been cut by 50% or more. I use the Harder Rome sub mod myself as playing Rome faction now is more difficult.
Awsome dude you discribed me clearly
I still want someone to translate shogun 1 to rome 1's engine. Its either 2d mess or loses the charm of rome 1 in the new engine.
There is such a mod - Ran no Jidai. I will be reviewing it!
@@GudeaTW and i will definitely be playing it. Thanks!
I can say i love your reviews but rome 2 was a big disappointment for me not so much in a campaign aspect. Unit collision is just broken . Rome 1 had a better engine
Rome 1's battle engine is the best. Not even Med 2 can touch it
@@GudeaTW I think medieval 2 is better for its era because battles where a lot slower than early antiquity
@@notevenclown9304 not only the responsiveness, but the mechanics as well. RTW's battle engine has more complex mechanics (regarding missile damage from various sides of the unit, weapon damage, etc)
how do i make the cost of my units and the Ai units fair?
Here ya go! steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2078905770
What is the economy like? Hate DEI’s economy
You start with a good amount of money but things are expensive. Trade is very important. If you want a more difficult economy there are sub mods for that.
Make top 10 mods for rome total war rome 2 plz
Hi Farid, I will work on such a video - perhaps a top 5! I know there are a lot of great Rome 2 mods, like Hellenika, Rise of Christianity, Restitutor Orbis, etc...
@@GudeaTW please check out my overhaul titled Total War: NEW WORLD. There’s a massive update coming soon too!
Ohh nice. What kind of overhaul is it?
@@GudeaTW hey I’m so so so so sorry for the late reply. Been very busy :(
It’s an overhaul mod focused on alternate history and I’m trying to make it as unique as possible. Look up NEW WORLD in the workshop and give it a look :) play around a little, and feel free to join the Discord server where you can see what I’ve been working on for the next update!
This is better than dei.
This mod is for those players that want to play a WAR GAME. It can be a brutal experience on higher difficulties. I would play on Normal first with the Slower campaign sub mod.. I tried the Slaughter sub mod and got well slaughtered. Battles in this mod are and can be very tough going- you have to bring your A game. Just do not play battles on very hard cause you will lose too many men. Around turn 50+ is when thing get very hairy on the campaign map. I think that for a lot of players this mod will be too difficult- It is made that way-Wars are dangerous.
Looks like DEI Lite
In terms of gameplay it isn't really like DeI at all. Much much faster paced, with an extremely aggressive AI
Nothing lie DEI a at all, this mod is way better
@@lencampey5685 Indeed it is nothing like DEI at all. This mod is a proper war game. The battles and the campaign AI is way more challenging.
Broken mod with weird statistics, copy units and silly economy.
Well just another stupid comment from you trolling about this mod. Not broken at all.. in fact quite the brilliant mod with dozens of brilliant sub mods. Amazing battles too.
@@jasonargos110 yeah brilliant mod :-). Completely broken mod. Duplicate units with different names, weird and nonsensical economy, this mod looks like a bag of ideas from other mods. The teams from Divide et Impera and Para Bellum showed what a good mod should look like.
total fucking mod with Rome II never never download