Buck hunting: dogwalker gets angry
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 พ.ย. 2009
- As deerstalker Roy Lupton starts to gralloch a lame buck he has culled, a dog walker shouts that he is a 'cruel b*****d' for 'shooting stags'. Roy, frustrated by the ignorance of some people, decides to show the woman exactly why he was committed to finding this animal. This item appears on TH-cam in Fieldsports Britain, episode 7. To watch the whole show go to Fcha.nl/fieldsportsbritain7
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People in their ivory towers always think they're somehow helping nature by being loud obnoxious blowhards, but the real environmentalists are the hunters working hand in hand with the fish and wildlife department, or whatever you call it over there.
People want to think nature is all peace and harmony, but it's not; quite the contrary, and for life - any life - to live, some other life MUST die. There is no getting around that, and I think too many people in modern society are so disconnected with nature that they don't realize death is an integral part of preserving life. It's far more humane to shoot a wounded or starving animal than it is to be "cruelty free" and let it continue suffering. Not to mention, taking out older animals can yield some great meat, paves the way for the younger animals, and grants the older animal a quick, clean death as opposed to being ripped apart and eaten alive by dogs, wolves, mountain lions, or bears.
Game meat is so good, too! 100% natural diet, the animal lived a life of freedom, and you kill it yourself, so you KNOW the animal didn't suffer... unless you're a bad shot, in which case get your butt out to the range more often and get good!
Probably called "The Royal Cabinet of Her Majesty's Flora and Fauna"
We got mountain lions, bear and all kinds of deer, running through the streets of our cities in Canada, and its not long before some tree hugging environmentalist is calling for help to get the hazards out of their yards.
all that old crap about the "noble" hunter as conservationist is all bullshit! it takes qualified scientists, biologists etc. to understand the ecology of wildlife and the systems they occupy and NOT a bunch of science iliterate sixth grade educated rednecks! and as if all hunters shoot are the sick and weak animals! really? come on man thats total bullshit! what hunters want are the very biggest and healthiest animals! it has ALWAYS been about large sizes. it is hunters who deprive animal populations of the very healthiest gene pools! it is why there are no more thirty foot crocodiles or twelve foot tall brown bears or 75 lb. salmon. because humans have taken those genes out of existence over the last 5,000 yrs! and as far as trophy hunting/thrill killing goes, well if you are doing it for the short lived thrill or to put the animals head on a wal then you are a sick fucker who needs some professional help!
In America it is against the law to interfere with lawful hunting.
You best stay there then.
@@Cupit29 enjoy your nanny state
@@parzeveltheblunt139 In this case it's the US that's the nanny state, idiot 😂
Same here in Sweden.
How so we are literally the best at just about everything, the UK has been playing catch up since the revolutionary war and still hasn’t caught up lol
"Notice how the hunter confidently approaches the wild "Karen" in her natural environment forcing her to back down from his kill" She's a muppet.
😂 loved this
But aren’t Karen’s in the wild more dangerous than lions
Texas only a few days a month
No No no.... muppets are cute and cuddly,, this Bitch is ugly and horrid.
This comment should have been pinned at the top.
Then she went home and had a lovely lamb lunch
I wish I could afford lamb wait I can because I hunt mountain sheep. Tasty and costs me 45 dollars for my tag and free because I ride my horse.
LilFluffBall Never hunted sheep. I have a farm in Ohio. Not many mountain sheep here..lol
none of your business this is just too funny hahaha
Or roast beef .. God but I would hate to have to contend with such dim witted people. So glad I'm not British. Absolutely no offence meant .
Unless she's one of the many millions of vegetarians in the UK.
Thought it was funny how quick she was to say "Not my dog!"
Because its never "their" dog. Filthy hypocrites.
Far as i am concerned their pets have no place in the wild. Same goes for domestic cats wiping native birds out.
Her dog was on a lead to be fair.
Cupit this time. Only because she seen the hunters.
How do you know love. Does ot stay with you at all times of tge leed? I doubt it
@assassinlexx Me- your dog is chasing my horses. Neighbour- not my dog, he's right here. Me- ok, I'll just go shoot it then! Neighbour- Hold on, I'll be right there!
She'd have a nervous breakdown in Georgia
She would shiver if she was within 100 miles of the US
@@esco5593 People also wouldn't be shooting deer outside your back garden. You guys forget how dense and small the UK is.
She needs to move to Montana!
Hell yeah! Georgia proud!!
yeah at how weenie and small your deer are compared to up north
I run My Dog on a Forty Foot Leash. It's amazing how much he can do. But the one thing he can't do is Forty One Feet.
@Derrick K if your dog is so well behaved you should have no problem keeping it on a leash. It also takes training to get a dog to behave in public on a leash. The point is no matter how well your dog is trained IF something happens 40feet gives you no time to react and do something. Again this is in public areas. On your own property let your dog loose. This type of thinking makes dog owners look bad.
I bet his dog's so friendly it will let a thief take everything he has . the dogs you mentioned are not doing those jobs in city or near alot of people. My dog watches over its family and home and is trained . my dog doesn't go off running after people , but will get very angry and warn you if you get to close .
Forgot i always keep leashed in public never want a legal issues
As long as you eat what you kill, and don't over harvest, there is nothing wrong with hunting. More humane than factory farming imho.
My deceased rabbits go to a zoo 4 animal feed
At 5:05, after seeing the hoof damage “and at some point, he’s lost an ear”.
Based on this deers injuries, I’d guess he got into a fight with Mike Tyson.
Ear damage is classic Dog Injury. Dogs will pull animals down on run Weather Rabbit to Tigers the legs and ears are a hold point(s),when animals stop than some dogs will than go neck,most dogs in teams will have a holding point a large dog like the woman is walking can easly injury large animals like a Deer.
@@dandybounddandybound1064 what really I thought it was actually mike tyson ?
Dog damaged the ear my staff bull will go for the ear on my neighbors Rudolf Xmas display and drag it off by the hoof its plastic 3 ft high with fur and a red nose but will not kill jest hold till the boss ie me gives him a pat good boy
It's cruel says the woman whose dog is running wild scaring all the wildlife and probably causing injuries! Causing ground nesting birds to desert nests etc etc. Utter hypocrisy!
Did you ever have to face a old hag like that?
Would be cruel to the dog to not have him run freely. Though I'd propose the solution for that is to not "own" a animal.
You know there is nothing wrong with dog walkers or dogs running free. One can be very responsible whilst letting run free. That isn’t true with every dog walker. Please don’t put us in the same category as the fools with dogs! But the main point is if you have a dog and keep it on a lead because you can’t control it, you have no business owning a dog! Now when it comes to the hunters moaning, you use Dogs all day long to hunt, kill and mame so get off your self righteous high horses 🐎
@@billybob6397 Sorry but Duck Hunt isn't an accurate representation of hunting, what a muppet. Modern hunters are either staying at long range with their rifles, or sitting perched in a tree. There is clearly something wrong with having your dog run free if its chasing the local fauna and damaging habitat. The animals that live in our remaining forests have 10000 times more right to be there than your stupid corgy.
Cerdon lol, ever heard of coursing? I’d consider that to be more of a “hunt” than some toff sitting at range or in a tree stand! Muppet!! And you realise dogs were domesticated? Just because humans took them from their habitat, does that mean they lose the right to be there? Dogs should be free. People who can’t control their dogs shouldn’t own them!!
Most if not all dog owners are in denial, you hear all the time "My dog wouldn't do that" until the day comes it does! Never give a dog a chance to disappoint you because chances are it will.
Or you can properly train your dog to obey your commands....
@@Long-Horse Unless you get one like mine. It's a Setter Pointer- an upsetter and a disappointer.
@@georgesakellaropoulos8162 Never had one they seem like good dogs though.
Its negligence on the part of many dog owners. They don't realize how aggressive dogs can get until they lock their dogs in the house and don't properly move them around. They will get restless and attack anything in sight. If there was a better understand of how to properly take care of dogs and their needs it wouldn't be such an issue but people treat dogs like cats and they just aren't. Cats can wait, dogs can't and won't
I know my dog wouldn't...
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It's a bit difficult for Chihuahuas to do anything remotely harmful to deer!
In Canada this "dog walker" person could be charged, first for trying to disrupt a legal legitimate hunt, second for allowing the dog to run without a leash where wildlife are known to be.
In America, she'd most likely get shot in self defense.
There's not many laws about leads in the UK, I'm quite glad about that but there is a law about "out of control" dogs, which are caused by ignorant owners. Like "letting your dog chase for fun"??? Unless it's a chihuahua in which case would be very funny lol.
@@emmahandy1512 If it's on your property, shoot the dog.
@@Spruce-Bug here in the us we couldn't shoot a dog that wanders onto our land unless it attempts to attack me or any of my pets/livestock. Livestock coming onto our land is 100% legal to shoot tho.while back had a local farmers who didn't care his cows were trampling onto my land at night then returning to his property until I said I would shoot them the next time I did. He fixed that fence pretty quick.he did have a 400lb hog get loose however and my love for bacon led me to shoot it along with the thousands of dollars in damage it made to my crops.
@@emmahandy1512 My sister had a chihuahua/dachsund mix that was about the size of a large cat. One time, he got loose in my grandma's yard and dashed over to the cow field next door. He was running lickety-split around the two cows that were there, barking his head off. My mom, who witnessed it, said that the cows just looked at him like "seriously? We're supposed to move for YOU?"
The one thing I'm jealous of with Euro hunters is that they can legally use a suppressor without having to wait 6-9 months for ATF approval. I still don't understand this logic...
How is waiting such a bad thing, once its over you have it.. In sweden supressors are licens items like rifles, and we are not allowed to use them on rimfires (well its more complicated). But there is nothing more then paying a couple bucks and waiting for permit. Ods of getting denied is small. I have 2 supressors, i use them on my 308 and 6.5 grendel. Otoh, i can only legaly own 6 guns at most unless i have a collectors license or join a shooting club.
Rifles on hunting permits i can train with on the range, but rifles on competition license i cant hunt with.. weird, as it can be the same rifle.
There is no logic to it. Bad guys rarely use suppressors anyways. In 20 years as a cop I have never recovered a firearm from a bad guy equipped with a suppressor. That law is pointless. I have gotten illegal SBS's, lots of cheap autos and some 22 revolvers. Most common hiding places is the seat cushion of a wheelchair (I've seen it personally 3 times) and front seat or console of cars. Happens frequently even in the small town I work in. They have all been loaded with FMJ rounds except the 2 Khar 9mm 2 years ago that still had Hornady Critical defense the owner had left in it when the crook lifted it from his parked car in his driveway.
@@jmkhenka It wouldn't be so bad if suppressors were treated like regular firearms in America but they are controlled to the same level as a machine gun or an anti tank rifle. No license is needed but it is a complex and convoluted registration and tax scheme there really isnt anything like it in another country. It would be like if you had to apply for a new firearms license every time you wanted to buy a suppressor.
@@josephvanas6352 In the UK we kind of do. We apply for a firearms licence to allow us to buy specific firearms that we have asked for, and proven that we need. Several firearms can be put on the licence initially but all need to be justified. If we want another firearm later though, suppressor included, we have to apply for a "variation" - basically send in our license along with a form stating what we want, why we need it etc and a payment for the service and they will add it on. The silly part is if I sell my .30-06 for example, I need to send the license back to have a new .30-06 allowance added to it to allow me to replace it. So we can't even swap like for like without going through the process. Also, it's not always allowed. If the police don't think my reason to have it is justified they will refund my payment and tell me I can't have it.
We're also told how much ammo we're allowed to have, and what we're allowed to shoot with the gun and sometimes where we can shoot it too. That could be targets only, and only at an approved range. Or if we can show that we need to shoot animals - rabbit, foxes, deer etc then that's allowed if they think we're safe enough to do it. It could be restricted to an area that's been checked and deemed safe for shooting by the police, usually new shooters have an area restriction but it is removed so we can decide for ourselves what is safe once we're more experienced.
Someone like Roy in this video will probably have an "open" license which will allow him to shoot anywhere the owner of the land says he can. He will probably also be allowed to shoot "any lawful quarry" - so whatever animals need dealing with, it's up to him. But he will still need to do the applications for each gun, suppressor etc and prove that he needs them.
Logic is ATF hate you and wants at least 200 bucks. And then to remind you they hate you. You need a form to leave the state with it. ATF is the problem. Not you they need to go away and let them just regulate supressors like firearms
its always "its not my dog"
Yes, until the day it isn't lol. I love dogs, but while in the woods I've found so many people never keep them on leash even where required. A fellow mt biker once told me about the time this dog just walked up while he was dismounted and literally just bit him in the arse out of the blue. Drew blood. When the owner (a lady much like the one in the video) came up, she was clueless. "oh he's never done that before," she exclaimed. Yeh well now he has!
Same as not my Johnny. He's a good boy. 😂
These cretin dog owners can literally watch their dog maul an animal to death and then say, "It wasn't MY dog".
@@bruceparks3124 I like to maul hunters.
Prove it?
In the village where I live, a new recreation field was opened. My cousin's husband farmed sheep in fields around the field. Several of his lambs were savaged by dogs and some died for no apparent reason. The dead sheep were examined and it would appear that when the council mowed the sports field, dog faeces were propelled through the chain link fence. The sheep were apparently killed by some form of dog worm. When my children were attacked and bitten by two terriers, I shouted across to the owners to put them back on their leads. One of the owners shouted that her dogs had as much right to run around as my "effing" children. When I managed to land a decent boot to the head of one of these dogs, she pulled out her mobile and called the police. I waited for the police to arrive but none did so I was unable to show them the bite wounds on my 6 year old son, my 8 year old daughter and me. On the same field I was told to "eff" off when I asked if a bloke was going to pick up the crap his dog had just left.
Grendel Grendelson Not all dog 🐶 carers or dogs 🐶 are like that. It’s bad for you and your children, but it’s not an excuse to hurt, harm or kill dogs 🐶 or any other sentient beings unnecessarily...
@@victoriasalter1701 it wasn't unnecessary though the dog had attacked her kids that gives you every right to harm or even kill them, I tell you what if a human came and hurt my kids I'd make damn well sure that I'd harm or kill them same with any animal.
@@alexpulman7037 can't blame you had to put down a pitbull that would attack this girl at one of my father's rental properties, some are not taught to behave or to attack. Damn thing started running at me so my dad and I unloaded over 30 rounds into him. That dog still was moving and trying to bark till I finished him off with a headshot. This was a 80 ish lb dog btw
Assholes a farmer freind of mine lost a lot of lambs one year. I helped clean up the mess. I have hated sheep killers ever since
@@victoriasalter1701shut the fuvk up you mentality ill bitch. If anything harms me or my children then it dies. If i met you in real life I'd slap the hell out of you and spit in your asshole.
Just made me laugh how he carried the leg over to her 😂
It was attached to him.
Especially as he has a really bad limp himself...his pal needs to humanely dispatch him :)
Ironically the bloke has quite a limp.
@gamewildkid he only has one big one he lost one when a dog chased him and it got caught in a fence.
Doesn't look too strenuous!
@@mrphatmunkeyspew6969 hahaha, spat my tea out😂😂😂
James Fox my apologies sir I hope I didn’t cause you any tea stained carpet
Take him out boys
You killed a healthy a rutting buck, but denied it, bang out of order and lost your case right there .
finally some logic in this comment section.
Look at that silly cow, enjoying a well maintained countryside and heckling the people that conserve it!!!!
It always pisses me off, they get all the benefits , and usually eat meat too, but don`t want to get their hands dirty and have a go at people that conserve the land and make meat available to them!!!
Do u seriously think it's conservation to murder animals. There is such thing as natural pretdors who acutely eat their kills instead of keeping them as trophies. Dang, wonder how much pain the deer was when he was shot.
Addy Barrett what natural predators do deer have in the U.K ?
Luke Whitehouse none except man.
@@addybarrett4468 Hunters spend more money on wildlife preservation and conservation than anyone else, including governments. Fisherman also spend more on conservation and preservation than anyone, including governments. Also, even trophies are eaten. You didn't honestly think that a mounted head or stuffed animal is the actual animal, did you?
@@addybarrett4468 Are humans not part of nature? Did we evolve in a laboratory somewhere, apart from Earths other creatures?
It’s hilarious the guy with the limp took out the lame buck. 😂
Double standards😆
It’s very ironic. I have taken out a few lame animals in my time and they are always in surprisingly good condition , they are not genetic deformities but traumatic and they are unlikely to breed anyhow. That said , they are susceptible to further attack by dogs
Maybe there is something Freudian going on.
I wonder if he would find it ok to be killed because of this...
@@MajorJimPlays in all seriousness , if you need to cull manage a species , it makes sense to take the inured ones.
I live in London, but the ignorance of that woman who clearly lives in the countryside astounds me.
Managed populations of these estates mean a healthy population
Hypocrisy of that Karen with her dog off the lead, the very thing that causes injuries to the deer, is astonishing.
Dog was on a lead idiot.
Anyone else finding it funny how they explain in one sentence what they're doing and she responds in the next accusing them of hunting for fun.
But isn't hunting fun? If it's so un-fun then why do we do it?
@@muffintop420 it's a lot more complicated than it being just fun, everything about it is a wonderful experience which allows you to have a complicated relationship with nature itself. But certain aspects of it is pretty fun yeah
@@zajagter2888 Well duh, I'm an avid hunter so need to explain. I just hate how ppl say you can't hunt for fun, only for food.
@@muffintop420 oh
@@muffintop420 Google population dynamics and natural resources population maagement.
It's pretty straight forward and commonly understood knowledge.
Why don't you know anything about it?
I would simply say, “This has nothing to do with you. Mind your own business.”
he should have ordered her of the estate , only right to roam law in Scotland i know of.
There is a move to pass a MANDATORY firearms insurance act in many states in the USA. Like car, firearms owners will be charged an insurance premium each year to defray costs of firearms in hospital. A handgun may be $500 a year to possess. "Assault " weapons Twice that. The 2A is going away.
This is conservational hunting. It helps make deer herds stronger and PREVENTS suffering by taking out lame or injured animals. I'm getting a dog soon but no way would I let it off the lead in a deer park or around livestock. We don't have cougar, bears or wolves here, so the deer's predator is the human being. Even predators like wolves will go for sick or lame deer. Deer management is done to strengthen deer populations and to try and get the strongest genes passed on. Please be considerate and keep your dog on a lead when deer or livestock are close by.
That would be a good reason to reintroduce bears and wolves to the UK. I understand they've been extinct there since the 18th century. Not only to keep deer herds under control and healthier, but also to teach dog owners a lesson. Your dogs are running loose where they aren't supposed to be and then is attacked and possibly killed by a bear or wolf pack. Then they'll know how it feels to pay vet bills or loose their precious pet, like some people have lost livestock and wild animals because of irresponsible dog owners.
@@baddriversofmoosejaw8681 There are no out of control deer herds here. This isn't Montana where there is 100's of miles of open wilderness. There is always a house 500m from you everywhere in the UK. The density is much much greater. Introducing wolves or bears into the UK would just lead to mass bear and wolf attacks.
@@baddriversofmoosejaw8681 bears and wolves will never come back to the UK but lynx and bison might.
@@hiddenknowledge2012 bears don't really attack unless cornered or threatening there Cubs. Wolves however are pack hunters and on a few occasions have required me to shoot and kill a few to ward them off. Lynx would be a pretty good one tho, never encountered a living one tho just frozen in traps
If it promotes taking our sick animals. Explain why he shot a perfectly normal healthy deer in the back of the neck shortly after he killed the injured one.
4:14 “behind the shoulder” the shoulder in the neck you mean
It's in Enland so he probably meant "Behind the shoulder" in terms of the angle as the seer was facing away from him.
this is the first fieldsportsbritain video i watched and i am now enrolled in a gamekeeping collage in scotland and am working on an estate in perthshire when i originally wanted to be a gunsmith
Here in Arizona, we have leash laws throughout the state (except designated dog parks and Indian Reservations) and dogs =must= be leased (Or are supposed to be. The dog owner assumes ALL liability if they allow a dog to run free.) When we were still farming here, we rented out alfalfa fields to a sheeper friend for winter pasture, and did so for over 40 years. As we became more urbanized, he was diligent about posting our ranches with signs to warn dog owners that they'd be in the area for the next few weeks. He'd also go door-to-door posting flyers. Our game laws allow the shooting of dogs harassing/killing stock of any sort and the dog owners are liable for all losses, including, any losses that took place before any particular dog was caught or killed in the fields. I know that, on a couple occasions, the sheeper collected triple damages on some of the lambs and ewes he lost. Yes, it's hard on dog owners and, yes, sometimes they do accidentally get out, but part of the responsibility of owning dogs is being aware of where you live and what's going on around you. He hated having to shoot peoples dogs, but they were damaging his livelihood =and= laws were being broken at the same time.
That poor buck with the broken leg. Glad you guys could find it again.
Good video, great to see conservation hunting in practice. This needs to be promoted in the media. If deer were green and slimy instead of cute and furry there would be far less opposition to harvesting them methinks. I now live in Australia where firearm ownership and hunting is far more accepted than in the UK. I regularly feed my family and friends with harvested organic wild meat.
TheCraftyBushman Hunting unnecessarily is WRONG. Hunting out of necessity to feed yourselves and your family is different, but all unnecessary violence is WRONG.
@O R They hunt deer because they like going outside and shooting things. One of those things is deer. So he is right, anyone who goes out and hunts for fun is a piece of shit. Let's go out today and kill a helpless deer and pretend were doing it to conserve the land.
@O R I eat meat so no idea what you are on about.
@O R No I'm just speaking the truth. Hiding behind pretend conservation instead of just accepting you hunt because it's fun.
Those were great shots - it's good to see herds being managed so professionally. It can be hard for us townies to understand land management, but video postings like this are extremely interesting and informative.
most people don't realize is that it is the hunters who promote and pay for wild refuge areas for the animals. Duck hunters, deer etc all pay for the wetlands and reserves. The tax payers, pay very little comparatively.
"Great shots" i mean they got the job done lol 1st was a shitty angle the 2nd was straight up a spine shot in the neck. I enjoy archery more because a rifle makes it to easy, it gives the animals a fighting chance.
@@TJpash - Perhaps, but not everyone that hunts with a bow (illegal in the UK) is competent or careful enough to make the right shot under the right circumstances. The rifle isn't being used for "sport" - it's a tool of herd control.
Here in Australia, we have wild and domestic dogs attacking live. Stock. Both are shot. Too many irresponsible dog/cat owners
Scott Mac In some ways, one of the worst things humans ever did was invent the gun. Killing animals unnecessarily is WRONG.
Scott Mac Awwww the cats are lovely purrr purrr
@@forqueenandcountry3087 In Australia cats are a true pest and destroy the wildlife along with rabbits.
Dude I worked In a road house in australia and the manager there had to drown the stray cats in a bin cos to call the pest control to the middle of nowhere would of cost too much. Sad but has to be controlled
Sam Grady so sad, but if your over run with cats then I suppose you have to do what you do, here in the UK 🇬🇧 WE don’t have that problem or at least I don’t think we do. I think sometimes we turn a blind eye to some problems just because we can. Stay safe 👍👍👍
Free roaming dogs anger me so much!! Their "owners" are.... No words...
I watched this and thought.. Stop apologising. Even with the best intent, you may never explain to their satisfaction. It was courteous to try.
ok anti hunters /anti gunners ,a few questions
1 do you eat meat? if so something had to die for you to eat . just because you don't see doesn't mean it didn't happen.
2 do you own anything made of leather ? your car seats , belt, shoes, baseball, football watchband leather comes from animals .
3 any idea how animals treat their own kind when it comes to survival. for the most part they run off the weaker ones who generally slowly starve to death .
4 when is the forest floor the most abundant with browse for wildlife ? the spring after a forest fire . as a forest ages and trees grow they choke out the understory and reduce the amount of food available to wildlife.
5 how many dear do you think a given acreage can feed , do you think its unlimited ? would you rather see a majority of dear healthy by hunting to control numbers or would you see all of them possibly not make it through the winter with no meat on their bones from lack of food?
if you think that dear should have been taken to the vet are you willing to chase it down, catch it and pay the vet out of your pocket? or would you rather pay 30,000 to 50,000 a year to have game officers go try to track it down ? you ready to pay more taxes to pay for that ? what about the ones hit by cars ,you ready to raise your taxes to pay to have them brought back to health .
the majority of hunters take game for meat, not for an adrenalin rush. if you think meat prices are high now, think about what they would be if all hunting stopped . hunters put about a hundred pounds each into their freezers each year for each dear they take . multiply that by the number of hunters and that's a lot of meat.
think about the rise in your car insurance payments from hitting animals wandering across the road looking for food do to uncontrolled numbers.
think about the damage to your home by animals looking for food digging into your walls.
when its all said and done hunting is still allowed because it is still the most efficient way and the least costly way to control wildlife numbers. here in the us there is more wild game as of now than there has been in the last hundred years .
around 1935[ don't know the exact] year ,American hunters set up with the government to impose game limits and seasons because the HUNTERS saw the way corporate hunters were decimating the numbers . nearly all wildlife restoration programs here in the us are funded by hunting license fees and taxes on guns and ammunition ,about 80%. the other 20% is made up by all other agencies combined including peta , aspca and others who would have hunting stopped . shall we pull our 80% of that?
so the next time you want to cuss a hunter for taking the life of an animal, have a clue to what your talking about
TheOldGunsmith58
1) No.
2) I try my best but it's unfair to call someone a hypocrite for attempting to make ethical choices in the face of complexity.
3) Your absolutely right, nature is amoral, animals are not capable of ethical reasoning and in the wild they are caught up in a struggle for survival - I am not, neither are you.
4) What's your point?
5) Don't bullshit people as if hunting is merely an exercise in population control. This is a hunting estate, they feed deer at certain times of the year! Also deer populations in the UK are crazy high partly because we hunted wolves to extinction here, so if your concerned about deer populations and keeping a healthy population, lets reintroduce wolves! Who's with me?! Game managers?...no?...
I work in UK conservation and I can confirm that most conservation HERE is not funded by hunters, though some conservationist do cull deer. Hunters are a mixed bag when it comes to conservation and there are many who both respect the animals they are killing and understand wildlife conservation well. But don't assume people who empathise with the animals, and feel it is a crime to shoot a beautiful intelligent creature in its prime (or otherwise), are ignorant, if that's what you think then you are ignorant.
TheOldGunsmith58 They`re called DEER, not dear.
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Wolves are not a serious threat to human life in the vast vast majority of cases. Plus if you were going to introduce wolves you would do it with a process of zonation. you have three or four zones in which different rules apply - core zones which are effectively nature reserves in restricted areas of the scottish highland (possibly wales) where the wolves are introduced and which contain very limited human presence. Secondary zones where wolves are protected but certain appropriate economic activities are allowed, such as forestry. These ares combined would be very large tracts of less pupulated land. Then a buffer zone in which wolves must be closely monitered and can be trapped and returned if there is concerns. Finally the remaining area consitituting the majority of the country would be zone four in which wolves should not be and can be shot legally by licensed hunters or by a government body. This is how reintroductions of large predators generally work.
+TheOldGunsmith58 You're wasting your breath on the Social Justice Warriors - logic, common sense and self-examination (i.e. honesty) are not in their playbook.
+lonefoxilluminus Hopefully reintroduction of the Eurasian Lynx will help with controlling deer populations.
It was much rarer to see it on camera back in 2009...but as you can all see, wild Karen's were causing a ruckus back then also.
Great job guys. I really enjoyed how after being antagonized by the dog-walker, you simply set her straight with class, and didn't resort to petty name-calling, like she did to begin with - "Cruel Bastard".
Obviously she dosen't know how truely cruel nature can be.
Woods keeper/Gamekeeper (I don't know): We don't want people seeing the injured animal.
Angry dog-walking woman: wHy ArE yOu KiLlInG tHe AnImAlS, tHiS iS iLlEgAl!
The term is Gamekeeper
Great video and it’s good to see the herds being managed on a professional way. Happy the way you dealt with the lady they don’t understand that’s the problem, 👍👋🇬🇧
good video. thankfully I have not personally had to deal with any of this stupidity.
curious what caliber of rifle you are using? type of deer?
Wow, its interesting to see how much different your Deer are compared the Deer here in America. Our deer are alot darker in color and the antlers and extremely different.
Brazen Bull There is 6 deer in the UK. We even have red deer which is a reddish brown colour.
wildlife is pretty, hunters agree, when it isn't eating your crops and livelihood.
In hunters safety you are taught to respect what you hunt
Question for Roy....what knife did you use in this video?? Orange handle. Thanks
Mark Slinger mora companion
As a Dog - large - it’s appreciated that Roy takes the time to explain ...even to ignorant people.
I don’t know why he even Engaged with her just Ignore her and keep going if she has a problem with it and it’s clear that she does then she’ll get over it
When you start to argue and found out quickly your speaking to a professional
“General public don’t understand we have to shoot injured animals”, what was wrong with the second buck then, apart from the hole blown through its side
Signs warning dog walkers, "If your dog is in the confines of the park, running free, IT WILL BE SHOT DEAD".
I wouldn't even try to argue, people like that will never get it. Whether the buck was injured, has a nice rack or not. We hunt because we enjoy it. You get fresh meat, sometimes some nice antlers to go along with it. You get to be outside and do something we have done for thousands of years. We have people that study the animals to make sure we don't take too many. In areas like that void of natural predators it's important to hunt in order to keep the herd healthy. Just because you don't hunt doesn't mean I can't. A lion or a wolf can kill but why can't I. We are all predators, born predators whether you want to believe it or not.
Erin Hutchings Killing animals unnecessarily is WRONG. Lions 🦁 and wolves 🐺 in the wild have to hunt in order to survive. We don’t. What kind of sick person gets pleasure out of killing? Seek therapy and psychiatric help.
@@victoriasalter1701 Someone kills the beef you have for dinner, hunting is an ethical act. And id much rather be a wild deer that gets shot than a battery farmed pig
@@roccobenedettomozo4930 amen
Victoria Salter let me guess, you are a vegan feminist, and everything is the white mans fault
All the natural predetors were hunted years ago
As an Australian l would have NOT been so polite to her and her dogs.
As a brit I can believe that Australians are not known for politeness
Great show! Thank-you! Keep it up!
It's an educational issue. Most people, when something is explained to them in a clear and concise manner, as was here, do accept it's part of a larger plan. Modern life means most of us are not aware of what goes on 10 miles down the road, to maintain the countryside, or what lives in it. Thank you for taking time to educate this woman. May be some people watching this will be similarly taught. Thank you.
There’s a purpose to their process, but I can’t lie it was ironically funny when his argument was the deer had a limp as he himself hobbled over to Karen. 😂 was waiting for one of his mates to drop him for being a wounded hunter 🤣
😂😂😂
I had a similar experience controlling rabbits at a riding school. I was called all the names under the sun by some Karen even after I explained that several horses had been put down after breaking legs in rabbit holes.
I like how quick the lady was to say that it wasn’t her dog, even though there was no blame directed. I really don’t understand how people can so easily judge others without the proper information and deem it “cruel and vindictive.” I bet you that she enjoys a good venison dinner. What I don’t understand is why there’s two different names for the same creature in the UK(ie boar on the hoof- pork in the store). I know for a fact that there’s disconnect for some people but what about in the UK?
Hunting just isn't popular because it's very expensive and the ordinary person cant do it. You need to be upper class aka someone with family that owns an estate/castle.
In the US it's illegal to interfere with someone who is hunting/fishing/trapping. The first offence can cost them up to 1,000 USD.
Amazing how Roy continually to answer the women's question about murdering the stag, a perfectly healthy animal that he 'enticed' into his death trap.
LOTS of respect to you guys for doing that I hate people who are against hunting or anything related to it.Like if you agree
The way he’s walking over that field to confront that dog walker you’d think he’d lost a fucking foot. Good job he’s not a deer he’d be in the sights!!!! Lol 😆
great video ! really informative !
I used to have a problem with dogs chasing cattle. Used to...
Well done Roy! Well done indeed. What an excellent ambassador for our sport! I have always admired your calm professionalism, skills and hunting ethics! A very focused and polite response under difficult circumstances! That’s exactly the way to educate an ignorant member of the public. 👍👍👍👍
Good video you did a great job
I am a dog lover but I do hunting, however the attitude of some dog owners are that all parks and recreational land are for exclusive use of dogs. My local council had to at one point enforce dog laws as it was getting out of hand.
Gee, here dogs caught chasing deer are just shot on the spot. Problem solved.
+lokisgodhi thats right they are , nothing better than seeing the look on the owners face when you put a 3006 through the dogs head, then when they call the police they get taken away to face a few charges sheep working , dog not being under control, dog craping on the land etc , its the only way to teach these people with killer dogs
Damn, do u even have a heart😲
@@topsecret368 they are killer because they are abused and taught to be that wsy
Dogs off lead in a reserve should be free game to shoot, and any injuries to the owner from a stray shot should not be illegal either.
@@addybarrett4468 I have a heart, it's physical, beats in my chest, I also own a dog which has been attached and mauled by off lead dogs that has affected its life in a serious way. I have no sympathy for people who let their dogs run loose.
Are you two OK? Would you like a cup of tea or anything?
Love how the bloke just walked upto the the woman with a deer leg and was pointing at her with !
Could the lame buck have lost its foot to a fenn, gin, or snare trap? As for its ear - torn off by dog/fox whilst trapped?
Shoots the dog...."yeah just thought we would save the deer"
8:07 injured and uninjured deer both dog food, Should just give them to Scott Rea so he can cook them up.
Bucks in the rut often don't have great meat. It's full of adrenaline and hormones that mess with the taste. That's why I prefer taking does. I didn't even take a buck last season cause I just wanted to fill the freezer.
I know that voice anywhere. She sounded exactly like Janet Street porter off the TV 😂
What caliber did Roy use in this video ?
I gotta say... nice can on that rifle! You Britts are ok!
Why is it so hard for americans to get cans on their rifles? Here in south africa you can just buy the the day you get your gun, we see it as an accessory just like bipods and such
Roy needs to careful he seems to have a limp 🤠🤠🤠
Those are great clean shots great job
IT is called field management , but some think the countryside is some idyllic postcard ...them start moaning when the foxes start raiding their bins or the deer is upsetting their school run..
@Holly Robinson
"I hate humanity."
Well, then it is time for a psychiatrist.
Humans are not pure herbivores. Meat is a normal part of our nutrition and as long as you plan to eat the animal, you have the same right to hunt as any living thing has, which feeds on meat.
so you hate yourself
Andreas Stor Don’t be rude. It’s great to recommend psychiatric help to people that actually need help, but she was probably just expressing her views. All forms of unnecessary violence is WRONG.
I think humans are omnivores, but we don’t need meat in order to survive anymore. We can do quite well without it, so why eat it when it comes from a sentient animal that has had to die?
If you see a dead animal on the side of a road, their guts out and blood, do you think “yum” and want to eat them? A carnivore like a mountain lion or coyote would. If you see a picture of someone slitting the throat of a cow 🐮 that’s hung upside down in a slaughterhouse, blood out, do you feel hungry or do you think it’s a gruesome scene?
Thank you 😊 to the moon 🌒 (a special, good moon) and back.
May you and all sentient beings be perfectly well, healthy, happy and safe forever.
Best Wishes,
Rory.
Have the best day and night ever!
Literal bug people, their thoughts dont go any deeper than “killing bad 😡” honestly some of them are incapable of any complex thought or logic
Because she thinks all her meat comes naturally wrapped in plastic on an asda shelf
The buck vs. stag discussion tells you all you need to know. Most don't know what they're talking about.
Well done for keeping calm and not going nutty at her
If animals such as deer and horses break a leg sadly it cannot be treated or healed. They have to be humanely put down otherwise they will die a slow miserable death. The bucks would have died instantly this way, with no suffering.
This is possibly the most english thing. "after you", "no i wont have it, after YOU sir", "are you entirely satisfied that the kill was necessary", "Im so sorry madam" "you canine was galavanting after the foul maam", "Your limp maketh you sir". "Damn it Jeeves, a buck IS a stag"...
at the end of the video it says that the two dear have a strong sent so they will go to the dogs ,,,, dose anyone know what this means...
Does it appear that Roy too has a limp 😉🤦♂️?
Growing up in the country as a youngster, I remember a year that the game wardens had to have a ‘hunt’. Being only 1/2 hr from the city, so a catchall for dumped strays, we had developed a problem of a ‘pack’ of domestic/discarded dogs, the pack had everything from small terriers right up to German Shepard size dogs. They would pursue the deer bringing down 4-5 at a time, with only minor consuming of the meat.
The pack had reached over 30 dogs. The pack had also scared children out playing (no injuries but lots of growling and other aggressive behaviour), also responsible for 2 separate family pets (dogs) being killed. 1 they killed outright, the second after being viewed by the vet, it was decided for humane reasons to put the dog down.
‘Pets’ don’t hunt for food, rather they get in a chase frenzy and kill indiscriminately. Leaving much of the game with a range of injuries, if not killed outright.
And I supposed that idiot dog owner was a vegetarian?
Those wild Karen's are a dangerous animal.
That poor creature limping like that
It must have been in pain..
Thank God for a kind hunter to take care of him...
3:46 that buck was very into the mating season... Really happy to see you...
It really doesn't get more ethical than the way he's doing it
I'm not against hunting at all and all that stuff and these guys are doing a good job.
But!
I thought it very funny he's limping himself while shooting limping deer.
I'm curious but they never said why they shot the second Buck. I was just wondering.
Because deer management isn't the only reason for hunting deers. The reason why they prioritised the killing of the injured buck was to put him out of his misery, but they never said they were there only for that.
I need one of those green Fedora hats. It's like a British cowboy hat... Lol...
good for you sir good job .
It's injuries look very likely to have been caused by a dog. But he DID shoot another (healthy) stag, as the dogwalker was asking, and he denied it.
+Jan Kelly thats what i was confused about? he killed the injured one and a perfectly healthy large one? which the woman was talking about and he denied
+Jan Kelyes he is "promoting" the better bucks that was the reason they where there in the first place they kill the bucks that are not making the grade and also he killed the injured 1
+tigger1995Magi that buck was not large
wulf arrow lol who gives a shit he killed a perfectly healthy buck for no reason that could have sired a heap of calfs...
tigger1995Magi yes and they would have most likely been weak
Not only that, but spooked deer cause car accidents , injuries and even fatalities to drivers and passengers.
I live in New Zealand and have driven a lot in the UK between 200 and 2015 during annual visits.
After several close calls I learned quickly to be super alert driving through the countryside.
when i was 7, i saw a farmer shooting an Alsatian for chasing his sheep . if he had watched for a minute he would have saw it was trying to round them back up into the field they got out from ,when a rambler never secured the gate properly .police said he was within his rights . just thought this was 62yr. ago and German Shepherds were never thought of as sheep dogs , more guard or police dogs. it was using it's natural instinct.
I know her. Her dogs are always chasing Deer never keeps them on a lead
that shot at 4:17 wasn't a good one to take. He's lucky it brought him down. Deer was almost facing straight away. could have injured him only and made him suffer. Nonetheless, it worked out for him, which is good. It just wasn't a very good shot to take as a general rule.
+jkcrusher18 You are assuming the shot was taken from the same place as the camera? Why?
David Carr
Because at 4:09 you can see the hunters at the bottom of the screen, right in front of the camera crew.
+David Carr And if you pause it at 4:08, you can see the barrel of the gun and the scope in the bottom right, right in front of the camera crew. As hunters, we shouldn't take shots at deer either straight on or straight away due to the deer's anatomy. It may only injure the deer.
jkcrusher18 rubbish any hi-power can shoot completely through a deer from any angle. Shooting one through the length front or back is great for hitting a lot of vitals.
Buttsore In84, If you plan on eating the deer, then it is a bad shot. You'll end up contaminating a lot of the meat. jkcrusher18 is right, take the shot from broadside whenever possible, hit the lungs or heart.
To be honest she was asking about the other buck that was healthy and did he shoot that one, he swerved around answering her question properly. And she did say that she understands why they manage deer. But was against shooting for fun. A pity that the meat could only be fed to the dogs. Still it saves Roy a lot of money on dog food.
I hunt at Winamac Fish And Wildlife area.It covers 4800 acres.That's in Indiana,in 35 years I only found only one unclaimed deer.We go to great lengths to claim the deer We shoot.The deer I found may of been hit by a car it was only 200 yards from highway.I enjoy every thing about the hunt as will as the meals the Vinson provides.
ronald ayres Hunting unnecessarily is WRONG. Seek therapy and seek psychiatric.
In America there are millions of deer.If not hunted how long do you think it would be before they outstripped their food source.