What a diabolical cowardly act! I am also sure the mother was behind it all...I hope she eventually got her comeuppance!Can't tell you enough just how very much a fan I am of your channel! No "sugarcoating " or frillyness..just the basic and brutal facts ! And the additional inclusions of the historic places is wonderful...most of us would never get the chance to know these parts of history and see the sites so..a big THANK YOU for taking the time to show us!
I agree, definitely a cowardly act! You have to remember with this story that Edward himself is still a child when he's murdered. Thank you so much for your kind words, it means a lot.
@@TheUntoldPast wait so a couple of things how do we know he was stabbed how do we know the murder took place at this castle and how do we know he was going there to meet his brother like that’s pretty specific what proof do we have of those things
@@parrottroosterjuniourWe know he was murdered from entries on various versions of the Anglo Saxon Chronicle, although it’s not explicitly said by which method he was murdered. The Peterborough Manuscript of the ASCstates it was at Corfe Passage, which is known to have been on an estate owned by his step-mother Aelfthryth. Some 30 years after the event, Byrhthfertg writes in his Vita Oswaldis that he was there visiting his brother, who was living with the dowager queen - which ties in with the location given in the Peterborough manuscript. Byrhthferth also indicates a contingent of noblemen went to greet him and that they were involved in a conspiracy. Whether his stepmother had anything to do with his death has never been proven, but it’s certainly feasible to at least suppose because she, and her son Aethelred, stood to gain enormously by his death. But we can’t be sure exactly who he was killed by. It all depends on how much credibility we’re prepared to believe either the ASC or Vita Oswaldis has. Given that both sources are as close to contemporary as we could hope to get, and that there’s no obvious reason why they’d need to lie about this, it’s reasonable to suppose that the basics of the story are true. With regards to the location, I’ve seen a number of depictions of his death showing him at the gates of a great stone castle. These depictions largely tend to be over-romanticised Victorian nonsense because, of course, there’s no evidence of a stone castle being there. Corfe Castle was built by William I. However, records suggest a hunting hall was on the site either near or on the site of the subsequent castle, supported by archaeological remains of post-holes consistent with Saxon-style wooden buildings of some size and status. So whilst the sources tell us he died at Corfe Gap, he didn’t die in or at Corfe Castle, even though it was more-or-less on the same site.
I had known very little about Edward's assassination. Aethylred tends to overshadow him because of his long but disastrous reign. Thanks for such a detailed account. 👍👍
We had family holidays is Swanage every year as a child, the Jurassic coast is such a beautiful part of England. Maybe try the steam train from Swanage if you get chance, I really enjoyed it and had chance to have a few pints. Happy memories pre lockdown
I love this channel..I always learn something new..This is almost as bad as the two boy kings killed in the tower, possibly murders ordered by their own uncle.So sad for POWER.
Because he is an Orthodox saint from the era of orthodox Christianity in Britain . Few generations after his death barbaric Normans and Franks brought Roman catholicism from the continent with sward
In 'The Marches of Wessex' by F.J. Harvey Darton ( who quotes from an account from St John's College, Oxford a M.S. in Latin), it states that Edward loved his young step-brother, Ethelred, and had ridden to see him after hunting in the (then) forest around Wareham. Following the murder, Edward's body was hurriedly thrown into a cottage spring. The old blind woman of the cottage, watching by the body, had a vision: her hovel was "filled with the glory of the Lord and she recovered her sight and saw what she was watching over". Queen Elfrida, "Full of wicked plans and guile", who was instigator of the murder, was struck with terror. She had the body cast into the marshes near Wareham then took the young Ethelred and hastened to her house in Bere Regis. Ethelred, "Did not cease to weep and lament" so a furious Elfrida , having committed regicide for him, grabbed some candles (all that was at hand) and beat the poor boy savagely so that, thereafter, King Ethelred could not bear candlelight. A column of fire stood over the spot where Edward had been thrown down. Certain devout men found the body and bore it to the church of Lady St. Mary, Wareham. Edward's shrine still stands in the south-east of the church as does his stone coffin. Thus, Elfida is possibly the original 'wicked step-mother' and she was, reportedly, beautiful too!
Saint Edward was a great defender of the church and monasticism. As a devout Christian prior to the schism of the church between east and west (1054) he is regarded by the Holy Orthodox church as a martyr for the Orthodox faith. As stated, his Holy relics are enshrined in the church of Saint Edward the Martyr Orthodox Church and monastic brotherhood at Brookwood, Surrey (where, by Gods grace, I am a parishioner). His relics can be viewed and venerated on his feast day.
That's really interesting, thankyou! I was massively confused by St. Edward being buried in an *Orthodox* church, but I thought the schism happened much earlier, & I didn't know that people who were martyred before that were considered martyrs for the Orthodox faith, but it seems to makes sense: he wasn't a "Western" (?) Christian because that didn't exist; he was a Christian of the still-united Church- is that the reasoning?? (I don't know the specific terms, & I don't know much about the Orthodox Church except it's quite different to "Western" Christianity: my Dad's cousin married a Greek guy & lives in Greece, & she says Easter's a much bigger deal than Christmas.)
You are unfortunately in an Old Calendaristic schismatic parish. Come back to the canonical Orthodox Church and convince other parishioners to do the same.
@@beth7935 well sir that "still-unified Church" still exist today and that is One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church (known to people in the west as Orthodox Church) Orthodox church was always "unified" 'cause she is Christ's mystical body and as such she is indivisible ....Rome was orthodox back then but later Rome fall in to a heresy (thanks to the barbaric Franks and other German tribes) Anglo - Saxon people and their kings were orthodox Christians ...back in those days there was no roman catholicism - there was only authentic orthodox catholicism
@@aleksandarstavric2226 That's so interesting, thanks! In the West "Catholic" means "Roman Catholic", of course, so if I heard "One Holy Catholic & Apostolic Church", that's what I'd think of, but thanks for educating me! I like to know what people officially call their own religion (& country, etc), as opposed to what outsiders call it. How would you say the Celtic Church fitted into it? I know they followed different traditions to Rome, like calculating the date of Easter differently, & that the latter lead to the Anglo-Saxon king Oswy of Northumbria calling the Synod of Whitby in 663, where they decided to follow the Roman tradition- but since this was pre-1054, is it inaccurate to say they became part of the "Roman Catholic Church"? That's how it's been described in everything I've read, but you called it "authentic Orthodox Catholicism". I guess it depends who's talking about it- the books are English & thus use Western terminology, & if I was Roman Catholic, I'd say _that_ was "authentic Catholicism". I'm still trying to reframe things cos I thought the East-West schism happened much earlier, but it was only just before the Battle of Hastings, so I have to think of the Anglo-Saxon kings as part of the unified church, not as Roman Catholics.
Great video, do you know any info on how they trained to fight? Sword fighting, or any kind of training or did they just run at each other and start hacking away?
Take for a role model? All he did was get murdered by being stabbed in the back. He had a council that ruled for him. Oh I see what you mean. A role model for millennials who just sit around and expect everything handed to them. Yeah that does fit. Nicely done.
@@robertschumann7737 He died young and became saint. Not many kings can say that. God knew what is in his heart and rewarded him. If you can find someones body preserved and in one piece after death then he is not like other people. He was a victim of others. After his death terrible thing happened to England. He could not do anything about it. He is greater than the kings who lived in sin and did terrible things to other nations and to their people( may God have mercy on their souls). England used to have such a great kings that are now forgotten.
0:22 seems in England they keep most of the 1,500 castle sites and monasteries deliberately in a destroyed condition. Kind of a warning that monarchy and monasticism was the biggest humbug of such kind that there should not even be a museum where people can go there and learn about history.
I think it was simply down to economics. If the building served a use, it was reconfigured, rebuilt or patched up. Many town and city monasteries became parish churches and then in time cathedrals for the reformed Church in England, Wales, Scotland and even Ireland. If it did not serve a use, it was allowed to become a ruin, and its stone generally used for neighbouring constructions.Some of the greatest ruins are the most isolated, where local scavengers were few and far between and couldn't cart too much stone away: Tintern and Fountains Abbey spring to mind. If a great lord or C16th newly prosperous man had his eyes on the stone for a rebuilding project, there might not even be very much ruin left, as at Glastonbury, Hailes or Walsingham, to name but three of the greatest pre-Reformation shrines in Engand. I think the same is true for many of the castles that were "slighted" during the English Civil War. It no longer made economic sense to make them habitable after Parliamentary destruction, and that was even if you were able to buy back the land if it had been confiscated, or sold to pay fines for supporting the late king. I think you will find that most local museums near such sites have collections that include quite a lot of material concerning nearby ruins, that may not be on display because of lack of space, but may get brought out for special exhibitions. Nothing to do with your concept of what constitute "humbug".
They’re not kept in a ‘deliverately destroyed’ condition as any kind of warning. Some castles were damaged after battle. A good example is Corfe, as shown in this video, which was blown up with explosives after a battle in the civil war, so that it could never again be used as a stronghold against parliament, and a lot of remaining stone was robbed out over time for other buildings. Some castles just became uneconomical to maintain and were abandoned to fall into ruin from the later Middle Ages onwards such as Clun) with the good-quality facing stones being removed ad-hoc for other building projects and some castles are still intact and, in some cases, lived in (eg Arundel and Windsor). In fact, Clun was left to rot when it’s owners moved to the more favourable Arundel. The last castle built in Britain was Castle Drogo and was as late as the early 20th Century. For whatever reason, the ruined castles we have today were mostly in ruins before modern times and are beyond full restoration. And it’s considered a rather crass and truth-less means of conservation to virtually rebuild a historical monument, thus concealing most of its original historic materials and features. Not to mention extremely costly. Monasteries are often in ruins for similar reasons, plus a lot of monasteries were left to crumble following the dissolution in the 16th century.
Very good presentation. I can't understand the " martyr"- thing?? He was murderd while visiting his brother and was betreeded.Ok. But this makes him a martyr? I missed something???
Same, in my country georgia there were many kings and queens who died in horrible tortures for country or for religion, for example ketevan martyr. and this dude was just stabbed.
I'm not sure that primogeniture was established as the natural indicator for succession to the throne for the West Saxon Royal House. Candidates certainly needed to be a member of the royal family, but selection depended on election, hence the emphasis in the coronation rites for the acclaimation by those present at the coronation, both of which had followed acclaimation by the Witanegemot, the Great Council of the West Saxon Kings. The acclaimation is now AFTER anointing with oil. In the earlier rites it always PRECEDED the anointing with oil, and was therefore a prerequisite rather than an afterthought. I've always understood that this selection from the royal family continued with the Norman and Angevin kings, and inheritance depended on a combination of the late king's will, and the strongest or most appropriately placed son or other male relative, and ALSO acclaimation by the notable magnates of the time. I was taught that Primogeniture arose from the historical accident of the eldest son inheriting the throne between the kings John, Henry III, Edward I, Edward II (eldest son of the late eldest son) and Edward III. After that succession claimants frequently jumped through causistic hoops to establish their primogenitural claims, even when they obtained the throne through conquest, or Act of Parliament (acclaimation by another name perhaps).
I thought the same thing. In that political climate, he would surely have had security and been prepared for this very event. These people weren't naive.
I think that he should let his younger half brother to take the throne, and claim himself as regent to his younger half brother. That means his regentcy would claim him as the ruling monarch of the kingdom. Even though this had reminded me of a book that is named the "red queen".
So, if this is Edward the Martyr, (King of England), who was king around, about 962-978, why was Edward Longshanks called Edward the first, (of England), in 1272-1307?
The short answer is that regal numbers was a tradition that the Normans brought with them to England and they did not bother to base the counting on pre-Norman kings. Edward longshanks should be edward iv
May I ask - anyone ? - what date was the schism between east and west. Prior to that, ( I’m assuming in Edward the Martyr’s time) , that everyone was just ‘ Christian’. Thank you for your videos. I’m really enjoying them 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
Rival princes were often the result of royal polygamy, resulting in a blurred line of succession. In early Thailand, for instance, the older royal half-brothers would gather followers to overpower and even kill their potential rivals to the throne in Ayutthaya.
It annoys me that pre 1066 kings get over shadowed by the Norman conquest. When in actuality English kings ceased in 1066 as every king after that was in fact French descendants! The treacherous conditions of monarchy give any post 1066 kings a run for their money and the Queens were even more ruthless talk about behind every great man is a scheming woman lol
@@caryboy2006 part Scandinavian, part Breton, maybe a bit of English and Irish. Normandy was created by Rollo, but this was going on at the same time as the Vikings were being defeated in England and Ireland, a now homeless Viking population that have kids and wives in tow are going to go to the nearest new viking settlement rather than the much longer journey to Scandinavia. The Normans were a mix of all the people the Vikings mixed with.
Normans took over (stoled ) English identity but they didn't have nothing in common with Anglo -Saxon people of Britain ...they've brought roman catholicism with sward and fire and that was the end of Orthodox Christianity in Britain ....they didn't even give a shit to learn English language- this is how much they hated english people. Edward the Longshanks was the first Plantagenet (norman) king who knew English. The first one after two centuries of Norman conquest. Even on his birth , nobility, was shocked when he was baptized under such "uncommon" and "barbaric and Celtic" name unfamiliar to Normans - such as Edward !
So tired of that word 'martyr' from my childhood studies, they should have explained what a subjective, and narrow minded notion they were filling kids heads with.
The short answer is that regal numbers was a tradition that the Normans brought with them to England and they did not bother to base the counting on pre-Norman kings. Edward longshanks should be edward iv
Edwards reign was 975-979. Interestingly his father, Edmund the magnificent, reigned 939-946 almost exactly 1000 years before WWII. He also died in a stabbing incident, when a brawl broke out in his great Hall.
While the Church of England had no saint making process like the Roman church or the Greek Orthadox, it generally venerates those traditionally observed as saints throughout Christendom, or least those determined to be saints before the English Reformation. When the Prayer Book was reinstituted with the Restoration of the Monarchy in 1660 after the years of the Commonwealth, there was a service included for "Charles, King and Martyr" on January 30th, an observance that used to be listed in the Anglican Lectionary, which lists who is to be remembered and commemorated in prayers for the year. Perhaps King Charles I was the nearest to be considered a wholly Anglican "saint".
I'm wondering lately when and why they stopped assassinating and executing their rivals and instead went to the Law and more civilized ways of dealing with issues.
Maybe one of your greatest tricks. Distributing tons of your islands history around the world, pretending this would be the history of europe. great marketing gig. what do you think, whos civilization got yours? Ok Brexit tells enough about your flamboyand self-perception. in the series about heinrich viii, the ruler of the world karl v appears twice as a clumsy statist :-) Nothing about your most dangerous competitors, the Dutch. you attacked the exhausted dutch seafarers in the English Channel, so you got the first spices and their navigation maps.but everything was always glorious from your point of view. it seems like every damn english king is more interesting than all of europes personalities.and literature was founded by shakespeare not in italy. but there is also a continental shy away from staging. we are so happy to have monarchies and (their) wars behind us, that's why we prefer to do comedies and documentations about nature. for you as a winning nation, of course, I understand your never-ending navel examination. But ok, Pink floyd makes up for a lot. Apart from 3rd Reich interruption, the currently "most livable city vienna" has been ruled by social democrats for 100 years (< in your notebook Mr. Farage) and they are extremely interested in great films and series about emperors and kings :-) the queen knew exactly why she never visited vienna, although she had no concerns about proper accommodation. she knew that the most liveable city in the world (once again under your upperclass nose) is SOCIALIST since 1918. We self call them social democrats but in comparison to your social democrats, they are social social democrats wearing red underpants. Feared abroad because of the high taxes. Every junkie gets his place and immediately. for every difficult child, there is a therapy horse. 1.9 Mio Inhabitants. In 2018, 34 rapes were reported. you can go to the opera and stroll through the side streets wearing your jewelry. because we have cut the insatiable aristocracy aliens, notorious not permitting social peace. notorious spreading unrest into peoples souls by showing their overbearing alien richdom. Unlike in Germany, it is even forbidden to use an aristocratic name. you will laugh at me but that is also my vision for you. you will forego the oh so great tourist revenue and saw off the aristocrats. this heartless people haunting foxes with armies of dogs. can you imagine the fear of the cubs in the fox's burrow. perverse cruelty to humans and animals, that is to be expected from aristocrats. The queen is to blame for brexit. the gap opened at the moment when she publicly rejected the euro as an entry into buckingham. all other nickels welcome, except my continental money. somehow a laughter but that was the toxic moment. It was right after the introduction of the euro and I still remember that, despite my optimism, I was very disappointed of this hostile gesture, 18 years ago. I am sure you will get rid of your nostalgia, that you can't really live in and become a republic. Just like us, the imposing mansions will serve your youth events and vernissages. Not every 15.2. and 23.7. as the aristos will grant their halls for you. but constantly because it will be yours. your congress centers without influenting hosts. Viennese hofburg, palace schoenbrunn, belvedere, the chateau park Laxenburg...it all belongs to the people. Habsburgs complain that we are ruining and devalue everything. it would be much better preserved in their hands :-) it's a lie, our republican institutions for preservation are doing an exemplary job of it. Can you lay down on the lawn for the Queens Corgies and read a book? I can do this easily under the emperors personal pissing-hedge. his ghost must wait behind me as courtesy demands :-) It was all a Joke. I know you love it to welcome cruel but rich oriental weirdoes, wearing funny blankets and therefore you need the monarchy. because this murderous humpty dumptys only respect such clownery. why not you have won the war (and i am seriously grateful for that) - but since 1945 it seems you live on LSD with no need to look into your mirror. Gert Froebe is dead, so there is no evil anymore.
Do something about your diction, which in this video is annoyingly monotonous. And do something about your presentation. You're droning a story along which in it self is sometimes a bit vague. For instance the rules of succession. There is quite more informstion that could shed light upon such difficult successions to the throne, but all you say is that the law was not clear on that point, which in itself is just not true. I have seen better presentations.
The history is so grim, yet we tend to repeat it. Such a detailed video, great work as usual.
A very interesting but forgotten event this, the murder of a King!
Those who don't remember their history, are doomed to repeat it
@@deadaces7949 extremely true, and we do see it on 21st century
Plantagenet reign
Actually no king like guy has ever been stabbed in the back while sitting on a horses back since. I doubt in this case history will repeat itself.
What a diabolical cowardly act! I am also sure the mother was behind it all...I hope she eventually got her comeuppance!Can't tell you enough just how very much a fan I am of your channel! No "sugarcoating " or frillyness..just the basic and brutal facts ! And the additional inclusions of the historic places is wonderful...most of us would never get the chance to know these parts of history and see the sites so..a big THANK YOU for taking the time to show us!
I agree, definitely a cowardly act! You have to remember with this story that Edward himself is still a child when he's murdered. Thank you so much for your kind words, it means a lot.
@@TheUntoldPast poor edward and i taking racist protests on ælthryth
@@TheUntoldPast wait so a couple of things how do we know he was stabbed how do we know the murder took place at this castle and how do we know he was going there to meet his brother like that’s pretty specific
what proof do we have of those things
@@parrottroosterjuniourWe know he was murdered from entries on various versions of the Anglo Saxon Chronicle, although it’s not explicitly said by which method he was murdered. The Peterborough Manuscript of the ASCstates it was at Corfe Passage, which is known to have been on an estate owned by his step-mother Aelfthryth.
Some 30 years after the event, Byrhthfertg writes in his Vita Oswaldis that he was there visiting his brother, who was living with the dowager queen - which ties in with the location given in the Peterborough manuscript. Byrhthferth also indicates a contingent of noblemen went to greet him and that they were involved in a conspiracy.
Whether his stepmother had anything to do with his death has never been proven, but it’s certainly feasible to at least suppose because she, and her son Aethelred, stood to gain enormously by his death. But we can’t be sure exactly who he was killed by.
It all depends on how much credibility we’re prepared to believe either the ASC or Vita Oswaldis has. Given that both sources are as close to contemporary as we could hope to get, and that there’s no obvious reason why they’d need to lie about this, it’s reasonable to suppose that the basics of the story are true.
With regards to the location, I’ve seen a number of depictions of his death showing him at the gates of a great stone castle. These depictions largely tend to be over-romanticised Victorian nonsense because, of course, there’s no evidence of a stone castle being there. Corfe Castle was built by William I. However, records suggest a hunting hall was on the site either near or on the site of the subsequent castle, supported by archaeological remains of post-holes consistent with Saxon-style wooden buildings of some size and status. So whilst the sources tell us he died at Corfe Gap, he didn’t die in or at Corfe Castle, even though it was more-or-less on the same site.
I love your videos TheUntoldPast, The history of your wonderful nation is truly beautiful and dark.
The paintings and shots of Corfe Castle really were excellent! A great video!
Thanks! I went on Holiday here last summer, absolutely it's one of my favourite places to visit. Cannot wait to return.
@@TheUntoldPast I LOVE your videos, I don't think I've missed one since I subscribed!
Just tell us when you are going and I will join you😂
@@maryapatterson I wish! I'm in southern Ontario, Canada. I've ALWAYS wanted to visit Britain. Maybe, one day.
I had known very little about Edward's assassination. Aethylred tends to overshadow him because of his long but disastrous reign. Thanks for such a detailed account. 👍👍
I did not know that about Corfe Castle. I've visited so many times and had no idea. Thanks for another great video
I would love to visit. Very cool you have been there.
We had family holidays is Swanage every year as a child, the Jurassic coast is such a beautiful part of England. Maybe try the steam train from Swanage if you get chance, I really enjoyed it and had chance to have a few pints. Happy memories pre lockdown
@@tomsheppard378 very cool
Thanks for another very enjoyable lesson.
Thanks again for your support Elizabeth!
A new video from this great channel. Happy times.
I love these vignettes, they are very informative and well told.
I love this channel..I always learn something new..This is almost as bad as the two boy kings killed in the tower, possibly murders ordered by their own uncle.So sad for POWER.
There was only 1 boy king.
@@clewrites Well,an Heir,and a spare.It still stands to reason they BOTH were killed by their OWN uncle to gain power.
Really interesting. Thanks 👊🙂
Thanks for your support Simon :)
Superb video again, thank you 👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks for your kind words Steve! It means a lot!
Outstanding lesson and video as always.
"Edward the Martyr" - you just know it's not going to work out for him... LOL
You'd think his parents would have known better...
True. That’s like wearing a red shirt when on a landing party.
Thorough as always. Appreciated.
Love your videos! Keep 'em coming!
Great video once again
A very interesting video, thanks for sharing.
Cool! I hardly knew anything about Edward the Martyr, but it was really interesting to find out :)
Thank you for this gloomy story. As always well-explained. This channel definitely has the best programes about the History of UK.
Awesome presentation!
Not forgotten in Western Orthodoxy! King-Martyr Edward, pray for us!
Because he is an Orthodox saint from the era of orthodox Christianity in Britain . Few generations after his death barbaric Normans and Franks brought Roman catholicism from the continent with sward
@@aleksandarstavric2226 I Stole Japan From The Japanese And I Brought It As A Gift For Him
Great information, thank, you
great video, glad I found your channel
In 'The Marches of Wessex' by F.J. Harvey Darton ( who quotes from an account from St John's College, Oxford a M.S. in Latin), it states that Edward loved his young step-brother, Ethelred, and had ridden to see him after hunting in the (then) forest around Wareham. Following the murder, Edward's body was hurriedly thrown into a cottage spring. The old blind woman of the cottage, watching by the body, had a vision: her hovel was "filled with the glory of the Lord and she recovered her sight and saw what she was watching over". Queen Elfrida, "Full of wicked plans and guile", who was instigator of the murder, was struck with terror. She had the body cast into the marshes near Wareham then took the young Ethelred and hastened to her house in Bere Regis. Ethelred, "Did not cease to weep and lament" so a furious Elfrida , having committed regicide for him, grabbed some candles (all that was at hand) and beat the poor boy savagely so that, thereafter, King Ethelred could not bear candlelight.
A column of fire stood over the spot where Edward had been thrown down. Certain devout men found the body and bore it to the church of Lady St. Mary, Wareham. Edward's shrine still stands in the south-east of the church as does his stone coffin.
Thus, Elfida is possibly the original 'wicked step-mother' and she was, reportedly, beautiful too!
I have to admit I really don't know a lot about England history in between Romans and the Norman conquest. This is really interesting.
Saint Edward was a great defender of the church and monasticism. As a devout Christian prior to the schism of the church between east and west (1054) he is regarded by the Holy Orthodox church as a martyr for the Orthodox faith. As stated, his Holy relics are enshrined in the church of Saint Edward the Martyr Orthodox Church and monastic brotherhood at Brookwood, Surrey (where, by Gods grace, I am a parishioner). His relics can be viewed and venerated on his feast day.
That's really interesting, thankyou! I was massively confused by St. Edward being buried in an *Orthodox* church, but I thought the schism happened much earlier, & I didn't know that people who were martyred before that were considered martyrs for the Orthodox faith, but it seems to makes sense: he wasn't a "Western" (?) Christian because that didn't exist; he was a Christian of the still-united Church- is that the reasoning?? (I don't know the specific terms, & I don't know much about the Orthodox Church except it's quite different to "Western" Christianity: my Dad's cousin married a Greek guy & lives in Greece, & she says Easter's a much bigger deal than Christmas.)
You are unfortunately in an Old Calendaristic schismatic parish. Come back to the canonical Orthodox Church and convince other parishioners to do the same.
@@beth7935 well sir that "still-unified Church" still exist today and that is One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church (known to people in the west as Orthodox Church) Orthodox church was always "unified" 'cause she is Christ's mystical body and as such she is indivisible ....Rome was orthodox back then but later Rome fall in to a heresy (thanks to the barbaric Franks and other German tribes) Anglo - Saxon people and their kings were orthodox Christians ...back in those days there was no roman catholicism - there was only authentic orthodox catholicism
@@aleksandarstavric2226 That's so interesting, thanks! In the West "Catholic" means "Roman Catholic", of course, so if I heard "One Holy Catholic & Apostolic Church", that's what I'd think of, but thanks for educating me! I like to know what people officially call their own religion (& country, etc), as opposed to what outsiders call it.
How would you say the Celtic Church fitted into it? I know they followed different traditions to Rome, like calculating the date of Easter differently, & that the latter lead to the Anglo-Saxon king Oswy of Northumbria calling the Synod of Whitby in 663, where they decided to follow the Roman tradition- but since this was pre-1054, is it inaccurate to say they became part of the "Roman Catholic Church"? That's how it's been described in everything I've read, but you called it "authentic Orthodox Catholicism". I guess it depends who's talking about it- the books are English & thus use Western terminology, & if I was Roman Catholic, I'd say _that_ was "authentic Catholicism". I'm still trying to reframe things cos I thought the East-West schism happened much earlier, but it was only just before the Battle of Hastings, so I have to think of the Anglo-Saxon kings as part of the unified church, not as Roman Catholics.
This is good. Erasmus be a good one to do hint hint !
My mother her family name is Erasmus
Great video, do you know any info on how they trained to fight? Sword fighting, or any kind of training or did they just run at each other and start hacking away?
cheers for this
Hello this is a king who the world should take for a role model. British people especially. God bless.
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Take for a role model? All he did was get murdered by being stabbed in the back. He had a council that ruled for him. Oh I see what you mean. A role model for millennials who just sit around and expect everything handed to them. Yeah that does fit. Nicely done.
@@robertschumann7737 He died young and became saint. Not many kings can say that. God knew what is in his heart and rewarded him. If you can find someones body preserved and in one piece after death then he is not like other people. He was a victim of others. After his death terrible thing happened to England. He could not do anything about it. He is greater than the kings who lived in sin and did terrible things to other nations and to their people( may God have mercy on their souls). England used to have such a great kings that are now forgotten.
@@nemanjazujic4473 And he was a Catholic
@@nemanjazujic4473 Terrible things did happen th-cam.com/video/yGzDLpsoq5Y/w-d-xo.html
Great videos
0:22 seems in England they keep most of the 1,500 castle sites and monasteries deliberately in a destroyed condition. Kind of a warning that monarchy and monasticism was the biggest humbug of such kind that there should not even be a museum where people can go there and learn about history.
I think it was simply down to economics. If the building served a use, it was reconfigured, rebuilt or patched up. Many town and city monasteries became parish churches and then in time cathedrals for the reformed Church in England, Wales, Scotland and even Ireland. If it did not serve a use, it was allowed to become a ruin, and its stone generally used for neighbouring constructions.Some of the greatest ruins are the most isolated, where local scavengers were few and far between and couldn't cart too much stone away: Tintern and Fountains Abbey spring to mind. If a great lord or C16th newly prosperous man had his eyes on the stone for a rebuilding project, there might not even be very much ruin left, as at Glastonbury, Hailes or Walsingham, to name but three of the greatest pre-Reformation shrines in Engand.
I think the same is true for many of the castles that were "slighted" during the English Civil War. It no longer made economic sense to make them habitable after Parliamentary destruction, and that was even if you were able to buy back the land if it had been confiscated, or sold to pay fines for supporting the late king.
I think you will find that most local museums near such sites have collections that include quite a lot of material concerning nearby ruins, that may not be on display because of lack of space, but may get brought out for special exhibitions. Nothing to do with your concept of what constitute "humbug".
History is a guide for the people. Or a dangerous commodity, from the perspectives of the powerful, unless carefully pruned.
They’re not kept in a ‘deliverately destroyed’ condition as any kind of warning. Some castles were damaged after battle. A good example is Corfe, as shown in this video, which was blown up with explosives after a battle in the civil war, so that it could never again be used as a stronghold against parliament, and a lot of remaining stone was robbed out over time for other buildings. Some castles just became uneconomical to maintain and were abandoned to fall into ruin from the later Middle Ages onwards such as Clun) with the good-quality facing stones being removed ad-hoc for other building projects and some castles are still intact and, in some cases, lived in (eg Arundel and Windsor). In fact, Clun was left to rot when it’s owners moved to the more favourable Arundel. The last castle built in Britain was Castle Drogo and was as late as the early 20th Century.
For whatever reason, the ruined castles we have today were mostly in ruins before modern times and are beyond full restoration. And it’s considered a rather crass and truth-less means of conservation to virtually rebuild a historical monument, thus concealing most of its original historic materials and features. Not to mention extremely costly.
Monasteries are often in ruins for similar reasons, plus a lot of monasteries were left to crumble following the dissolution in the 16th century.
Very good presentation. I can't understand the " martyr"- thing?? He was murderd while visiting his brother and was betreeded.Ok. But this makes him a martyr? I missed something???
Same, in my country georgia there were many kings and queens who died in horrible tortures for country or for religion, for example ketevan martyr.
and this dude was just stabbed.
Wasn't Corfe Castle built by William the conqueror?
It was - you'll hear me mention later on that the settlement where the murder took place stood on the site of Corfe Castle.
Yes the castle was built on the site of a previous fortification. And Edward was killed on this previous site.
Oh ok, must have missed that thanks
It is the best defensive site in the whole of Southern England, the Saxons knew that.
I'm not sure that primogeniture was established as the natural indicator for succession to the throne for the West Saxon Royal House. Candidates certainly needed to be a member of the royal family, but selection depended on election, hence the emphasis in the coronation rites for the acclaimation by those present at the coronation, both of which had followed acclaimation by the Witanegemot, the Great Council of the West Saxon Kings. The acclaimation is now AFTER anointing with oil. In the earlier rites it always PRECEDED the anointing with oil, and was therefore a prerequisite rather than an afterthought.
I've always understood that this selection from the royal family continued with the Norman and Angevin kings, and inheritance depended on a combination of the late king's will, and the strongest or most appropriately placed son or other male relative, and ALSO acclaimation by the notable magnates of the time.
I was taught that Primogeniture arose from the historical accident of the eldest son inheriting the throne between the kings John, Henry III, Edward I, Edward II (eldest son of the late eldest son) and Edward III. After that succession claimants frequently jumped through causistic hoops to establish their primogenitural claims, even when they obtained the throne through conquest, or Act of Parliament (acclaimation by another name perhaps).
I think I figured out his password! (In reference to the commercial?) "EagleRock" makes perfect sense!
Ethelread''s reign was such a disaster, Bishop Dunston was convinced it was retribution from heaven.
Another show stopper
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This guy really want. You to read history
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How can anyone stab someone in front of his retinue and escape? They both seemed in on it
I thought the same thing. In that political climate, he would surely have had security and been prepared for this very event. These people weren't naive.
One painting shows a cross in his hand and a halo around his head. Illustrating the disturbingly close relationship between church and state.
Dilly Dilly for UTP!
Shocking is good word. The things people will do to each other, watch your backs people.
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Why np follow-up on what happen after his death?????
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I think that he should let his younger half brother to take the throne, and claim himself as regent to his younger half brother. That means his regentcy would claim him as the ruling monarch of the kingdom. Even though this had reminded me of a book that is named the "red queen".
Did you hear about the blonde bowman who aimed his arrow towards the sky?
He missed.
So, if this is Edward the Martyr, (King of England), who was king around, about 962-978, why was Edward Longshanks called Edward the first, (of England), in 1272-1307?
Although they had the same Christian name they were not of the same royal line, same title different family.
@@knightowl3577 The Normans restarted the count. It was a clean slate, a forced one that the Normans wanted known.
Don't forget Edward the Confessor. Anyway, the number scheme started with the Norman line.
The short answer is that regal numbers was a tradition that the Normans brought with them to England and they did not bother to base the counting on pre-Norman kings.
Edward longshanks should be edward iv
if you keep up these vids at this speed youre going to run out of executions
NEVER. Henry VIII could keep him occupied for life!
@@beth7935 true, i was expecting a reply like this
@@AMgangwolf Yeah, it's not a very imaginative one :D Really, it'd be more interesting to see who could rival him.
May I ask - anyone ? - what date was the schism between east and west. Prior to that, ( I’m assuming in Edward the Martyr’s time) , that everyone was just ‘ Christian’. Thank you for your videos. I’m really enjoying them 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
The great schism was in 1054.
Thank you Henry. I’m the type who gets ‘nosy’. I just have to know . Thank you 🙏 again. Most kind 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
Edward as well as entire Britain back then was orthodox Christian land .
Rival princes were often the result of royal polygamy, resulting in a blurred line of succession. In early Thailand, for instance, the older royal half-brothers would gather followers to overpower and even kill their potential rivals to the throne in Ayutthaya.
Good stuff,best wishes from the wirral, keep well and safe...E
Please explain why the king did not have body guards.
Of course it might not have been BRUTAL. It could have been one of those NICE murders that we have all come to know and love 🤣
The Patron Saint of my old Orthodox Priest.
It annoys me that pre 1066 kings get over shadowed by the Norman conquest. When in actuality English kings ceased in 1066 as every king after that was in fact French descendants!
The treacherous conditions of monarchy give any post 1066 kings a run for their money and the Queens were even more ruthless talk about behind every great man is a scheming woman lol
Perhaps the Norman kings were Scandinavian.
@@caryboy2006 part Scandinavian, part Breton, maybe a bit of English and Irish. Normandy was created by Rollo, but this was going on at the same time as the Vikings were being defeated in England and Ireland, a now homeless Viking population that have kids and wives in tow are going to go to the nearest new viking settlement rather than the much longer journey to Scandinavia. The Normans were a mix of all the people the Vikings mixed with.
Normans took over (stoled ) English identity but they didn't have nothing in common with Anglo -Saxon people of Britain ...they've brought roman catholicism with sward and fire and that was the end of Orthodox Christianity in Britain ....they didn't even give a shit to learn English language- this is how much they hated english people. Edward the Longshanks was the first Plantagenet (norman) king who knew English. The first one after two centuries of Norman conquest. Even on his birth , nobility, was shocked when he was baptized under such "uncommon" and "barbaric and Celtic" name unfamiliar to Normans - such as Edward !
So tired of that word 'martyr' from my childhood studies, they should have explained what a subjective, and narrow minded notion they were filling kids heads with.
Thought Edward the1st Known as 'Edward the longshanks' was the first king with that Name (Edward)🤔
No, there were more Edwards before longshank
@@uzaidgurjee4798 why was he Edward the 1st then?
The short answer is that regal numbers was a tradition that the Normans brought with them to England and they did not bother to base the counting on pre-Norman kings.
Edward longshanks should be edward iv
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The subtitles don't match all words, especially dates! Its funny! They must be done phonetically!! Lol
1975??
Edwards reign was 975-979.
Interestingly his father, Edmund the magnificent, reigned 939-946 almost exactly 1000 years before WWII. He also died in a stabbing incident, when a brawl broke out in his great Hall.
The subtitles get it wrong several times, depending on a persons accent! Its funny! Lol
The church of England has only one saint and he is Edward I think
Not even close. George, David, Patrick, Andrew. That's the obvious ones. There are a LOT more.
While the Church of England had no saint making process like the Roman church or the Greek Orthadox, it generally venerates those traditionally observed as saints throughout Christendom, or least those determined to be saints before the English Reformation.
When the Prayer Book was reinstituted with the Restoration of the Monarchy in 1660 after the years of the Commonwealth, there was a service included for "Charles, King and Martyr" on January 30th, an observance that used to be listed in the Anglican Lectionary, which lists who is to be remembered and commemorated in prayers for the year. Perhaps King Charles I was the nearest to be considered a wholly Anglican "saint".
I'm wondering lately when and why they stopped assassinating and executing their rivals and instead went to the Law and more civilized ways of dealing with issues.
got this in english
Guess William Wallace had the last laugh
William Wallace wouldn't be born for another 300 years. What are you on about?
Different King Edward. This and Edward the Confessor are Anglo-Saxon kings. Willie Wally died under the Norman King Edward the 1st.
Me as potential Heir to any thrown. No thank you. lol
The Democrats did it.
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Maybe one of your greatest tricks. Distributing tons of your islands history around the world, pretending
this would be the history of europe. great marketing gig. what do you think, whos civilization got yours? Ok Brexit tells enough about your flamboyand self-perception. in the series about heinrich viii, the ruler of the world karl v appears twice as a clumsy statist :-) Nothing about your most dangerous competitors, the Dutch. you attacked the exhausted dutch seafarers in the English Channel, so you got the first spices and their navigation maps.but everything was always glorious from your point of view. it seems like every damn english king is more interesting than all of europes personalities.and literature was founded by shakespeare not in italy. but there is also a continental shy away from staging. we are so happy to have monarchies and (their) wars behind us, that's why we prefer to do comedies and documentations about nature. for you as a winning nation, of course, I understand your never-ending navel examination. But ok, Pink floyd makes up for a lot. Apart from 3rd Reich interruption, the currently "most livable city vienna" has been ruled by social democrats for 100 years (< in your notebook Mr. Farage) and they are extremely interested in great films and series about emperors and kings :-) the queen knew exactly why she never visited vienna, although she had no concerns about proper accommodation. she knew that the most liveable city in the world (once again under your upperclass nose) is SOCIALIST since 1918. We self call them social democrats but in comparison to your social democrats, they are social social democrats wearing red underpants. Feared abroad because of the high taxes. Every junkie gets his place and immediately. for every difficult child, there is a therapy horse. 1.9 Mio Inhabitants. In 2018, 34 rapes were reported. you can go to the opera and stroll through the side streets wearing your jewelry. because we have cut the insatiable aristocracy aliens, notorious not permitting social peace. notorious spreading unrest into peoples souls by showing their overbearing alien richdom. Unlike in Germany, it is even forbidden to use an aristocratic name. you will laugh at me but that is also my vision for you. you will forego the oh so great tourist revenue and saw off the aristocrats. this heartless people haunting foxes with armies of dogs. can you imagine the fear of the cubs in the fox's burrow. perverse cruelty to humans and animals, that is to be expected from aristocrats.
The queen is to blame for brexit. the gap opened at the moment when she publicly rejected the euro as an entry into buckingham. all other nickels welcome, except my continental money. somehow a laughter but that was the toxic moment. It was right after the introduction of the euro and I still remember that, despite my optimism, I was very disappointed of this hostile gesture, 18 years ago. I am sure you will get rid of your nostalgia, that you can't really live in and become a republic. Just like us, the imposing mansions will serve your youth events and vernissages. Not every 15.2. and 23.7. as the aristos will grant their halls for you. but constantly because it will be yours. your congress centers without influenting hosts. Viennese hofburg, palace schoenbrunn, belvedere, the chateau park Laxenburg...it all belongs to the people. Habsburgs complain that we are ruining and devalue everything. it would be much better preserved in their hands :-) it's a lie, our republican institutions for preservation are doing an exemplary job of it. Can you lay down on the lawn for the Queens Corgies and read a book? I can do this easily under the emperors personal pissing-hedge. his ghost must wait behind me as courtesy demands :-) It was all a Joke. I know you love it to welcome cruel but rich oriental weirdoes, wearing funny blankets and therefore you need the monarchy. because this murderous humpty dumptys only respect such clownery. why not you have won the war (and i am seriously grateful for that) - but since 1945 it seems you live on LSD with no need to look into your mirror. Gert Froebe is dead, so there is no evil anymore.
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Do something about your diction, which in this video is annoyingly monotonous. And do something about your presentation. You're droning a story along which in it self is sometimes a bit vague. For instance the rules of succession. There is quite more informstion that could shed light upon such difficult successions to the throne, but all you say is that the law was not clear on that point, which in itself is just not true. I have seen better presentations.