666 special: Baali and the Soldiers of the Adversary
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- Greetings Kindred. I was literally just joking with a few of the Thicker Than Water players that if I was online when we hit 666 subscribers we had to do a Baali special. Here you go. Thanks Gypseytails!
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Are the Baali still around as a clan? id say yes very much so. it is actually confirmed in beckets jihad diaries and the whole Kupala story, the Molochim are around and aligned with the Kolduns of the old clan all over the carpathians at least, if anything of the Tal Mahe Ra survived, the Baali are there too - Molochim that is
Nergali are also very much around in South America as cross confirmed in the werewolf books where nergal is an extremely powerfull 4th gen Vampire that the ferra just cant get rid of despite trying hard for centuries and south america was barely affected by the whole Gehenna thing. The swarm are not mentioned but...they always stayed away from other vampires infesting the untamed nature places, and as servants of the wyrm, more dealing with werewolves anyway
I have such a hard time with the idea that the Tzimisce would side with the Baali. I guess the authors can write whatever they want, it just doesn't sit well with me for some reason.
@@VoivodeMekhet well in the black hand V20 there is sort of an alliance between the Old Clan Tzimisce and the Molochian balli. vs. Kupala, as for the main clan Tzimisce, and even Old Clan those who practice Koldunic sorcery are technically infernalists since Koldunic sorcery supposedly derives its power from Kupala himself who is an Earthbound demon. Of course Kupala itself probably laughs at all this and thinks haha, Im manipulating the crap out of these amusing blood suckers. And if you believe Vicissitude as an alien disease, well, that is a whole new level of messed up itself, heck not surprised the True Hand thinks those possessed by alien Vicissitude are vessels for interdimensional demons. infernalism just becomes more complicated.
@@VoivodeMekhet i acutally see that working out very well. Kolduns deal with demons ("spirits" of the land that were brought forth by an earthbound demon. Kupala IS an earthbound demon and the Drakon made a pact with Kupala for the koldunic sorcery so its very fitting.)
- also both have a big interest in keeping Kupala (and other earthbound demons) asleep
- the Obertus order and the Baali alike collect and research knowledge of all kind, so they can greatly benefit each other
- while the Drakon himself is surely pissed big time as a Baali (Mary the Black) killed Michael and burned Constantinople, the Tzimisce and the Baali alike are very cruel creatures, and the Tzimisce himself has very dark origins. Surely if the baali are out of the picture the Tzimisce are next in line to be hunted ^^
- with the end of v20 Kolduns even entered Baali nests an work alongside them, they even overhauled the Path of the Hive (Via Hyron) cause they felt the Baali are too cautious to succeed.^^
I just haven't kept up on my V20 Lore. Although I think the writing and the plot is inspirational for what I have read, the mechanics of the system were never to my liking so I lost interest pretty quick. I'm sure if something like that happens in v5 I'll be all over. I do own a copy of Beckett's Jihad Diary, so as soon as things come down enough for me to read something I don't need to do a quick review on I'll open that one up one day, lol. That's something I've been wanting to do for months.
Huzzah! Love the Baali. Congrats on 666
Thanks. Not really a milestone I was going to celebrate but it just seemed like the right thing to do.
The Baali are still around. and as always they are not out in the open, if you are found out to be baali, you are basically kaput. You have a eternal target at your back. I think the Baali should still be a bloodline. Other clans could be subsumed into the Baali bloodline through rituals. Reminds me of the Black sprial dancers subsuming the other tribes .
well the origin of the Baali is shrouded in many mysteries that place them really anywhere. Some say they are oft he tribe of the first men, predating even caine as vampires, some say their founder was caine himself when he made a pact with demons to learn disciplines lilith wouldnt teach him as said in the book of nod, some say the original coven were 13 2nd generation vampires in the first city, some say Ashur was an actual antedeluvian that created the Baali, and the most canon version is that they were founded on purpose by saulot which is confirmed in Beckets diaries.
In either way they are as much a clan as any stemming from a 3rd gen progenitor and indeed spawned a bloodline (Azaneali)
So for me they are definitely a clan and a special one as that as their blood has the power to override other blood, as apostates do indeed become actual Baali by blood (which is often explained by Baali being originally of the first tribe of men, but if they are caines clan that would also explain it)
Are Baali still around? Absolutely yes for a fact, we know Nergal is still very much around and thriving in south america, and while the Molochim took quite the hit when Enoch blew up, they are still aligned with the Kolduns of the old clan tzimisce and having nests together all over the carpathians
When I played my long run Baali I convinced everyone in the game that I was a rare clan that inspired the legends of Jinn, lol. Like they fell for it in and out of character. I was selling everyone demonic investments but told them I could only give them 3 each because that was the rules on wishes, lol.
@@VoivodeMekhet heh ^^ in my experience the 3 easiest clans to infiltrate are Tremere, Malkavians and Toreador. With the Tremere you share thaumaturgy and daimonion 1 can mimic auspex, your blood is almost identical, and i a clan looks the other way when demons are summoned its the Tremere.
The Toreador share presence with you so thats neat, and a debauched toreador isnt a special thing either, heck Toreador Antitribu are even worse than baali.
Malkavian is the easiest in my book. You share obfuscate so that can eleminate doubts, daimonion 1 mimics auspex, and heck psychomachia (daimonion 4) could as well just be dementation. Not to mention dark thaumaturgy has paths that perfectly mimic dementation too.
And malkavians are super individualistic so another one of them just showing up doesnt raise too many eyebrows.
Also your clan weakness as Baali can also be seen as just a form of insanity. that said, faking some mental illnesses isnt too difficult either.
Currently i have a Baali that uses Dark thaumaturgies shadow whispers a lot to learn about others - the intel gathered could be from auspex, and if hes standing there, talking to a shadow in an unknown language, its eery and more importantly...perfectly fitting the insanity of malkavians talking to himself XD
as for kindred infernalists, I think they are not all Baali, the majority are non baali, however the baali does exist. infernalists are not united by far, and probably war with each other or cooperate temporarily.
and i wont to stress out the difference between infernalist, demonologist and diabolist. Nergali are outright infernalists, the lot of them. Molochim are diabolists, they actually look down at those who enter pacts, and children of enigma are demonologists, they just want the knowledge
The distinction is important and I believe that players and STs not understanding that is where all the confusion comes from.
@@VoivodeMekhet indeed. In my mind Molochim are like - we are the true Lords, and thus we dont enter pacts, cause the biggest sin of a true Ba'al is to put someone else above you. They abandoned Moloch himself when he got bound to Troile, they surely wont favor another binding themself to a demon
Absolutely
My view Baali for V5 would have a discipline spread of Obfuscate , presence , Oblivion. Daimoneon is unified with Dark Thaumaturgy to become a subset of Oblivion.
there is actually a fanmade rulebook for Baali v5. They kinda failed at adaping v5 rules properly though but its well made otherwise. I play a Baali on 2 v5 servers with some house rules. Our set up is Daimonion, Obfuscate and Blood Magic (Dark Thaumaturgy)
I like the idea that Daimonion would be a set of rituals. I just need Call forth the Host, Sense the Sin and Fear of the Void below and I'm happy. All of those could be rituals.
@@VoivodeMekhet very true that is possible. Im all for the infernal investmens you gain with daimonion 6. immunity to fire is neat. if you play azanealy you can pair that with become shadow and basicly achieve godmode.
I guess we could make daimonion an amalgam between presence and blood magic as well? i mean fear the void below technicly IS presence XD (Dread Gaze)
as for bloodlines my take is : Gargoyles: Protean(viseratika, ), Fortitude , Potence, Blood brother Protean(Sanguinus ), Fortitude potence, , Daughters of the cacophony(Fortitude, Presence, Auspex)(Melnopinee becomes an amalgram power with teh basic three disciplines only the Daughters can use. Unique to their bloodline. True Brujahn , Potence , presence , Celerity(which becomes Temporis, only the True Brujah can use Temporis, which is a subset of celerity, cannot use celerity). Kiasyd and Maeghar(Oblivion(melniponee is a subset of Oblivion only the Kiasyd and Maeghar can use),
Interesting.
Baali themselves are factionalized into mutually hostile groups. Baali who worship demons, wyrm, nephandic gods, etc. the real demons themselves are probably quite amused of the baali who they manipulate. A good sized Baali group the Molochim are opposed to other Baali or infernalist sects as they are sort of the "good infernalists" if you can call them "good". They want to prevent the awakening of infernal nephandic gods.
Indeed we have a multitude of factions - the main ones being Nergali (infernalists) the Swarm (Wyrm) and the Molochim (want to prevent the worlds destruction)
But we also have the Azaneali (Oblivion) and the Shaitani (World Domination) as well as the order of the inner light (redemption / Golcanda seekers, working with reconciler demons)
And then there is another fraction - the celestials who seek ascension or better said transcendence, the destroyers who just want to end the world (nephandi aligned) the children of the enigma who seek knowledge at any cost...so yeah theres a few factions XD But the only one i see as actual player material are Molochim as they are the only ones that actually have a goal that works out in a team and they did cooperate a lot with the Old Clan Tzimisce and Brujah in the past
Thats the thing a lot of people forget about the Baali and infernalism in general in wod, demons aren't just one type of entity. Thier are so many demonic entities and dark gods from The Fallen, The Wyrm, The Outer Lords or Malfeans that a infernalist could potential serve or make a deal with. So infernalist will be very fractious by nature and even the ones that are seen as a "group" like the Baali and Nephandi have different factions within thier group to.
@@smuggrog9821 and ofc demons themselves are fractioned into faustians, luciferians, raveners, reconcilers...all with different goals and potentially at war with each other. I relaly like that depth in World of Darkness in general, its not all Stereotypes, some Werwolfes like the Silverfangs and glasswalkers occasionally ally with vampies (usually ventrue) .
And ofc there is a difference between infernalists, diabolists and demonologists
@@smuggrog9821 and not all infernalist are nephandi, heck I would say the majority are just regular infernalists who hate the nephandi though the nephandi are probably the most powerful faction. of infernalist
I gotta get around to doing some Demon the Fallen videos.
Are the Baali coming to v5? I very much hope so but i fear they wont for the following reasons:
- cults of the blood gods was a great chance to introduce them. They werent.
- Forbidden religions was a great chance to introduce them....they werent.
- Theme of V5 is dealing with your humanity and inner beast. Baali kinda dont work with that theme as they abandon humanity
- V5 was about making things easy, accessible and uncomplicated. Introducing daimonion and dark thaumaturgy is quite complicated
- V5 changed the face of the world quite a bit and with the destruction of the pyramid, the Baali took a big hit as the order of the wyrm was their main recruitment asset. They still have one of the inner council of 7 though (Thomas Wyncham)
- The Baali are usually not seen as playable clan by most players, i strongly disagree but thats the consensus
I do not see the World of Darkness writers making it so that the Baali are player characters but I can see them introducing them as SPCs much like the Sabbat. Perhaps an antagonist book based on infernalists and they could be introduced in that. If they come out homebrewing player rules in no far behind. I can see me making another series, much like Midnight Mass to make them playable.
When I thought up the Baali homebrew I used for a flash back scene in the game I ran, I gave them Oblivion, Presence and Obfuscate I made amalgams for Sense the Sin, Fear the Void Below, and Conflagration. The weakness I gave them was the repulsion from holy symbols, requiring a a willpower expenditure and a Resolve + Composure roll with difficulty equal to bane severity in order to approach. I used the Ministry compulsion mostly because i was just sort of throwing things together. I think if I were to flesh it out further I might instead make the compulsion a drive toward making Faustian bargains.
I plan to have them resurfacing in the modern time period that game takes place in, and I will be using the soldiers of the adversary for that. The idea I have is that the cult is a front for the Baali, the few true Baali behind this, to find prospective apostates. Santiago himself will probably never be re-embraced he's more useful in his current role, and I;m not entirely certain he even knows what's going on, or if occasionally a Soldier just disappears without a trace to start their new unlife as a Baali.
That is very well thought out and detailed. I love that whole thing. Please share more when that plot line comes up in your story.
The 4th dot of the Shalim lore sheet is literally Sense the Sin and Fear the Void below.
I've never had a chance to play with Baali. They've come up as minor antagonists, and they're often just treated as generic infernalists rather than a unique organization.
I think some STs don't really know what to do with them because the lore is often unclear and different sources contradict each other.
A dedicated "infernalist clan" never made much sense to me, though. Their unique discipline just seems like a form of dark thaumaturgy. The fact that converts apparently lose some of the traits from their native clan after taking the initiation is also kinda crazy. (at least in terms of daimonion replacing a discipline) So I'd rather just retcon the clan stuff out and make it a movement in vampire society. Like all disorganized movements, they're prone to splintering, and they change over time. Perhaps the baali label simply fell out of use and the main body have adopted "soldiers of the adversary" as their identity.
you may wanna watch my series on clan Baali here and show that to your STs. Clan Baali has very rich lore, and is very detailed. From all the different factions the Molochim are about the only one that is player character material though and i played Baali in quite some v20 and v5 campaigns (currently still playing in 2 v5 ones)
I know how reluctant many STs are to allow them in, and sadly, its warranted as many players who want to play Baali just wanna be the edgelord comic book villain which is worse than the fishmalk, others just wanna troll and hurt other player characters which again...is very bad for the group.
Playing a Baali is quite advanced and i know a sercver of v20 that only allows you to play Baali IF you played another character first to prove that you are mature enough to handle a Baali.
Personally i think the clan part of clan Baali is very important for the feel of it. If you just want to have infernalist vampires - they clan tremere has quite some of them, so has the sabbath and kolduns are all infernalists, if often unknowlingly so
@@OrkarIsberEstar
You mentioned that there's a reconciler faction of the baali in another comment thread. Is that canon? I tried to read more about it but couldn't find anything.
@@thegoodolddays9193 the order of the inner light yes. It was mentioned in...i think revised clanbook Baali but it is a super niche thing, they basicly masquerade as other Baali while secretly working to undermine their efforts and going for golcanda. I am sure it was on the white wolf wiki a few years back but i cant find it anymore myself oO there also was never an official named vampire belonging to them either.
Personally i think if you want to play a "good" Baali the Molochim are the way to go, sure they strive for world domination in their own right but which clan isnt, and they at least try to prevent the world from blowing up as that kinda hinders the domination part
@@OrkarIsberEstar ah I'll look into that and see if I can find it. I did find a Tumblr page that mentioned it, but it was mixed in with a lot of homebrew stuff.
And yeah the molochim's goals seem more conducive to a game than the other factions, morality aside.
Good Baali... evil Salubri. Where does it end!? lol. I've always wanted to play an infernal Salubri.
Dope video, as an infernal enthusiast, it's always nice to see new Baali content. Personally, I'd want them back as a clan as I love their lore & origins. I wouldn't be able to let go of Conflagration, it's essentially the only combative ability Daimonion has and my favorite.
Fair enough. I can agree but I just personally loved playing the quiet infiltrator. I loved seducing the other players into bad decisions. I don't think I ever really used conflagration.
@@VoivodeMekhet I've never played a Baali yet, but I'm currently playing a Black Angel (Lasombra) within the Camarilla that hunts infernalists that seek to awaken the children of the Outer Dark so that's probably why I prefer the combative route. I just gained access to Conflagration for our S2 so I look forward to using it for the first time to see how that goes. That said, I still love the other abilites of Daimonion, they're fun to use in social scenes.
Their fourth level ability Psychomachae will let them whip up an even version of the opponant that only the opponant can sense IIRC.
Great work and this is the only Clan I like as much as the Ministry, i actually see them as connected but that is just me.
they are to an extent. They share a lot of similarities, yet they ultimately are opposed on the most important doctrine of the setites. Setites worship set as the ultimate darkness and evil, and the Baali disagree on that point which is why, despite all the shared tactics they dont get along at all. indeed in canon, the setites are pretty much the only clan the Baali failed to infiltrate, likely cause the setites know their tricks and ward against that
@@OrkarIsberEstar In game I agree but in actual history Ba'al was an accepted title of Set or Sutekh.
@@SkullCowboy333 yes because "Ba'al" is just ancient mesopotamian for "Lord" there is also a Demon referred to as Ba'al and the Ba'ali are "the Lords" so ofc it could be a title for set^^ You might as well say Stalin and Roosevelt must be the same cause both were called "president"
I think it would be an interesting plotline if the Ministry infiltrated the Baali instead of the other way around, lol.
@@VoivodeMekhet We think alike
First I love the baali, they are, for me, very legit vampires when you see it from a "Enlightened Anthropic Principle" point of view as associating vampires with demons is very common in occidantal myths.
Making them a faction (as infernalists) and not a clan is pretty interresting. It always feel weird to see a baali in a story where it could have been a toreador (a succubus or a incubus), a lassombra (a dark lord/priest), a sethite (a vile corruptor) and so on.
I agree with your point of view on the daimonion and conflagration, I really prefer that this discipline is centered on the idea of inner demons and to leave the magical effects to infernalist sorcery.
Speaking of sorcery, in my chronicles i prefer make baali use common/hedge magic(with secondary abilities, specialities or linear magic), artefacts and demonic investments to do their black magic just like mortals do. So there is no risk of overlaping on thaumaturgy and magick (from mages).
I just have such a hard time seeing the Baali as common infernalists. They control, they do not submit.
@@VoivodeMekhet Personally, I don't think that baali (or vampires) can be common infernalists because been a vampire means supernatural resilience, immortality and over all the mastery of people's mind (which is where vampires excel, relatively to other night folks) as well as the mastery of manipulation.
I like Molochim especially, they seem more reasonable of all the baali. Nergal seem like your stereotypical power hungry Baali while Molochim seem more conent on keeping the sleepers awake😅
Well the Molochim are the one type of Baali thats actually player character material. They pretend to be another clan and infiltrate, they have a goal that isnt evil, and they indeed are reasonable and have discipline, not to mention they, in lore, cooperated with other clans in the past quite well (Brujah, old clan tzimisce mostly
I couldn't agree more. When I played my Baali in the past they were Molochim disciples.
@@VoivodeMekhet and the Molochim themselves may be the "good" guys but they have to indulge in many a detestable behaviour including murder of babies, children etc. in order to keep the demon gods at bay. Yep your humanity really goes down. after that.
I just see the "greater good" gag from Hot Fuzz in the background.
@@VoivodeMekhet the greater good certainly makes them more compatable with players anyway
Clan of demon انا احب هذي العشيرة
أعتقد أنني أحب فكرةهم أكثر من العشيرة نفسها.
Soldiers of the Adversary, possible remnants of the Axes faction from the Clanbook: Baali clinging on within the cult.
That's a great take on it.
I do belive that the Baali still play a Role ,Huitzilopochtli is still out there he hold the Strings on the Sabbat for a long Time. And in the V20 there was 3 Baali Prince of minor Citys in Europe (2 Disgused)
I was interested by how accessible the Baali were in v20. I was in dealings with an ST who wanted me to be involved in a Baali invasion/infiltration storyline he was planning for a Mind's Eye Society game before the plague struck. I'm not sure if that Baali Prince thing holds true in the v5 setting though. Many story points from one to not translate to the other due to the fact that it's two different companies running the two systems. I would be very interested in seeing anything that mentions them however.
@@VoivodeMekhet Belive driven many Clans or Bloodline is traps maybe thats the Ground Zero how Baali are "embraced" in the World of Darkness. There are allways example about Vampire that have a diffrent dizipline (Settit Warrior or Priests) maybe Dimonion a infernal mutation to Obeah like the malkav infernalist Malakv have Maleficia insted Dementaion.
I need to read up on them.
Whether it's the Baali, the Followers of Set, The Sabbat, or even the Anarchs, the Camarilla, the Death Cults, The Bahari, or the Ashira. Like the Mortals, It really doesn't matter what God or faction you subscribe to or who you pledge your allegiance to. All Kindred serve the darkness regardless of their positions or their opinions on where they stand. All Kindred are its servants whether they like it or not.
In my games I always have a "worst case scenario" outlook. No matter the characters intention something will go wrong, someone will get hurt.
Was never a fan of the Baali in terms of playing one until the creation of the Road Via Adversarius, or Path of the Devil. Unlike Path of Evil Revelations the tenets of this road or path was much more concerned with truly becoming ones own master, not serving one. Example: You Belong solely to yourself; suffer no man, vampire, or god to claim himself your ruler. Free will is your most valuable possession, allow none to defile it. Destroy that which enslaves the souls and wills of others (interesting), and teach them a better way. They balance the destructive urges of their Beast against an ethic that requires them to build something to replace those things that they must tear down. They feel it their responsibility to raise both men and Cainites above the muck of enslaving faith and a society in which all creatures are trapped. In the end, your existence and your soul belong to you and you alone. Neither God nor man possesses the right to condemn you. No Prince has the right to rule you, no clan nor cause is innately worthy of your unthinking obedience or loyalty. This for me, is the only Baali worth playing. 😈
You see, that is exactly why I never lumped the Baali in with infernalists. They serve no one. At least the ones worth playing anyway.
Im thinking that infernalists use both blood sorcery and Oblivion to do their powers. Like Baali bloodline itself uses Oblivion for their own daemonion or diabolic or diabolism(lasombra call it oblivion, hecata ceremonies, baali diabolism) which has its own rituals . Interestingly adding to the complexity, there are also infernalist blood sorcery rituals. The difference between oblivion and blood sorcery disciplines is that Oblivion draws its power from the abyss, Blood sorcery draws its power from the vampire blood itself. So the real demons , wraiths, shadow creatures, abysall monstrosities are all linked to the abyss. While the wyrm, corrupted natural elemental spirits, lovecraftian alien outer gods entities etc. are not linked to the abyss so can be called on or affected using Blood magic, So in that call, heck Koldunic sorcery or Koldunism is a mix of blood magic and oblivion. Certain Ways and Krainas are linked to Oblivion most or many are linked to Blood sorcery.
I can see the reasoning behind all of that but I think I just personally don't want to see more clans with Oblivion. The biggest thing I think I would do is to take the 3 types of Baali and write up a set of Rituals that are specific to each of their types. The Baali themselves in my opinion should come with Presence and Obfuscate (the idea of those two disciplines together just screams unnatural to me. Yes I'm looking at you Ministry) and whatever discipline they want from their Predator Type and the set of Rituals beased on the faction of Baali they follow.
Infernalists I believe should run the same. Some Dark Thaum ritual sets would be nice.
But as for Koldunism, I see that as an almost Anamistic Shamanism. Land Spirit worship and pacts with dava's and Yotuns. Yes it has the same ideas as infernalism but it's more like pacts with Umbral spirits.
and teh real demons, many probably hate and fear certain factions of infernalists, the nephandi etc. who are there to unmake reality or change it. heck not surprised demons can also become corrupted and become nephandi, I think nephandi is a catch all for some who want to destroy the current order of reality or utterly change it. and the caul(or the garou equivalent the spiral dance) is just an initiation to this kind of mindset. Interesting what happens to demons , changelings , vampires who go into the caul or dance the spiral. Heck not surprised if nephandic infernalists who worship demons actually worship corrupted nephandic true demons.
I can't help but wonder if we might see a D5 at some point. Demon the Fallen that fits in the v5 setting.
Honestly the one time I got to play a Baali, I was wasted by metagame when I first used Sense the Sin(because it's the best ability ever)
That sucks.
Apostates are actually Baali and if they sire, their child is a full fledged Baali. Apostates WERE from another clan but the ritual making them apostates changes their blood to that of Clan Baali and they indeed could be detected by an analysis of their blood cause if a known malkavian suddenly has "tremere" blood...thats super fishy. (Baali and Tremere blood is almost identical due to both hailing from saulot and having a tendency to deal with demons, it takes, in v20, auspex 6 to even be able to detect a difference, which is so minor, it could be explained away by a magical experiment oder accident
You can tell how much the fanbase wanted access to the Baali due to how much Baali content is in the v20 system. I'm always amazed.
@@VoivodeMekhet indeed. I think the Baali bring a lot RPG to the table, not just as antagonists, but in a game of intrigue Baali are really great to have around for great plot twists
I've considered plots where the Baali joined the Camarilla and through everyone into confusion.
I haven't dived into the old Baali clan book yet but now I really want to just to get a better idea of who they are. Dark Thaumaturgy is really cool. Can go beyond regular Thaumaturgy in alot of ways. Maybe we could see some Tremere-antitribu get involved with this. I wonder what the Soldiers would do if they ever ran into a real demon? Like Earthbound type.
I know for a fact that the Camarilla Tremere are more likely to practice Dark Thaum than Gortrix branch. The Sabbat may be power mad Vampire supremacists but they do not tolerate anything that would be considered infernal.
@@VoivodeMekhet Oh, is that right. I know the Sabbat hunt infernalist throughout the sect, but for the Camarilla Tremere to be more sacrilegious than the Anitribu is crazy. Then again, knowing how close-minded the Camarilla is, they probably wouldn't even know how to deal with demon infestation in the first place.
Where can I find Soldier of the Advisory
In the Forbidden religions book.
Also Koldunic sorcery is both blood sorcery(they become rituals) and oblivion(Koldunism)( a combination of way or sorrow and the Krainas of Enoch, and the well. ). Certain ways and Krainas could be classified as infernalism
I know.... it's hard for me to admit that for some reason. I'm well aware that in the World of Darkness setting Kupala is a demon. But in the real world Kupala's night is just literally the Summer Solstice. If the practices of Koldunism were based of actual practices of Slavic Witchcraft and Paganism the Kolduns would be Sun Worshippers and I find that to be an amazing thought. The Tzimisce worshipping the sun and basing all their magic off of legit land spirits just makes me happy.
@@VoivodeMekhet Im not surprised there are tzimisce of worship the sun.
@@VoivodeMekhet notice path of teh sun sabbat V5
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I am fighting Aleksandr Dugin and the Order of the Nine Angles.
I am the real deal LOL.
Left hand path bad guys, doomsday cults, dark magicians!
LOL
People, this will be the greatest game of our lives! The baali are real!
Stared into that abyss. I peed into it too. I onetime spit into the open maw of hell.
Have no fear. This is all a game.
I love your enthusiasm.
@@VoivodeMekhet hahahaha lol dig the name. Running around as a monster in plain site.
Seriously though WW products are all about the occult and bro that stuff is realish. LOL
Check out the real world john dee, the first 007 amd no shit spoke to angles.
He had a 440 year old prophecy. Its a pretty cool mystery i unraveled. Irl.
So much cooler than a game loosely basrd on irl.
LOL
Read the tempest again. After you Google how chemical wedding, and the Epic of the winter king and queen. These are real life events. By the way I'm of the mind that if you read into the subtext that Frederick was actually the bastard son of an artificial insemination experiment.
Magic men indeed. Lol
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Congrats 👏
Thank you. Almost to 700!
The Baali likely will be a cult down the road. It's been hinted that someday they may come back. The Cult of Shalim has some abilities on their loresheet similar to Daimonion abilities. As my favorite clan, I do hope we see their return. One thing too.. in the Adversary part it mentions Annazir.. Annazir is a powerful Baali in the old meta plot. Lol
Yes, I do believe that the Soldiers of the Adversary are just the new face of the Baali. They have been able to manipulate the Brujah since Carthage, why stop now?
New to the channel & looks like I am 813. Congrats on the success & rapid growth. Great content so far. It really makes this old guy want to dust off his dice & play some V5 after 20 years off.
Welcome to the community and the 813 status! You win... nothing. Sorry I'm broke, lol. Seriously though, welcome and feel free to be as active on here as you like. I try to be as interactive as I can with everyone, though I admit it gets harder the more people we have in our little coterie. We are working on a Discord for those who want to be super engaging. Should be open soon.
I ran a Baali chronicle. It was fun.
A whole chronicle of just Baali? That seems interesting.
@@VoivodeMekhet It's been years since it ended. It was short and sweet.
@@VoivodeMekhet postmortem Gaming is close to ending one they've ran the last year on youtube/twitch. The St has done the Baali book for ST Vault.
Thats not how to spell gypsy bro x
Well Dyslexia does come out and kick me in the ass from time to time. Sorry if I offended anyone. Not my intention.