Is this the modern Dennis Rodman?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 มี.ค. 2023
- What would a strong defender and offensive rebounder look like today? What if they lacked shooting and scoring moves? This detailed film breakdown & scouting report explores how today's game would change things for Rodman, and how Lakers forward Jarred Vanderbilt is a close modern analogue in style, and to some degree, impact.
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I think the best quality Vando shares with Rodman is how they both fit perfectly playing next to multiple superstars. Not only do they not take away possessions from star players, they actually add some back with their hustle, rebounds, steals, and blocks.
@Cedric Lewis Chan Vando is definitely more of a factor on offense than Rodman though. He has a shot that'll go in at a decent clip if you dare him to shoot, he can pass decently, and he has a respectable handle too. Not someone you'd run your offense through in a million years, but he'll get a few buckets even if he's not looking for them.
@@callmecatalyst Yes, offensive rebounds and running passing lanes are called defenese sometimes, oh wait.
His defense makes it for the Lakers
N Anna a
Vando defending KD if that happens in the playoffs will be great to watch🔜
It's crazy to think Vanderbilt and McDaniels were on the same team last year, we missed out on a potentially all time great defensive wing duo.
McDaniels, Vando and Gobert would make a defensive nightmare for team but their team offense would be average
Hypothetically they could’ve had Walker Kessler too instead of Gobert….
Wolves giving up Walker Kessler, Vanderbilt, Beasley and 5 first for Rudy is insane.
@@imrealtrustme3116 oh my goodness... stars would rather sit out then play the twolves😭
Sheesh, Ant Edwards McDaniels and Vanderbilt would have the whole league on clamps
I love Vando so much, just a workhorse. I was so sad when my Timberwolves traded him, he was the one I can’t believe we gave up for Gobert. Hoping for a great career for him!
I'm a big fan of defense and like watching Vando shutting down the opposing offensive player and his ability to guard all positions, also a good help defender.
Bro Im a lakers and timberwolves fan we could have really had mcdanies, kessler, and vando on defense we would literally clamp everybody
Thank you for Vando 🤝💜💛
yall have jaden mcdaniels. hes better
So people love Vando but hate Pat Bev? They're basically the same thing just different height. Too many soyboy turning basketball into a clown show. California is the worst state ever.
I felt like getting Vanderbilt in the trade was bigger than Deangelo Russell. The guy just does everything with 100%. And his contract is really good. Love his abillity to slip screens, very similar to Jrue Holiday.
we got dlo for free which was crazy
@@itzwakk335 the only valuable thing we gave away was our 1st and even then it’s top 4 protected we basically got all those guys for free
Honestly I can agree to an extent. D’Lo just BARELY takes it for me, he replaced the atrocious PG selection we had to deal with earlier this year, he’s obviously a better shooter than Westbrook. And a better offensive player than Vando, hes a Great passer. Part of the reason he’s not reaching his potential is because Darvin Ham is a rookie head coach, he doesn’t always put Vanderbilt on the best player, he doesn’t value taller defenders in general. Vanderbilt also has some pretty good IQ, He’s an excellent rebounder and just does all the thing you can’t see on a scoreboard. (Reminds me of Lamar Odom/Rodman) Hopefully we see how good he is defensively in the playoffs, him and AD’s duo led us to a Top 10 Rebounding Team (with no real Center), & a top 5 Defense since the deadline.
@@yuhhtempoad at this point is a pretty real center but yes agreed
I was screaming this when the trade happened. Giving lakers and Lebron VANDO is alll the protection and hustle they were asking for
As a Lakers fan I actually couldn’t believe we nabbed him at the deadline. One of my favorite trades of all time for the team.
Lakers are the #1 defense since the trade... mind blowing people aren't waking up about them yet
same man, I couldn't believe it.
@@BayAreaHoops415 Westbrook since leaving the Lakers: 49% FG, 32% 3pt, 56% 2pt.
@@NikoBellic20080 Sounds like his career averages maybe slightly improved from FG% why'd you bring those up? 😂 What was it before last nights game?
Bigass fleece, UTA gave him away
Giving Vanderbilt that official thinking basketball TH-cam love
Vanderbilt has been such a blessing to this team. It's truly remarkable how big of a 180 Rob Pelinka was able to pull off. 👏🏽
His presence and defense graze invaluable levels.
And to think that he and McDaniels were on the same team!
LeGM pulled this off
#InRobWeTrust
Don’t forget that he pulled this off without giving away ANYTHING.
@@moneymoney3235 naa Lebron almsot killed this team getting HIS guys like Pat bev , Westbrook and the other mercenaries he tried to bring
Rob took back control and fixed this shit
Keep in mind Vando is still only 23, while Dennis didn't even start his career until he was 25! JV is really unique and his ball handling skills are something Rodman never has. Vando is definitely one of my favorite players and I'm looking forward to seeing where his career goes from here!
Rodman was a late bloomer but an athletic specimen/gifted physical defender despite having a late growth spurt. Rodman was a better/willing passer and even though he didn't put the ball on the floor often, he could still be a connective passer and find his teammates in the half court. His court vision was also sharp since he was drawing a buckton of charges. Lets not set high bars for a 23 yr old guy who hasn't earned shit to a HoF player who cleaned up the glass against the best of giants.
Lakers did good keeping him, Rui, DLo and Reeves for sure.
Vanderbilt is the type of player everyone loves to watch. Nothing but hard, smart work up and down the court. Absolute unit.
Bro that "defensive euro" at 0:57 was fucking lit
Vando and Reaves on the floor at the same time is crazy good.
vanderbilt has always been one of the more underrated players in the league glad everyone is noticing now because he is on the lakers and there are definitely some similarities with him and rodman
I always thought it's asinine that Vanderbilt was basically a throw-in in BOTH trades out of Minny and then out of Utah to the Lakers. I know he's limited offensively, but he's just such a great defender and rebounder at his size, AND his contract is extremely friendly ($4M for this and next year).
With the prevalence of big forwards who have the quickness and shiftiness of guards, it was only a matter of time until guys like Herb and Vanderbilt brought that same speed and quickness to the defensive side of the floor
The lakers were the 13th seed and down 6 games from .500 but after the trade the lakers have ranked as the second best defense in the entire league while being the 8th seed and a possibility of being 7th if they beat the wolves tmr, Vando’s impact has been otherworldly for this lakers squad.
Going for that 6th but we going to need help. With that said we gotta win out.
Could b 5th if they win out
@@marcelus4848 it’s actually disgusting how good the lakers have become.
I cannot believe how fast Vanderbilt is in some of these clips. It's like he has the perfect combination of mental anticipation and physical speed. The play at 06:08 with him not even bothering to look as he is turning really shows how much basketball imagination takes place in his mind.
the fact that you guys gave him his own video is high praise indeed 🎉❤
Jarred is the type of player every gm wants. Adds so much to the roster when offensive threats are abundant.
I would not describe the Lakers team as a team where offensive threats are abundant. However, with Davis at center, their defense stacks up really well. Especially without LeBron, the offense relies heavily on people like Reaves or D-Lo to create something out of nothing, otherwise its just a low percentage AD shot from the perimeter.
@@pinobluevogel6458 What I mean is that offensive threats are readily available across the league, not in regards to any particular roster. If you were theory crafting a roster from the ground up, to me there are a lot more relevant offensive threats than defensive ones to choose from.
@@xenocide1307 While this might be true, having a defender that can provide value on offense is still what you want. Vando can bring some, since he is a great offensive rebounder, cutter and passer. Other players, like OG, provide more scoring for themselves.
Being a really good defender might be preferred or more rare in the league, but you cannot be a non-factor on offense either, people will just ignore you for the most part and double team the scorers.
And this is why Vando is one of my favourite players to watch
A defensive player who doesn't trash talk. Unlike drymond and brooks. And even dennis rodman.
I've noticed this too
@@Daniel-qn9rwwow VANDO is seriously just diffferent
Brooks is not even a good defensive player lol
@@scofieId10 but he is tho if you don’t like him just say that😂
This is a huge plus in my book. Keeping it clean, but still have great intensity and work attitude.
The way this guy quickly spins his hips when he's beaten... Never seen that before.
His feet movement for that defense on that corner-3 attempt for Donte Divenczo was absolutely crazy and entertaining to watch
Absolutely
Great video! I love Vando as a Lakers fan, and even before he became a Laker, I always loved his game. High motor, dirty work player that is a sneaky good passer. Hope he's a Laker for a long time.
fun fact , do you know that he was seen as a point forward and compare to odom in high school?
@@snowman_oven honestly I can kinda see that fr. He runs the floor really well for a primarily defensive player
As a Warriors fan it pains me how much of these highlights are against us
We have GP 2 don't worry 😅🔥💪
@@wisdomseeker3132 gp2 is good but its going to take a min for him to be good as last yr
Cmon now Warriors fans. You know the regular gets rocky but come playoffs, if the other 7 teams aren't at the same level defensively as the Dubs, they clearly can't hang and it shows. Grizz know it best when they got that one game they shut out the Warriors in the middle of the series. Then the Grizz got their backs blown out as they lost games and ultimately the series.
That clip at 6:07 is crazy, how fast he stops and changes direction
wow that was crazy
he basically knew where to go to keep on his man😮
Forget skill or status, just seeing a player work this hard, and be in good enough shape to do so is so refreshing and inspiring
calipari said it first!!! vando is so underrated
Vando is such a unit bro. Thinking basketball is dope for making a vid on him.
I noticed his play in Minnesota last year and thought that he was a good player then, but now he’s turning into a star because he’s THAT impactful to the game. Very fun to watch
This Vando dude must be special. 2 videos on him in 1 day
THE VANDALORIAN!
Thank you Ben for making the Vando love and appreciation official. ❤ You always mention him in the pod but now people can see his impact.
Much love. #LakerNation
I love how these videos have helped me put a term to my favorite defensive situation as a very old school physical defender. And that is "Peeling". I adore that kind of adaptive help defense, as it isn't in any way too close to a double team (which as a diehard passionate defensive minded guy I cannot stand for any reason whatsoever), and allows for a truly quick and for me easy switchability when it comes to playing man to man (my favorite overall defense), to playing help defense on one or even two players when your teammates slip out of position. Its by far the most common and effective from the sides (corners). From inside all the way out to three. When my teammates in pickup games trust me in that "peeling", I could not be more energized, motivated, driven & enthused playing basketball.
What a fantastic video - really well done. This is one of the best basketball channels and we are thankful for your content!!
Been waiting for someone to shed some light on this brothas defensive ability
Same!
And Ill still waiting on videos about Immanuel Quickry, Jose Alvarado, and more videos on Lonzo.
@@injusticeanywherethreatens265 not much to say about lonzo tho
@@flstep835 you dont watch basketball...
@@injusticeanywherethreatens265 he's always injured and hasn't played a game this season wdym
@@injusticeanywherethreatens265 he's always injured and hasn't played a game this season wdym
Thank you!! Discovered your channel through your last Austin Reaves video and subscribed with the hope of catching some other Lakers vids and here you are!! Back to back great (Lakers-related) content.
this is incredible coverage- thank you.
Thank a lot you for this! Players like JV are rarely seen in action in the modern recap that tend to show just throws, eventually some block done by well known player.
Your essay give him the right attention!
I really appreciated that!
it is much more difficult to play effective defense in this current era. the kid is doing really well, playing very hard and very smart. love the guy!!
Sheesh, imagine this Lakers team next season when they finally gel with one another and they manage to keep this core intact. Barring injury, it's within the realm of possibility that they can get back to being title contenders.
Yeah they have really looked to be getting back on track since the Westbrook trade. Still a lot of competition out west tho and bron will be a year older so we will have to wait and see
'Barring injury' LMAO. AD is lucky to get to 65 games played this season and the last time he got as close as a full season played was in 2018 with 75. He's also not shaking off those injuries being in the wrong side 30 either.
Let's not give up on this season
I mean if Vanderbilt plays like Dennis Rodman in the playoffs the Lakers are winning the title
Great video. Perfect examples and clarity.
Love Vando! And I love your page. This is awesome analysis!
As a wolves fan I really miss him, I know we’ve been good this year regardless but he’s honestly such a good player and I’m really pissed we lost him in the Gobert deal
Reid is great
@@chauvintookaknee4blm268 Naz Reid.
@@walter942 no I meant Ed Reid bro...
@@chauvintookaknee4blm268 Naz Reid.
the wolves have been good this year??
Speaking of Rebounding, can you do one on how Kevon Looney gets so many boards!???
Defensive analysis is probably my favorite flavor of basketball videos. The number 1 complaint I hear from 90's diehards is that there is not much defensive skill in todays game. The only reason they say this is because they don't realize that the speed of defense is evolving just like the speed of offense. They're so focused on trying to keep up with the offense that they miss so many good defensive plays. To sum it up, old people's eyes are slow 🤷♂
Love watching Vanderbilt play the game. He is one of my top 5 favorite players. He plays with intense defense, rebounds and reminds me of Rodman.
Vando is one of the reasons Lakers have turned their season around since being traded to the Lakers. The guy hustles and makes plays ends of the floor to help the Lakers be in playoff contention. The comparison with Rodman is pretty spot on, even though Vando is not the physical rebounder Rodman was but he is more skilled offensively than Rodman IMO.
Kudos to the creator of this channel. Very professional in both video production and voice over. I thought I was listening to Dan Patrick talking about basketball. The pace is perfect. Keep up the great work, and I've hit the subscribed button due to the great content.
YES!! We are all Jarred Vanderbilt fans
Great comparison 💯💯🔥🔥 love this channel u teaching good
Thanks for making this video!
When he said next Dennis Rodman I thought he was talked about Jeremy Sochan
Jeremy is a wannabe Rodman just looking to cash in on an already created character instead of being himself
He's 3 things away from getting a fat contract. 1 is a respectable corner 3. Even on low volume. 2 is working on his finishing around the rim. He's usually attempting some ridiculous flashy layups or can't tip the ball in. 3 is lowering his turnovers. he turns the ball a lot for a role player. Amazing defender and rebounder with great hustle and versatility.
Well said i agree w all points here
Rodman was a quick jumper and knew where the ball was going and understood rim trajectory. Plus he could defend every position on the floor. A very unique athlete and one of a kind player.
Rodman wasn't athletic dude was just a very hardworking tough gritty physical basketball player that out hustle the opposition as for Vanderbilt he a unique athlete his energy and endurance combined with his quickness is insane dude doesn't stop moving.
Most impactful trade the Lakers made this season. He and AD cover the perimeter and interior masterfully, making the Lakers' overall defense the best in the league. If he's hitting the 3 ball, good luck to the competition.
He’s seriously such a gem. Vando is the real deal
I think one of the things that made Rodman focus on rebounding is he saw a market deficiency of sorts. I'm not sure what that is today.
Yeah everything is hyper optimized today - there arent any easily exploitable inefficiencies like that
This comparison is just on point LOVE IT
When I saw the video titled I was initially concerned about the comparison, but I see your very insightful point.
Great video
Loved Vando when he was on the Jazz. High energy player, maximum effort. Does all the things that help the team to win without grabbing much if any of the spotlight. Sad to see him get traded!
I was wondering if you'd bring up those pels games, I'm a fan and BI has been unstoppable in most games this year, but Vanderbilt was giving him (and every pels fan watching) fits. Such a great defender in the pick and roll, he's gonna be essential to any Lakers success in these playoffs
Really great to see that some players actually still play proper defense in this league :D.
I loved this video! You should do more historical comps for current players like this one
Great video. I can see the resemblance to Rodman, but what about a comparison to Shane Battier?
Battier was a no-stats All-Star. Except for the occasional dagger three, Battier was rebounding, moving without the ball, and good defense. He was a kind of super glue player. Things were just better with him out there, even though you wouldn't be able to tell in the newspaper the next day.
Vanderbilt looks like one of those guys. People will complain that he doesn't have a jumper, blah, blah, but he gets rebounds, passes, and plays lockdown D. He makes everyone else just a little better by going 100% when he's out there.
I would love for you to do a deep analysis on how good Rodman was.
Love your content. One of my favorites. It would be so cool if you would do a cool highlight circle around the player your discussing at the beginning of the play. This way we could see the game as close as you...lol. so cool
Bruh the excitement every time I see a new video lol I’m like a kid on Christmas morning.
Love defense videos
If Vando really grind it out during the off season and somehow bring his 3P to 0.4 or at least 0.38
He's gonna have heck of a payday.
Thanks for the Woodridge throwbacks. About the time I started watching, they just happened to be my local team. ;-)
I was waiting for this one
have you guys see the 3s from the corners from Vando? he has been practicing to play within the system with Lebron and AD
High motor, discipline, and fast processing speeds equals a coach's dream on the defense.
so good. thx for the vid.
I loved him on 2k when he was in Denver.. used to use him all the time tbh I'm happy he's getting covered cuz i love his game
I was surprised Lakers manage to get valuable players out of Westbrook. And we didn't lose much except for a draft pick that wouldn't matter.
Vando is by far my favorite Laker.
Rob definitely outdid the trade deadline. Thanks Utah for Vando!
A running start for a rebound is actually a very good way to out jump the defenders 👍🏻
And to sneak past them 🙂
I wanted to say Sochan, but this dude is such a defensive juggernaut. Sochan at least has more offense for the moment
I really want Vando to be the starting center for the Lakers most nights. He can play the free safety defense like Draymond Green does and that lets AD go back to the 4 as a help defender. AD is much better as a help defender. If AD plays the 5 that makes him bang against big bodies like Jokic and Embid which he doesn't like to do. It also makes him the primary rebounder and rim protector. That's pretty hard to do. If you protect the rim that puts you out of position for rebounds on most possessions. If you are boxing out your feet are planted as the shot is going up and you can't contest the shot. Vando opens up AD's defense and takes primary rebounding pressure off of AD's shoulders.
I love the podcast and all of your content. You guys talked about outlining the positives each mvp candidate brings to the court and weighing who brings the most value to decide who the mvp should go to. Have u thought about doing a series that does this? It would be nice to actually see some real basketball analysis done when it comes to mvp conversation for a change.
Can you do a video on Kevon Looney? He leads the league in offensive rebounds. I feel like he should be getting more recognition for most improved player.
Am a huge Dubs fan, so I shoulda seen this earlier, but didn't. Yes, of course Looney has become a force
I loved this video & hella appreciate vand man he has changed this defense for sure!! He’s the engine on the defense of end!
The long expected loveletter to Vanderbilt. Awesome video and a well deserved look at an incredibly fun and solid player.
Agreed
Thinking back on what could’ve been while he was at Kentucky…Shai, PJ Washington, Kev Knox with a healthy Jarred would’ve been so nasty
Defense is all about effort. Who wants it more. The best defenders will read the play before it happens and will always seem to have incredible recovery defense. See it before it happens. People will have "Rodman Esque" seasons but there is only 1 "Worm". Got to have a competitive fire the burns white hot...just want to compete. Loved playings with these guys, always knew they would bring it every game.
Great video !
6:10 that change of direction is superhuman.
I really really really like Vando. He’s my favorite pickup from the trade deadline for Lakeshow.
Why the re-upload?
there was a music issue
These videos are a basketball fan's dream. You're the man!
Great vid! So many people think defense was harder back then but its not even close to as difficult as it today with the space and speed of the game
Plus you can’t touch anyone. Watching great defenders get fake fouls as Harden jumps into them freezes the defender so much because you can’t get into foul trouble
I wouldn’t call him a modern Rodman, he’s just a dude that plays with a lot of passion
Just to let you know he’s been doing this on the timberwolves for quite some time it’s kinda sad to see that DLo and vando were completely under appreciated in that franchise because of there main stars not being able to feed off of there energy and defensive IQ
@@mrt1640 trading dlo kinda made sense cause they wanted Ant to handle the ball but trading Vanderbilt made no sense
exactly like rodman.
And you can credited his passion as having a great motor as said in the vid just like Rodman
@@woah7609 And Ant isn’t a primary ball handler he’s a shooting guard for a reason…..that’s why he’s averaging more points then assist there best passer is an aging Mike Conley that’s kinda concerning
Rodman was definitely far stronger. Vando is great at dealing with smaller players with his speed and agility, but gets muscled around by power players like Julius Randle.
power player? randle?
Just listened to the pod....didn't know the comments on this video were that wild. I think they need to listen to what you're saying. This vid, just like all your others, are AMAZING. Vando is also one of my fav player bcuz of his motor. Fun to watch. Thanks for this vid and your content. I really enjoy it
Love this series
2:16 it really is a Vando-rful defensive posession
This sort of stuff really makes me wish we had a "What if...?" machine so we could see how the 72-10 Bulls would do if they existed now, with Jordan, Pippen AND Rodman all hounding this generation's scorers all over the court.
They def win high 60s of games and cruise to a ring
I think Kevon Looney should also be considered a modern Rodman to be honest. Man's grabbing 20 rebs every game these playoffs and always a good rim protector as well. Good screen and rolls too. Such a great compliment to stars like Steph and Klay and Wiggins to score
yes but he's a center
Haven't been paying much attention to basketball this season. But, I will be watching this dude from now on for sure.
You know how to get these clicks, keep pushing Lakeshow Agenda, #18 on the way 💪
Perfect analysis
You should do a video on how great a defender Jordan was. The fact that he was arguably the best defensive and best offensive player in the league during his prime is probably why he gets so much praise.
I may be a Laker fan and a bit biased, but Vando should definitely AT LEAST get 2nd-team all-defense. He prides himself by guarding the team's best player in all 5 positions. Hell, Ingram is even on record by saying Vando is the toughest defender to beat for him.