They say Panther soft and hard attacks are very high, and breakthrough stats are outstanding. With all modules maxed out the production costs will be very high though.
The thing with pre loading is, the round you have in the chamber might be the wrong one for your target (overkill or cant penetrate the target). But the Ladershutze general here should know that
That's why HEAT rounds became popular during the cold war. Good anti vehicle or personnel HE charge with great penetration (obviously ERA is a problem but Ukraine war proved ERA full of cardboard boxes exist 😂).
@@penzorphallos3199 Its not just ERA, but modern NERA (Chobham etc.) generally eats HEAT pretty well, which is why we returned to kinetic penetrators (APDSFS) for hard targets. Still kinda works as a general purpose round, but it might be inadequate against modern armor.
The AbramsX is probably a better platform, due to being lighter and it's features; having an ETC capable gun, anti-drone autocannon, better APS system, and AI assisted search-and-track fire control system. But either is a major upgrade on past generation systems.
But isnt Abrams X more of a test platform than anything else? The Panther however is a production series, so it would make sense it doesnt use all the crazy expensive experimental stuff
@@leontan3512 True, and such is certainly an advantage for the AbramsX, but the gas turbine of the Abrams' in service are quieter on the move, though the fuel consumption benefits of the X are certainly there, especially for the export market and as an upgrade package for the growing number of nations adopting the Abrams as a platform. But the bigger game changers are what I listed, even if current ammunition doesn't support it, the plasma-based ignition of the AbramsX allows it to use more powerful and safer propellant charges - offering both higher velocities and lower chance of going up if struck by a round. It's actually properly able to handle drones and loitering munitions, it's APS is capable of dealing with top-attack ATGMs better than the KF51 can, and AI is a total game changer, given it's supposed to do active threat assessment, adding an extra layer to the hunter-killer systems NATO has used on tanks these last couple decades. On top of beign a networked system so your tank's AI is communicating with other networked systems too, so.... yeah. Given enough surveillance platforms in the network, be it satellite, drone, other tanks, etc, first-shot capabilities are massively enhanced. Also potentially even hyper-accurate indirect fire capabilities with that AI assistance if it's networked, now that I think about it.
@@kehleaufgrossemstein The AbramsX is a technology demonstrator platform - it's a private venture by the manufacturer that basically has a bunch of upgrades they themselves have developed for it, and are offering in whole or in part to those who use the Abrams currently. It's effectively a sales pitch of a prototype by GM rather than something the US asked to be developed. Upside is, it means that it's for sale for anyone who is running the Abrams - not just the US. So Australia, Poland, and the like could adopt the AbramsX if they were of the mind to spend money on it and got in contact with GM. Downside is... it's not likely to be adopted into service as-is by anyone, because historically technology demonstrators tend to stay just that, with sometimes subcomponents making it into adoption but rarely the entire set of upgrades.
From what I understand, the abrams x is meant as a concept and tech demonstrator rather than a serious option to replace the abrams. I’m pretty sure the Panther is actually a serious full tank and can be sold to other countries though it’s up in the air wether Germany will get any since they’ve been developing a new tank with the French. Personally I’d rather see the Panther be the new German tank but we’ll have to see what the Franco-German tank looks like.
very clever, whats next? "bro you cant even say hitler or you get sent to the labour camps in germany!!!! jorjorwell literally1894!!!!". where do you even get your information on germany you dunce, or do you jsut straight up imagine a fictional germany where the german military is forced to fight using teddy bears and candy canes?
The steering wheels moves because the wheel has space to move aswell. A tank track wont move at all no matter what you do to it even if you shoot it with an artillery round it will not jank the steering wheel inside the tank.
I don't see Germany taking on the Panther. 120mm smoothbore is the NATO standard, for now at least. So much so that Britain is abandoning it's Rifled cannon for comparability with the rest of NATO. Panther seems more likely to be an export only model.
in my opinion the market situation for this tank is suboptimal. Germany and France won't buy it as they are working on their different combat system. UK just recently anounced the modernization of their Challengers. Spain and Portugal don't have the money. Poland, a major Arms buyer as of late, signed a deal to buy a ton of Corean K2 tanks. I am unshure on how much money Ukraine will have. As potential buyers I see mainly golf states (might be difficult with german foreign ministry regulations on arms sales)... Perhaps India, Turkey or Italy if they could afford it. We are probably talking a few hundred tanks sold, not thousands like they did with the Leopard
KMW is so far behind in production that many buyers left the leopard2 because they don't want to wait, e.g. that's why Poland chose Korean tanks! The Hungarian army also ordered the leopard2A7+ in 2018, not a single piece has been delivered, perhaps the first copies will arrive in December! (They are also waiting for PZH2000s from KMW, they could not even deliver all of them, about 10 are still in production, which ties up part of the leopard2 production capacities) Since the Hungarian order was before the war in Ukraine, they wanted to double the leopard2 order, to which KMW said that it could be completed by 2030, as far as I know, they are already negotiating the KF51 with Rheinmetall (the KF41 is already in service in Hungary). Italy, the Czech Republic and Slovakia also chose the leopard2, but they too will only wait until 2028-2029, the German army also needs tanks (they are also waiting for the leopard2), ... due to the slowness of the KMW, there is a market demand for the KF51 to! Don't forget, KMW manufactured more than three thousand leopard2s in 50 years, and as it became more complicated, it produces fewer and fewer of them, currently the maximum capacity is 2-3 units per month, if the production of other vehicles does not limit its capacity.
The satellite, AI auto aim wouldn't work...Because of satellite resolution issues (basically tanks still appearing as blobs and requiring humans to interpret data in slow real time)...Also the enemy would come up with tricks to mask their profiles which would cause AI confusion.
That Leopard 2 video didn’t actually say anything about what makes the leopard unique or better than previous leopard variants or any other tank or it’s actual capabilities at all. It was literally the most barebones basic normie tank video I’ve ever seen.
@@BelkanMagic Not thick enough. A 3BM60/3BM59 or future 3BM69/3BM70 APFSDS round can slice through the upper and lower plates of pretty much every western tank.
@@comareborn8734 Oh really? I'd like you to point me to your sources where said rounds have been tested against the frontal armor of modern western tanks like the Leo 2A7, and M1A2 sepv3 and achieved penetrations. I'll wait
@@skdKitsune I don't want to start any argument cause i can't bother, but it's a well known fact that the hull of the Leopard has some pretty big weak spots, like many other tanks. I'm not sure about the Abrams but it has quite a bit less frontal hull armor than turret armor, so shooting through the front hull armor is most likely pretty plausible. Now most western tanks would probably rely on hull down positions whenever possible, which would mitigate the weaknesses of the hull armor anyways.
That man in that video really doesnt knows how apfsds works. That Animation where it just starts looking down instead of shattering as it would normally do was complete shit.
As good as these new tanks are I highly doubt we could ever get them in mass production these programs are just gonna get like a couple built and then just start down grading them to make production just a little easier Just my theory I don't intend to be correct but this is just my observation
Prob true, the newer tanks have high production cost. It’s no wonder that most new tanks in power modern militaries are iterations of a previous gen tank (like Abrams Sep V3, t-90m, Challenger 2, t-80bvm, and etc).
dude i dont know who made this video but apfsds rounds do not rotate on purpose wtf. You dont want those projectiles to rotate significantly at all because that would make the fins slosh in the air and create more resistance. Also wtf a leopard 2a6 can penetrate way more than 450mm xD
with your ai satelite idea what if we use that ,put a hoi4 player as the commander and he use these tanks to kill the other tanks just like it would be a normal hoi4 game
This thing will sadly never see production for Germany. Germany and France work togehter on a new Tank, so i highly doubt they will throw the money they spend already out of the window. It will be a nice concept design, nothing more. Maybe some countrys would be interested in buying this tank, but i dont see it.
I mean they atleast actually tested the active protection system not like shitty russia which uses VR instead of shooting their tanks to show how good it is
Ah yes, the 1980's barebones leo2a4 with untrained crews and no infantry cover are certainly a good measure for the effectiveness of a tank that has had 40 years of upgrades :)
@@TheArmise I'm sure my grandma could destroy an 80's tank with a javelin, when shown how to aim and fire, pajama or not, but sure, believe what you want lol
isnt war in Ukraine showed that all that fancy looking bodies with edgy cannons and stylish bumbers are just pieces of junk against a single $30k drone or missile. Still perfect for money loundering though
You could try working together with the frech if you want to, maybe Reinmetall didn't wan't to install the mobil Kitchen which the French without question wanted to add. For our Soldiers a day without a fresh baguette is a Day in Hell. What do you mean you wan't to install armour, into MY KITCHEN and Soldiers should behave and eat MRE's? NO, NO, COOPERATION with inhumane Germans.
The KF 51, Abrams X, and T 14 looks gangsta until the war thunder community arrives
the t-14 hasn't been gangsta since its creation
T-14 hella mid gotta be honest
T-14 uses the same engine (sla 16) that the German tiger tank used in ww2 😂
@@bad_pilot13official False, the Sla 16 was a failed engine prototype which was tested on a Tiger chassis.
IRL be like: Abrams, Leopard, T90 💪
Warthunder be like: M22 Locust 💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪
They say Panther soft and hard attacks are very high, and breakthrough stats are outstanding. With all modules maxed out the production costs will be very high though.
can’t wait to see that thing in Millennium Dawn
The thing with pre loading is, the round you have in the chamber might be the wrong one for your target (overkill or cant penetrate the target). But the Ladershutze general here should know that
That's why HEAT rounds became popular during the cold war. Good anti vehicle or personnel HE charge with great penetration (obviously ERA is a problem but Ukraine war proved ERA full of cardboard boxes exist 😂).
Lol
@@penzorphallos3199 let's say cardboard is "less effective" than standard ERA, I wonder why they chose this design 🧐
@@penzorphallos3199 Its not just ERA, but modern NERA (Chobham etc.) generally eats HEAT pretty well, which is why we returned to kinetic penetrators (APDSFS) for hard targets. Still kinda works as a general purpose round, but it might be inadequate against modern armor.
He sounds like hitler when he screamed lmao
1:05 lmao
Germany: Our most advanced tanks are the A7V and the Panther
Me: WHAT YEAR IS IT?
The AbramsX is probably a better platform, due to being lighter and it's features; having an ETC capable gun, anti-drone autocannon, better APS system, and AI assisted search-and-track fire control system.
But either is a major upgrade on past generation systems.
Also being a hybrid makes the AbramsX capabilities to be silent, low thermal and low fuel consumption. Stealth and logistics gamechanger.
But isnt Abrams X more of a test platform than anything else? The Panther however is a production series, so it would make sense it doesnt use all the crazy expensive experimental stuff
@@leontan3512 True, and such is certainly an advantage for the AbramsX, but the gas turbine of the Abrams' in service are quieter on the move, though the fuel consumption benefits of the X are certainly there, especially for the export market and as an upgrade package for the growing number of nations adopting the Abrams as a platform.
But the bigger game changers are what I listed, even if current ammunition doesn't support it, the plasma-based ignition of the AbramsX allows it to use more powerful and safer propellant charges - offering both higher velocities and lower chance of going up if struck by a round. It's actually properly able to handle drones and loitering munitions, it's APS is capable of dealing with top-attack ATGMs better than the KF51 can, and AI is a total game changer, given it's supposed to do active threat assessment, adding an extra layer to the hunter-killer systems NATO has used on tanks these last couple decades. On top of beign a networked system so your tank's AI is communicating with other networked systems too, so.... yeah. Given enough surveillance platforms in the network, be it satellite, drone, other tanks, etc, first-shot capabilities are massively enhanced.
Also potentially even hyper-accurate indirect fire capabilities with that AI assistance if it's networked, now that I think about it.
@@kehleaufgrossemstein The AbramsX is a technology demonstrator platform - it's a private venture by the manufacturer that basically has a bunch of upgrades they themselves have developed for it, and are offering in whole or in part to those who use the Abrams currently.
It's effectively a sales pitch of a prototype by GM rather than something the US asked to be developed. Upside is, it means that it's for sale for anyone who is running the Abrams - not just the US. So Australia, Poland, and the like could adopt the AbramsX if they were of the mind to spend money on it and got in contact with GM. Downside is... it's not likely to be adopted into service as-is by anyone, because historically technology demonstrators tend to stay just that, with sometimes subcomponents making it into adoption but rarely the entire set of upgrades.
@@kehleaufgrossemstein yes.
0:47 Looks like he spinned the video, perfect timing
1:03 I almost had a heart attack xd
You should look into 6th gen fighter programs
From what I understand, the abrams x is meant as a concept and tech demonstrator rather than a serious option to replace the abrams. I’m pretty sure the Panther is actually a serious full tank and can be sold to other countries though it’s up in the air wether Germany will get any since they’ve been developing a new tank with the French. Personally I’d rather see the Panther be the new German tank but we’ll have to see what the Franco-German tank looks like.
i think the Franco-German tank is a bit to far away to be really compared the Phanter is more of a intemediate between the 2
@@cia5649 Personally I’d rather settle for a worse tank than work with the French.
@@Filthy_Freeaboo based
@Wittman 131 who gives a shi.t about what you think
Thought the abrams x was just a refit of the current one everything is the same exept the armour, optics and the AI controlled mg on the top
Nobody left to operate it, entire german army was fired for being too pro german
very clever, whats next? "bro you cant even say hitler or you get sent to the labour camps in germany!!!! jorjorwell literally1894!!!!". where do you even get your information on germany you dunce, or do you jsut straight up imagine a fictional germany where the german military is forced to fight using teddy bears and candy canes?
Germany when they come out with the new panther:
Man has never seen a formula 1 steering wheel in his life this things go over 100kmh.
WT players assemble for future remote control tanks
The steering wheels moves because the wheel has space to move aswell. A tank track wont move at all no matter what you do to it even if you shoot it with an artillery round it will not jank the steering wheel inside the tank.
at 0:46 the transition was so good lmao
Bro his Nationalism is god tier, he ignores all the points and still makes it to Germany is Best
I don't see Germany taking on the Panther.
120mm smoothbore is the NATO standard, for now at least. So much so that Britain is abandoning it's Rifled cannon for comparability with the rest of NATO.
Panther seems more likely to be an export only model.
Can't wait for someone to leak the designs to warthunder
Fun fact. The panther was considered a conservative evolution and not a revolution by a leader of one of geemanies defense companies.
That's cool and all, but my country still uses the M-84 Yugo tank that is basically just an upgraded t-72💀
I’m from the US. We’d love to talk with your government about buying our tanks.
@@Filthy_Freeaboo Ukraine would buy a lot.
in my opinion the market situation for this tank is suboptimal. Germany and France won't buy it as they are working on their different combat system. UK just recently anounced the modernization of their Challengers. Spain and Portugal don't have the money. Poland, a major Arms buyer as of late, signed a deal to buy a ton of Corean K2 tanks. I am unshure on how much money Ukraine will have. As potential buyers I see mainly golf states (might be difficult with german foreign ministry regulations on arms sales)... Perhaps India, Turkey or Italy if they could afford it.
We are probably talking a few hundred tanks sold, not thousands like they did with the Leopard
KMW is so far behind in production that many buyers left the leopard2 because they don't want to wait, e.g. that's why Poland chose Korean tanks! The Hungarian army also ordered the leopard2A7+ in 2018, not a single piece has been delivered, perhaps the first copies will arrive in December! (They are also waiting for PZH2000s from KMW, they could not even deliver all of them, about 10 are still in production, which ties up part of the leopard2 production capacities) Since the Hungarian order was before the war in Ukraine, they wanted to double the leopard2 order, to which KMW said that it could be completed by 2030, as far as I know, they are already negotiating the KF51 with Rheinmetall (the KF41 is already in service in Hungary). Italy, the Czech Republic and Slovakia also chose the leopard2, but they too will only wait until 2028-2029, the German army also needs tanks (they are also waiting for the leopard2), ... due to the slowness of the KMW, there is a market demand for the KF51 to! Don't forget, KMW manufactured more than three thousand leopard2s in 50 years, and as it became more complicated, it produces fewer and fewer of them, currently the maximum capacity is 2-3 units per month, if the production of other vehicles does not limit its capacity.
Not one tank,
we have the K51 Panther, KF51-U Panther, EMBT, Leopard 2 A-RC 3.0
I’m starting to believe Tommy that twitch chat is just little kids. They talk so much, yet say so little.
Yes German is really loving their cats
1:05 says everything that has something to do with german, said by me an Austrian
5:50 did i just see a panther turret on a tiger chasys????!?!??!
"German science is the best in the world!"
are... are we gonna talk about the towel?
One Tommykay video and my ads all in German 💀
7:12 that's not an abrams tommy, that's just a leo with extra armor bruhh
i hope tommy leads a division one day 🤞🏻
The satellite, AI auto aim wouldn't work...Because of satellite resolution issues (basically tanks still appearing as blobs and requiring humans to interpret data in slow real time)...Also the enemy would come up with tricks to mask their profiles which would cause AI confusion.
“Can I buy this” 😂
That Leopard 2 video didn’t actually say anything about what makes the leopard unique or better than previous leopard variants or any other tank or it’s actual capabilities at all. It was literally the most barebones basic normie tank video I’ve ever seen.
3:05
"yeah f you americans, german have better tanks"
*american military industrial complex in the background
"hmhmhmhmhmhm . . . *for now* "
"And they are actually real unlike the T-14"
Lmao wut
Isnt storing the ammo and the fuel at the very front of the tank kinda dangerous?
You can’t really put it anywhere else better.
Well front has the thickest armor so maybe thats why?🤔
@@BelkanMagic Not thick enough. A 3BM60/3BM59 or future 3BM69/3BM70 APFSDS round can slice through the upper and lower plates of pretty much every western tank.
@@comareborn8734 Oh really? I'd like you to point me to your sources where said rounds have been tested against the frontal armor of modern western tanks like the Leo 2A7, and M1A2 sepv3 and achieved penetrations. I'll wait
@@skdKitsune I don't want to start any argument cause i can't bother, but it's a well known fact that the hull of the Leopard has some pretty big weak spots, like many other tanks. I'm not sure about the Abrams but it has quite a bit less frontal hull armor than turret armor, so shooting through the front hull armor is most likely pretty plausible. Now most western tanks would probably rely on hull down positions whenever possible, which would mitigate the weaknesses of the hull armor anyways.
130mm cannon 😳😳🤯💦
That man in that video really doesnt knows how apfsds works.
That Animation where it just starts looking down instead of shattering as it would normally do was complete shit.
you mean the guy that tommy was reacting to?
@@ellidominusser1138 yes
im a kid and i want to work at heckler & koch should i stop hoping for that?
abrams x is a tech demonstrator not an mbt
It’s both
@@Filthy_Freeaboo no it isn't
@@Filthy_Freeaboo No. It's basically a moving platform for showing off new technologies, this will never be produced like that.
2:18 Every German
As good as these new tanks are I highly doubt we could ever get them in mass production these programs are just gonna get like a couple built and then just start down grading them to make production just a little easier
Just my theory I don't intend to be correct but this is just my observation
Prob true, the newer tanks have high production cost. It’s no wonder that most new tanks in power modern militaries are iterations of a previous gen tank (like Abrams Sep V3, t-90m, Challenger 2, t-80bvm, and etc).
they are not capable of producing even 100 leopards in 1 year of this at most they can produce about ten specimens
dude i dont know who made this video but apfsds rounds do not rotate on purpose wtf. You dont want those projectiles to rotate significantly at all because that would make the fins slosh in the air and create more resistance. Also wtf a leopard 2a6 can penetrate way more than 450mm xD
with your ai satelite idea what if we use that ,put a hoi4 player as the commander and he use these tanks to kill the other tanks just like it would be a normal hoi4 game
This thing will sadly never see production for Germany. Germany and France work togehter on a new Tank, so i highly doubt they will throw the money they spend already out of the window. It will be a nice concept design, nothing more. Maybe some countrys would be interested in buying this tank, but i dont see it.
I wanna see the new tiger tank modern mode
I mean they atleast actually tested the active protection system not like shitty russia which uses VR instead of shooting their tanks to show how good it is
13:01 was unnecessary ;(
When can we play the demo?
Ra-zing > ka-Pah!
biggest expert on the internet again :)
Can you do that type of tank reaction video for the Japanese Type 10 ?
Terminator style
i heard the US isnt going to make the Abram X bc they literally think it would be too OP lol so its just a idea right now
More likely that it is too costly to deploy and not worth to replace current equipment that's already good enough
Was wollen die amis😂neidisch 😂😂😂😂
it looks so adorable 😅 but pewpew are you dead?
I came when I saw this tank
tommy´s nationalism +10
Tanks are cool
Yes.
Wait till all these tank weebs find out about guns
It does not sound smart to give AI control of the newest tanks, as many worry about harmful AI🤷🏻♂️
We have a long way until Russia reaches the number 1000 for their next tank, the T1000
where do i buy one? they have a website? 🤡
Sincerely, I see nothing new, nothing that a tank from the 40 could not already did.
they look like the only task the designers were given is to explain where the billions of our tax money are going
The audacity to call in Panther tho
zyzz
Leopard 2 suck look to the turkish leopard 2 against EI.
Ah yes, the 1980's barebones leo2a4 with untrained crews and no infantry cover are certainly a good measure for the effectiveness of a tank that has had 40 years of upgrades :)
@@skdKitsune Against exhausted terrorists in pajamas :D
@@TheArmise I'm sure my grandma could destroy an 80's tank with a javelin, when shown how to aim and fire, pajama or not, but sure, believe what you want lol
isnt war in Ukraine showed that all that fancy looking bodies with edgy cannons and stylish bumbers are just pieces of junk against a single $30k drone or missile.
Still perfect for money loundering though
Tanks are still useful.
@@firstduckofwellington6889 of course they are useful in combat, but not cost-useful. 11-million-dollar tank spotted by UAV = dead tank.
very cool
du laberst zu viel!
Du kannst ein wenig arrogant wirken. Ersteindruck hier.
You could try working together with the frech if you want to, maybe Reinmetall didn't wan't to install the mobil Kitchen which the French without question wanted to add. For our Soldiers a day without a fresh baguette is a Day in Hell. What do you mean you wan't to install armour, into MY KITCHEN and Soldiers should behave and eat MRE's? NO, NO, COOPERATION with inhumane Germans.