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Hi what's up with the clunking sounds is it the swingarm pivot loose or bushings bearings worn out? I'm very impressed I hope this company actually happens and goes into production because I must have one. One other question are spare battery packs available? Hope to hear from you soon thanks bye.
@@AjCatanzaro with California banning the sales gasoline engines in 2035, off road recreational included, i think more people should really get on board with these things. im surprised one of the other manufacturers hasnt bought all the rights too Alta yet in efforts to make their own.
This is truly an amazing bike. It changes the game for us wheelchair users being it’s all electric, brakes are on the hands, no shifting. I hope to make enough money someday to own one!!
There used to be videos out with Doug Henry riding a modded bike. I don't know if you can still find any. He was one of the best pro's back in the late 90's and was a fan favorite (mine as well).
How you gonna stop? Also it would still take at least some functioning legs to manage balance and weight no? Regardless i wish you the best of luck and i hope you have fun when you do get one. Im sure you go thru enough challenges just in everyday life that this could be just another skill you would need to work thru
@@fishinnshootin689 This is one of the videos out of Doug Henry's adaptive modified bike. After watching this videos I can see the electric would be a much easier modify for ChronicallyChase🦽.
I had the joy and mind blowing experience of riding an Alta once and it changed everything for me. I couldn't believe how connected I felt with the bike and the trail I was riding. So if your a trail rider it's epic out in the woods!
I'm a trail rider and I can't wait to try out an electric dirt bike out there! And there will be no more concerns about noise irritating anyone, and no worries about air pollution for the tree huggers. Everyone wins!
Most of the time I charge using track power. I hadn't contacted this track before hand to set that up and had to bring my generator. Regardless I don't have an Alta to be green. It is more fun to ride than every other bike I have had which is a pretty long list.
I test road one at a demo day in the desert. I thought it handled really well. I wish it had a gear box and clutch like a gas bike. The potential to use e-bikes as a training tool for developing skills to race gas bikes is there. Private tracks on smaller areas of land with neighbors in close proximity is no longer an issue.
Pulled straight from google just to show the reason electric vehicles don't have gearboxes. By its design, an IC engine can only reliably spin up to a certain mark, around 7,000rpm for the average petrol-powered road car. They also only make useable and peak torque in a narrow rev band. Thus, a gearbox is used to vary the effective torque and speed as required by differing driving conditions. Clutch is pretty self explanatory as well.
Mark is a genius. I always looked forward to their emails showing how they designed this or that all through the build of these things. Too bad they couldn't make it...
@@kinotroikgames2818 bottom line is that they couldn't lower the price, and they needed muscle from a major brand like Harley to help them mass produce. I think they did a great job marketing. I wouldn't downplay redbull straight rhythm. They was a great marketing move. Also, they were at the desert 100 when i attended providing demo bikes.
Your dad's a lucky man they don't even make them anymore I was legit thinking of selling my 525 ktm and buying thus but can't get them anymore. Sucks this looks sick
Harley Davidson deliberately purchased them to put them out of business - they were getting too good and a complete threat (and too early) to the regular motorcycle industry.
@@secondfield5963 Harley davidson is struggling financially, it doesn't seem like they would buy something to put it out of business, but could be really slow to bring it back to market.
@@secondfield5963 ...why would Harley give two shits about a electric bike that was meant for offroad..? Not their market space...the bike failed because despite many people "thinking " this is a great idea..it wasnt...people ride 10-15 year old two strokes...just for the sound and smell..that's how much people really enjoy sound and smell and feeling..which this bike does not deliver on..plus..riding with no clutch definitely changes ones riding character....and...you gotta have a generator running all day just to go out to burn some laps...they should try market electric bikes to offload racers...they dont care for sound and would love the low end torque for the tight Bush..
@@rehepeks a lot of tracks have power you can charge off of. I wasn't able to get in touch with this track before I went but the local tracks around me have power I can use. Also I have my own track right next to my neighbors house and they don't mind one bit. The generator is annoying though. I plan to move to a battery bank to charge at tracks that don't have power.
Fuck that. Fuck cry babies that move in near tracks Fuck housing development corporations constantly building near and buying tracks. And fuck catering to either. We got a real fuckin problem with the "stoner immigration" shutting tracks thatve been in operation for 50+ years down, over knowingly moving in near a track and hearing distant echos of dirt bikes. Its a serious issue here these days and the city's fuckin creepin closer every day.
I rode one in 2017, what an amazing machine. I am not a good rider, I thought it was easier to hang because no clutch to worry about. Funny thing is that day was my first ever track day.
I gained a whole new perspective on these E bikes watching this. It looked like so much fun! Especially because with a fused wrist it’s quite difficult to squeeze a clutch. Thank you for the video AJ
Reminds me of my 1979 Can-Am 250 which had a huge assed muffler. So quiet, I could hear the wheel spin, chain slap, the whirring transmission, and the thump of the tires on hard impacts.
Yewwwww, welcome to the dark side! Love both of my Alta's. I'm faster on my MXR than on my 450 and can rider longer without arm pump. Handles like a dream, super smooth power, its just pure fun and easy to go fast on.
@@jaysmokey Stock suspension doesn't handle well. If you get it re-valved and have the suspension set right it handles better than any bike I have ridden. It doesn't jump weird. It is a little different to whip because there is no rotational inertia that a gas engine has but otherwise it flys the same. Once you get used to it there isn't much of a difference. The one thing I think it does best is handle in the turns. It does really well compared to the other bikes I have ridden. Producing batteries has an initial upfront environmental cost but over the lifetime of the bike it more than makes up for that, particularly if you charge it off of grid power which I mostly do.
@@jaysmokey sorry I meant off of grid power. Off-grid power would ideally be good but even using grid power is a lot less detrimental to a gas generator or running a gas bike.
@@jgdjgfdhgf Not trying to be argumentative. So what happens, say if we transition into this type of bike, when all of these batteries have overcome the upfront environmental cost and then expire and have to be disposed of? I know nothing about these bikes or other non combustion powered vehicles, but I know that we have plenty of environmentally damaging used up alkaline, NiCad and lithium batteries in our landfills now. Regardless of their impact one way or another and whether or they are faster or easier to ride etcetera ... I do not see me going to pro nationals any longer if I can't hear, and smell, the power plants that are burning fuel. It was hard enough to change to 4- strokes as a spectator. Having said that, I still enjoy going. Personally if I ever decide to start riding again, it will be a 2-stroke .... thats just me. (of course $ is involved there too)
I’m 65 and been in mx and off-road all my days, first never thought 4 strokes would take ove and now can’t believe electric bikes will eventually take their place! Wow! 🏆🏁
Seeing as Alta has been out of business for quite some time now and have sold some of their assets to BRP, I would not hold my breath for another Alta dirt bike. Although we know both Yamaha and Honda have an electric bike in the works, and who knows if KTM will improve on their E-bike. With big investments in both solid state batteries and even Tesla making big improvements on the lithium ion battery, its only a matter of time before we start seeing more electric bikes
Ktm shoulda bought them and moved their engineers to update they’re ebike. Would have been a better buy over gas gas. And they sold it cheap for what it was.
@@jgdjgfdhgf Sadly, yes they did. I was genuinely interested in Alta and was sad to see them go. The rear brake on the handlebar, nope, that's gotta go back where it belongs.
The Supercross track at Evansville motocross park is my favorite track of all time. I raced there hundreds of times since the 80s.Thank you for posting this video brings back many memories.
It's going to be great! No more concerns about noise from riding near homes or people. No more engine rebuilds, or at least not on short schedules. And tons of fun power!
Yes but the electric revolution (Green Deal) is about not being allowed to have any fun. The track in this video will soon be another Bill Gates Farm... or should I say Pharm....
Dude once this video showed in my feed, i had to know your opinion on this bike. So awesome to see you kill it on it in so little time. The rear brake on the bars would be insane!
I had the opportunity to ride one at NCMP demo. It was sweet. I would have purchased sad they didn't make the cut with Harley. Japan will have a interchangeable battery system soon I hope. Ktm free ride is only option in my mind now but not full mx suspension. Alta had it on right track....oh well
@@moto1594 technically heavier but it feels a lot lighter when you ride it. It's weight distribution/center of gravity and lack of rotational inertia makes it feel light.
The bike comes stock with a rear foot brake. Matt just swapped to a left-hand rear brake, which was an option. Some Alta owners have installed a left-hand rear brake, and retained the stock foot brake. There are instructions for both options on the Altaownersforum.com.
259 lbs , heavier than most dirt bikes... you would think it would be lighter without a huge metal engine, but the charged battery and electric motor are very heavy.
I predict 2023 will show us production EMX bikes. You learn how to jump electric with the power flat kind of like a 125. There’s no way to judge speed (no gears or noise really) so it makes you really good at timing. The hand brake is kind of awesome, but it got me in trouble a few times when instincts kicked in, so foot brake went on. My left hand is bad too. I’m going to fab some parts so I can run both though, it’s killer to slip the brake for hard pack corner traction. H8rs will hate, but I bought a KTM due to being in business still. Map 3 on the KTM would be perfect on this track, but it doesn’t have enough juice to clear that table-table. Any bigger of a track and it would be worthless until we can figure out how to overclock the motor. It’s flat at basically 40mph. Like being stuck in 3rd on a 250F. It’s about Map 2 Alta equivalent. They’re insanely fun. Volhand and Musquin ride them. I just had a full suspension job (needs it) for MX. Can’t wait to get back on (injured). I was without a gas bike for a few months and never missed them at all. I got Ryan Hughes on it and he had a blast 🤣
I think he's refering to noise. It attracts ppl who hatesirtbikers with this thing nobody would know you were on their trails or private track( track on private property)
@@briansewelloutdoors8404 You're not using a clutch 500 times during a moto/main which can contribute to arm pump along with fighting the bike, bad set up, griping the throttle too hard because you're not relaxed. One less thing so your forearms explode.
Would be nice having a real good e-bike... Imagine being able to put an mx track in the middle of town.. No noise complaints, no environment damage that will shut tracks down etc... Track could be open everyday if so... So many positives besides missing the engine noise and fire hazard from the batteries...
@SekaCity Would still need to get licenses and shit for a couple hundred dollars here in sweden and we have a riding test before you can buy ut and so on so no... I don´t think everyone would do it. Still a huge investment in time and money
The problem with electric is that they have to mine lithium to make the batteries, which they have to use gas or diesel powered machines to mine it so not only is it not good for the environment but it’s like fossil fuels, they will eventually run out of it. It’s also way to expensive which will actually limit the amount of people who ride dirt bikes because most people can’t afford them, there 4-6 thousand dollars more than a gas bike
The moment people let go of the idea that electric bikes are around because of emissions and rather start getting to grips with how rad the power is and how much fun the actually are then the world will be a happy place.
Too bad Alta had to shut their doors a few years ago. They had the most competitive dirtbike on the market, Everyone hates on the lack of exhaust sound. Anyone whos as raced RC cars can relate to the electric motor sound. Thanks AJ and your buddy letting you rip around on it.
@NoNoNiin Just push a button and get whichever "tuning" you want for the day, So much blah ....I can't do it and will never be onboard with it. I am sure it is fun to ride, but the shear sound of a bike giving everything it has when the throttle is wide open and the bike is being pushed ... is hair raising. Electric, not so much.
Does the lack of sound play tricks on your mind. I feel like the exhaust has engine noise give me a lot of feedback as far as how fast I am going and how everything is running, etc on my dirt bikes, street bike, cars and karts. Is it easy to whisky throttle as well?
Man I hope I can meet you at red bud next year.. I just lost my sister and watching all of your vids has been helping me out tremendously by keeping my mind off things
I think it needs a clutch, for torque control, and a foot brake. It needs to be a clean analog for the traditional MX bikes. First mod for me would be to move the rear brake to a pedal brake.
I have a stealth bomber, which is torquey so I can only imagine how fast an Alta is. If I can ever afford to, I will try to buy one. I am jealous. I hope you get one man!!! These electric bikes are so good, it is only a matter of time before we have more to choose from. Oh and there is such a thing as a clutch on an electric motor... they are putting them on electric trials bikes. Just imagine how good THAT would be on the Alta.
you're 100 percent right with the trottle control i have a eletric trials bike and going from a motorbike to the eletric trials bike the trottle is insane its like 1-100
On the other hand, people like what's familiar. We're in the habit of hearing the engines and that reminds us of the good times. I think we'd all get used to electrics and start to listen for other things, like being able to hear what the riders are saying as they ride. Imagine hearing what Friese and Peick were saying to each other :)
@@Prawjjek Reading your comment after watching AJ charge the bike with a gas-powered compressor made me laugh a little. If you charge your bike with a gas-powered compressor, are you really saving money on gas?
@@loopduplicate There is already a down-hill bike for those who want motocross without engine sound. It's already invented, and it's way cheaper. And doesn't even require a charge. Alta didn't go bancrupt because people liked the idea so much.
Need to have a clutch and a rear foot brake..seems like it would really pump the throttle arm having to modulate in the air so much..maybe a free floating throttle grip with adjustable tension to smooth out the twitchiness? Adjustable throttle proportioning?
It sucks that alta went under. Their deal with HD would have kept it going. There was a public funding request but fell through. I was set to buy one before they went under. Parts availability is the real concern. The exr is the same bike but with light I think. Would have been cool to have such a versatile bike. I cant start my 2 stroke or 450 without fear of pissing someone off.
@@wesleyvandeurzen7199 true but i have concerns about their suspension components. On the more mtb style bikes they use off the shelf parts. Their mx bike has some no name 47mm forks. The alta had wp parts and the stark has kyb i think.
Alta still makes bikes? I thought it went to bankrupcy? Could I buy it? How much? What about guarantee? They sell bike in Europe? In my country (and I think in any country) we can't ride in the woods. Of course we do and if somebody complains it,s mostly because of the noise! Love 2strokes but this think it,s perfect for forrest,woods. How long the battery lasts? Mean miles in hard terrain not really fast speed (no motocross) mostly enduro ,hard enduro steep uphills , long descents, mud, etc.
That was a great review ! It covered all the things i care about (both in engaging discussions and in the "on point" video of challenging track conditions). And i really like what i saw. I want one ! I guess in 5 years battery life is a nonnissue. Driv to track in yur tesla pickup, supercharge the bike between motoa drom the truck. No more generators 👍. Good job guys 😁
@@AjCatanzaro Do you know that in case of an e-car only the production of the battery uses as much energy as an average car running average miles uses in 8 years? The same energy is enough to run about 200.000 km, that's arround 125.000 miles, with a small gas-powered car. That all without the e-car having moved for one single inch. Surely you've heard about the problems of the extraction of the needed lithium and cobalt for nature and people. The politicans like to keep silence about these probs cause the only big advantage of e-mobility is it keeps the smoke out of our cities. The immens pollution caused by the energy production needed alone for the battery production is kept quiet about. All experts know hydrogen will be the future but it still will take some time to get it usable for everyone. Selling e-cars and bikes is big business but in ten years they will tell us we all need hydrogen cars. So to me all of this e-stuff is no good idea at all.
@@mxrider4222 It won't. Not in real world usage. Working with some Zero bikes and E-scooters, you can be sure that present battery tech does not hold up to it's promises in most cases. In 15 years, who knows. But like you wrote, EV industry has allot of back stage issues that people like to ignore.
@@mxrider4222 Your numbers would be spot on, if you're comparing an electric Hummer battery to a Fiat 500 ICE car. Once they start going, the electric Hummer gets somewhere around 75+ MPGe, compared to a Fiat 500 getting 28/33 MPG. Oh, and that electric Hummer battery will last for over half a million miles with no significant maintenance, unlike the Fiat 500 with which you'd be lucky to last 200k without serious engine work.
125 without any doubt. You'll learn to shift, to use the clutch, to take the speed with you through the turns.. Perfect to learn riding, low weight and LOTS of fun with it!
Man I really dont want electrics to take over but I remember feeling the same about 4 strokes and now a screaming 85 somehow annoys me. Dang Im officially old.
Your not the only one that doesn’t want electric bikes. There isn’t gonna be the same adrenaline rush when you get the holeshot because everything will be quiet and you won’t have faster people panic reving you
@@601braap2 the fact that they are quiet increases all of your other senses. You can literally hear the bikes knobs slapping the ground on the Alta. Def do not discount the experience. It's amazing
this bike is so freaking awesome and one of the fastest MX bike i have ever been on. I wish KTM or any of the Japanese manufactures would have bought it and made it even better and lighter.My ONLY complaint was the weight.
The noises your bike makes when there’s no motor, thump thump thump over those whoops was gnarly sounding but I know it’s the normal. I love this bike, hopefully as we get more of these from different manufacturers there’ll be more tracks in county city area cause it won’t be as loud hard to argue there not the future I see guys smile like the first time they got on a 2 stroke when they ride these!
I shouldn't say this because it's an invention idea, but they should have adjustable reverse polarity depending on how much you pull back the throttle (twist the throttle backwards and it gives more engine braking or less coast)
No such thing as truly clean energy, electricity is in most cases 'cleaner' because even if that power comes from fossil fuels it's more a more efficient way of delivering power compared to a mechanical transmission in most circumstances. It's a non issue with bikes as they are absolutely tiny portion of energy consumption. A "dirty" motorbike is still a much better form of transport for the environment than just about any car. The only real environmental benefit is air quality but aside from old 2 strokes near an urban area this is only minor as well. The tech is cool though.
An Alta rep came to our dealership right before they shut down with 4 demo bikes. They’re a lot of fun but I still prefer the gas motors. Their super moto model was a blast to ride. It’s kind of hard to get used to at first with no shifter, clutch or engine braking. One of our mechanics that lost his left arm in a dirt bike accident and liked the no clutch thing bought one and had tons of issues with the batteries and with no real tech support out there right now, he sold it and just stuck with his husky and Ktm’s with a rekluse. So for me, it’s kind of like a boat. I want my friends to have one so I can enjoy it but I don’t want to buy one lol. Maybe one day, but not yet.
That track looked horrible! I hate tracks like that, it's like riding on pavement with a slippery layer of dust, and very limited traction. Obviously whoever operates that place does not maintain the track surface at all.
a few tracks in my country are down to openning a couple of times a year because of noise levels and complaints to the council.with these you could ride every day.not a fan of them but sometimes ya just wanna go riding and these things are the answer
I'm getting a 3000 w I love them you don't have to worry about shifting you can feather the back brake to wheelie but you got to cut the wire and you can hold on tight
@@AjCatanzaro i think it would be amazing then you would really be able to judge the power of it, im not saying it wouldn't be powerful at all but a nice loamy track would have a little bit of drag to kind of hold you back?
I just can’t get into ripping around on what sounds like a Barbie Jeep. Much respect to the makers I’m sure it’s amazing but it’s going to be like sex with a condom on
Imagine having a electric pro category in addition to the AMAs 250 and 450 series one day. Hearing the Riders shout and making noises on TV while battling mid-Moto xDD
Perfect review ,i live near a forest but i wont ride in their (others do ) for noise issues ..this if i could find ,afford ,would fit the bill ,i always worry about longevity replacement parts etc ..a petrol bike for some of us is expensive to repair but with enough research most of us can fix most things ,these electric bikes on the other hand, wont have a large spares or used parts web site to look into (well at least i dont think so ) that may change if alta sell enough of them ..so that scares me a little .. My sons first bike was a gas gas electric bike and the batteries new were seriously expensive but it was a good bike for him to learn on ..
As Alta is over and out they won't ever 'sell enough of them'. So I got no idea how long any spare parts will be available. Ok, if once there will be no longer any parts to get and some bikes won't be to fix anymore there will be used spare parts again... But to me that wouldn't be a base to buy on a bike for sure. Never heard of a GasGas e-bike, can you tell about?
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Hi what's up with the clunking sounds is it the swingarm pivot loose or bushings bearings worn out? I'm very impressed I hope this company actually happens and goes into production because I must have one. One other question are spare battery packs available? Hope to hear from you soon thanks bye.
Awesome
It bums me out with how many people hated on them cause of the sound. The potential to have tracks anywhere would be huge for the moto community.
Yes, just many close-minded people out there. Electric bikes will be nothing but good for the sport
@@AjCatanzaro with California banning the sales gasoline engines in 2035, off road recreational included, i think more people should really get on board with these things. im surprised one of the other manufacturers hasnt bought all the rights too Alta yet in efforts to make their own.
@@OnTheMountain i thought that honda did?
Agree
@@OnTheMountain what people really should do is stop these inferior tyrants in government from destroying civilization. That's all they're good at.
This is truly an amazing bike. It changes the game for us wheelchair users being it’s all electric, brakes are on the hands, no shifting. I hope to make enough money someday to own one!!
There used to be videos out with Doug Henry riding a modded bike. I don't know if you can still find any. He was one of the best pro's back in the late 90's and was a fan favorite (mine as well).
How you gonna stop? Also it would still take at least some functioning legs to manage balance and weight no? Regardless i wish you the best of luck and i hope you have fun when you do get one. Im sure you go thru enough challenges just in everyday life that this could be just another skill you would need to work thru
@@fishinnshootin689 This is one of the videos out of Doug Henry's adaptive modified bike. After watching this videos I can see the electric would be a much easier modify for ChronicallyChase🦽.
Have you seen the movie boogie nights???? Theres always a way..😉
I can't imagine sitting down on a dirt bike 100% of the time.
So much potential. You could put tracks in city locations. It really could help build interest in riding dirt bikes.
This is what I keep saying!
Too bad they went out of business
@@wyatthanlon5263 yup
Except for all the dust
Yes, "potential" energy is correct.
Finally a video of an Alta ridden by a real Supercross rider. Doing easy-to-follow testing.
This is the best commercial I've ever seen for Alta motorcycle, I want one
Josh Hill has some amazing videos. Big air!
I had the joy and mind blowing experience of riding an Alta once and it changed everything for me. I couldn't believe how connected I felt with the bike and the trail I was riding. So if your a trail rider it's epic out in the woods!
I'm a trail rider and I can't wait to try out an electric dirt bike out there! And there will be no more concerns about noise irritating anyone, and no worries about air pollution for the tree huggers. Everyone wins!
@@trevorjameson3213 they'll still limit electrics because of the damage they do to the terrain
I bet it's epic until it dies and you get passed by a 250 smoker. I'll stick to mixing gas and riding all day.
I'd be making engine noises inside helmet.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I do.
🤣😂😂
They should add a sound system with a 2 or 4 stroke switch. BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPP!!!
Lmao
The greatest irony about electric MX bikes is having to use a gas generator to charge it.
Most of the time I charge using track power. I hadn't contacted this track before hand to set that up and had to bring my generator. Regardless I don't have an Alta to be green. It is more fun to ride than every other bike I have had which is a pretty long list.
But it's that instant torque I think that people are after
The irony that the generator uses liquid not gas
@@janeblogs324 🤣🤣 True
blogs what liquid does it use?
I test road one at a demo day in the desert. I thought it handled really well. I wish it had a gear box and clutch like a gas bike. The potential to use e-bikes as a training tool for developing skills to race gas bikes is there. Private tracks on smaller areas of land with neighbors in close proximity is no longer an issue.
@Governor of Galicia yeah buddy. Train you to get outta c class.
@Governor of Galicia why so mad? 😓
Pulled straight from google just to show the reason electric vehicles don't have gearboxes.
By its design, an IC engine can only reliably spin up to a certain mark, around 7,000rpm for the average petrol-powered road car. They also only make useable and peak torque in a narrow rev band. Thus, a gearbox is used to vary the effective torque and speed as required by differing driving conditions.
Clutch is pretty self explanatory as well.
@@klj2382 who's mad?
Mark is a genius. I always looked forward to their emails showing how they designed this or that all through the build of these things. Too bad they couldn't make it...
Too bad Harley pulled the deal and they went out of business, sick company
Ya fuck Harley for doing them dirty
With how many units they sold it makes sense. Their marketing was garbage they thought red bull straight rhythm was enough lol
@@kinotroikgames2818 bottom line is that they couldn't lower the price, and they needed muscle from a major brand like Harley to help them mass produce. I think they did a great job marketing. I wouldn't downplay redbull straight rhythm. They was a great marketing move. Also, they were at the desert 100 when i attended providing demo bikes.
Harley is having their own financial issues and it's to bad because this bike looks awesome
Thank you for the training class I was 982 and you really Taught me a lot
Great vid, thanks for posting! My '18 Alta MXR is also, officially the most fun dirt bike I've ever ridden, Lol.
My dad has one and it is the funnest bike I’ve ever ridden and it corners better then anything else I have ridden
Your dad's a lucky man they don't even make them anymore I was legit thinking of selling my 525 ktm and buying thus but can't get them anymore. Sucks this looks sick
That map4 looks to me like a very expensive and painful trip to the hospital.
Fun but terrifying at the same time.
Peace
Quite an endorsement. Too bad Alta went under. It seems like they were on to something. Josh Hill has done some amazing things on this thing.
Harley Davidson deliberately purchased them to put them out of business - they were getting too good and a complete threat (and too early) to the regular motorcycle industry.
@@secondfield5963 Harley davidson is struggling financially, it doesn't seem like they would buy something to put it out of business, but could be really slow to bring it back to market.
@@secondfield5963 ...why would Harley give two shits about a electric bike that was meant for offroad..? Not their market space...the bike failed because despite many people "thinking " this is a great idea..it wasnt...people ride 10-15 year old two strokes...just for the sound and smell..that's how much people really enjoy sound and smell and feeling..which this bike does not deliver on..plus..riding with no clutch definitely changes ones riding character....and...you gotta have a generator running all day just to go out to burn some laps...they should try market electric bikes to offload racers...they dont care for sound and would love the low end torque for the tight Bush..
@@justinwaite26 I too traverse the tight bush
@@markme4 LOL
Well, this would stop the noise complaints a lot of tracks get lol
Could have a track literally anywhere!
@@AjCatanzaro people around e-bike`s track will say "it`s lot of dust from there, but not any sound....what going on?"
If you keep charging it on a generator then whats the difference lol
@@rehepeks a lot of tracks have power you can charge off of. I wasn't able to get in touch with this track before I went but the local tracks around me have power I can use. Also I have my own track right next to my neighbors house and they don't mind one bit. The generator is annoying though. I plan to move to a battery bank to charge at tracks that don't have power.
Fuck that.
Fuck cry babies that move in near tracks
Fuck housing development corporations constantly building near and buying tracks.
And fuck catering to either.
We got a real fuckin problem with the "stoner immigration" shutting tracks thatve been in operation for 50+ years down, over knowingly moving in near a track and hearing distant echos of dirt bikes.
Its a serious issue here these days and the city's fuckin creepin closer every day.
I rode one in 2017, what an amazing machine. I am not a good rider, I thought it was easier to hang because no clutch to worry about. Funny thing is that day was my first ever track day.
I gained a whole new perspective on these E bikes watching this. It looked like so much fun! Especially because with a fused wrist it’s quite difficult to squeeze a clutch. Thank you for the video AJ
Reminds me of my 1979 Can-Am 250 which had a huge assed muffler. So quiet, I could hear the wheel spin, chain slap, the whirring transmission, and the thump of the tires on hard impacts.
Yewwwww, welcome to the dark side! Love both of my Alta's. I'm faster on my MXR than on my 450 and can rider longer without arm pump. Handles like a dream, super smooth power, its just pure fun and easy to go fast on.
@@jaysmokey Stock suspension doesn't handle well. If you get it re-valved and have the suspension set right it handles better than any bike I have ridden. It doesn't jump weird. It is a little different to whip because there is no rotational inertia that a gas engine has but otherwise it flys the same. Once you get used to it there isn't much of a difference. The one thing I think it does best is handle in the turns. It does really well compared to the other bikes I have ridden. Producing batteries has an initial upfront environmental cost but over the lifetime of the bike it more than makes up for that, particularly if you charge it off of grid power which I mostly do.
@@jaysmokey sorry I meant off of grid power. Off-grid power would ideally be good but even using grid power is a lot less detrimental to a gas generator or running a gas bike.
Add a normal clutch and standard footbreak, and your laughing. ..😆😆
@@jgdjgfdhgf Not trying to be argumentative. So what happens, say if we transition into this type of bike, when all of these batteries have overcome the upfront environmental cost and then expire and have to be disposed of? I know nothing about these bikes or other non combustion powered vehicles, but I know that we have plenty of environmentally damaging used up alkaline, NiCad and lithium batteries in our landfills now. Regardless of their impact one way or another and whether or they are faster or easier to ride etcetera ... I do not see me going to pro nationals any longer if I can't hear, and smell, the power plants that are burning fuel. It was hard enough to change to 4- strokes as a spectator. Having said that, I still enjoy going. Personally if I ever decide to start riding again, it will be a 2-stroke .... thats just me. (of course $ is involved there too)
willing to sell?😂
Great job AJ.. Thnx to your buddy for letting us see u on one. Looked fantastic... ✌
I’m 65 and been in mx and off-road all my days, first never thought 4 strokes would take ove and now can’t believe electric bikes will eventually take their place! Wow! 🏆🏁
Seeing as Alta has been out of business for quite some time now and have sold some of their assets to BRP, I would not hold my breath for another Alta dirt bike. Although we know both Yamaha and Honda have an electric bike in the works, and who knows if KTM will improve on their E-bike. With big investments in both solid state batteries and even Tesla making big improvements on the lithium ion battery, its only a matter of time before we start seeing more electric bikes
Ktm shoulda bought them and moved their engineers to update they’re ebike. Would have been a better buy over gas gas. And they sold it cheap for what it was.
@@keystonerider1308 KTM tried to buy Alta but there was legal issues with Harley
@@jgdjgfdhgf Harley will kill Alta just like they killed Buell.
@@450kman they already did unfortunately
@@jgdjgfdhgf Sadly, yes they did. I was genuinely interested in Alta and was sad to see them go. The rear brake on the handlebar, nope, that's gotta go back where it belongs.
2 turns in.. I need one haha hell ya
Yep I need one too.
The Supercross track at Evansville motocross park is my favorite track of all time. I raced there hundreds of times since the 80s.Thank you for posting this video brings back many memories.
Kids in 2040 explaining how they went through the whoops: “Ziiiiingdingdingding”
lmfao
“I was all “zzzzzzing ing ing zzzing ing ing ing ziiiiiiiiiing” and then I was like “zzzzzzzzt zzzzzzzzzzzttttt!”
I’ll still be on my smoker
Bro killed me!
I will be that mean old man talkin about back in the day how we mix the gas before we whoop the ass.
I love how he just sends a huge quad in the middle of a sentence
That was awesome! Especially seeing and hearing a very experienced rider giddy over riding a “new” type bike!
The funniest part was when we were watching the video that Matt took, we could hear every oops, whoa and laugh you did.
Haha, that was funny for me to watch the footage back. Didn’t realize at the time that you could hear me
This makes me happy that when the electric revolution comes, we'll still have fun. Isn't that what motorcycles are all about, having fun?!
It's going to be great! No more concerns about noise from riding near homes or people. No more engine rebuilds, or at least not on short schedules. And tons of fun power!
Yes but the electric revolution (Green Deal) is about not being allowed to have any fun. The track in this video will soon be another Bill Gates Farm... or should I say Pharm....
@@trevorjameson3213 bad thing is they dont last bearly as long
Charge it up by burning petroleum tho 🤔
Bob Less petrol used tan in an actual combustion engine in vehicles.
That pop up on the woops looks so dope ! I picked that technique up yrs ago and now it's force of habit.
I love when combustion powered generators are used to charge electric powered vehicles.
Dude once this video showed in my feed, i had to know your opinion on this bike. So awesome to see you kill it on it in so little time. The rear brake on the bars would be insane!
Above my pay grade but I love watching you carve it up bro! The future is not all gloom and doom.
You’re gonna have to buy dude the new rear tire because you lit that one up.
9:10 Sick Attack Position for the kid on the 50
I had the opportunity to ride one at NCMP demo. It was sweet. I would have purchased sad they didn't make the cut with Harley. Japan will have a interchangeable battery system soon I hope. Ktm free ride is only option in my mind now but not full mx suspension. Alta had it on right track....oh well
The fact that this bike is so lighter, and has 0 vibrations at all makes it amazing!
I still would prefer the rear brake on my right foot tho
the bike is actually heavier
@@moto1594 technically heavier but it feels a lot lighter when you ride it. It's weight distribution/center of gravity and lack of rotational inertia makes it feel light.
The bike comes stock with a rear foot brake. Matt just swapped to a left-hand rear brake, which was an option. Some Alta owners have installed a left-hand rear brake, and retained the stock foot brake. There are instructions for both options on the Altaownersforum.com.
259 lbs , heavier than most dirt bikes... you would think it would be lighter without a huge metal engine, but the charged battery and electric motor are very heavy.
@@C5Tor oh didnt know that
I predict 2023 will show us production EMX bikes. You learn how to jump electric with the power flat kind of like a 125. There’s no way to judge speed (no gears or noise really) so it makes you really good at timing. The hand brake is kind of awesome, but it got me in trouble a few times when instincts kicked in, so foot brake went on. My left hand is bad too. I’m going to fab some parts so I can run both though, it’s killer to slip the brake for hard pack corner traction.
H8rs will hate, but I bought a KTM due to being in business still. Map 3 on the KTM would be perfect on this track, but it doesn’t have enough juice to clear that table-table. Any bigger of a track and it would be worthless until we can figure out how to overclock the motor. It’s flat at basically 40mph. Like being stuck in 3rd on a 250F. It’s about Map 2 Alta equivalent. They’re insanely fun. Volhand and Musquin ride them. I just had a full suspension job (needs it) for MX. Can’t wait to get back on (injured). I was without a gas bike for a few months and never missed them at all. I got Ryan Hughes on it and he had a blast 🤣
Do you realize how many places I've been kicked out for riding? This would solve all those problems.
Exactly!
No because majority of us dont know you lol
I think he's refering to noise. It attracts ppl who hatesirtbikers with this thing nobody would know you were on their trails or private track( track on private property)
Word. Dirt bikes are so obnoxiously loud. Imagine riding an electric one and still being able to hear the birds.
@@JamesFaction But then you wouldn't hear the 2 stroke goodness
Show us what you do on the 450 in comparison.
Thanks for sharing.
the concept is great, helps with noise complaints etc. I would prefer the rear brake in the traditional location...
Agreed...it was also help with arm pump.
Why not set it up for both locations while you are at it :D
Yes, the rear brake should definitely be at the right foot. Provides so much better control in my opinion.
@@Peanutdenver how would it help with arm pump still a throttle
@@briansewelloutdoors8404 You're not using a clutch 500 times during a moto/main which can contribute to arm pump along with fighting the bike, bad set up, griping the throttle too hard because you're not relaxed. One less thing so your forearms explode.
Sure do miss the sound of a good running, cleanly jetted or mapped Internal combustion engine though!
lol, we've come full circle to having to put a baseball card flapping on the spokes again.
🤣
PA native here. LOVE evansville. great place. their XC course is nice too.
Would be nice having a real good e-bike... Imagine being able to put an mx track in the middle of town.. No noise complaints, no environment damage that will shut tracks down etc... Track could be open everyday if so... So many positives besides missing the engine noise and fire hazard from the batteries...
@SekaCity Would still need to get licenses and shit for a couple hundred dollars here in sweden and we have a riding test before you can buy ut and so on so no... I don´t think everyone would do it. Still a huge investment in time and money
The problem with electric is that they have to mine lithium to make the batteries, which they have to use gas or diesel powered machines to mine it so not only is it not good for the environment but it’s like fossil fuels, they will eventually run out of it. It’s also way to expensive which will actually limit the amount of people who ride dirt bikes because most people can’t afford them, there 4-6 thousand dollars more than a gas bike
if you cant find one maybe look at a SurRon... then upgrade the battery and controller and its not a 450 but eats every 125 in its path
The moment people let go of the idea that electric bikes are around because of emissions and rather start getting to grips with how rad the power is and how much fun the actually are then the world will be a happy place.
So cool man. Thanks for the vid. Really makes this bike come alive in the review.
Too bad Alta had to shut their doors a few years ago. They had the most competitive dirtbike on the market, Everyone hates on the lack of exhaust sound. Anyone whos as raced RC cars can relate to the electric motor sound. Thanks AJ and your buddy letting you rip around on it.
Yeah totally with you on this. I am a petrolhead that loves electric race stuff....because it is exciting, easy to work on, and just plain fun
@NoNoNiin Just push a button and get whichever "tuning" you want for the day, So much blah ....I can't do it and will never be onboard with it. I am sure it is fun to ride, but the shear sound of a bike giving everything it has when the throttle is wide open and the bike is being pushed ... is hair raising. Electric, not so much.
Does the lack of sound play tricks on your mind. I feel like the exhaust has engine noise give me a lot of feedback as far as how fast I am going and how everything is running, etc on my dirt bikes, street bike, cars and karts. Is it easy to whisky throttle as well?
I thoroughly enjoyed watching the whole video. If i had one of these i could have a secret mx track in the forest and nobody would know ;).
Man I hope I can meet you at red bud next year.. I just lost my sister and watching all of your vids has been helping me out tremendously by keeping my mind off things
It's crazy to hear the tires making contact with the ground and the bike just absorbing bumps rather than BRAAAAPPPPPAPPPAPP
I think it needs a clutch, for torque control, and a foot brake. It needs to be a clean analog for the traditional MX bikes. First mod for me would be to move the rear brake to a pedal brake.
I have a stealth bomber, which is torquey so I can only imagine how fast an Alta is. If I can ever afford to, I will try to buy one. I am jealous. I hope you get one man!!! These electric bikes are so good, it is only a matter of time before we have more to choose from. Oh and there is such a thing as a clutch on an electric motor... they are putting them on electric trials bikes. Just imagine how good THAT would be on the Alta.
@God sees all!!! not for changing gears... for throttle modulation.
Aj is probably realizing this is what he might have to be riding one day. And the future seems to be looking pretty good!
The atmosphere was electric watching this
you're 100 percent right with the trottle control i have a eletric trials bike and going from a motorbike to the eletric trials bike the trottle is insane its like 1-100
interesting, but one of the reasons why we love motocross is the sounds of the engines)
Your right about that!
On the other hand, people like what's familiar. We're in the habit of hearing the engines and that reminds us of the good times. I think we'd all get used to electrics and start to listen for other things, like being able to hear what the riders are saying as they ride. Imagine hearing what Friese and Peick were saying to each other :)
It’s all about the no gas for me. Easy to spend a lot of money on gas. Especially when you own a 2-stroke😂
@@Prawjjek Reading your comment after watching AJ charge the bike with a gas-powered compressor made me laugh a little. If you charge your bike with a gas-powered compressor, are you really saving money on gas?
@@loopduplicate There is already a down-hill bike for those who want motocross without engine sound. It's already invented, and it's way cheaper. And doesn't even require a charge. Alta didn't go bancrupt because people liked the idea so much.
If I would do any modifications or make a version 2, I would add a normal back brake and normal front brake and no lever by the clutch.
Comes stock that way. I modified to have a hand brake
Need to have a clutch and a rear foot brake..seems like it would really pump the throttle arm having to modulate in the air so much..maybe a free floating throttle grip with adjustable tension to smooth out the twitchiness? Adjustable throttle proportioning?
It sucks that alta went under. Their deal with HD would have kept it going. There was a public funding request but fell through. I was set to buy one before they went under. Parts availability is the real concern. The exr is the same bike but with light I think. Would have been cool to have such a versatile bike. I cant start my 2 stroke or 450 without fear of pissing someone off.
You can get a surron light bee.
@@wesleyvandeurzen7199 true but i have concerns about their suspension components. On the more mtb style bikes they use off the shelf parts. Their mx bike has some no name 47mm forks. The alta had wp parts and the stark has kyb i think.
@@TheShift1313 True im also waiting for a good review of the surron storm bee that should have way better suspension but we shall see.
Alta still makes bikes? I thought it went to bankrupcy? Could I buy it? How much? What about guarantee? They sell bike in Europe? In my country (and I think in any country) we can't ride in the woods. Of course we do and if somebody complains it,s mostly because of the noise! Love 2strokes but this think it,s perfect for forrest,woods. How long the battery lasts? Mean miles in hard terrain not really fast speed (no motocross) mostly enduro ,hard enduro steep uphills , long descents, mud, etc.
I'll keep my two stroke and my four stroke thank you nothing like the smell of race gas I'm too old school to change
I’ve watched a few of your videos and loved them, but just subscribed because of your open mindedness of new tech. Thanks for being logical!
A smart person should always be open-minded and forward thinking! Thanks!
That was a great review ! It covered all the things i care about (both in engaging discussions and in the "on point" video of challenging track conditions). And i really like what i saw. I want one ! I guess in 5 years battery life is a nonnissue. Driv to track in yur tesla pickup, supercharge the bike between motoa drom the truck. No more generators 👍. Good job guys 😁
Thanks!! That’ll definitely be me in the Tesla pickup and Ebike. I’m ready! 😬
@@AjCatanzaro Do you know that in case of an e-car only the production of the battery uses as much energy as an average car running average miles uses in 8 years? The same energy is enough to run about 200.000 km, that's arround 125.000 miles, with a small gas-powered car. That all without the e-car having moved for one single inch. Surely you've heard about the problems of the extraction of the needed lithium and cobalt for nature and people. The politicans like to keep silence about these probs cause the only big advantage of e-mobility is it keeps the smoke out of our cities. The immens pollution caused by the energy production needed alone for the battery production is kept quiet about. All experts know hydrogen will be the future but it still will take some time to get it usable for everyone. Selling e-cars and bikes is big business but in ten years they will tell us we all need hydrogen cars. So to me all of this e-stuff is no good idea at all.
@@AjCatanzaro Btw I got no idea if any of these batteries will last for 8 years but I'm quite sure it never will run about 125.000 miles.
@@mxrider4222 It won't. Not in real world usage. Working with some Zero bikes and E-scooters, you can be sure that present battery tech does not hold up to it's promises in most cases. In 15 years, who knows. But like you wrote, EV industry has allot of back stage issues that people like to ignore.
@@mxrider4222 Your numbers would be spot on, if you're comparing an electric Hummer battery to a Fiat 500 ICE car.
Once they start going, the electric Hummer gets somewhere around 75+ MPGe, compared to a Fiat 500 getting 28/33 MPG.
Oh, and that electric Hummer battery will last for over half a million miles with no significant maintenance, unlike the Fiat 500 with which you'd be lucky to last 200k without serious engine work.
What would you recommend for an adult beginner, 125 2-stroke to learn the basics really well or 250 4-stroke for ease of use? Thanks!
125 without any doubt. You'll learn to shift, to use the clutch, to take the speed with you through the turns.. Perfect to learn riding, low weight and LOTS of fun with it!
Man I really dont want electrics to take over but I remember feeling the same about 4 strokes and now a screaming 85
somehow annoys me. Dang Im officially old.
Your not the only one that doesn’t want electric bikes. There isn’t gonna be the same adrenaline rush when you get the holeshot because everything will be quiet and you won’t have faster people panic reving you
@@601braap2 the fact that they are quiet increases all of your other senses. You can literally hear the bikes knobs slapping the ground on the Alta. Def do not discount the experience. It's amazing
Screaming 85's piss me off.. only because its usually a 12 year old kid coming past me like im not moving 🤣
@@Dannystephen111 that’s pretty accurate
Old? Yeah I'm 59 and haven't ridden my CR500 for almost 9 years, gotta pull it out before I forget how or it stops loving me for neglect!
So cool seeing you rip in mode 4. Awesome video man.
this bike is so freaking awesome and one of the fastest MX bike i have ever been on. I wish KTM or any of the Japanese manufactures would have bought it and made it even better and lighter.My ONLY complaint was the weight.
See, Harley-Davidson did a classic Harley move and killed the company. Fortnine did a video recently about it.
The noises your bike makes when there’s no motor, thump thump thump over those whoops was gnarly sounding but I know it’s the normal. I love this bike, hopefully as we get more of these from different manufacturers there’ll be more tracks in county city area cause it won’t be as loud hard to argue there not the future I see guys smile like the first time they got on a 2 stroke when they ride these!
Sounds like an rc car 😭
I built an electric bike, but I didn't have an extension chord long enough to get around Millville.
This way you can sneak up on the competition. They won't hear you coming until it's too late.
Wow!! Unreal. Good stuff!!
So sad that this company went bust. This technology needs to advance and be out there to make it accessable to clients eventually.
I think Honda and KTM are developing some electric bikes
@@Swaguley the current ktm cant really be compared to tha alta unfortunately
I shouldn't say this because it's an invention idea, but they should have adjustable reverse polarity depending on how much you pull back the throttle (twist the throttle backwards and it gives more engine braking or less coast)
I rode one. I've been riding dirt bikes for 51 years and it's hands down 10 time better than any bike I've ever ridden.
Be cool to see this e bike with some drone shots mixed in .
I prefer my 450 ..plus the no sound thing kinda kills it for me ..and electricity isn't clean energy either
No such thing as truly clean energy, electricity is in most cases 'cleaner' because even if that power comes from fossil fuels it's more a more efficient way of delivering power compared to a mechanical transmission in most circumstances. It's a non issue with bikes as they are absolutely tiny portion of energy consumption. A "dirty" motorbike is still a much better form of transport for the environment than just about any car.
The only real environmental benefit is air quality but aside from old 2 strokes near an urban area this is only minor as well.
The tech is cool though.
An Alta rep came to our dealership right before they shut down with 4 demo bikes. They’re a lot of fun but I still prefer the gas motors. Their super moto model was a blast to ride. It’s kind of hard to get used to at first with no shifter, clutch or engine braking. One of our mechanics that lost his left arm in a dirt bike accident and liked the no clutch thing bought one and had tons of issues with the batteries and with no real tech support out there right now, he sold it and just stuck with his husky and Ktm’s with a rekluse. So for me, it’s kind of like a boat. I want my friends to have one so I can enjoy it but I don’t want to buy one lol. Maybe one day, but not yet.
You should take the bike to a track that doesn’t have so much hard pack, the track doesn’t even look fun.
That track looked horrible! I hate tracks like that, it's like riding on pavement with a slippery layer of dust, and very limited traction. Obviously whoever operates that place does not maintain the track surface at all.
Why can't you race it in supercross?
it would be like racing a prius or tesla in the world of outlaws.
a few tracks in my country are down to openning a couple of times a year because of noise levels and complaints to the council.with these you could ride every day.not a fan of them but sometimes ya just wanna go riding and these things are the answer
As cool as this is I’m not ready to say goodbye to the smell of race gas.
just put race gas in your generator
Read the MSDS or SDS Sheet on any of the VP Race Fuels and you'll want to stop smelling it! Seriously.
@@therawlifefamily 🤣
Whoa first time an American has used gas in the correct context
@@janeblogs324 When will your country get to the moon? Decades to a century later with America’s help... whoa
I think the best deal would be have a couple of battery change outs like a batt drill. Snap another one in and go!
I'm getting a 3000 w I love them you don't have to worry about shifting you can feather the back brake to wheelie but you got to cut the wire and you can hold on tight
Welcome to electric, where you can do bike reviews while you ride.
Should see if he can take it to a loamy track for you mate should be mint to see it through ruts and stuff
Definitely!
@@AjCatanzaro i think it would be amazing then you would really be able to judge the power of it, im not saying it wouldn't be powerful at all but a nice loamy track would have a little bit of drag to kind of hold you back?
I just can’t get into ripping around on what sounds like a Barbie Jeep.
Much respect to the makers I’m sure it’s amazing but it’s going to be like sex with a condom on
When you feel the torque you'll be glad you have the condom on
WORSE than condom on. :(
Dosen’t look any safer than an standard motorcycle, don’t understand what you’re saying
Killer legit trial here.
Nice job guys!!
Great riding BTW.🤙😁
Imagine having a electric pro category in addition to the AMAs 250 and 450 series one day. Hearing the Riders shout and making noises on TV while battling mid-Moto xDD
AJ,
Glad you made this video, I wish you did this when they first came out, i totally would have got one!!!!
Elon, we need a Tesla MX bike. Thank you please!
Looking forward to being burned alive by my motorcycle
i love you can hear everything even him talking
It's awesome to see an electric motorbike being charged with a diesel generator 🤪🤪🤪
You could use off grid solar panels.
Free energy kind of thing.
Perfect review ,i live near a forest but i wont ride in their (others do ) for noise issues ..this if i could find ,afford ,would fit the bill ,i always worry about longevity replacement parts etc ..a petrol bike for some of us is expensive to repair but with enough research most of us can fix most things ,these electric bikes on the other hand, wont have a large spares or used parts web site to look into (well at least i dont think so ) that may change if alta sell enough of them ..so that scares me a little .. My sons first bike was a gas gas electric bike and the batteries new were seriously expensive but it was a good bike for him to learn on ..
As Alta is over and out they won't ever 'sell enough of them'. So I got no idea how long any spare parts will be available. Ok, if once there will be no longer any parts to get and some bikes won't be to fix anymore there will be used spare parts again... But to me that wouldn't be a base to buy on a bike for sure.
Never heard of a GasGas e-bike, can you tell about?