Holy moly - yes! I knew bits and pieces of this, but you put it together so smoothly that it all made sense! I knew Yoo Jae Suk was important, but I didn't know how important or why he is so well liked. I knew So JI and the Boys was innovative (didn't realize it was the clothes!) and I thought they were the first for go for Western music. I'd never heard of Sobangcha. Dang! Thanks soooooo much for the history lesson. You really have a knack for explaining. Thanks! 💜
I love this. I feel like this was needed right at this time to show us the roots. I made a different post but it poofed into the ether. Prob with my money (jk). It went: blah blah balabbity blah production value, asian entertainment portfolio, sending my tips to your editor and loving that the branding is still on point. Oh and i am AES stan (but rather sfan maybe? Cause I'm not a crazy stalker... or am i?) Haha! As usual this 'sfan' (I'm making this a thing now, try and stop me!) of AES is very appreciative of this essay. (I can never make it to the lives, but I do try, so there's this 😊) sorry its not more this time. But I think it can buy your dog (spell name?) a cpl biscuits 🐕
The Korean System has its problems, but I'm glad Daddy!Bang worked under it as an artist so that he could try to do things differently once he started BigHit.
Cudownie skonsolidowana wiedza z historii k-popu niezbędna każdemu do zrozumienia świata idoli. Brawo i widzę duże predyspozycje nauczycielskie w przekazywaniu wiedzy w prosty i zrozumiały sposób.
That was interesting. Thank you for the history lesson. Being relatively new to BTS knowing the history helps understand some of what they do (storylines, music style choices, the group's development, fans being the "8th member", etc.).
BTS shaped Kpop and then elevated it to a new level. I realised soon enough I like BTS not Kpop per se. BTS is my bias in music. Looking forward for the release of OT7. 아포방포
I know Seo Taiji as one of the first r&b in Korean music industry. Seo Taiji started with metal and combined both. They are also one of the first ones who talked about social issues etc. Seo Taiji's song: Classroom is epic etc. There are also so gs from him that were blacklisted or tgey demanded he would change the wording. Which he didn't. Don't forget that BTS was also very close to being blacklisted for songs like: Am I wrong etc. Also those variety shows only invited only certain people. Like BTS was really, really treated badly and very seldom invited on them. So they made their own shows etc. Seo Taiji was a pioneer. I know the ones you are talking about also tributed to the Korean music but, only for a limited group. Sorry, I know a lot about Seo Taiji etc. Got to know him through USAF. He was one of a kind. Just like BTS is. 😅 You can clearly see that I'm kind a biast towards Seo Taiji and BTS 😅 I don't mean it wrong. I have seen them both live in concert.😅 Both out of this world.
I often wonder, was bts puzzled by the topics they were covering about youth. I mean they barely even had a moment to experience such things. Did they consult with youth at the time? Did they use media? I see the overarching theme. But in the end I think they sold a romanticized version of their youth. The could have been? But were they able to actually understand what they were portraying. Id love to hear someone's take on this. Also: 100k *cough>
At their young age they were forced to experience such a hatred and ruthless world from the public and stablish music industry… we know many of the things they went through, but not everything. They have said it on their songs and their speachs , they couldn’t say everything to ARMY. What we know is not even the tenth of what they experienced, that’s why their achievements have even more significance and value. And that’s one of the reasons ARMYs love them and support them against all odds, because they deserve it, they have earned every cheer and respect they have.
Yes... they knew about youth... at least for a while. I know that at least Yoongi and RM were active in the underground & hip hop culture long before joining BTS. They were probably exposed to a lot of things even younger than they should have...which accounts for them being able to do most of the writing about it. I think a lot of what is in Domodachi by RM is a reflection of that, especially what is in the MV. Yoongi probably experienced the most because he actually left home to live and worked out of a small basement music studio. Sleeping on a mattress on the floor. He spent his nights on the streets trying to promote their and others' acts with fliers and tickets... often not getting paid what they were promised but instead given tickets. It's hard to eat tickets. At one point, he was living on just 1 to 2 dollars a day. RM had been performing underground while still in high school. While many other artists recognized how good he was... it didn't seem to be going anywhere. So he actually stopped performing for a bit, concentrating on his studies. That was when he got the call from Bang Si Hyuk. JHope and Jimin both got interested in dancing during middle school... attending after-school dance groups. JHope joined a street dance group and continued that through high school. For Jimin, although he was initially interested in street dancing, because of his after-school club... he got a taste of the stage and wanted more but there weren't the same kind of groups where he could learn more. He did attend a local dance studio but struggled to pay for classes. The closest he could get to the training he wanted was contemporary/modern dance offered at Busan's slightly school for the arts. So he applied there and was accepted as their top student. Once Big Hit found JHope they didn't yet have dorms. So they had him stay in his hometown and train at first and then went to Seoul where he joined RM & Suga in the dorms. Jimin auditioned for BH later and won against thousands in Busan. He then went Seoul. He joined V at the high school in Seoul so they could graduate. JK was there too but in middle school still. So all of them attended middle and high schools like any other youth. They didn't have tutoring like a lot of ent to school like any other kid. Jin was already in college for acting in Seoul when Big Hit recruited him. Jimin, V, & JK had to balance school and being trainees. Yoongi & Jin were balancing college & being trainees. I THINK RM had finished college before things got too crazy.... but I know he went later again as well. I'm pretty sure all of them ended up getting college degrees at some point. And keep in mind that even once they debuted they weren't that sheltered like some young artists are now. They lived wherever BSH could find a place for them. That often meant walking the streets to their dorm and back. Jin often drove the younger ones to school until they had enough staff for that.
@@TheBioExplorer Jimin's family was poor but he had drive and plans - so there is experience of that, too. When Hobi was signed they did not have a dance studio and that was why they let him train in his hometown - I'm not entirely sure that they even signed him at first to put him on stage as anything but a (background-)dancer before realizing they did not have the money for that. The same way they pushed Jin from "just" acting into becoming a trainee. You do not have to experience (alcohol) abuse for yourself - you can watch how it influences classmates and neighbors - especially in close communities - Like Taehyung's for example - or poor places. You just have to be aware.
I never heard of Big Bang until I found BTS. Through them, I watched other groups. To me, BB discography is limited, BTS became international within 3 years and just blew up globally. Their diverse music reach is massive. BB was more impactful domestically. BTS are legends in their own right. Their lore, their live performances, their individual talents, and their 10 year hard work.
Tens of millions of people were introduced to k-pop because of BTS (including me). Before that, k-pop was considered to be a niche genre. BTS was the first k-pop artist to achieve many achievements (breaking records, topping charts, selling out stadiums, winning awards in western music shows like BBMA, AMA, etc). They made it easier for other k-pop artists to make it in the western/overseas market and win awards/recognition there (k-pop catagory was created in western music award shows primarily due to BTS' success). Many k-pop idols (PSY, Rain, Shinhwa, Ailee, Jessi, Sunmi, Tiffany, CL, etc) have thanked BTS for it, they've said that BTS have achieved things that they could never do. Rhetorically, BTS kind of paved/eased the way for k-pop and South Korean culture. Even the former president of South Korea (Moon Jae-in) has admitted it. All of BTS received cultural merit awards from their government in 2018, because they're a pride of their country. They're one of the 3 things that represent the nation in the Olympics, while BTS are one of the 4 elites of South Korea. They are the most successful group of the 21st century and bring hundreds of thousands of tourists and billions of dollars to their country's economy. *Conclusion : BTS paved the way* 🎇
Somehow US centrism makes itself known. Sigh! You just pretended that classic styles and balladic styles were native to Korea - they are not - they come from Europe... via Japan and Japanese occupation... Nevermind that the government in this after-the -Korean-war era till 1987 also surpressed a lot of music - Shin Joong-hyun was imprisoned and tortured as he refused to write propaganda music for the dictator. Shin's son founded Sinawe - where Seo Taiji's career begins. Japan also has a trainee system - developed around the same time Motown did something similar in the US - which both did influence LSM. Why so much micromanaging? Because LSM's first signing went to prison for drug posession. I'm not so sure Sobangcha was that influencial - their dance was rather simple - according to DKDKTV's own vid "Kpop history in 20 minutes" (they are both Korean). There are reasons why Seo Taiji is called "president of culture" and he is asigned such a high honor by Korean's. I also found bby gang mag's video essays that includes K-pop history interesting. Maybe it was in "BTS vs. K-pop" but also in "you are wrong about K-pop" and "BTS: More than K-pop". But this absolutly *IS* interesting to add to South Korean music history! Thank you! 💜
Holy moly - yes! I knew bits and pieces of this, but you put it together so smoothly that it all made sense! I knew Yoo Jae Suk was important, but I didn't know how important or why he is so well liked. I knew So JI and the Boys was innovative (didn't realize it was the clothes!) and I thought they were the first for go for Western music. I'd never heard of Sobangcha. Dang! Thanks soooooo much for the history lesson. You really have a knack for explaining. Thanks! 💜
This is so informative, this should be viral across all media flatforms for future reference😊
So informative. Thank you.
Well done-you did a lot of great research!
Thank you for the awesome video ~ 😁
I love this. I feel like this was needed right at this time to show us the roots.
I made a different post but it poofed into the ether. Prob with my money (jk).
It went: blah blah balabbity blah production value, asian entertainment portfolio, sending my tips to your editor and loving that the branding is still on point. Oh and i am AES stan (but rather sfan maybe? Cause I'm not a crazy stalker... or am i?) Haha!
As usual this 'sfan' (I'm making this a thing now, try and stop me!) of AES is very appreciative of this essay.
(I can never make it to the lives, but I do try, so there's this 😊) sorry its not more this time. But I think it can buy your dog (spell name?) a cpl biscuits 🐕
Great information and presented in such a simple understandable manner. Thank you. It was really interesting 😊
I love your explations. It's very informative. Thank you.
💜💜💜🇵🇭😊
Thank you. So many new info, wow! You must have done a lot of research. Regarding BTS, I agree with all that you said.
Thank You. Very informative. 💜🇧🇷
Super informative!! Thank you!
Wow thank you for this deep dive into Korean entertanmint
The Korean System has its problems, but I'm glad Daddy!Bang worked under it as an artist so that he could try to do things differently once he started BigHit.
Thank you for the history lesson. Loved Running Man.
Thank you for this information, which I knew very little about.
Cudownie skonsolidowana wiedza z historii k-popu niezbędna każdemu do zrozumienia świata idoli. Brawo i widzę duże predyspozycje nauczycielskie w przekazywaniu wiedzy w prosty i zrozumiały sposób.
To prawda. Ona jest fantastyczna 😊
That was interesting. Thank you for the history lesson. Being relatively new to BTS knowing the history helps understand some of what they do (storylines, music style choices, the group's development, fans being the "8th member", etc.).
@9:28. They still subsidize it. To some extent.
Fasinating.
BTS shaped Kpop and then elevated it to a new level. I realised soon enough I like BTS not Kpop per se. BTS is my bias in music. Looking forward for the release of OT7. 아포방포
I know Seo Taiji as one of the first r&b in Korean music industry.
Seo Taiji started with metal and combined both.
They are also one of the first ones who talked about social issues etc.
Seo Taiji's song:
Classroom is epic etc.
There are also so gs from him that were blacklisted or tgey demanded he would change the wording.
Which he didn't.
Don't forget that BTS was also very close to being blacklisted for songs like: Am I wrong etc.
Also those variety shows only invited only certain people.
Like BTS was really, really treated badly and very seldom invited on them.
So they made their own shows etc.
Seo Taiji was a pioneer.
I know the ones you are talking about also tributed to the Korean music but, only for a limited group.
Sorry, I know a lot about Seo Taiji etc.
Got to know him through USAF.
He was one of a kind.
Just like BTS is.
😅
You can clearly see that I'm kind a biast towards Seo Taiji and BTS 😅
I don't mean it wrong.
I have seen them both live in concert.😅
Both out of this world.
I often wonder, was bts puzzled by the topics they were covering about youth. I mean they barely even had a moment to experience such things.
Did they consult with youth at the time? Did they use media? I see the overarching theme. But in the end I think they sold a romanticized version of their youth. The could have been?
But were they able to actually understand what they were portraying.
Id love to hear someone's take on this.
Also: 100k *cough>
@FaydraGirl I have wondered the same thing myself. Especially for JK.
At their young age they were forced to experience such a hatred and ruthless world from the public and stablish music industry… we know many of the things they went through, but not everything. They have said it on their songs and their speachs , they couldn’t say everything to ARMY. What we know is not even the tenth of what they experienced, that’s why their achievements have even more significance and value. And that’s one of the reasons ARMYs love them and support them against all odds, because they deserve it, they have earned every cheer and respect they have.
Yes... they knew about youth... at least for a while. I know that at least Yoongi and RM were active in the underground & hip hop culture long before joining BTS.
They were probably exposed to a lot of things even younger than they should have...which accounts for them being able to do most of the writing about it. I think a lot of what is in Domodachi by RM is a reflection of that, especially what is in the MV.
Yoongi probably experienced the most because he actually left home to live and worked out of a small basement music studio. Sleeping on a mattress on the floor. He spent his nights on the streets trying to promote their and others' acts with fliers and tickets... often not getting paid what they were promised but instead given tickets. It's hard to eat tickets. At one point, he was living on just 1 to 2 dollars a day.
RM had been performing underground while still in high school. While many other artists recognized how good he was... it didn't seem to be going anywhere. So he actually stopped performing for a bit, concentrating on his studies. That was when he got the call from Bang Si Hyuk.
JHope and Jimin both got interested in dancing during middle school... attending after-school dance groups. JHope joined a street dance group and continued that through high school.
For Jimin, although he was initially interested in street dancing, because of his after-school club... he got a taste of the stage and wanted more but there weren't the same kind of groups where he could learn more. He did attend a local dance studio but struggled to pay for classes. The closest he could get to the training he wanted was contemporary/modern dance offered at Busan's slightly school for the arts. So he applied there and was accepted as their top student.
Once Big Hit found JHope they didn't yet have dorms. So they had him stay in his hometown and train at first and then went to Seoul where he joined RM & Suga in the dorms.
Jimin auditioned for BH later and won against thousands in Busan. He then went Seoul. He joined V at the high school in Seoul so they could graduate. JK was there too but in middle school still. So all of them attended middle and high schools like any other youth. They didn't have tutoring like a lot of ent to school like any other kid. Jin was already in college for acting in Seoul when Big Hit recruited him. Jimin, V, & JK had to balance school and being trainees. Yoongi & Jin were balancing college & being trainees. I THINK RM had finished college before things got too crazy.... but I know he went later again as well. I'm pretty sure all of them ended up getting college degrees at some point. And keep in mind that even once they debuted they weren't that sheltered like some young artists are now. They lived wherever BSH could find a place for them. That often meant walking the streets to their dorm and back. Jin often drove the younger ones to school until they had enough staff for that.
They said their music is all about their own STORY,XPERIENCE
@@TheBioExplorer
Jimin's family was poor but he had drive and plans - so there is experience of that, too.
When Hobi was signed they did not have a dance studio and that was why they let him train in his hometown - I'm not entirely sure that they even signed him at first to put him on stage as anything but a (background-)dancer before realizing they did not have the money for that.
The same way they pushed Jin from "just" acting into becoming a trainee.
You do not have to experience (alcohol) abuse for yourself - you can watch how it influences classmates and neighbors - especially in close communities - Like Taehyung's for example - or poor places.
You just have to be aware.
There's such a debate right now about who brought K-pop to the international level. Big Bang or BTS. So how do you answer that?
I never heard of Big Bang until I found BTS. Through them, I watched other groups. To me, BB discography is limited, BTS became international within 3 years and just blew up globally. Their diverse music reach is massive. BB was more impactful domestically.
BTS are legends in their own right. Their lore, their live performances, their individual talents, and their 10 year hard work.
Tens of millions of people were introduced to k-pop because of BTS (including me). Before that, k-pop was considered to be a niche genre. BTS was the first k-pop artist to achieve many achievements (breaking records, topping charts, selling out stadiums, winning awards in western music shows like BBMA, AMA, etc). They made it easier for other k-pop artists to make it in the western/overseas market and win awards/recognition there (k-pop catagory was created in western music award shows primarily due to BTS' success). Many k-pop idols (PSY, Rain, Shinhwa, Ailee, Jessi, Sunmi, Tiffany, CL, etc) have thanked BTS for it, they've said that BTS have achieved things that they could never do. Rhetorically, BTS kind of paved/eased the way for k-pop and South Korean culture. Even the former president of South Korea (Moon Jae-in) has admitted it. All of BTS received cultural merit awards from their government in 2018, because they're a pride of their country. They're one of the 3 things that represent the nation in the Olympics, while BTS are one of the 4 elites of South Korea. They are the most successful group of the 21st century and bring hundreds of thousands of tourists and billions of dollars to their country's economy.
*Conclusion : BTS paved the way* 🎇
Спасибо. Очень кратко, информативно и доступно для понимания.
Is Lee Sooman still active in SM?
Somehow US centrism makes itself known.
Sigh!
You just pretended that classic styles and balladic styles were native to Korea - they are not - they come from Europe... via Japan and Japanese occupation...
Nevermind that the government in this after-the -Korean-war era till 1987 also surpressed a lot of music - Shin Joong-hyun was imprisoned and tortured as he refused to write propaganda music for the dictator. Shin's son founded Sinawe - where Seo Taiji's career begins.
Japan also has a trainee system - developed around the same time Motown did something similar in the US - which both did influence LSM.
Why so much micromanaging?
Because LSM's first signing went to prison for drug posession.
I'm not so sure Sobangcha was that influencial - their dance was rather simple - according to DKDKTV's own vid "Kpop history in 20 minutes" (they are both Korean).
There are reasons why Seo Taiji is called "president of culture" and he is asigned such a high honor by Korean's.
I also found bby gang mag's video essays that includes K-pop history interesting. Maybe it was in "BTS vs. K-pop" but also in "you are wrong about K-pop" and "BTS: More than K-pop".
But this absolutly *IS* interesting to add to South Korean music history!
Thank you! 💜
Maam,why u didnt put BIGBANG AS ONE WHO SHAPE K POP?CAUSE THEY SAID BIGANG WHO REALLY PAVED THE WAY FOR OTHER KPOP?🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
WoW!!! I didn't know any of this.
Thank you Fairlane for all the information about the beginnings.
I really appreciate all your hard work.
🫰🏻💜💜💜