Agree with wanted. They should rework the magnetic grenade into having the same range as flashbang and having it explode instantly. They should call it a "concussion grenade" instead of a flashbang, and give the hinder effect + damage like it has now.
Glad wanted is finally admitting the grenade is terrible now. Only really hard counters tracer and som tbh. Everyone else essentially laughs and ignores it even if it lands
Yeah that’s what I was kinda thinking. A concussion grenade that hinders the enemy for a bit in a decent range like the flash bang but it’s not a stun. It probably wouldn’t be fun to play against but it would make him playable
The instant impact would feel a lot more natural, too. Being stunned after a grenade goes off makes sense, not before. Also, Ashe's dynamite does double the damage, so it would make sense if cass's grenade had a shorter time to do the full effect.
Bro is calmly playing while keeping rational behavior, discussing the state of his favorite character in the game, and reading comments while casually beating up 2 other streamers who r r somewhat tilted at the same time 😭
Last night, we had a 4v3 and were chasing them down before they got to spawn. The Hanzo n Baptiste were maybe three meters within each other--pretty close! I threw the nade at the Hanzo, and the damn thing somehow went right between them. Right thru the uprights 😂
People hyped up the nade so much. I'm seeing it in action now and at best it's getting early ability use out or accidentally connecting on some. But now any reliance on it as a kill confirm or any cc is completely gone. The utility flashbang had was so much more in terms of reliability, mu specific use, 1 on 1, etc. If they're worried about something like it invalidating some ults then put some like reapers on a timer. With a meta reliant on Tracer or Sombra that are never dying, flashbang gave that a shutdown. They put so much effort in new nades potential in team dynamic, they forgot about the use for the actual character (slow is barely mentioned in all of this cause it may as well be a non point).
Gun: Ashe has movement speed penalty (scoped) or accuracy and damage penalty (unscoped). Shift: Cass roll reloads his weapon and Ashe has that awful slow one bullet at a time reload. E: Dynamite can set Ashe on fire if used too close whereas Cass nade is safe for Cass to use in a close range duel. Q: B.O.B is straight up way better than high noon obviously. The point I'm making is that although Cass seems worse than Ashe, there are many situations in which he's the better pick simply because he lacks many of her weaknesses. Against some team comps and on some maps Cass is better simply because he doesn't need to scope in and can reload faster.
current mag node feels extremely niche, it’s pretty much only viable against mobility characters, and it makes their lives a nightmare, like if you don’t play sigma or zarya rn you’re not gonna have any fun on tank
ive been saying since day 1 of ow2...the old mag grenade was JUUUUUUUUUUUST FINE. It did less damage than other secondary DPS abilities. Now, its purely a support tool. Although, i will say, since it has no cast point or animation lock out, you can shoot and throw it at the same time. so its free damage. However, it is completely outclassed by ashes dynamite. Ways to improve the mag grenade. 1: genji cant deflect it. (its magnetic, you cant deflect a magnet with metal swords....) 2: make it fly faster. 3: Make its explosion radius larger. 3-5 meters would be ok. Damage can scale the farther away you are. 4: Make it useable while ulting.
Pocket sand or a smoke bomb or whatever else. Loads of people are suggesting that and I agree. Either visibility or tick damage. Seems plenty in character and is a pretty good utility ability that would punish flankers more than tanks. What's more cowboy? A high tech magnetic grenade or fighting dirty by kicking sand into the enemy's eyes.
i think the reason why they're making it a sticky grenade is so that the effect (previous: 130dmg, current: hinder) only affects one person and not multiple players. but yeah, they should get rid of the honing mechanic and just let it explode after a certain distance, it can keep its current effect after the grenade explodes
this new E has the ability description that make it sound like its game breaking but mechanically feels like the most glitchy/scuffed/inconsistent ability in game i really don't get the range on that thing are they trying to change the identity of his E from being an ability for close range into a long range ability or some kind of a utility and i don't get the obsession with the stick feature not only that but now it chases, it genuinely feels silly not to mention its so slow 2 seconds flight time, 2 seconds chasing, 2 seconds to detonate and to make sure so that in case kiriko was in a coma she'd have time to cleanse
Idk why McCassidy needs a damn grenade, I think it’d be neat if they just scrapped it and gave him a new ability that used his gun. Maybe he quickly loads in explosive bullets or something and has one clip of stronger damage. Or maybe a “focused shot”, call it QuickDraw. Tap e, he holsters the pistol, right click to cancel or left click to draw for a stronger snipe w a good crit modifier. Like a diet version of the ultimate that you have to aim.
Maybe a grenade that draws in alt-fire shots. Gives the burst power of the first mag grenade and the universality without so much pressure on the primary fire.
Always thought an actual flashbang would be much better than both of the grenades. Plus it’s interesting for throwing it at snipers or having enemies try to turn around in order to not be blinded. But just thoughts
Oh and also, I had another grenade somehow stick to the opposing Sigma, while he was using his succ. He actually reacted to the throw pretty well, and it hit him anyway. 😂
I can't agree with you John. Not having hard CC is healthy for the game. Maybe they can rework it so it's more consistent to hit with more of a "skill shot" but they should NOT bring back a real stun for him.
I think what they should give him is a lasso that could have almost the same hitbox and range as flash did, but instead of stunning, it throws u up in the air and disables air control for a short time, like a single target wrecking ball slam
Dude I had an entire game where when I threw the sticky nade it literally didn't even come out of my hands and like 2seconds later it would explode where my character was standing?? Like he just kept dropping it on the floor or something I wasn't lagging or anything
As a big Cass _and_ Tracer enjoyer, fuck this nade ❤ When I'm on Cass it feels underwhelming and weak and from Tracer's POV the new nade feels super cheesy to fight against. Cass needs a SKILL BASED ability that helps him win duels, not this magnetic CC bullshit... When playing as Cass I want to be able to win a close range duel with a flanker in a way that feels fair and skillful where the better player comes out on top.
I think cass should have an ability like ashe where you throw it and have to shoot it. In a game called ultra kill, theres a weapon where you throw a coin and when you shoot it it automatically hits the head of the enemy. not saying it shol be exactly that but def something similar so it has a skill aspect to it. I really don't think he should have a stun at all
1:55 no, simply no, a DPS shouldn't have a stun ability, especially not when it's simple to land. Brigitte also didn't need it, only tanks should be allowed to have stuns. (Ana doesn't count)
Bro give him a lasso at this point that slows movement works like hook but the cree can just press the button again when theyre lassod and it trips em or sum
As a ball main, I'd rather have the quicker flashbang of ow1 than this no skill magnetic homing device. Flashbang would be a bit more bait-able but also require some skill to get value from. Right now, I just roll away from this slow ass nade and still get hit, 99% of the time they didn't even mean to hit me.
Since about 2019 ive wanted mccree to have his ultimate be a second gun. A desert eagle in his robo hand to handle the recoil. My version of his first ability is a shock whip that has like 10 meters and stuns for a second. And maybe a little DoT. Hed say some funny cowboy shit that gets censored and throw the hand cannon up in the air for 1 second. Before 1 tapping non tanks and even then shredding anything in front with both guns that fire indepentantly. It would be the same damage as a nano boosted mccree. Any abilities other than roll are locked when using 2 guns.
Explosion on contact seems a bit strong, Cass would one shot on headshot-stick and it would feel unfair to play against. Like 10:02 would have felt like a pretty lame one shot, but the delay actually made it fair because the opposing team could react to it and save the ashe
What if when it exploded like u were saying, but instead of a hindered effect, it was a dizziness effect, making ur screen all fuzzy and wobbly for a second or so, also getting rid of idicators and stuff during that time?
Nobody liked original magnetic grenade. It was either useless or would fly around 2 corners to kill someone and offered no real utility other than dmg. It was actually more efficient to just directly shoot people
You are very good at cass, but I feel like you have gotten away from the fundamentals of using cass and his grenade your kinda just lobbing it whenever, instead of using it close range when it’s most effective
Your ability goes from broken to balanced and now cree is a "dogshit character" ? Atleast you aren't a genji player you'd be depressed, the new grenade actually takes some aim now, one thing I do wish they'd improve or completely rework with cree is his ultimate, 95% of the time it's useless.
Wanted literally complains about any fucking change they make to McCree ever. He'll say its OP one vid and say it's a dogshit ability the next, this feels like Mendokusaii complaining about Overwatch and Apex 9 out of every 10 minutes of gameplay.
Hilarious to watch Wanted calmly talk and play, then it cuts to Jay’s perspective of the same interaction and he’s just spazzing hard lmao
I like how no one in this video is having fun
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Agree with wanted. They should rework the magnetic grenade into having the same range as flashbang and having it explode instantly. They should call it a "concussion grenade" instead of a flashbang, and give the hinder effect + damage like it has now.
should keep the delay the current one has now, old flash was immediate die and felt bad
I think the delay is the only thing keeping the community from going going on a crusade against Cass
Glad wanted is finally admitting the grenade is terrible now. Only really hard counters tracer and som tbh. Everyone else essentially laughs and ignores it even if it lands
Yeah that’s what I was kinda thinking. A concussion grenade that hinders the enemy for a bit in a decent range like the flash bang but it’s not a stun. It probably wouldn’t be fun to play against but it would make him playable
Agree to that, would be more intuitive instead of the akward way that it is now.
The instant impact would feel a lot more natural, too. Being stunned after a grenade goes off makes sense, not before. Also, Ashe's dynamite does double the damage, so it would make sense if cass's grenade had a shorter time to do the full effect.
In fairness a slow burn should deal more damage as it’s easier to heal
Bro is calmly playing while keeping rational behavior, discussing the state of his favorite character in the game, and reading comments while casually beating up 2 other streamers who r r somewhat tilted at the same time 😭
Ain't no somewhat tilted about it. Homie hit his desk. 😂😂
Last night, we had a 4v3 and were chasing them down before they got to spawn. The Hanzo n Baptiste were maybe three meters within each other--pretty close! I threw the nade at the Hanzo, and the damn thing somehow went right between them. Right thru the uprights 😂
Try to throw it above people. I get alot more sticks that way
People hyped up the nade so much.
I'm seeing it in action now and at best it's getting early ability use out or accidentally connecting on some.
But now any reliance on it as a kill confirm or any cc is completely gone.
The utility flashbang had was so much more in terms of reliability, mu specific use, 1 on 1, etc.
If they're worried about something like it invalidating some ults then put some like reapers on a timer.
With a meta reliant on Tracer or Sombra that are never dying, flashbang gave that a shutdown.
They put so much effort in new nades potential in team dynamic, they forgot about the use for the actual character (slow is barely mentioned in all of this cause it may as well be a non point).
Ashe vs Cass
Gun: Ashe
Shift: Ashe
E: Ashe
Q: Ashe
Streamer: McCassidy
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Gun: Ashe has movement speed penalty (scoped) or accuracy and damage penalty (unscoped).
Shift: Cass roll reloads his weapon and Ashe has that awful slow one bullet at a time reload.
E: Dynamite can set Ashe on fire if used too close whereas Cass nade is safe for Cass to use in a close range duel.
Q: B.O.B is straight up way better than high noon obviously.
The point I'm making is that although Cass seems worse than Ashe, there are many situations in which he's the better pick simply because he lacks many of her weaknesses. Against some team comps and on some maps Cass is better simply because he doesn't need to scope in and can reload faster.
current mag node feels extremely niche, it’s pretty much only viable against mobility characters, and it makes their lives a nightmare, like if you don’t play sigma or zarya rn you’re not gonna have any fun on tank
ive been saying since day 1 of ow2...the old mag grenade was JUUUUUUUUUUUST FINE. It did less damage than other secondary DPS abilities. Now, its purely a support tool. Although, i will say, since it has no cast point or animation lock out, you can shoot and throw it at the same time. so its free damage. However, it is completely outclassed by ashes dynamite.
Ways to improve the mag grenade.
1: genji cant deflect it. (its magnetic, you cant deflect a magnet with metal swords....)
2: make it fly faster.
3: Make its explosion radius larger. 3-5 meters would be ok. Damage can scale the farther away you are.
4: Make it useable while ulting.
Now cas has 2 cosmetic abilities
Yeah, they basically just deleted flash-fan.
Dude I thought I was going crazy with the nade, I be throwing it a rein and it clips through him all the time
Pocket sand or a smoke bomb or whatever else. Loads of people are suggesting that and I agree. Either visibility or tick damage. Seems plenty in character and is a pretty good utility ability that would punish flankers more than tanks.
What's more cowboy? A high tech magnetic grenade or fighting dirty by kicking sand into the enemy's eyes.
they should make it literally like a flash bang from cod except it only blinds you for like .5 seconds
They should experiment with giving the nade the same physics/move speed as bastions grenade
I think the only change we need to nade is that it won't home in on targets but just explode when it comes near them.
The grenade should be an impact grenade with a small amount of knockback for McCree and the target.
Sooo... a much worse version of Ashe's coach gun?
I thought I was the only one, I can’t ever land that damn ability bro it moves so slow
revert flashbang blizz
4:41 Jay was flabbergasted 😂
i think the reason why they're making it a sticky grenade is so that the effect (previous: 130dmg, current: hinder) only affects one person and not multiple players. but yeah, they should get rid of the honing mechanic and just let it explode after a certain distance, it can keep its current effect after the grenade explodes
Holy jay was about to scream and I think emongg too😅😂
this new E has the ability description that make it sound like its game breaking but mechanically feels like the most glitchy/scuffed/inconsistent ability in game
i really don't get the range on that thing are they trying to change the identity of his E from being an ability for close range into a long range ability or some kind of a utility and i don't get the obsession with the stick feature not only that but now it chases, it genuinely feels silly
not to mention its so slow
2 seconds flight time, 2 seconds chasing, 2 seconds to detonate and to make sure so that in case kiriko was in a coma she'd have time to cleanse
Jay 3 mercy pocket 💀
Idk why McCassidy needs a damn grenade, I think it’d be neat if they just scrapped it and gave him a new ability that used his gun. Maybe he quickly loads in explosive bullets or something and has one clip of stronger damage. Or maybe a “focused shot”, call it QuickDraw. Tap e, he holsters the pistol, right click to cancel or left click to draw for a stronger snipe w a good crit modifier. Like a diet version of the ultimate that you have to aim.
I will die on this hill 1000 times if I have to. There's no point in making his grenade magnetic.
Maybe a grenade that draws in alt-fire shots. Gives the burst power of the first mag grenade and the universality without so much pressure on the primary fire.
New cass ult rework- his peace keeper becomes empowered and is able to one shot headshot 250 health characters, but only gets 6 shots
Always thought an actual flashbang would be much better than both of the grenades. Plus it’s interesting for throwing it at snipers or having enemies try to turn around in order to not be blinded. But just thoughts
i havent seen jay3 not be pocketed
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Hear me out Cassidy ult makes him not have to reload for 8 seconds
Oh and also, I had another grenade somehow stick to the opposing Sigma, while he was using his succ. He actually reacted to the throw pretty well, and it hit him anyway. 😂
what if they brung back flashbang and made it an actual flashbang
I actually quite like the reworked Magnetic Grenade. It obviously needs tweaking but being able to throw it like Ashe is insanely good.
Honestly they should just make it a true flashbang like in other FPS games.
For all the people out there, it took some time, but i counted all the "flashbangs" in the vid. Just one short of 420,70, which makes 420,69. Noice.
Make it into Ultrakill coinshot.
Glad they cancelled Pve to focus on the game so they can give us inovative and totally complete changes like this Cass grenade!!
take a shot Everytime wanted mentioned flashbang and you'd be blacked out by the third game on stream
love watching some jayfree farm
Would honestly want to see flats and wanted talk about cassidy, would be smthing to hear for sure
I can't agree with you John. Not having hard CC is healthy for the game. Maybe they can rework it so it's more consistent to hit with more of a "skill shot" but they should NOT bring back a real stun for him.
they should make his ability like ashe’s shoot it to blow up
I think what they should give him is a lasso that could have almost the same hitbox and range as flash did, but instead of stunning, it throws u up in the air and disables air control for a short time, like a single target wrecking ball slam
I’m not a Cass player because my aim is dog but I agree the nade is even worse. Both iterations of the nade before did more.
U know that emmong and jay3 were in 12 12 then went to quick play.
Just give cassidy that one gold coin from ultrakill
0:59 😂😂
Dude I had an entire game where when I threw the sticky nade it literally didn't even come out of my hands and like 2seconds later it would explode where my character was standing?? Like he just kept dropping it on the floor or something I wasn't lagging or anything
bring back his flashbang and make it only slow tanks for like 2sec instead of stunning them. hire me blizz
Blizzard is building a reputation for really lazy/janky reworks like new brig rally. New mag nade doesn’t even really make sense
watch his mouth while he is shooting lmao
He should reload like ashe does if he needs to refill 3 bullets or less into his weapon and have a regular frag grenade that boops
As a big Cass _and_ Tracer enjoyer, fuck this nade ❤ When I'm on Cass it feels underwhelming and weak and from Tracer's POV the new nade feels super cheesy to fight against. Cass needs a SKILL BASED ability that helps him win duels, not this magnetic CC bullshit... When playing as Cass I want to be able to win a close range duel with a flanker in a way that feels fair and skillful where the better player comes out on top.
They should just take the nade out and give him 3 rolls. More rolls less problems
I think cass should have an ability like ashe where you throw it and have to shoot it. In a game called ultra kill, theres a weapon where you throw a coin and when you shoot it it automatically hits the head of the enemy. not saying it shol be exactly that but def something similar so it has a skill aspect to it. I really don't think he should have a stun at all
1:50 or just have a chnce to choice witch one
He should just throw sand and it makes the pov of the other guy blurry
Melee ground to get the cd for half the time
1:55 no, simply no, a DPS shouldn't have a stun ability, especially not when it's simple to land. Brigitte also didn't need it, only tanks should be allowed to have stuns. (Ana doesn't count)
It feels the exacts same way about genji he just feels so weak and unimpactful, his ult is better used to bait out cooldowns and ults
"But Cassidy is OP in season 5" 🤓
Bro give him a lasso at this point that slows movement works like hook but the cree can just press the button again when theyre lassod and it trips em or sum
can you show me yor setttings
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As a ball main, I'd rather have the quicker flashbang of ow1 than this no skill magnetic homing device. Flashbang would be a bit more bait-able but also require some skill to get value from. Right now, I just roll away from this slow ass nade and still get hit, 99% of the time they didn't even mean to hit me.
They are never going to revert the flashbang. It's sad, but they need an excuse to still call this game a sequel :/
Since about 2019 ive wanted mccree to have his ultimate be a second gun. A desert eagle in his robo hand to handle the recoil.
My version of his first ability is a shock whip that has like 10 meters and stuns for a second. And maybe a little DoT.
Hed say some funny cowboy shit that gets censored and throw the hand cannon up in the air for 1 second. Before 1 tapping non tanks and even then shredding anything in front with both guns that fire indepentantly.
It would be the same damage as a nano boosted mccree. Any abilities other than roll are locked when using 2 guns.
I like the ability as an idea, but the execution of it is eh. I agree that it feels really unfinished
ngl this jay6 guy is kinda bad huh
Noice
Just give him a normal frag
Explosion on contact seems a bit strong, Cass would one shot on headshot-stick and it would feel unfair to play against. Like 10:02 would have felt like a pretty lame one shot, but the delay actually made it fair because the opposing team could react to it and save the ashe
What if when it exploded like u were saying, but instead of a hindered effect, it was a dizziness effect, making ur screen all fuzzy and wobbly for a second or so, also getting rid of idicators and stuff during that time?
just bring back stun.
U don't play tank so u don't know the pain if jq got stunned she's just dead
Give him back his flashbang as his ultimate and make high noon a cooldown. Fixed and balanced.
Who let him cook
Wanted please stfu about the nade. Cass is fine he doesnt need every part of the kit to be overpowered...
Season 1-3 Mag nade was literally fine, no idea why it needed to be changed.
Nobody liked original magnetic grenade. It was either useless or would fly around 2 corners to kill someone and offered no real utility other than dmg. It was actually more efficient to just directly shoot people
The cas nade is So dump im sorry but i realy hate mai and cas changes.... gg wp anyways!
Bro is crying about cas go look at doom fist 💀
Complain about the new nade all the game and still win. Yea the nade is fine
You are very good at cass, but I feel like you have gotten away from the fundamentals of using cass and his grenade your kinda just lobbing it whenever, instead of using it close range when it’s most effective
Your ability goes from broken to balanced and now cree is a "dogshit character" ? Atleast you aren't a genji player you'd be depressed, the new grenade actually takes some aim now, one thing I do wish they'd improve or completely rework with cree is his ultimate, 95% of the time it's useless.
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Wanted literally complains about any fucking change they make to McCree ever. He'll say its OP one vid and say it's a dogshit ability the next, this feels like Mendokusaii complaining about Overwatch and Apex 9 out of every 10 minutes of gameplay.
bruh pls stop complaining
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Man I like your videos but MOST of it is just you complaining about cass bro it gets mad repetitive
Not stacked vs jay3. Jay is literally bronze and gets carried in practically every game