I've heard about this! If I'm not mistaken, that patent expired somewhat recently so hopefully we see more games trying to implement something like that!
Alyx not getting a mention in this video is a crime. It has 1 of the best loading screens not just for VR but for all mediums. You are placed in a room with a map of the area of city 17 on a hologram table in front of you where you can see you're entire path through the city down to every single building. It's that loading screen that made me aware that every level in alyx is back to back connected and you pretty much literally walk from the start to the end of the game with little distance jumps
Exactly one of the examples I was hoping to see when I clicked on this video. I also think the fact that you can move towards the actual map as close as you want makes it so amazing. My pc isnt the best but I barely remember waiting at all in hl:a compared to other vr games i've played
@@varph_ and a really cool feature is when you need to "press trigger to continue the game", where you get thrown in the place where the level stars, but all grey
I don't really know why I watch these, since I don't even have a headset, but your content is high quality and vr content in general is very entertaining.
You're just like me before I got a VR headset! I used to watch so much VR content because I hoped one day I would finally have the chance to play on one...and now look at me! Here's hoping you get to join in on the fun soon :)
I guess it's just a common phase that most people who are naturally VR enthusiasts will go through before having a vr. And whenever you can't play your vr you'll still come back to these videos to give you your dose of dopamine.
An pretty good loading screen, specifically in VR, is No Man's Sky. For loading into the game itself you float through stars, and for things like warping to other planets, it shows you going through a wormhole. It is way better than most games, let alone most VR games' loading screens.
Seriously cool video concept, and especially one that not enough devs think about. Heck, even Contractors has a solid loading screen experience since they let you have infinite ammo and a shooting range while the lobby loads up and you're waiting for the host to hit start. Then when you first enter the game, if others are taking a while to connect, you have a basketball court to make a couple shots in. lol
8:30 I am pretty sure, the quest headsets have SSD memory inside, already.I never heard any physical HD working during a loading screen. The entire device wuld be bigger and heavier with an oldschool hard drive in it.
they use nand flash storage yes, but the quality and performance of nand flash can vary greatly. usb sticks and sd cards are nand storage just like sata and nvme ssds are. usb sticks and sd cards get bottom of the barrel, cheap and often defective nand flash while the sata and nvme ssds get the good stuff. emmc, which is kind of similar to an sd card in performance and durability (in other words, not good) is the thing that is often used in phones, laptops and i suspect they are the thing used in the quest headsets as it is dirt cheap. emmc is slow and unreliable, sometimes worse than hard drives.
@guesswho2778 Phones and Quests dont use emmc. They use something like UFS 3.1 at least the 256GB version. Do a speed test on your phone and you might see 2000MB/s not 20. Same on the quest. This all is just an educated guess. Very cheap laptops tend to use emmc tho. Emmc is limited to 64GB. Quest 2 has more(the old 64Gb variant is not counted, it should use the same tech as the higher capacity ones) Edit: Emmc supports up to 128Gb.
@@guesswho2778 I dunno man, RE4 on the Quest 2 loads pretty quick, often faster or on par with a PC with an SSD. So I doubt the internal storage is slower than a hard drive.
No mans sky has a LOT of different loading screens depending on where your going and how your travelling, and these loading screens are the exact same in VR as they are in desktop, they are extremely immersive.
You said it as a joke but having the equivalent of in-universe social media reels as a loading screen that are dependent upon where you are or your progress in the game would actually be amazing
@ agreed, I was thinking more like Insomniac's Spider-Man games where they use podcasts in-between missions to update you on events and add extra worldbuilding, giving you regular people's perspectives on events etc...
@@pezantvr5871 ahhh I understand now So like the Cyberpunk 2077 loading screen when you first load up your save, except not always the exact same news clip, which gets super annoying lol
i quite like the loading screens in half life : alyx while not really interactive, its still nice and doesnt serve as much of an interruption, the color of the area around you fades to grey, with everything still staying fully visible but lacking color, and an orange hologram of a 3d map appears in front of you, showing you where you've been and where you currently are, and gives an indication of your progress while providing a small moment to rest. you actually end up looking forward to them, as they are spaced decently far apart, and serve as a moment where you can safely stop and rest without having to worry about anything.
Shoutout to resonite where while you’re loading into another world, you stay in your current world and get teleported over when loading is finished. Brings the illusion of instant loading
Wow, really good points...I agree that loading screens can be way more creative. I haven't played a lot of variety lately, but your examples are great. On that ConVRgence loading screen, driving and having the dog with you at your side while it's loading is pretty stellar!
to be honest, i think the best loading screen in vr is loading screen from gorilla tag, witch in that case, it dosent have any.. you just walk a corridor and the map is there waiting for you, an example is clouds, you go up an wind elevator and when you reach the end of it, the map has already loaded fully
well.. yeah. most games use procedural loading. but its the initial loading screen of a level that we're talking about (which gorilla tag does have, just much shooter)
I don't know about VR loading screens, but I remember when I played Lego Star wars: the force awakens on my 3DS XL as a kid and the loading screens had this little pixelated minigame where you were in the millennium falcon and had to shoot the oncoming tie fighters before they got to the other side of the screen. Little details like that genuinely add so much to a game (I legitimately remember playing that minihame more than I do the rest of the game lol) and VR has massive potential for such details
8:30 - wait what? are we running off of mechanical HD in our quests right now?... of course we're not... we already use SSD since at least 2016 in standalone headsets, and not just SSD but integrated chips called nand flash on the board that are way faster too...
Excellent points! Alien incursion kinda does this in the elevator, but frame rates drop pretty badly. At least loading times are fairly short, but yeah, game devs should definitely keep this in mind
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@@Ecksehrin Thank you so much that’s incredibly nice of you to say!! It has event even been two full years since I started and I’m incredibly proud of how much I’ve improved and grown. It’s thanks to supportive people like you that I have the courage (and views!) to keep going, so thank you very much :)
Brilliant video! I love how you have pointed out a clear area of improvement and offered the answers and examples. I hope developers are seeing this an taking notes and working on ideas. I know Pavlov has some quirky little details and comments about the game but I have seen the same ones over and over and a few new tips and ideas thrown in from time to time would be noticed and appreciated.
another big thing with loading screens in your spawn point if your supposed to be traveling somewhere and you spawn past a gate or in the middle of a area that really ruins immersion and adds to that teleporting feeling
VTOL vr has an amazing loading screen that’s mesmerizing. It looks like the strategy map slowly forming into a real landscape with erosion in a super Timelapse
This is the kind of film the industry needs. I've been thinking a lot about ways they could go about lowering the level of friction with VR, but I'm sure far better paid people than I am on it.
One simplest way a bare bone VR game loading screen is ... A story? Or tip? So that at least there's something I can focus on while waiting the game to load. I found this in Grid Legend's story mode and yep... Good enough I guess
Problem with this is that with many headsets you can't reliably read paragraphs of text, but if you have a story told in audio, then it might get cutoff if someone loads faster, or you force the faster loader to wait in a loading screen when they don't need to.
@theplushfrog Yeah I understand the PPD of some headsets aren't dense enough to show many texts... Although the audio one actually doesn't have to be cut off once it's loaded. Call of duty advanced warfare for example let you press a button if you want to skip the cinematic after loading were done
Resonite does a pretty good loading screen when switching worlds, it loads the world in the background, with a progress popup at the bottom of your view, so you can still do stuff/talk to people while its loading the new world
Resonite doesn't have loading screens aside from booting the game up. Although you enter other worlds as all the assets are loading around you, you can talk to people inside that world.
Our VR app (while it does have some pretty speedy load-times) has intermediary loading screens that have little particles attached to the player's hands. Just a little something to wave around and make sparkles happen while you wait 5 seconds.
I'm usually very frustrated when people complain about loading screens, but you make excellent points. They can be pretty disorienting. In flat games, I appreciate the moment to drink some water and relax, but that's harder to facilitate in vr.
I didn't realise how much I would enjoy rowing sounds in BaS. The music does a good job at vibe but even having the rowing low in the mix would deffo do something for me haha
One of the things I know is that in the Nintendo labo headset. When playing the alien blaster. When moving to the next area you are in some kind of transport box made to hold your vehicle (which can be seen if you look down). This only happens when moving between areas in a level though.
actually, i remember one time in roblox i cooked up a loading system in ~20 minutes. basically, when you activate a certain trigger, it would unload the previous scene and load the current scene, but where the two scenes connected there was no visual difference, essentially making it look completely seamless and smooth. I used this for a cheap non-euclidean effect where you make 2 lefts into a hall where it looks like it should take you right back to where you just were, but instead it took you to a completely new room.
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I spend too much time fiddling with the loading screen of our game. At the end we settled for a void where the user can still walk around in a certain radius, open the menu and view a 360 image while a floating window with a bit of a parallax effect shows the next map thumbnail and the loading progress. For most devs, black void loading in is just practical-it’s faster and avoids motion sickness. Interactive environments look cool but increase load times, and async loading can still cause lags. It’s a trade-off: speed vs. visuals.
It'd be nice if there was just like a table with a few interactable props to fiddle around with, like those you'd normally see at a doctor's office that are for kids
VRChat loading screen is the best (among the loading screens) IMO It drops you into dashboard with vrchat skybox and overlay, so you can't feel lags of unoptimized unity x3
Imo, as someone who spends A LOT of time inof time vrc, the loading screens could def use a bit of overhaul, it’s nice that it’s not laggy, and basic since it lets me focus on other things, like making sure everything is calibrated right and all that. But it’s kinda bland, I guess?
@@lynrayy Resonite has a single proper loading screen, and even then you get like one or two big stutters as it loads. It's not bad. At least Resonite runs better than VRChat when you actually get in lmfao
I think Half Life Alyx has a really good loading screen, because it shows your progress through City 17. Also Budget Cuts despite having a bland loading screen has a really good loading screen because of the music and also how fast it is.
The new Batman VR game uses airlock like doors to hide loading screens. Also I didn't even realize that I was supposed to be traveling by boat in Blade and Sorcery, the boat sounds would have been so much better.
I'm developing my own VR game. I'm absolutely gonna take these into consideration, and give the player something to do during loading screens. The game itself is inspired by Hypnospace Outlaw, and I'm planning on having at least a reference to the game lol
The loading screen in half-life alyx. At least in the main game it shows you a map of where you were and where you're heading to and it helps with showing that you're going from point A to point B which I feel like is a very important staple of Half-Life games. If you didn't know the half-life games are sort of known for having very little disconnect when it comes to levels. Instead of going to forest level and right away desert and then ocean it goes Forest lesser Forest then lesser desert bigger desert Beach then ocean
Either my memory is scuffed already or I'm remembering the wrong thing. R E 4 on quest, can't do much while loading, but I do remember fiddling with my gear, like juggling gun, or fidgeting with a grenade. It usually resulted in unwanted detonations. Either it was loading screen or a Cinematic, can't remember.
The best way VR can make good loading screens by doing a seamless load and unload zone like locking yourself in a room that has 2 doors and once the doors shut the level behind you deloads and the level in front loads aka a seamless transition
one game that blew me away was jak 2, when leaving the city in the ps2 they cycled the doors and then you are out of the city all that without loading screens, ratchet and clank on the ps2 also had one of the best loading screens I remember, the spaceship doing turns until you do a final turn to the planet you are going
In my game scary descent the loading screen is an elevator that closes, loads the level, and then opens. I did it like this cuz i was to lazy to make a loading screen lmao
The biggest wasted example of this I can think of is Obduction that had a very pretty sparkly transition from our world to the world of the game on desktop but removed it outright on VR, the situation where having something to look at during transition would arguably be the most important.
I guess I'd define immersion as the mind being committed to the game/media VR is physically committing, you cant look away just due to the medium, but your mind is still at time VERY aware that its a game More often than not you need to keep in mind at all times that its a game with limits so you dont hit a wall or violate tracking or something. Not having to worry about the game having limits and getting occupied by the sights, feelings, and actions without distraction is the main thing of immersion. Jank is the opposite, and the physical commitment of standing and always having the headset on amplifies that massively. Might have to try and add something lightweight and interactive to make loading screens better. Sensory deprivation is just not good. Convergence looks like a stellar example
I found the best way to fix loading screens just help the toaster or microwave and you're waiting for the food to be done and then once the beep goes off for the toast pops up you can play the game
I play practically only VRChat on PCVR. I hate the loading screen. Watching the video I realised the best loading screen they couls implement. Keep and avatar of player and place a mirror into the loading room 😂
I play pcvr exclusively. That means i have access to my pc through meta link or steam link. So i usually just open TH-cam and watch a video while i wait for loading
And then you have Resonite (VRChat on crack). No loading screens. Instead of loading you will just get into unloaded world and slowly see how stuff renders around you. It is kinda cool to watch, also even when you are still "loading" you can already do stuff in the game UI, move around and obviously talk to other people. If you don´t even want to do that you can just "pre-load" the new world/instance before hand and actually appear in that world/instance only when it is already loaded or when you manually decide to go there. Also, all worlds are cached so you can jump from one to another without any loading as, well, everything that was already loaded is in your cache.
I feel like loading screens will never entirely go away since with faster and bigger memory there's always more and more to load so people really need to figure that out. For me the steamvr game launching loading screen is always the worst since it's so vague and looks bugged by design so i never know if the game is opening properly or not and it adds a layer of uneasiness to every loading that just makes it worse.
its funny cuz back then i useto wish i could have a vr headset. but now i barely have the motivation to play any of the games i got. either bc ive finished them or the loading times are just way too long (for bonelab i wait like 15 minutes just to load into the menu)
I think I got spoiled by PC gaming loading screens, like literally, with my NVME SSD it usually takes about 30 seconds to load into a save in most games, while in Quest 3 it's closer to 2-2.5 minutes. I guess that's why I play beatsaber so much, it takes 5 seconds to load
Hey, just wanted to say I would love to see ya do a review of Clone Drone in the Hyperdome, it's (in my opinion) a really good example of VR sword combat done right, and I feel your style of video would really help show that, it really deserves the attention! Just saw it pop up in the vid and had to drop a comment :)
Just use pass-through. Even if your PC gamer there’s no way you have a VR headset that doesn’t have passed through because you’ve gotta go somewhere where your PC isn’t at some point and because you know that you have a VR headset that can be away from a PC and also all of those headsets have passthrough. So just turn on pass road and do something you still have audio come through the head set speakers so you know when the game loads!
Me playing Minecraft: loading screens.. Okay.. Me playing Minecraft in VR: oh god it's horrible, literally closing eyes until world loads and 0 fps stops killing my eyes. Surprisingly, flatscreen Minecraft has a solution for loading different dimensions, it's immersive portals mod. Which requires even more computing power and isn't compatible with vivecraft (yet). I would throw shaders away, if it were compatible, to squeeze every little bit of computing power I have.
I have a quest 3 and in there you can multitask, while is loading I open up instagram or a browser tab, but you are right there should be some animation instead of loading screens, like a asgards teleport B&S has that when you beat the golem but it still shows a loading screen at the end 😂
a game called cave digger 2 is a game where you take an hellavator to go down a mining shaft. it has this old wheel that you need to turn around. you turn it a bunch of times .... hey look at that you're in the mines now !
With all the mixed reality now, it should just make a portal. Each time you move to a new level you go back to your real room, wait a bit and then see the portal open again to continue. Not just levels, but for applications in general. The cut to black is really off putting.
Oh my yes Immersive loading screens are great. I may be wrong but I think back in the early days of games some company patented minigames in loading screens and I think that limit has stunted loading screen development because in the beginning most people could not do it for legal reasons and nowadays flatscreen games are slow to innovate.
I think the issue is that while loading, traditionally the game tries to take up as much computing power as it can to load as fast as possible. In VR some computing power needs to be kept in backup so that when you move your head the image moves and it has to be enough so it doesn't lag like crazy and makes you sick. In flat games they can play an animation and even if the framerate isn't great it's not very obvious because you don't have control. In VR you always have to have control of the camera or you lose the VR immersion. Having more elaborate loading screens would mean the game would either load slower because more power would need to be used for the loading screen or it would be laggy and you would basically hold your head still to not get dizzy so it would be pointless. Take alien rogue incursion for example, it loads while you can still move and it's so laggy I would rather have a normal loading screen, the seamless effect is completely ruined by the fps dropping to 10. I think it might have been ok to make the loading longer and keep better performance but idk I got a pretty good PC and the loading is still not very short and you have nothing to do while you wait really. Arken age for example just fades to black which is usually the worst because you are stuck in a black voide but the loading takes like 2-3 seconds maybe 5 if it's a bigger area, I think they could have made it so it's some kind of very bulky door with a slow animation like batman but if that means making the loading 3 times as long is it really worth it ? Like if the game requires 70% of your CPU to run smoothly there's only 30% left for the CPU to use for loading without the performance going down. I think this technique works better on standalone like in batman because the game only runs on quest 3 so it knows exactly how much headroom it has. I think the best for PCVR would be if it could somehow make use of standalone headsets so the loading screen would run in standalone while your computer is loading. For example in alien it could pop your PDA up and you could look at your current objective, your ammo count, the map or read some lore while it loads. Since it's using the standalone processing power and not the PC there wouldn't be any lag at all. It could even just play a kind of 360 movie like say in blade and sorcery there could be a scene on a boat, that way it could have the same graphical fidelity as in PCVR and not be too obvious that it switched to standalone.
Back in the early PlayStation days some Namco games would have their loading screens be older arcade titles, I think they actually patented the idea.
I've heard about this! If I'm not mistaken, that patent expired somewhat recently so hopefully we see more games trying to implement something like that!
yeah it expired back in 2015
they did patent the idea, and that's why there aren't very many playable minigames in loading screens. patents fucking suck.
As a game dev, if i ever make a big game that takes long to load. Im definitely going to make it have a small high-score game in it@@VirtualBroVR
@@themayoenby or maybe because SSD's exit huh, maybe because of that
Alyx not getting a mention in this video is a crime.
It has 1 of the best loading screens not just for VR but for all mediums.
You are placed in a room with a map of the area of city 17 on a hologram table in front of you where you can see you're entire path through the city down to every single building. It's that loading screen that made me aware that every level in alyx is back to back connected and you pretty much literally walk from the start to the end of the game with little distance jumps
Exactly one of the examples I was hoping to see when I clicked on this video. I also think the fact that you can move towards the actual map as close as you want makes it so amazing. My pc isnt the best but I barely remember waiting at all in hl:a compared to other vr games i've played
It's neat, but IMO it's still just a big grey area that you stand in.
@@varph_ and a really cool feature is when you need to "press trigger to continue the game", where you get thrown in the place where the level stars, but all grey
I really like that loading screen, sure its not super intractable, but it give me something to look at
sixty nineth like xD
I don't really know why I watch these, since I don't even have a headset, but your content is high quality and vr content in general is very entertaining.
You're just like me before I got a VR headset! I used to watch so much VR content because I hoped one day I would finally have the chance to play on one...and now look at me! Here's hoping you get to join in on the fun soon :)
@@VirtualBroVR very true! i watched alot of your videos which really inspires me to get it! and havent regreted it when i bought it its really fun lol
I recommend picking up a quest 3 or 3S VR is so much fun and playing it is nothing like watching it
I guess it's just a common phase that most people who are naturally VR enthusiasts will go through before having a vr. And whenever you can't play your vr you'll still come back to these videos to give you your dose of dopamine.
@@VirtualBroVRsame
An pretty good loading screen, specifically in VR, is No Man's Sky. For loading into the game itself you float through stars, and for things like warping to other planets, it shows you going through a wormhole. It is way better than most games, let alone most VR games' loading screens.
During that I try to see how many stars I can have my head go through
Seriously cool video concept, and especially one that not enough devs think about. Heck, even Contractors has a solid loading screen experience since they let you have infinite ammo and a shooting range while the lobby loads up and you're waiting for the host to hit start. Then when you first enter the game, if others are taking a while to connect, you have a basketball court to make a couple shots in. lol
8:30 I am pretty sure, the quest headsets have SSD memory inside, already.I never heard any physical HD working during a loading screen. The entire device wuld be bigger and heavier with an oldschool hard drive in it.
they use nand flash storage yes, but the quality and performance of nand flash can vary greatly.
usb sticks and sd cards are nand storage just like sata and nvme ssds are.
usb sticks and sd cards get bottom of the barrel, cheap and often defective nand flash while the sata and nvme ssds get the good stuff.
emmc, which is kind of similar to an sd card in performance and durability (in other words, not good) is the thing that is often used in phones, laptops and i suspect they are the thing used in the quest headsets as it is dirt cheap.
emmc is slow and unreliable, sometimes worse than hard drives.
@guesswho2778 Phones and Quests dont use emmc. They use something like UFS 3.1 at least the 256GB version. Do a speed test on your phone and you might see 2000MB/s not 20. Same on the quest. This all is just an educated guess. Very cheap laptops tend to use emmc tho. Emmc is limited to 64GB. Quest 2 has more(the old 64Gb variant is not counted, it should use the same tech as the higher capacity ones)
Edit: Emmc supports up to 128Gb.
@@guesswho2778 I dunno man, RE4 on the Quest 2 loads pretty quick, often faster or on par with a PC with an SSD. So I doubt the internal storage is slower than a hard drive.
@@GoldSrc_ i said sometimes, not always.
depends on how they implement it.
@@GoldSrc_assassin's creed takes forever even on the 3
No mans sky has a LOT of different loading screens depending on where your going and how your travelling, and these loading screens are the exact same in VR as they are in desktop, they are extremely immersive.
Especially for loading into the game itself.
You said it as a joke but having the equivalent of in-universe social media reels as a loading screen that are dependent upon where you are or your progress in the game would actually be amazing
Oh yeah, and it could update fallout-style as you progress
kinda like intergalactic cable from rick and morty
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@ agreed, I was thinking more like Insomniac's Spider-Man games where they use podcasts in-between missions to update you on events and add extra worldbuilding, giving you regular people's perspectives on events etc...
@@pezantvr5871 ahhh I understand now
So like the Cyberpunk 2077 loading screen when you first load up your save, except not always the exact same news clip, which gets super annoying lol
7:00 a 3d video of the boat moving through the ocean would’ve been neat too! Even just something simple like that could help, it would go a long way!
i quite like the loading screens in half life : alyx
while not really interactive, its still nice and doesnt serve as much of an interruption, the color of the area around you fades to grey, with everything still staying fully visible but lacking color, and an orange hologram of a 3d map appears in front of you, showing you where you've been and where you currently are, and gives an indication of your progress while providing a small moment to rest.
you actually end up looking forward to them, as they are spaced decently far apart, and serve as a moment where you can safely stop and rest without having to worry about anything.
Shoutout to resonite where while you’re loading into another world, you stay in your current world and get teleported over when loading is finished. Brings the illusion of instant loading
Wow, really good points...I agree that loading screens can be way more creative. I haven't played a lot of variety lately, but your examples are great. On that ConVRgence loading screen, driving and having the dog with you at your side while it's loading is pretty stellar!
to be honest, i think the best loading screen in vr is loading screen from gorilla tag, witch in that case, it dosent have any.. you just walk a corridor and the map is there waiting for you, an example is clouds, you go up an wind elevator and when you reach the end of it, the map has already loaded fully
well.. yeah. most games use procedural loading. but its the initial loading screen of a level that we're talking about (which gorilla tag does have, just much shooter)
gorilla tag has a playstation vr version that actually does have loading screens when going into different maps
@@BeauCanGo2 i cant believe that gorilla that in playstation is the worse and most expensive way to play the game lol
0:20 ultrakill font,, *starts frothing at the mouth*
ultrakill fans when the font VCR osd mono
I don't know about VR loading screens, but I remember when I played Lego Star wars: the force awakens on my 3DS XL as a kid and the loading screens had this little pixelated minigame where you were in the millennium falcon and had to shoot the oncoming tie fighters before they got to the other side of the screen. Little details like that genuinely add so much to a game (I legitimately remember playing that minihame more than I do the rest of the game lol) and VR has massive potential for such details
8:30 - wait what? are we running off of mechanical HD in our quests right now?... of course we're not... we already use SSD since at least 2016 in standalone headsets, and not just SSD but integrated chips called nand flash on the board that are way faster too...
Excellent points! Alien incursion kinda does this in the elevator, but frame rates drop pretty badly. At least loading times are fairly short, but yeah, game devs should definitely keep this in mind
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@@Ecksehrin Thank you so much that’s incredibly nice of you to say!! It has event even been two full years since I started and I’m incredibly proud of how much I’ve improved and grown. It’s thanks to supportive people like you that I have the courage (and views!) to keep going, so thank you very much :)
Brilliant video! I love how you have pointed out a clear area of improvement and offered the answers and examples. I hope developers are seeing this an taking notes and working on ideas. I know Pavlov has some quirky little details and comments about the game but I have seen the same ones over and over and a few new tips and ideas thrown in from time to time would be noticed and appreciated.
another big thing with loading screens in your spawn point if your supposed to be traveling somewhere and you spawn past a gate or in the middle of a area that really ruins immersion and adds to that teleporting feeling
As a person learning a little bit about vr game design this gave me some insight.
Perfect timing! was literally discussing how to implement a VR loading screen as this dropped. Great work BRO!
Love your vids mate! Thank you for all that you do for the vr content community! Keep it up Virtual Bro!!!
I appreciate the support! Will do!!
VTOL vr has an amazing loading screen that’s mesmerizing.
It looks like the strategy map slowly forming into a real landscape with erosion in a super Timelapse
This is the kind of film the industry needs. I've been thinking a lot about ways they could go about lowering the level of friction with VR, but I'm sure far better paid people than I am on it.
We need some assassins creed loading screens in all vr games
One simplest way a bare bone VR game loading screen is ... A story? Or tip? So that at least there's something I can focus on while waiting the game to load. I found this in Grid Legend's story mode and yep... Good enough I guess
Problem with this is that with many headsets you can't reliably read paragraphs of text, but if you have a story told in audio, then it might get cutoff if someone loads faster, or you force the faster loader to wait in a loading screen when they don't need to.
@theplushfrog Yeah I understand the PPD of some headsets aren't dense enough to show many texts... Although the audio one actually doesn't have to be cut off once it's loaded. Call of duty advanced warfare for example let you press a button if you want to skip the cinematic after loading were done
I have been yapping about this forever, FINALLY SOME VALIDATION
Resonite does a pretty good loading screen when switching worlds, it loads the world in the background, with a progress popup at the bottom of your view, so you can still do stuff/talk to people while its loading the new world
Resonite doesn't have loading screens aside from booting the game up. Although you enter other worlds as all the assets are loading around you, you can talk to people inside that world.
i really like how chilloutvr handles loading
Our VR app (while it does have some pretty speedy load-times) has intermediary loading screens that have little particles attached to the player's hands. Just a little something to wave around and make sparkles happen while you wait 5 seconds.
I'm usually very frustrated when people complain about loading screens, but you make excellent points. They can be pretty disorienting. In flat games, I appreciate the moment to drink some water and relax, but that's harder to facilitate in vr.
I didn't realise how much I would enjoy rowing sounds in BaS. The music does a good job at vibe but even having the rowing low in the mix would deffo do something for me haha
I like the vrchat loading screen song it brings back memory
One of the things I know is that in the Nintendo labo headset. When playing the alien blaster. When moving to the next area you are in some kind of transport box made to hold your vehicle (which can be seen if you look down). This only happens when moving between areas in a level though.
They should add text "do 10 push ups"
I so completely agree. Devs, studios, and engine companies need to do a lot more to minimize and make loading states a less sucky experience.
IM SO EXCITED KIWI DESIGN MADE THE GRIPS FOR THE Q3
This is what I've been saying to friends for so long, loading screens in VR need so much more work, they're so bad
I love the video you are speaking absolute facts! Really hope immersive loading screens becomes the norm eventually
Virtual Bro: Hey how much video ideas are left ?
Brain: Yes
actually, i remember one time in roblox i cooked up a loading system in ~20 minutes. basically, when you activate a certain trigger, it would unload the previous scene and load the current scene, but where the two scenes connected there was no visual difference, essentially making it look completely seamless and smooth. I used this for a cheap non-euclidean effect where you make 2 lefts into a hall where it looks like it should take you right back to where you just were, but instead it took you to a completely new room.
I spend too much time fiddling with the loading screen of our game. At the end we settled for a void where the user can still walk around in a certain radius, open the menu and view a 360 image while a floating window with a bit of a parallax effect shows the next map thumbnail and the loading progress.
For most devs, black void loading in is just practical-it’s faster and avoids motion sickness.
Interactive environments look cool but increase load times, and async loading can still cause lags. It’s a trade-off: speed vs. visuals.
And thats why i love the new Batman game! the loading screens are hedden behind doors and feels much better
It'd be nice if there was just like a table with a few interactable props to fiddle around with, like those you'd normally see at a doctor's office that are for kids
VRChat loading screen is the best (among the loading screens) IMO
It drops you into dashboard with vrchat skybox and overlay, so you can't feel lags of unoptimized unity x3
legit boring ass loading screen atleast give us a minigame or smth
@@RealEyae at least it is not lagging like loading screen in resonite
Bro stop glazing, we know you probably have 2,000 hours on the game each week.
Imo, as someone who spends A LOT of time inof time vrc, the loading screens could def use a bit of overhaul, it’s nice that it’s not laggy, and basic since it lets me focus on other things, like making sure everything is calibrated right and all that. But it’s kinda bland, I guess?
@@lynrayy Resonite has a single proper loading screen, and even then you get like one or two big stutters as it loads. It's not bad. At least Resonite runs better than VRChat when you actually get in lmfao
I intend on making my game use metros as a loading screen, where you can just chill for a bit.
Finally a new video! Made my day even better.
I think Half Life Alyx has a really good loading screen, because it shows your progress through City 17.
Also Budget Cuts despite having a bland loading screen has a really good loading screen because of the music and also how fast it is.
The new Batman VR game uses airlock like doors to hide loading screens. Also I didn't even realize that I was supposed to be traveling by boat in Blade and Sorcery, the boat sounds would have been so much better.
I'm developing my own VR game. I'm absolutely gonna take these into consideration, and give the player something to do during loading screens. The game itself is inspired by Hypnospace Outlaw, and I'm planning on having at least a reference to the game lol
I gotta tell you @VirtualBroVR that was a great subject. I hate the VR loading screens if they happen to often & I quit the game entirely.
The loading screen in half-life alyx. At least in the main game it shows you a map of where you were and where you're heading to and it helps with showing that you're going from point A to point B which I feel like is a very important staple of Half-Life games.
If you didn't know the half-life games are sort of known for having very little disconnect when it comes to levels. Instead of going to forest level and right away desert and then ocean it goes Forest lesser Forest then lesser desert bigger desert Beach then ocean
4:40 "I won't waste your time on this" - 15 seconds later, wasting our time with 2 seconds of cirlce of death
Either my memory is scuffed already or I'm remembering the wrong thing. R E 4 on quest, can't do much while loading, but I do remember fiddling with my gear, like juggling gun, or fidgeting with a grenade. It usually resulted in unwanted detonations.
Either it was loading screen or a Cinematic, can't remember.
The best way VR can make good loading screens by doing a seamless load and unload zone like locking yourself in a room that has 2 doors and once the doors shut the level behind you deloads and the level in front loads aka a seamless transition
you make a good point faceless vr man
one game that blew me away was jak 2, when leaving the city in the ps2 they cycled the doors and then you are out of the city all that without loading screens, ratchet and clank on the ps2 also had one of the best loading screens I remember, the spaceship doing turns until you do a final turn to the planet you are going
the convrgence loading screen is cool
THE ENDING HAHAHA
In my game scary descent the loading screen is an elevator that closes, loads the level, and then opens. I did it like this cuz i was to lazy to make a loading screen lmao
The biggest wasted example of this I can think of is Obduction that had a very pretty sparkly transition from our world to the world of the game on desktop but removed it outright on VR, the situation where having something to look at during transition would arguably be the most important.
imagine some games that fully hide loading screens
the nomans sky loading screen is one of if not the main reason I don't play that gane much
I almost clicked off the vid when you added the buffer lmao
I guess I'd define immersion as the mind being committed to the game/media
VR is physically committing, you cant look away just due to the medium, but your mind is still at time VERY aware that its a game
More often than not you need to keep in mind at all times that its a game with limits so you dont hit a wall or violate tracking or something.
Not having to worry about the game having limits and getting occupied by the sights, feelings, and actions without distraction is the main thing of immersion.
Jank is the opposite, and the physical commitment of standing and always having the headset on amplifies that massively.
Might have to try and add something lightweight and interactive to make loading screens better. Sensory deprivation is just not good. Convergence looks like a stellar example
It is like evolving!
Just backwards!
I found the best way to fix loading screens just help the toaster or microwave and you're waiting for the food to be done and then once the beep goes off for the toast pops up you can play the game
That or like a mini game you can play or something like that while you wait
Loading screens don’t bother me unless they are too long. I find its a nice little breather for my short attention span 😂
SuperHot had some of the best loading screen due to how well they fit into the lore of the game. You should take a look!!!!
I play practically only VRChat on PCVR. I hate the loading screen.
Watching the video I realised the best loading screen they couls implement.
Keep and avatar of player and place a mirror into the loading room 😂
My favorite is downloading mods and just standing there… downloading mod 3/56
I play pcvr exclusively. That means i have access to my pc through meta link or steam link. So i usually just open TH-cam and watch a video while i wait for loading
And then you have Resonite (VRChat on crack). No loading screens. Instead of loading you will just get into unloaded world and slowly see how stuff renders around you. It is kinda cool to watch, also even when you are still "loading" you can already do stuff in the game UI, move around and obviously talk to other people. If you don´t even want to do that you can just "pre-load" the new world/instance before hand and actually appear in that world/instance only when it is already loaded or when you manually decide to go there. Also, all worlds are cached so you can jump from one to another without any loading as, well, everything that was already loaded is in your cache.
I feel like loading screens will never entirely go away since with faster and bigger memory there's always more and more to load so people really need to figure that out. For me the steamvr game launching loading screen is always the worst since it's so vague and looks bugged by design so i never know if the game is opening properly or not and it adds a layer of uneasiness to every loading that just makes it worse.
its funny cuz back then i useto wish i could have a vr headset. but now i barely have the motivation to play any of the games i got. either bc ive finished them or the loading times are just way too long (for bonelab i wait like 15 minutes just to load into the menu)
I think I got spoiled by PC gaming loading screens, like literally, with my NVME SSD it usually takes about 30 seconds to load into a save in most games, while in Quest 3 it's closer to 2-2.5 minutes. I guess that's why I play beatsaber so much, it takes 5 seconds to load
No Mans Sky does a good job of no loading screens. There is that hyperwarp effect. but thats pretty much it.
try CVR loading, first time i got so amazed by it
6:41 this started loading so hard that both of my monitors turned off...
Hey, just wanted to say I would love to see ya do a review of Clone Drone in the Hyperdome, it's (in my opinion) a really good example of VR sword combat done right, and I feel your style of video would really help show that, it really deserves the attention! Just saw it pop up in the vid and had to drop a comment :)
Hey, you finally got an outro!
Just use pass-through. Even if your PC gamer there’s no way you have a VR headset that doesn’t have passed through because you’ve gotta go somewhere where your PC isn’t at some point and because you know that you have a VR headset that can be away from a PC and also all of those headsets have passthrough. So just turn on pass road and do something you still have audio come through the head set speakers so you know when the game loads!
If you want immersive story... arizona sunshine 2 has a great story (cried many times if you know why good for you)
Me playing Minecraft: loading screens.. Okay..
Me playing Minecraft in VR: oh god it's horrible, literally closing eyes until world loads and 0 fps stops killing my eyes.
Surprisingly, flatscreen Minecraft has a solution for loading different dimensions, it's immersive portals mod. Which requires even more computing power and isn't compatible with vivecraft (yet). I would throw shaders away, if it were compatible, to squeeze every little bit of computing power I have.
ive never been bothered by a loading screen once, even a 2gb world in vrc, takes like, 10 seconds
What’s the game at 1:00
It’s I love Lego yoda seriously that’s the name
@@Bay-harbor-penguinsure
I have a quest 3 and in there you can multitask, while is loading I open up instagram or a browser tab, but you are right there should be some animation instead of loading screens, like a asgards teleport B&S has that when you beat the golem but it still shows a loading screen at the end 😂
Finally, someone addresses this
great ideas here, thank you
Spinny wheel? DONT YOU MEAN A THROBBER? call the loading screen thingies by thier name.
a game called cave digger 2 is a game where you take an hellavator to go down a mining shaft.
it has this old wheel that you need to turn around. you turn it a bunch of times .... hey look at that you're in the mines now !
Fun fact, the "spinney wheel" on loading screens is called a "throbber". Don't ask me why.. i have no idea why either...
Loading screens should be mini games or actual cutt screens , how hard is that to do...
The ones in the batman games are great, almos imperceptible
With all the mixed reality now, it should just make a portal. Each time you move to a new level you go back to your real room, wait a bit and then see the portal open again to continue. Not just levels, but for applications in general. The cut to black is really off putting.
Oh my yes Immersive loading screens are great. I may be wrong but I think back in the early days of games some company patented minigames in loading screens and I think that limit has stunted loading screen development because in the beginning most people could not do it for legal reasons and nowadays flatscreen games are slow to innovate.
I think the issue is that while loading, traditionally the game tries to take up as much computing power as it can to load as fast as possible. In VR some computing power needs to be kept in backup so that when you move your head the image moves and it has to be enough so it doesn't lag like crazy and makes you sick. In flat games they can play an animation and even if the framerate isn't great it's not very obvious because you don't have control. In VR you always have to have control of the camera or you lose the VR immersion.
Having more elaborate loading screens would mean the game would either load slower because more power would need to be used for the loading screen or it would be laggy and you would basically hold your head still to not get dizzy so it would be pointless. Take alien rogue incursion for example, it loads while you can still move and it's so laggy I would rather have a normal loading screen, the seamless effect is completely ruined by the fps dropping to 10. I think it might have been ok to make the loading longer and keep better performance but idk I got a pretty good PC and the loading is still not very short and you have nothing to do while you wait really. Arken age for example just fades to black which is usually the worst because you are stuck in a black voide but the loading takes like 2-3 seconds maybe 5 if it's a bigger area, I think they could have made it so it's some kind of very bulky door with a slow animation like batman but if that means making the loading 3 times as long is it really worth it ? Like if the game requires 70% of your CPU to run smoothly there's only 30% left for the CPU to use for loading without the performance going down. I think this technique works better on standalone like in batman because the game only runs on quest 3 so it knows exactly how much headroom it has.
I think the best for PCVR would be if it could somehow make use of standalone headsets so the loading screen would run in standalone while your computer is loading. For example in alien it could pop your PDA up and you could look at your current objective, your ammo count, the map or read some lore while it loads. Since it's using the standalone processing power and not the PC there wouldn't be any lag at all. It could even just play a kind of 360 movie like say in blade and sorcery there could be a scene on a boat, that way it could have the same graphical fidelity as in PCVR and not be too obvious that it switched to standalone.
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