As someone who's been a 'tech' for 31 years now, I do NOT believe it would take a warp core reactor breach to "fool" a tech crew into leaving. Any officer could make a shipboard announcement and give all non crew personnel 5 minutes to get off the ship. Super easy! Barely and inconvenience! I LOVE your idea so much better. Crew friction, like the time the MACO'S were brought aboard Archer's Enterprise. Learn to respect and appreciate others. What a NOVEL concept for modern audiences! Two thumbs up!
Great idea to fix the episode. It’s worked before on a show called Babylon 5. A lowly maintenance crew go about fixing problems during a major battle and find a new appreciation from the top brass. The episode ‘A View from the Gallery’ was a nice departure from the standard story line. It was written by some guy named Harlan Ellison.
That's what Paramount probably said before Harlan Ellison sued them for not paying royalties on 'The City on the Edge of Forever'. Remember that episode? You know, when Star Trek was actually watchable. . .
You forgot the best fix for the show: find whoever thought that the captain having a “thing” should be a “thing” and beat them so senseless that they not only never write anything that stupid again, but go back to every script and remove any and all attempts to make the “thing” a “thing”.
Personally, I was absolutely _inspired_ to learn that The United Federation of Planets had finally developed the equivalent of Underdog's Super-Energy Pill. Too bad they immediately lost the formula and forced Captain Kirk (and all subsequent Captains) to just rely on normal human abilities....
Speed of lightning, power of thunder, fighting all who rob or plunder! Underdog! Ah, aah, aah, ah! Underdog. Underdog! Thank you for the nostalgia boost regarding one of my favorite childhood cartoons lol
@@CallMeChato Probably under the same mind-block that prevents them all from realising that anything that can be broadcast can be recorded - Which means that transporters can simply recreate anyone that dies....
I barely even realized they had taken a super serum. If you’re going to introduce something like this, there needs to be consequences that make it why no one does this sort of thing. For example, it’s slowly killing them and we see them starting to fall apart. Even if they get rescued, they might not make it. Then you can have a bit of stress at the end where the crew sees them and worries, followed by the wrap up where “if we hadn’t gotten an antidote in you when we did, 5 more minutes and you’d be dead”
Uhura's abrasive interaction with the technician who wanted to work at her station was out of character for her TOS persona, because in original Trek she was always a consummate professional and she knew how to handle herself with other people. I really don't like the way the TOS characters are portrayed in Strange New Worlds.
The Galileo Seven had an outsider on the bridge pressuring Kirk to complete their main mission, which added to the stakes of the episode. Having those outside characters on board can add to the plot. And yes, it would make more sense. A lot more than "teehee! I've been a Star Fleet officer for decades, but now I'm bored!" That episode also included Spock making a desperate decision based on emotion without having some sort of emotional outburst. This whole season is just going to character assassinations of Spock & Kirk, isn't it?
Paul you have given me the best of reasons NEVER to watch nuTrek. I will happlily sail with Picard, Sisko, Janeway and even Archer (YES I loved the cultural conflict between early Starfleet and Vulcan high command and how they both had to learn to get along with each other)
I'm hoping Carol Kane is portrayed as a theoretician whose super rusty in the field, and we get to see her shake off the rust and regain her field competence. That leaves some wiggle room for her to fail or succeed in different situations.
I think it should have gone like this: The crew attempted to steal their ship. However, this involves numerous autonomous systems both on the ship and dock. As a result, they accomplished exactly nothing except waste time. When she smugly explains how she modified her workstation, the engineers sigh and patently, as you would to a "special" child, explain that she has bypassed numerous safeguards and the helm will now need to be replaced entirely as some of the circuits are fused and it is malfunctioning. Furthermore she can expect to be brought up on charges for misuse of Federation property.
It's really quite remarkable how Starfleet, a _military_ organisation, never seems to kick out, demote, or imprison people that just do whatever they want. Wouldn't stealing a Starship qualify as treason?
the whole thing is weird really, Roddenberry wanted to make Trek an escape for people living in a time where there were various inequalities for some people. he wanted to picture a time when we were past all of that and humanity was one and people could go about their day without all sorts of bitterness and tensions with each other. now that we had finally come close to reaching that state, suddenly everyone wants to start causing tensions between different groups of people again again and now Star Trek is about a world once again full of the tensions Rodenberry wanted to imagine a world without. now Star Trek wants to CAUSE that tension rather than imaging a happy future without it.
The actor who plays Dr. M'Benga has a black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. Not sure why they didn't set that up in a prior episode so it would come in handy in later fight scenes. Having a magic potion give you Khan level strength is still silly though, and Christine especially would have broken so many bones even winning the fights she'd be in sickbay for a month.
Good solution. I've told my friends many times that it's not the casting of these shows, ROP included, that is the problem. It's the writing and the insistence of showrunners to run down certain demographic groups while pandering to the smallest of percents of the population. Most of which don't even watch. Get a new pencil, writers.
I’m very grateful for your Trek videos. They make me feel less lonely out here as I spend no small amount of time screaming (in my mind) at the television, and I now understand why Gene Roddenberry didn’t want any characters from TOS in TNG. There is very little imagination to SNW and a whole lot of theft of names, plots, etc. Chapel is something akin to a ninja rather than the kind nurse. Kyle is now Asian. You have mentioned other things that I, too, have noticed. Sorry for running on. Thank you…again.
I always liked Dr M’Benga on TOS and Babs Olusanmokun is a fantastic actor and brings a new and exciting take on him. I really hope SNW’s writers handle the character with respect and take him on some better adventures. 🖖✌️
"The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe" - McCoy. So it makes perfect sense that IT would still be the same as it is now. Edit: correcting the quote (which I had gotten completely wrong).
There's excellent historical precedent for this that could inspire many small human interest side stories. For example when the Royal Navy sortied every ship to fight the Bismark they really meant every single last ship, and that included the brand new battleship King George V which had only just been 'officially' finished and still needed a lot of work as well as basic fitting out and training, a process normally taking a year. War time speeds it up, but still months are typical. The yard admirals told the fleet admirals that the ship wasn't seaworthy and still needed a lot of work done. But the fleet admirals were entirely undeterred and just took the workers as well as the ship. So several hundred builders were given a ring side seat to one of WW2's major naval engagements. With reactions being wildly mixed... Some threw tantrums ignored the navy and said it was illegal to go into combat as they were in protected professions. Others found it an interesting diversion and just carried on. While still others felt patriotic fervor and threw themselves at the work tweaking nuts and bolts right the way through the whole battle.
I think you're thinking of the Prince of Wales rather than King George V. However something similar happened in 1982 when there were civilian technicians on board the Type 22 frigates during the Falklands conflict. These technicians were able to conduct urgent repairs on the vital Sea Wolf missile system and were also able to upgrade it while underway to allow it to engage crossing targets and thus defend other ships as well as self-defence.
Logical. Flawlessly logical 👏👏👏 And in regards to their ongoing diversity platform, it makes no sense because nearly every other show and movie has diversity! In the 1960s, it was a pretty big deal. Today, almost every streaming service or theatrical release has dozens of shows with a variety of ethnicity, religions, and/or sexual preferences. There reaches a point where, if everyone else is doing it, you aren't that special. So just write a good story and make the hero, whoever makes the most sense.
I like your fix. The maintenance team and the crew bond, and both learn to appreciate the difficulties in both jobs. Ortegas has an opportunity to demonstrate why she changed the interface, and the tech says he'll see about integrating her improvement into other Starships. I think this fits better into the idea of Star Trek cooperation and advancement. But I don't think Scotty would have kind words for anyone tweaking his ship. (ALSO the idea that the tech would be concerned about her customizing the interface is silly.)
I think it would be better if the tech's response to her personalization was akin to a current IT tech reacting to someone bragging about changing the background of their desktop, or personalizing their screensaver: "yeah, everyone does that", or "cool. The 2nd watch helm on the Constellation made theirs all pink and you had to give all voice commands by addressing the ship as 'Barbie', whatever that means". The point being that Ortegas, and by extension the flight crew, are NOT exponentially better than everyone else Starfleet, particularly not better than the people who build it and keep it running. Regardless, we both agree with Chato. Cheers.
@@liamrobinson2084 I agree. But the people that actually use your hardware/software provide the best feedback as to how to improve it for real-world use. No one could have foreseen Ortegas piloting the Enterprise like a fighter jet, except the SNW writers.
Wow... that's a great change. I had two massive issues with the episode from a Star Trek PoV. 1. Spock shouldn't have to steal the ship nor would anybody ever do that under normal circumstances. 2. The Murder Juice "barely an inconvenience" fix. Star Fleet would have let Spock go like you said. Makes perfect sense. The idea to have IT aid in the fix would have been awesome cause yes, people hate IT (I was in IT). Also, it makes use of the damn guest star by saving the day rather than making Spock look dumb. Fixing #2 is not having it. The two should have been clever about how to get out of that mess, or at least, clever enough to get to that air-lock w/o turning into supreme warriors. They should have used stealth and medical wits to get away from the Klingons who they'd know where adept warriors. The fast food star trek is such a good description. For me, sure, keep the new look, the all female crew. But at least try to be Star Trek using smart writing. What pains me about ST:Dis/ST:SNW/ST:Picard-S1&2 is the fact that HUGE amounts of money are being tossed at Star Trek. Just care a bit about the writing and canon and they'd see a loyal fanbase propping it up. That fan base tuned in for ST:Dis and ran away. They are constantly trying to build up a new fan base and by all known measures... nobody is watching. Just a waste.
I enjoyed your alternate script, to be honest I would have watched the hell out of shows with scripts like that. It feels like a fun and adventurous universe I would want to try and be part of. I'm tired of watching shows like this then thinking about them later and coming up with infinitely better story points and scripts than they ever could have. Watching Babylon 5, DS9, Red dwarf, you name it I've watched it I'm starting to feel like my old grandpa who would watch nothing but cowboy shows when I was a kid.
“Drive thru, fast food Trek” if the show’s team stated this… wow, this is opposite everything that Roddenberry wanted it to be. Video titled “USS YORKTOWN - earth approach” by Lewis Niven has strong TMP vibes and really nails the feel of what Star Trek should be.
"Limitations make for challenges that forces writers to come up with clever solutions." That's it, in a nutshell. This is why you don't make a person or a situation "all powerful". (Think Ms. Marvel or "The Snap" of the MCU.) Limit people's powers and/or abilities and they're a LOT more interesting, not to mention RELATABLE. But then, when you value LAZINESS so highly -- like obviously, these people DO -- well, here we are...
Starfleet must not have developed the downward double hammer fists in-between the enemy's shoulders technique yet. Guaranteed to knock out even the toughest Klingon in a single blow.
Your idea sounds perfectly reasonable and would still get them the same basic story. The ep sounds like a bad role playing game where the characters have no reason to work together but they have to because that's the adventure.
That’s a good work around. Then instead of building an entire Federation ship in cave which was ridiculous, the bad guys could have refurbished a federation ship that had been disabled in the Klingon War. It would have made more sense if we had La’an captured instead of Chapel and M’Benga. As an Augment with security training, she would have had the ability to fight the Klingons and the smarts to reprogram the transponder. And as a character we hadn’t seen alive in TOS, the audience wouldn’t automatically know she would survive. I know they wanted to push the Chapel/Spock thing but the scene with his heart rate elevating in sick bay was more than enough to establish his feelings. We didn’t need to beat a dead horse. It would still have been a tough decision to destroy the fake ship even if it was a different crew member like La’an on the ship.
Wouldn't it be nice if Terry Matalas and his staff could take over SNW and do what they do best, as they did with Picard season 3? I know, It'll never happen but its always fun to dream.
I like the way you think, Paul. Your idea is a simple yet likely very effective way of presenting the problem du jour and the inevitable solution in a much more palatable way. I like it. But the writers seem both unwilling and incapable of thinking outside the tiniest of boxes... yet, those boxes are plenty large enough to hold their miniscule amount of talent. My biggest gripe with nu-Trek is that it is called Star Trek. Had they left that venerable franchise intact and simply peddled their wares as, say, Space Tripping, a whole new "politically correct" series, at least I could ignore it without feeling angry. Because that is exactly how I feel, knowing how my favourite franchise has been utterly ruined.
I want to know how you perfectly matched the color of your AC wall register to the tone of the wood. I’m not kidding, that could have taken ages to get it just right. Or is that not what I’m seeing? Also, I’m not sure I agree with the premise of “our Trek” vs “their Trek,” as though they’re equally valid. If the essence of the show remains, the set dressing doesn’t matter. “Their Trek” just means Trek so poorly executed as to be unrecognizable.
New Trek should use the slogan "if it's not broken, we'll fix it!" as their scriptwriters seem bend on changing good stablished elements of the original story for the worse! Poor Mr Spock!
All Kurtzman products are garbage and can't be fixed. Fans' hopes are now pinned on Terry Matalas' Legacy. Matalas is an old fan of the franchise and loves and respects it. He just pulled off the miracle of improving Picard after making S3. Kurtzman is to Star Trek what Kathleen Kennedy is to Star Wars, and Matalas is to Star Trek what Filoni is to Star Wars.
I was in the US Navy. A ship in drydock doesn't leave drydock, generally CAN'T leave drydock. That's when work that requires major systems to be down, stuff like the engines, life support, main computer, etc. Maybe even doing hull repairs. I like your changes except for them taking the Enterprise. Taking another ship would be necessary, maybe one staffed w/ shipyard workers (for some reason) to still let shipyard workers provide the solutions you spoke of, or at least the unfamiliar crew of this "other ship" would have to work with the Enterprise crew.
Excellent fix. It'll never happen, but your version would be much better. The thing is, it would require the possibility of respecting those who built "the system", which is antithetical to "New Drek".
Good plot fix. Maybe with his new-found emotions, they should show Spock in his quarters wearing a skirt while playing that lute. And sipping some pumpkin spice chai tea.
I really like your fix, too bad they would not let you review their scripts looking forward to ep 2 and 5 as per Robert Burnett's video. Looking forward to your review of those as well
Good concept. Stealing the ship felt too cliche. I mean he did do it in The Menagerie to save Pike, but I like your idea better. The ship has to go with the maintenance crew so we get the Enterprise crew working together with the maintenance team and they gain a better understanding of each other. A classic Trek "co-exist and learn" message.
Plot analysis: Dad leaves for the weekend to meet Mom. Kids take an unauthorized road trip. Crazy aunt gets in back seat. Mumbling uncle brings some awesome drugs. The whole thing ends at a biker bar downing shots. Cool.
I am glad we live in the modern age where shows only run 10 episodes. no one should have to suffer through 22 or 26 episodes of fanfiction. I'm going to watch the other Nine episodes in this train once as it is only 44 minutes a week I'll never get back
I greatly appreciate your fix... it has all kinds of opportunity for character interaction with the IT staff and if memory serves, Star Fleet is about everyone working together - isn't it? It seems that with NuTrek, Star Fleet is often at odds with our starships and its crew. What does that say when the organization that they work for is more of an antagonist than the actual villains of the story? How many times does Star Fleet need to be 'reminded' by our heroes what the Star Fleet is all about? That's what make The Orville refreshing is that the space organization that the heroes work for supports our heroes whenever they can. I think the NuTrek writers have a mandate to get to the pew-pew as quick as possible, which leaves character development and more interesting story possibilities to fall by the wayside. Or is it starside, since it's in space? And a note to the the writers: the crew can't steal the starship Enterprise every other episode, or Star Fleet will begin to catch on.
I'll have to take exception to your comment that we 'old guys' need to let go as SNW (and the other Star Dreck spinoffs) are not our Trek anymore. It does matter, is should matter that the current reimagining shows are a purposed subversion of the originals as this reflects what is happening at large in society for actual history. It is Orwellian in it's concept and execution; to 'fix' the past in order to sever all sense of tradition/values/culture to 'fit' what the narrative is for the immediate present. The past matters - it must.
If only Gen Z actually read books, they could appreciate your reference. Although a significant negative about their reading Winston Smith’s literary trek is that they would gleefully adopt all things IngSoc (they unwittingly have made a good head start) and build an extra-commodious Room 101 to re-educate us old timers within.
"Good" isn't what they're after. High ESG scores are what they're after. The audience they're genuflecting towards are BlackRock, Vanguard, and the like. "Good" can be a happy accident, but it's no longer the goal.
There's so much potential for this show within the canon of TOS that it's infuriating, for one thing you had the outline of a crew from the Cage , a couple better developed like Number One and the Doctor, but room to build so many new characters or developing the minor characters, writing Spock's character ark from his demeanor in the cage to the Corbomite maneuver but alas why develope new characters and stories when you have old ones to screw up
way too logical for new writers to think of this. you are 1 000 % correct. the relentless hammering home of „the message“ will sink Paramount just as it already has the CW. They are producing a product for 10% of the viewers that could be interested. What‘s hilarious: Pike is carrying this show! We hopped in the first available escape pod and got off Discovery together with Pike….to never return.
Here's my thoughts on this episode which I have not seen; isn't the introduction of *"IT"* personnel a bit of a break from canon to begin with? Engineers have always handled the hardest "networking and hardware" stuff and everything else is basic knowledge from training at Starfleet. I don't know, just seems like an unnecessary "modernization". 😅
Beyond the problems with the plot and characterizations, the fact is, that other than Pike, I don't want to hang around with any of these people. There are actually a couple of crewmembers that I really dislike. This has never happened with Star Trek before and I've been watching it since 1966.
Unfortunately, New Trek has been shielded by streaming services. Had this been on a standard Network, where ratings actually mean something, New Trek would have been cancelled by Episode Six of Discovery's first season.
I agree 100%. Your version is infinitely better. The new showrunners have clearly set their phasers to WOKE, which they are being progressive at warp 12. All good wishes!
Over the years I would, on occasion, watch a romantic comedy with my wife. She in turn would watch science fiction programs with me. These two worlds have merged. It seems like hollywood got rid of the science fiction writers and hired romantic comedy writers for "my" shows. On a darker note: The cast of SNW reminds me of Muammar Gaddafi's bodyguards, or a cult leader surrounding himself with mostly women. It is indeed a strange new world.
I had to go searching for this because for some odd reason it turned out I was magically unsubscribed! I’ve heard of this happening to other channels that don’t ‘toe the line’, this is the first time I’ve seen it happen with my feed. REsubscribed ✓! Keep doing what you do! 👍🏻
You probably should inject the super serum before watching this show. Inject, watch, it's wearing off, reinject STAT, watch, ahhh it's over. So Paul what happened? Paul: I, I, really have no clue.
someone commented on a fb page about Chapel and M'Benga fighting, mentioning also that Chapel's very thin arms looked ridiculous during the fight, that how were we to believe that her body could sustain such physical combat and that she would have been covered in bruises if not severely injured. Most of the action was filmed the dark, so we couldn't really see that was happening other than a few punches and kicks. What I consider Season 2's sole purpose is to facilitate the Chapel-Spock hook up and to further the Gorn as enemies. As a person who works in the information technology field, this episode was especially egregious to me because of the way the women crew treated the IT people. It shows that the writers have little to no work environment experience outside of Hollywood and little understanding of how important IT is and would be to something like a highly sophisticated starship. As you mentioned, there are tons of plot holes.But all the episodes have tons of plot holes because the writing is terrible and according to Kurtman, we are to blame.
Oh yeah, that makes lots of sense! I like that story. The whole sudden decision to “Steal the enterprise” had no build up, no emotion or consequences connected to it then or in the end. Just a see through plot device, totally took me out of the show. I at least expected Spock to take some time to logic out the solution in a 3D chess kind of way (as an OG Spock fan would)…Even maybe struggle with the ethics of violating Starfleet but needing to save a friend. But it was all just a NOTHING BURGER. The phrase “Somehow, Palpantine has returned” comes to mind. (Sorry for Mixing drinks there, but they deserve it with that lazy story. The first season, while it had its issues, I was mildly excited about and thought they could really have a new Star Trek show on their hands. But, as usual, they just can’t help but ruin it with bad story telling and politics.
I agree with you 💯 Chato ... But these Nu-Trek( the Tik-Tok, Twitter teenagers in space show) writers can't see past identity politics to make a good story 🤷🏾♂️ I guess Picard season 3 probably will be last good Trek we will have for a while 😢
Simpler fix while staying within canon. Change the conversation between Spock and April. April allows the mission but wants deniability to protect himself, starfleet and the Federation. If things go wrong Spock and the Enterprise can be thrown under the bus, anyone remember the episode The Enterprise Incident. Great character arc for Spock and the primary crew, as they decide to go or not,(Star Trek 3 The Search for Spock), and how to go about getting the civilians off the ship. Maybe even have a scene between Spock and Carol Kane's character enlisting her help, since she is in command of the techs.
Some of you have been commenting on the recent odd production values. I’m out and about and just using available communication technologies.
Do what you gotta do...👍
Glossy production is nice, but it's the interesting concepts and adept communication of ideas that keeps people around and watching!
Direct from the cabin, the series. (do not spoil that we do not all live in cabins up here, it adds to the manliness quotient)
That background screams Canada... Half My family has a room that looks like that... Being Irish/Canadian that's a lot of people in Canada...
I think it is cool that you are filming on location 😊
As someone who's been a 'tech' for 31 years now, I do NOT believe it would take a warp core reactor breach to "fool" a tech crew into leaving. Any officer could make a shipboard announcement and give all non crew personnel 5 minutes to get off the ship. Super easy! Barely and inconvenience! I LOVE your idea so much better. Crew friction, like the time the MACO'S were brought aboard Archer's Enterprise. Learn to respect and appreciate others. What a NOVEL concept for modern audiences! Two thumbs up!
Your analysis is solid.
Someone watches Pitch Meeting. As for ethnicity inclusions, all they have to do is get Jess Bush to speak with her normal aussie accent
Watching Pitch meeting is TIGHT!
It was pretty easy to simulate a core breach... Took all of 30 seconds...
Making an announcement would be tight.
You are SPOT-ON with your analysis and proposed changes/corrections. You speak for the unheard majority. Please keep up the great work!!!!!
Great idea to fix the episode.
It’s worked before on a show called Babylon 5.
A lowly maintenance crew go about fixing problems during a major battle and find a new appreciation from the top brass.
The episode ‘A View from the Gallery’ was a nice departure from the standard story line.
It was written by some guy named Harlan Ellison.
Some guy named Ellison?*****😀
That's what Paramount probably said before Harlan Ellison sued them for not paying royalties on 'The City on the Edge of Forever'. Remember that episode? You know, when Star Trek was actually watchable. . .
@@บัวสีโรเจอร์-ศ9ฝ Harlan was pretty feisty, RIP.
My favourite ep because it was so random.
I never watched these new ST series, watching Paul do his thing is far more entertaining and fun for me.
You forgot the best fix for the show: find whoever thought that the captain having a “thing” should be a “thing” and beat them so senseless that they not only never write anything that stupid again, but go back to every script and remove any and all attempts to make the “thing” a “thing”.
Personally, I was absolutely _inspired_ to learn that The United Federation of Planets had finally developed the equivalent of Underdog's Super-Energy Pill. Too bad they immediately lost the formula and forced Captain Kirk (and all subsequent Captains) to just rely on normal human abilities....
There's that too. Once you unleash the secret formula do you abandon it?
Speed of lightning, power of thunder, fighting all who rob or plunder! Underdog! Ah, aah, aah, ah! Underdog. Underdog!
Thank you for the nostalgia boost regarding one of my favorite childhood cartoons lol
@@CallMeChato Probably under the same mind-block that prevents them all from realising that anything that can be broadcast can be recorded - Which means that transporters can simply recreate anyone that dies....
Maybe they found out it was addictive and had horrendous side effects!
I barely even realized they had taken a super serum. If you’re going to introduce something like this, there needs to be consequences that make it why no one does this sort of thing. For example, it’s slowly killing them and we see them starting to fall apart. Even if they get rescued, they might not make it. Then you can have a bit of stress at the end where the crew sees them and worries, followed by the wrap up where “if we hadn’t gotten an antidote in you when we did, 5 more minutes and you’d be dead”
Uhura's abrasive interaction with the technician who wanted to work at her station was out of character for her TOS persona, because in original Trek she was always a consummate professional and she knew how to handle herself with other people. I really don't like the way the TOS characters are portrayed in Strange New Worlds.
The Galileo Seven had an outsider on the bridge pressuring Kirk to complete their main mission, which added to the stakes of the episode. Having those outside characters on board can add to the plot. And yes, it would make more sense. A lot more than "teehee! I've been a Star Fleet officer for decades, but now I'm bored!"
That episode also included Spock making a desperate decision based on emotion without having some sort of emotional outburst. This whole season is just going to character assassinations of Spock & Kirk, isn't it?
Paul you have given me the best of reasons NEVER to watch nuTrek. I will happlily sail with Picard, Sisko, Janeway and even Archer (YES I loved the cultural conflict between early Starfleet and Vulcan high command and how they both had to learn to get along with each other)
No doubt in my mind that you should be running the show. You know what you're talking about. They don't.
Great fix and a good addition for character conflict aboard the ship. Would also give Carol Kane more to work with as well.
Absolutely exactly. We learn about her competency.
Gotta admit, I'm not thrilled with the choice of Kane as her voice/personality drives me nuts.
@@aerochicc This is at least the second comedian nuTrek has put in engineering. They don't know how to write engineer.
I'm hoping Carol Kane is portrayed as a theoretician whose super rusty in the field, and we get to see her shake off the rust and regain her field competence. That leaves some wiggle room for her to fail or succeed in different situations.
this channel is one of the best. Informed, intelligent and reasoned instead of shouty and angry
I think it should have gone like this:
The crew attempted to steal their ship. However, this involves numerous autonomous systems both on the ship and dock. As a result, they accomplished exactly nothing except waste time.
When she smugly explains how she modified her workstation, the engineers sigh and patently, as you would to a "special" child, explain that she has bypassed numerous safeguards and the helm will now need to be replaced entirely as some of the circuits are fused and it is malfunctioning. Furthermore she can expect to be brought up on charges for misuse of Federation property.
It's really quite remarkable how Starfleet, a _military_ organisation, never seems to kick out, demote, or imprison people that just do whatever they want. Wouldn't stealing a Starship qualify as treason?
the whole thing is weird really, Roddenberry wanted to make Trek an escape for people living in a time where there were various inequalities for some people. he wanted to picture a time when we were past all of that and humanity was one and people could go about their day without all sorts of bitterness and tensions with each other. now that we had finally come close to reaching that state, suddenly everyone wants to start causing tensions between different groups of people again again and now Star Trek is about a world once again full of the tensions Rodenberry wanted to imagine a world without. now Star Trek wants to CAUSE that tension rather than imaging a happy future without it.
As a nerdy white straight man who has spent 30 years in IT, I would LOVE this!
The actor who plays Dr. M'Benga has a black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. Not sure why they didn't set that up in a prior episode so it would come in handy in later fight scenes. Having a magic potion give you Khan level strength is still silly though, and Christine especially would have broken so many bones even winning the fights she'd be in sickbay for a month.
Good solution. I've told my friends many times that it's not the casting of these shows, ROP included, that is the problem. It's the writing and the insistence of showrunners to run down certain demographic groups while pandering to the smallest of percents of the population. Most of which don't even watch. Get a new pencil, writers.
This is the most Canadian looking house I've ever seen.
Does that mean I'm secretly Canadian? Because I love wood paneling!
looks like he invaded my uncles cottage and is hiding in the basement :D
It's very Midwestern
It reminds me of my parents family room.
We just need the big ass moose head
I’m very grateful for your Trek videos. They make me feel less lonely out here as I spend no small amount of time screaming (in my mind) at the television, and I now understand why Gene Roddenberry didn’t want any characters from TOS in TNG. There is very little imagination to SNW and a whole lot of theft of names, plots, etc. Chapel is something akin to a ninja rather than the kind nurse. Kyle is now Asian. You have mentioned other things that I, too, have noticed. Sorry for running on. Thank you…again.
I always liked Dr M’Benga on TOS and Babs Olusanmokun is a fantastic actor and brings a new and exciting take on him. I really hope SNW’s writers handle the character with respect and take him on some better adventures. 🖖✌️
I think the easiest way to fix NuTrek is by taking it off the air and then pretending it never existed.
"The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe" - McCoy.
So it makes perfect sense that IT would still be the same as it is now.
Edit: correcting the quote (which I had gotten completely wrong).
*The beaureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe
@@MichaelDavis-cy4ok Oops. Sorry about that. Just another reason why some movies can not be watched too many times!
There's excellent historical precedent for this that could inspire many small human interest side stories.
For example when the Royal Navy sortied every ship to fight the Bismark they really meant every single last ship, and that included the brand new battleship King George V which had only just been 'officially' finished and still needed a lot of work as well as basic fitting out and training, a process normally taking a year. War time speeds it up, but still months are typical.
The yard admirals told the fleet admirals that the ship wasn't seaworthy and still needed a lot of work done. But the fleet admirals were entirely undeterred and just took the workers as well as the ship. So several hundred builders were given a ring side seat to one of WW2's major naval engagements. With reactions being wildly mixed... Some threw tantrums ignored the navy and said it was illegal to go into combat as they were in protected professions. Others found it an interesting diversion and just carried on. While still others felt patriotic fervor and threw themselves at the work tweaking nuts and bolts right the way through the whole battle.
I think you're thinking of the Prince of Wales rather than King George V. However something similar happened in 1982 when there were civilian technicians on board the Type 22 frigates during the Falklands conflict. These technicians were able to conduct urgent repairs on the vital Sea Wolf missile system and were also able to upgrade it while underway to allow it to engage crossing targets and thus defend other ships as well as self-defence.
Logical. Flawlessly logical 👏👏👏 And in regards to their ongoing diversity platform, it makes no sense because nearly every other show and movie has diversity! In the 1960s, it was a pretty big deal. Today, almost every streaming service or theatrical release has dozens of shows with a variety of ethnicity, religions, and/or sexual preferences. There reaches a point where, if everyone else is doing it, you aren't that special. So just write a good story and make the hero, whoever makes the most sense.
I like your fix. The maintenance team and the crew bond, and both learn to appreciate the difficulties in both jobs. Ortegas has an opportunity to demonstrate why she changed the interface, and the tech says he'll see about integrating her improvement into other Starships. I think this fits better into the idea of Star Trek cooperation and advancement.
But I don't think Scotty would have kind words for anyone tweaking his ship.
(ALSO the idea that the tech would be concerned about her customizing the interface is silly.)
I think it would be better if the tech's response to her personalization was akin to a current IT tech reacting to someone bragging about changing the background of their desktop, or personalizing their screensaver: "yeah, everyone does that", or "cool. The 2nd watch helm on the Constellation made theirs all pink and you had to give all voice commands by addressing the ship as 'Barbie', whatever that means". The point being that Ortegas, and by extension the flight crew, are NOT exponentially better than everyone else Starfleet, particularly not better than the people who build it and keep it running. Regardless, we both agree with Chato. Cheers.
@@liamrobinson2084 I agree. But the people that actually use your hardware/software provide the best feedback as to how to improve it for real-world use.
No one could have foreseen Ortegas piloting the Enterprise like a fighter jet, except the SNW writers.
Wow... that's a great change. I had two massive issues with the episode from a Star Trek PoV. 1. Spock shouldn't have to steal the ship nor would anybody ever do that under normal circumstances. 2. The Murder Juice "barely an inconvenience" fix.
Star Fleet would have let Spock go like you said. Makes perfect sense. The idea to have IT aid in the fix would have been awesome cause yes, people hate IT (I was in IT). Also, it makes use of the damn guest star by saving the day rather than making Spock look dumb.
Fixing #2 is not having it. The two should have been clever about how to get out of that mess, or at least, clever enough to get to that air-lock w/o turning into supreme warriors. They should have used stealth and medical wits to get away from the Klingons who they'd know where adept warriors.
The fast food star trek is such a good description. For me, sure, keep the new look, the all female crew. But at least try to be Star Trek using smart writing. What pains me about ST:Dis/ST:SNW/ST:Picard-S1&2 is the fact that HUGE amounts of money are being tossed at Star Trek. Just care a bit about the writing and canon and they'd see a loyal fanbase propping it up. That fan base tuned in for ST:Dis and ran away. They are constantly trying to build up a new fan base and by all known measures... nobody is watching.
Just a waste.
I enjoyed your alternate script, to be honest I would have watched the hell out of shows with scripts like that. It feels like a fun and adventurous universe I would want to try and be part of.
I'm tired of watching shows like this then thinking about them later and coming up with infinitely better story points and scripts than they ever could have.
Watching Babylon 5, DS9, Red dwarf, you name it I've watched it I'm starting to feel like my old grandpa who would watch nothing but cowboy shows when I was a kid.
“Drive thru, fast food Trek” if the show’s team stated this… wow, this is opposite everything that Roddenberry wanted it to be. Video titled “USS YORKTOWN - earth approach” by Lewis Niven has strong TMP vibes and really nails the feel of what Star Trek should be.
Your content concerning Star Trek could be the only thing keeping the franchise alive atm. I salute your efforts!
"Limitations make for challenges that forces writers to come up with clever solutions." That's it, in a nutshell. This is why you don't make a person or a situation "all powerful". (Think Ms. Marvel or "The Snap" of the MCU.) Limit people's powers and/or abilities and they're a LOT more interesting, not to mention RELATABLE. But then, when you value LAZINESS so highly -- like obviously, these people DO -- well, here we are...
IT staff save the day -
"Have you tried turning it off & on again....."
That is not a cup holder
Starfleet must not have developed the downward double hammer fists in-between the enemy's shoulders technique yet. Guaranteed to knock out even the toughest Klingon in a single blow.
Your idea sounds perfectly reasonable and would still get them the same basic story. The ep sounds like a bad role playing game where the characters have no reason to work together but they have to because that's the adventure.
That’s a good work around.
Then instead of building an entire Federation ship in cave which was ridiculous, the bad guys could have refurbished a federation ship that had been disabled in the Klingon War. It would have made more sense if we had La’an captured instead of Chapel and M’Benga. As an Augment with security training, she would have had the ability to fight the Klingons and the smarts to reprogram the transponder. And as a character we hadn’t seen alive in TOS, the audience wouldn’t automatically know she would survive.
I know they wanted to push the Chapel/Spock thing but the scene with his heart rate elevating in sick bay was more than enough to establish his feelings. We didn’t need to beat a dead horse. It would still have been a tough decision to destroy the fake ship even if it was a different crew member like La’an on the ship.
Wouldn't it be nice if Terry Matalas and his staff could take over SNW and do what they do best, as they did with Picard season 3? I know, It'll never happen but its always fun to dream.
Love that sofa and wall.
The 4 on the floor episode where you, as cops, threatened to put on lipstick and come in kissing blew my mind as a kid. Thank you😊
I like the way you think, Paul. Your idea is a simple yet likely very effective way of presenting the problem du jour and the inevitable solution in a much more palatable way. I like it. But the writers seem both unwilling and incapable of thinking outside the tiniest of boxes... yet, those boxes are plenty large enough to hold their miniscule amount of talent.
My biggest gripe with nu-Trek is that it is called Star Trek. Had they left that venerable franchise intact and simply peddled their wares as, say, Space Tripping, a whole new "politically correct" series, at least I could ignore it without feeling angry. Because that is exactly how I feel, knowing how my favourite franchise has been utterly ruined.
I want to know how you perfectly matched the color of your AC wall register to the tone of the wood. I’m not kidding, that could have taken ages to get it just right. Or is that not what I’m seeing?
Also, I’m not sure I agree with the premise of “our Trek” vs “their Trek,” as though they’re equally valid. If the essence of the show remains, the set dressing doesn’t matter. “Their Trek” just means Trek so poorly executed as to be unrecognizable.
New Trek should use the slogan "if it's not broken, we'll fix it!" as their scriptwriters seem bend on changing good stablished elements of the original story for the worse!
Poor Mr Spock!
There is nothing more precious than a smiling hungarian
I love the wood paneling!
Love the room and furniture!
AS Canadian as it gets.
I’m waiting for the yapping dog to run through the room .
All Kurtzman products are garbage and can't be fixed. Fans' hopes are now pinned on Terry Matalas' Legacy. Matalas is an old fan of the franchise and loves and respects it. He just pulled off the miracle of improving Picard after making S3. Kurtzman is to Star Trek what Kathleen Kennedy is to Star Wars, and Matalas is to Star Trek what Filoni is to Star Wars.
naw naw Filoni is overrated af... At least Star Trek has Matalas, whereas Star Wars is doomed! Doomed I say.
You had me until Filoni
Love the cottage, reminds me of my days as a kid on the countryside during summer holidays.
I was in the US Navy. A ship in drydock doesn't leave drydock, generally CAN'T leave drydock. That's when work that requires major systems to be down, stuff like the engines, life support, main computer, etc. Maybe even doing hull repairs. I like your changes except for them taking the Enterprise. Taking another ship would be necessary, maybe one staffed w/ shipyard workers (for some reason) to still let shipyard workers provide the solutions you spoke of, or at least the unfamiliar crew of this "other ship" would have to work with the Enterprise crew.
Your fix reminds me of a B5 episode written by Harlan Ellison (iirc) with maintenance crew as the focus.
Or SG-1's "The other Guys"
From a comment you made in another video - yes Bull Terriers bring a lot of mayhem in to the house, but worth it.
Excellent fix. It'll never happen, but your version would be much better. The thing is, it would require the possibility of respecting those who built "the system", which is antithetical to "New Drek".
Yes, respect the system.
Good plot fix. Maybe with his new-found emotions, they should show Spock in his quarters wearing a skirt while playing that lute. And sipping some pumpkin spice chai tea.
PC, your change to the script makes it 10 times better.
I really like your fix, too bad they would not let you review their scripts looking forward to ep 2 and 5 as per Robert Burnett's video. Looking forward to your review of those as well
Yep, good plotting ideas, Chato! The rising tide lifts all boats.
Thank you Paul! I love your comments and reviews.
Good concept. Stealing the ship felt too cliche. I mean he did do it in The Menagerie to save Pike, but I like your idea better. The ship has to go with the maintenance crew so we get the Enterprise crew working together with the maintenance team and they gain a better understanding of each other. A classic Trek "co-exist and learn" message.
Plot analysis:
Dad leaves for the weekend to meet Mom.
Kids take an unauthorized road trip.
Crazy aunt gets in back seat.
Mumbling uncle brings some awesome drugs.
The whole thing ends at a biker bar downing shots.
Cool.
wait, people don't like IT guys? 😟 and they all make fun of us? 🥺 … I … 😧
IT shenanigans are always good, like the affectionate computer in Assignment: Earth, the Gary Seven episode.
"I want the show to go.
Now!"😂😂😂
That looks like a comfortable living room.
That, Wood Paneling reminds me of my Grandmother's Basement
I am glad we live in the modern age where shows only run 10 episodes. no one should have to suffer through 22 or 26 episodes of fanfiction. I'm going to watch the other Nine episodes in this train once as it is only 44 minutes a week I'll never get back
He in a holodeck simulating hoow the ship rocks so hard when under fire.😂
I greatly appreciate your fix... it has all kinds of opportunity for character interaction with the IT staff and if memory serves, Star Fleet is about everyone working together - isn't it? It seems that with NuTrek, Star Fleet is often at odds with our starships and its crew. What does that say when the organization that they work for is more of an antagonist than the actual villains of the story? How many times does Star Fleet need to be 'reminded' by our heroes what the Star Fleet is all about? That's what make The Orville refreshing is that the space organization that the heroes work for supports our heroes whenever they can. I think the NuTrek writers have a mandate to get to the pew-pew as quick as possible, which leaves character development and more interesting story possibilities to fall by the wayside. Or is it starside, since it's in space? And a note to the the writers: the crew can't steal the starship Enterprise every other episode, or Star Fleet will begin to catch on.
I'll have to take exception to your comment that we 'old guys' need to let go as SNW (and the other Star Dreck spinoffs) are not our Trek anymore.
It does matter, is should matter that the current reimagining shows are a purposed subversion of the originals as this reflects what is happening at large in society for actual history.
It is Orwellian in it's concept and execution; to 'fix' the past in order to sever all sense of tradition/values/culture to 'fit' what the narrative is for the immediate present.
The past matters - it must.
If only Gen Z actually read books, they could appreciate your reference. Although a significant negative about their reading Winston Smith’s literary trek is that they would gleefully adopt all things IngSoc (they unwittingly have made a good head start) and build an extra-commodious Room 101 to re-educate us old timers within.
"Good" isn't what they're after. High ESG scores are what they're after. The audience they're genuflecting towards are BlackRock, Vanguard, and the like. "Good" can be a happy accident, but it's no longer the goal.
Shambolishus, now that is a great word and I will be using it!
Your suggestion addresses basic character, plot, setting, and motivations that should have been in the script in the first place.
The problem, Paul, is that you are an educated writer, unlike the twats who arexwriting nowadays.
Reminds me of the book “Red Shirts” by John Scalzi
There's so much potential for this show within the canon of TOS that it's infuriating, for one thing you had the outline of a crew from the Cage , a couple better developed like Number One and the Doctor, but room to build so many new characters or developing the minor characters, writing Spock's character ark from his demeanor in the cage to the Corbomite maneuver but alas why develope new characters and stories when you have old ones to screw up
I've stopped thinking of this show as having actors playing characters.
The characters are just vehicles for the plot of that episode to happen.
I have the same wood panel in my basement growing up. Lol
way too logical for new writers to think of this. you are 1 000 % correct. the relentless hammering home of „the message“ will sink Paramount just as it already has the CW. They are producing a product for 10% of the viewers that could be interested. What‘s hilarious: Pike is carrying this show! We hopped in the first available escape pod and got off Discovery together with Pike….to never return.
“Why bother?! Just… cause….”
Great suggestion! It's the kind of thing TNG would have done in a heartbeat as a B story.
Good plot correction.
My Crossover idea. Chapel gets power armor and spock quanta rays that turn him into the Vulk.
Here's my thoughts on this episode which I have not seen; isn't the introduction of *"IT"* personnel a bit of a break from canon to begin with? Engineers have always handled the hardest "networking and hardware" stuff and everything else is basic knowledge from training at Starfleet. I don't know, just seems like an unnecessary "modernization". 😅
That change would certainly be an improvement, plus a few more competent male members on the ship as the 3 principals have enough to do.
Gotham Knights is modeling/promoting Top Shaving; courtesy Black Rock (NYSE), pentagon contractors. Both parties are involved.
Your story plan would have been much better, Paul. You clearly have a talent for this work. Please keep sharing your thoughts with us.
That sounds like a perfect idea.
Beyond the problems with the plot and characterizations, the fact is, that other than Pike, I don't want to hang around with any of these people. There are actually a couple of crewmembers that I really dislike. This has never happened with Star Trek before and I've been watching it since 1966.
Unfortunately, New Trek has been shielded by streaming services. Had this been on a standard Network, where ratings actually mean something, New Trek would have been cancelled by Episode Six of Discovery's first season.
I agree 100%. Your version is infinitely better. The new showrunners have clearly set their phasers to WOKE, which they are being progressive at warp 12. All good wishes!
Over the years I would, on occasion, watch a romantic comedy with my wife. She in turn would watch science fiction programs with me.
These two worlds have merged. It seems like hollywood got rid of the science fiction writers and hired romantic comedy writers for "my" shows.
On a darker note:
The cast of SNW reminds me of Muammar Gaddafi's bodyguards, or a cult leader surrounding himself with mostly women.
It is indeed a strange new world.
I had to go searching for this because for some odd reason it turned out I was magically unsubscribed! I’ve heard of this happening to other channels that don’t ‘toe the line’, this is the first time I’ve seen it happen with my feed. REsubscribed ✓! Keep doing what you do! 👍🏻
You probably should inject the super serum before watching this show. Inject, watch, it's wearing off, reinject STAT, watch, ahhh it's over. So Paul what happened? Paul: I, I, really have no clue.
Sounds similar to the SG1 ep when the SGC science nerds have to help SG1 on a mission.
As a Canadian, are you a lumberjack and you’re OK, sleep all night and you work all day?
someone commented on a fb page about Chapel and M'Benga fighting, mentioning also that Chapel's very thin arms looked ridiculous during the fight, that how were we to believe that her body could sustain such physical combat and that she would have been covered in bruises if not severely injured. Most of the action was filmed the dark, so we couldn't really see that was happening other than a few punches and kicks.
What I consider Season 2's sole purpose is to facilitate the Chapel-Spock hook up and to further the Gorn as enemies. As a person who works in the information technology field, this episode was especially egregious to me because of the way the women crew treated the IT people. It shows that the writers have little to no work environment experience outside of Hollywood and little understanding of how important IT is and would be to something like a highly sophisticated starship.
As you mentioned, there are tons of plot holes.But all the episodes have tons of plot holes because the writing is terrible and according to Kurtman, we are to blame.
Remember when the water cooler talk about Trek was how good the episode was and not how to save it?
Oh yeah, that makes lots of sense! I like that story. The whole sudden decision to “Steal the enterprise” had no build up, no emotion or consequences connected to it then or in the end. Just a see through plot device, totally took me out of the show. I at least expected Spock to take some time to logic out the solution in a 3D chess kind of way (as an OG Spock fan would)…Even maybe struggle with the ethics of violating Starfleet but needing to save a friend. But it was all just a NOTHING BURGER. The phrase “Somehow, Palpantine has returned” comes to mind. (Sorry for Mixing drinks there, but they deserve it with that lazy story.
The first season, while it had its issues, I was mildly excited about and thought they could really have a new Star Trek show on their hands. But, as usual, they just can’t help but ruin it with bad story telling and politics.
I agree with you 💯 Chato ... But these Nu-Trek( the Tik-Tok, Twitter teenagers in space show) writers can't see past identity politics to make a good story 🤷🏾♂️ I guess Picard season 3 probably will be last good Trek we will have for a while 😢
Your idea is on point. 👍
Simpler fix while staying within canon. Change the conversation between Spock and April. April allows the mission but wants deniability to protect himself, starfleet and the Federation. If things go wrong Spock and the Enterprise can be thrown under the bus, anyone remember the episode The Enterprise Incident. Great character arc for Spock and the primary crew, as they decide to go or not,(Star Trek 3 The Search for Spock), and how to go about getting the civilians off the ship. Maybe even have a scene between Spock and Carol Kane's character enlisting her help, since she is in command of the techs.
The 80's called, they want their background and furniture back.....
I would watch the episode you just fixed.