Impulse Response VS Real Mic'ed Cab! (BLIND TEST Comparison)
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- Thanks for watching this blind test comparison of a real mic'ed up Marshall 4x12 1960b versus an IR or impulse response captured from the same setup. Also thanks to Justin York of York Audio for providing the actual comparison. Stay tuned for the reveal and feel free to drop some questions for Justin to answer in the reveal video alongside your guesses. Thanks!
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So, what do you guys think? Let us know in the comments where the real cab plays and where the IR plays! :)
Hi Jon! To me... impossible to guess... I listened to it with my audio technica ATH M50X and i can't hear a difference... For me it breaks some stereotypes about IR... But I have to tell that York Audio's IR are really good, i discovered it on your channel, a can't go back to OH now...
To my ears, one shot, without comparison, all way just IR.
19 seconds in it switched.
@@gilbertostefan i thought about it too 🤣
@@lesguitaresdepapa4903 that was what my ears said to me, but i am a classical guitarrist, not an eletrical, may i am wrong ☺️
I believe the IR had a slightly grainier texture around 6 - 8k, the real cab was a little woodier around the lower mids, but also had a creamier lushness I really enjoyed in the upper mids.
Just kidding, they sound exactly the same.
Haha great post
@@SonicDriveStudio 😂🤘😂🤘
I was like "what an i... oh, he's kidding!!!"
I was about to mock you until I read the last line ;) lol
👍🏻😂
As an old-school, "real amp" purist there is not enough discernable difference to prevent me from using an IR anymore. They've become that good.
They pretty much always have been. Creating the impulse response of a system is a pretty basic signal processing operation that has existed for many decades - guitarists just tend to be very traditionalist, so it took them a while to catch up ;) It kind of works like an EQ with "infinite" bands. As a speaker is a pretty linear system in terms of frequency response it's a perfect solution for speaker-mic simulations. The distortion characteristic of an amp is non-linear, which is why it's more challenging to model.
Impulse responses have been always like this. There haven't been any innovation.
Actually in the past they were used to capture reverbs. In the first 2000's people discovered that could be used to capture cabs so the trend started
thats so obvious, but did he actually use the same cables? I can CLEARLY hear one is gold-plated whilst the other one has some crappy silver-plating to the tip
😂 even tho silver is actually better for the signal quality but rusts. Clearly example z was the amp
In my experience, when you isolate all the variables properly like this, any differences are so minute as to be imperceptible in repeat blind listening tests. The gold standard is ABX testing, but TH-cam tests like this are still fun and fairly meaningful.
Great tones and playing as always!
I love that you made this fully blinded. It would take a spectrum analyzer to tell when the switches take place, which kind of proves the point. Even if you could identify the switches, my bet is that no one would consistently beat pure chance at guessing which was which.
Agreed 100%. Maybe, maaaaybe if you were playing through these realtime, you could sense a difference (?)... but in this recorded form, 99% of human ears can not discern when the switch happens. And that's the point at which the differences no longer matter!
IR 0-7 seconds
Real 7-17
IR 17- 24
Real 24-end
Yes, Real sounds more brightness and with more articulation, but it’s a little difference for listening audience
Absolutely wild guess and it's probably based more on the riff changing the notes played at each time part, but I think IR up to 8 seconds, real cab up to 17, IR up to 25.5, cab up to 31 (end). Could even be the inverse (real cab and IR swapped), but these are where I heard differences. Maybe?
I agree, I didn't notice until I listened on shitty speakers but the sound of the top end changes very slightly around those marks when the riff starts over. I think the first is the IR and the second is the Cab, I would expect the cab to have that extra top end to it, but I actually liked the first more. But it's so small I don't think I could ever actually care.
Great job Jon! I have the privilege of working with some of the worlds best players - and fool them often and it removes all skepticism.
The newest cab sims from TwoNotes sound identical to my original cabs. But there is a feel difference to me when I am near the real cabs, because I can feel the vibrations and air moving.
In this case we are hearing not Feeling and because that IR is the way to go but from the feeling Real Cab feel better but that is all. I think IR is more affordable, use less space and is very versatile than a Real Cabinet
Yeah, but I think an honest comparison is like listening to the miced up cab through a monitor speaker vs an IR. Of course a real cab will move air better when you are in front of it, but the audience will a differrent thing when it is miced up not what you hear on stage from your cab.
Or you do like I do, have a set of towers (and a decent vintage reciver with an all analog boost circuit) in addition to my monitors, that I use like a presence channel. A good IR and I can feel it in my chest.
Then get bigger studio speakers. It's that simple.
My guess is around the 8-10 sec mark. It's like there's a tiny little drop in the attack. Before that it's almost like there's a very slight vocal pop. I wonder if it's the mic picking up the air hitting it. Or maybe I'm imagining it lol. I doubt verv much I'd would be able to hear that in a full mix. Fun exercise!
Holy shit, I was waiting for a change of image to the simulation thinking it was a comparison. it was impossible to distinguish. I thought it was the same
2 things. 1. sounds great and i cannot tell them apart. 2. york audio IR's are amazing.
Struggling to find anything, but I hear the slightest harmonic enrichment/addition around 7 seconds into the test. No clue which is which, and they both sound perfectly massive. I think in my experience it comes down to whether your FRFR speakers can successfully transfer the captured tone to your ears in the room like a real cab can.
For me what didn't work at band practice/live was having me playing with IR's through an FRFR and the rest of the band using Amps and cabs.
@@collierpj This is perfectly normal. An IR replicates a miced cab heard from studio speakers (as meant to be heard in a studio recording). During a rehearsal cabs are heard as they sound in a room. Is it not predictable that they won't match?
To my ears they are identical. But if York is using his IR's that he created with the same cabs and mics used in this test, isn't that the end goal? And hats off to York for accomplishing that. Also, the differences between real tube amps and amp sims are getting slimmer but still more noticeable than the differences between IR's and real cabs.
As someone else said, I noticed the change around the 8-9 second mark which is when I think the IR kicks in. In my experience they have a tad less low end. No way you would ever know or care in a mix. It is a pride thing. I'd love to know what the chain is. Which load and whether you tapped off the load or before the load as that makes a diff.
I love this guy. He is a great commentator.
Own the Marshall 1960A Slash Vintage 4x12 box. Same sound like the sound in this video. The video was the reason I bought this cab pack from York Audio to use it with a FRFR Box. Stunning. 👌👌👌👌
It's so close it doesn't matter lol
Not sure, if I had to guess after 1 listen it would be:
- from 0s to end of 16s -> real cab
- after -> IR
I think that's true, I'd say after 14s it's the IR but tbh I'm skeptical about it as I've done some tests myself and the difference is obvious.
It would be interesting to null the IR and speaker sounds to get a more scientific insight to the difference. I couldnt hear any difference through my trusted AKG Studio headphones at least so as i see it it doesnt matter what you use.
Maybe someone already answered this, but which loadbox did you use ? Sometimes the problem is not the IR, but the loadbox itself. I'd be curious to know what you used.
I think it starts with the real amp and switches to the IR half way through. I can hear 2 things: a hint of digital fizz with the IR and a slight loss of body. It’s like the frequency balance of the guitar slightly falls apart with the IR. It’s super subtle though, it’s impressive how close they sound. In a mix this is negligible.
I'm pretty certain I can hear some extra white noise in the signal on and off, and I assume that the white noise is the indicator of when the live cab is being used, however, it's practically imperceptible, and comparing the actual TONES of the two, they are practically identical. In a mix, nobody would ever be able to tell, and they both sound fantastic
It sounds just like the same to me!
I think that IF there is a difference between IRs and a real mic'd up cab, the difference is in how the power-amp reacts to the speaker load. Since you are using a reactive load box to capture your amps the difference (if there is one) should be negligible. You ofc have to account for the fact that not every speaker, mics and other analog gear is exactly the same, but if you record a track with a certain chain and compare it to an IR made with the same chain you shouldn't hear any difference at all.
Guys, in few days I compared my new Orange cab 2x12 to the IRs I have. There is a difference: IRs lack something going around 100hz and the top end is more smooth. I would LOVE to use only IRs and not bother about cabs but sound from sm57 and the real cab is BETTER. And for the record, I used best IRs available on the market. York Audio and Drums and Tones, Bogren. Best, in my opinion, is, to order online a cab and a mic and do some tests for a week, and if you think your IRs are better just send the cab back. But I can guarantee that you will hear a much different sound from the real cab, just better. It is nothing about being a purist but about THE SOUND.
I built myself a iso cab, 2 mics, and was all happy. Then Two-Notes Torpedo Live came out, and stupid me simply ordered it - even though it was just coming back from the fair and was not yet in stores, or reviewed. I even contributed to the manual as one of the first users, ha ha. Anyway, I did A/B my recorded (hard rock) tone. Back then with Owenhammer IRs, not the stock offerings. There was no difference in quality. Amazing. I kept the iso for half a year, re-did the A/B (because I wanted to make sure) - again, same results. I dismantled my iso cab afterwards.
My guess is the real cab was first 15 seconds and the IR was back 15 seconds. The first 15 seconds 'maybe' sounded a little chewier and flubbier in the bottom end like the proximity effect of a mic on cab and the more non-linear push and pull of amp driving a real speaker.
I can not hear the difference using ATH-M30 headphones, unless I want to hear the difference. Anyway the shift was/could have been at ca. 15 sec. Nice eyesopening comparison.
Virtually identical. I've found that IRs become apparent with extreme sounds such as high squeals, tap harmonics, super-heavy palm mutes, etc - sounds that push a real speaker beyond a static IR capture.
I couldn't tell - not going to embarrass myself with some type of analogy breakdown of tone differentials - bottom line you do not need real amps/cabs/mics anymore for recording the software is so good and versitile and it sounds amazing -
Basing on very tiny details (compression of peaks) I would say: 0-7 seconds IR, 7-14 seconds real cab, 14-21 seconds IR and 21 to end real cab. But only because you told us it’s not the same thing throughout 😅
PS: listening again, it may also be A-B-B-A, where A is the IR and B is the real cab, because the third segment seems to have that tiny bit more dynamics than the last one, as I hear in the second segment.
York Audio make some of the best IRs on the market. Their custom 2x12 with the DV77s sounds so good.
Yeah man. I love that one and I hope he does more speakers in the custom York cabs. There are so many cabs I want from him though haha. I need an ENGL for one... Fingers crossed!
@@SonicDriveStudio That would be huge. An ENGL Pro 4x12 with the Warehouse Veteran 30s. Thanks for all the effort you put into your videos.
It switches halfway through. There is a hum or buzz or some kind of noise that is slightly more pronounced in the first section. They both sound great. Extremely close on this one. If the IR is the second then by gum I'll switch.
This will obviously sound the same or close, especially within heavy distortion . If you are capturing an IR with the exact same amp settings as the recording, so it is your own it with that amp/ speaker combination. The biggest issue is the difference in reactance of the speaker compared to a load box if you are using that with IR‘s in a recording setup. It would have been a better test if a plexi or similar amp would be used while just breaking up or with moderate distortion. The difference would probably be easily Heard- and much uglier
How about a blind test between expensive tube heads vs. a little overdrive pedal?
if there's a difference, I'm not hearing it. IR's are a viable and very tried and true cabinet solution.
Great stuff as always.
I love this. I just started mixing my peavey invective and my Friedman ww-20. One using a real amp and one using an IR and they sound incredible meshed together
I can't hear a difference at all. That says a lot about impulse response technology. It's so much easier to use IRs than figuring out mic placement. Plus you can get lots of variations of IRs and they don't cost nearly as much as having a large variety of cabs/speakers and mics
Excited to see the results!
The issue with IRs is that you have to work your ass off finding an IR closest to the tone you want without having to work your ass again EQ-ing it (EQ-ing stuff too much ruins it).
With mic and cab everything is easy, just place the microphone slightly to the left/right and you have something totally different without needing to do much EQ.
Can IR's replace mic and cab?
Yes in some cases, especially if you make your own and capture IRs for all intensities of your playing style and apply them accordingly.
I would use them if I didn't have access to the gear or at late night hours
Should beginners use IRs as a replacement for micing cabs? probably not as your tone vision rarely matches a random downloaded IR so you'll try to cover up from amp settings and that's where things go to shit.
Are IR-s captured by someone else useable for anyone without having to trial and error for hours?
probably not
As an IR beginner struggler that recently bought a mic it was the most satisfying thing to move the mic around until what I heard in the monitoring headphones was the same to what I was hearing in the room from the cab.
Sounds good to me. I've been recording the line out on my Mesa Recto and using a cab sim for a long time. It eliminates a lot of variables but if you have awesome mics, pres, and other nice gear, I say go old-school pure, but if you don't, you can get great recordings using IR's. If you are recording to tape obviously you'll need to go old-school all the way.
I definitely hear a switch, one has a bit of more brittle high end, hard to tell which is which, but both sound great, and in full mix context the differences would be so minor
Where do you hear the switch?
@@SonicDriveStudio at the 8ish second mark on the audio it sounds a bit different than how it started, I think thats where it switched to the cab sim
No difference. But in the room feel would be different😅 its just the sheer volume of air being pushed with a box vs pan/ monitors if you are close.
In a mix … does not matter :)! Gj!!
i didn't noticed much of a diference, maybe towards the end 02:22 of the clip it sounded a bit fuller, or maybe it's just my head playing tricks, but could the type of chords making the cab react a bit diferent.
It's crazy how the technology evolved
OMG. Impossible to guess ... no audible differences.
But if you insist ...
0 sec: A
4 sec: B
14 sec: A
18 sec: B
22 sec: A
Where B has a little bit more "air" (top end) ... a difference totally negligible in a mix. And which of those 2 is the "real cab" ... I don't know and I don't mind.
I think I spotted the difference. Its in the bottom end. Bar 5 to 9 emulation - middle two measures. Bar 1 to 4 and last four bars the cabinet. Do I win?
Stumped. Which is a good thing for me!!
I’m hoping the reveal shows he’s switching back and forth every two seconds the whole time
A question for the reveal video regarding room acoustics: does the cab placement within the room have a significant impact on the captured tone/IR? E.g. does having it closer to a corner result in a boomier bass response?
Another Q regarding load boxes: does York Audio ”voice” their IR’s for a specific reactive load box? I’ve heard significant differences between devices in some videos.
Thanks for the video! I couldn’t hear any changes.
The room definitely impacts the IR sound as does cab placement in that room and everything in the recording chain. IR's are also used for convolution reverb so room capture is kind of their thing.
My best guess: starts with the IR, switches to the real cab around 7 seconds, switches back to IR around 14sec and back to the real cab around 21 seconds till second 28.
it seems after 8 sec for instane that the tone is slightly more open, but really slightly or with bit more highs but almost unnoticeable.. btw York Impulses are awesome, I was using before from Ownhammer but after giving a try to york after seeing your videos I like it better. cheers
Once I asked a friend whether he could see the difference between Sparkling wine and French Champagne. To trick him, I proposed a blind test where I served only champagne in both glasses. I suspect SDS to have done the same trick :-D
I noticed a slight high end roll off at 1:56 (14 seconds into the clip) but idk if that’s actually an ir vs mic thing or if it’s just his picking hand being closer to the neck for that bit
So far, I only listened at low volume on my laptop speakers and not surprisingly it was difficult to hear the difference. How loud was the amp playing? It don't get the feeling of a super loud amp. At low volumes a cab almost behaves linearly (like an IR), but more of the non-linearities of the cab (speaker compression and distortion) show up, when you start pushing the cab. I look forward to the discussion with Justin - I love his IRs.
0-7 sec and 14-21 sec is real cab
7-14 sec and 21-30 sec is IR
when I play it is very important that I feel it, not only that I hear it ... so in a full band mix with good IEM there is no difference in feeling or in what I hear, at least when it comes to me but when I stand next to the cab without IEM.. .man, they haven't found a replacement for that feeling
Sounds identical to me:)
For me this is a big win for IRs. I do not think anyone from this world can hear a difference in a full band mix. I also understand how nice is to have a cab in a room, but for recording purposes, the money, time and knowlege you have to have in order to obtain, let's say, a good Mesa sound coming from a blend of a 57 and a 121 is not worth it.
That's the way Palo Domado do it !!!! IR's on studio and stage
maybe its just me but i feel a change of cab between each 4 bars. My answer would be 1st cab was real because the bass freq range punch and the 2nd the IR. anyway, i think both sounds almost identical and great.
I have a Kemper, and for me Impulse response is a mystery, is it really able to steel the soul of a back breaking amplifier + cabinet/combo? I hope so. The problem with a lot of these negotiated captures is down to the physics of chance. There are a lot of what I would call, unusable IR's as if they've captured an amp being reflected off a wall, with the wall being mic'd up. I suppose that's the wild west of captures, searching for Nevada. Saying that, there are times, I feel it's like dialing in the beautiful distortion of 'the twin' red knob amp as if it's Direct Input, dreamy stuff, and as for the Roland jazz chorus, definitely impressive, I think for cleaner amps pushing to achieve the break up point, IR is great, of course having the amp is visually more expected.
I was surprised to find that speaker distortion is a much much smaller factor than you would think. Basically nothing to care about. Power amp distortion happens wqy before that.
Yup
Would like to know how power amp section has been managed with IR.
In my opinion it is the Weak part of the chain becouse if you incorporate it in the IR it will not respond dinamically the same and it is going to behave only as an additional eq, wich is Nice but not complete, and if you use a power soak and an ir produced with a flat power amp it will behave like an additional filter wich is not supposed to be in the chain.
Anyway in this example there is no difference...
First of all, nice TIE fighter shirt Jon 🤘🏽 ok so to my ears, the switch happens at about the 16-17 second mark. The first half was the real cab and the second half was the IR. It could be the other way around! 🤷🏽♂️😂 but what made my decision was the chug on the first half was “boomy” which led me to believe it was the real cab, once it switched it wasn’t as “boomy” as before, it’s VERY SLIGHT! The second thing was the chords, they are more clear in the second half which led me to believe the second half was the IR. I hope this made sense 😅 I can’t wait for the reveal video!! My answer is first half Cab and second half IR.
:)
@@SonicDriveStudio oh no! 🤦🏽♂️ of course it wouldn’t be that easy! 😂 now I need to study it more!
@@Gizmo-st1ky you can ask yourself this: if you have to "study it more", does it even matter? I have no clue what the answer is and I'm totally fine with it :)
@@SonicDriveStudio you’re absolutely right!! I’m an IR user myself, and I love the way they sound!
to me there seems to be a slight difference from 17 seconds onwards, which sounds a bit different than the same phrase before. Also the bass seems slightly less thumpy afterwards, in comparision to before. BUT that would very well be in the range of just playing it slightly differently imho. Or in other words, i hear "somewhat of a difference" but that could just very well be normal variation in recording either or.
I don't think it's so much that they sound different as much as how much an Impulse Response has to be processed to replicate the speaker. IRs typically arent pre-eq'd so not having the real speaker tone for comparison to replicate the tone, you're left maybe with too much highs or lows and unless you made the IR yourself and can compare side by side like this video did to shape the IR to sound like the real speaker, many people will still get it wrong and the IR will sound synthetic.
I couldn't hear any obvious changes. Maybe there was something at around 9, 19, and 24 seconds where the chords sounded a tiny amount brighter or darker. But, that could easily be from slightly different pick position or angle.
I do wish there was also a "clean" demonstration, as it can be difficult to hear through high gain, overdrive, and distortion.
What I really want to know about is how useful an IR is going to be if I don't have the same gear/guitar and pickups that was used to create IR. I find that inherently problematic. Thanks
Theres a little difference, but I can't tell which one is the real thing or the Ir, IMO the IR just win the whole thing when people with high end monitors and headphones can't tell the difference, still, I preffer to record the cab, I think that I'm offering a custom service to the artist in the studio
I'm late to the game but wanna comment before i see the reveal lol. Was the mic'd clip the first 14 seconds and afterwards was the IR? Either way, a great job.
1:29 didnt know about the exisence of tone matching EQ. Can you give me any good examples of it?
Thanks for this video!
Sounds 99% identical!
My guess:
real cab 00:00 - 00:07
IR 00:07 - 00:14
real cab 00:14 - 00:21
IR 00:21 - 00:28
for recorded guitar, i can't tell any difference. very impressive. for live performance, the front of house mix would sound amazing, low stage volume, hopefully fold back wedges sound good. it's becoming very achievable to guitarists to leave their boxes in the car or at home nowadays. i'm looking at a captor x for this reason to go with my amp head for live playing.
Maybe around 7 and 10 seconds? Seems to ever so slightly get a bit tighter
I heard nothing. Pretty great. I switched from Ownhammer to York Audio a few months back and I'm finding them to sound great and are quite easy to just load up and find a great sound.
You heard nothing? There is supposed to be sound........ J/K :)
If there was any change, the change was made, in between bars or riffs or when the strumming and picking style also changed. This is nothing against your channel specifically, but every tone/sound comparison video I've seen form everyone does this. They want you to listen for a change but only make changes when other changes are also made. No one ever swaps tones mid riff, it's always at the start or end, or as stated above, the picking style will change to be more or less aggressive which alters the tone. I kind of understand how it happens. With musicians being used to doing things in time/on beat, it does feel foreign changing tones mid riff. Unless there are major tonal differences, I rarely can tell when tones are changed in these videos. Even when creators use visual cues, it doesn't really help because, more often than not, something else is changing, or restarting, so it presets the brain to possibly interpret or imagine change when there might not be any.
I'd just like to see some simple patterns chugged repeatedly with the tones being changed randomly, not in-between bars and/or measures where your brain is already suspecting them. That way if there were any tonal changes they'd jump out at you more. (If jump out makes sense.)
Exactly what I was looking for
I'm listening to this in a Kenworth Truck's on board stereo system. I cannot hear any difference. It's just goes to show these York Irs are so good the difference is basically inperceivable. The cabs are there and pretty soon all the amp sims will be aswell.
The first 7 seconds is the IR, the next is the cab. If im wrong im gonna get a captor X very soon. If im wrong, im still gonna get one within this yr lol.
Thanks for this test. Very interesting. But there's a lot of natural compression in driven tones, and I would like to hear more tests with clean and slightly driven tones too. I think the differences might be more apparent with those tests. Or maybe not...
I can spot most of the shifts but can’t tell for sure which one is the IR. I’ll name them 1 and 2 and will say which I assume to be the IR below:
0:00 - 0:07 : 1
0:07 - 0:14 : 2
0:14 - 0:17 : 1
0:17 - 0:22 : 2
0:22 - 0:27? : 1
0:27 - end : 2
1 - impulse
2 - cab and mic
Watch me be totally wrong.
It’s wild guessing but I think it’s starting with the IR. Somehow the beginning lacks a bit of distorted punch…
He keeps throwing these videos like cheese on a pan...
Just a general comment here....when i use impulses, for some reason the difference is instantly noticeable. Speaking for myself, i am unable to replicate my mic'd tone in an IR. I am guessing that your result means that on the surface, IR's are not inherently different than micing cabs - but it really depends on the quality of your capture, DI and reamp?
Also, for myself, It is just easier to track when i use a mic and amp because i dont have any latency in my monitoring. So my performance is always better. (Less to mess with in my daw). So micing has always been an efficiency gain even if I cant go back and change it after the fact.
Love the video! What is your signal path for running a tube amp into a cab IR?
There was definitely a change at 8 seconds and other at 21 seconds
No idea which is which, but something changed
Maybe it went IR - Real - IR?
Lets see...
It might change around the 14 second mark, but honestly it could just be my brain tricking me. And if that was the case, I'd say it was the IR first.
IRs are really good at representing the recorded sound from a speaker signal. However, I have found that if you are not using a speaker as a load, different load boxes can give fairly different results in term of low end (thump) and high end as well as change some of the power amp distortion. So a good reactive load is essential in my opinion.
Yeah, with real amps a reactive load can make a big difference!
Up to 14 seconds is the real Cab and after that is the IR a little darker sound? Sorry for my english
I got a Two Notes Torpedo Live a few days ago and just bought a bunch of Bogren and Ownhammer IR-packs. They sounded good, but they didn't blow me away. Then I tried the Two Notes stuff and they sounded great. I like them more than the Ownhammer and Bogren ones. Unfortunately for my financials. 😁
Have you ever tried them out?
To tell you the truth after listening with a pair of reference headphones (Sennheiser HD600) I could not tell one from the other.
I'd like to hear how different they really are maybe one reverse phase then combine them to see whats left after the canceling out. I'm sure it would be tiny.
Mathematically this is like taking the number 10, dividing it by 5 and then multiplying the result with 5 so you get 10 again and then asking if anyone can tell a difference between the old and the new 10.
...except for the discretization of the digital signal, of course. But as A) nobody can hear that difference either and B) the recording with the "real cab" is digital to begin with there is absolutely no difference to be expected.
I think it starts and ends with the real cab, with a switch to IR starting at ~7 seconds. I use IRs of my cabs a lot of the time for scratch tracks and then record through the real cabs for the final takes. With the real cab takes there is always more subtle dynamics, harmonics, and richer mid range. I can always tell the IR takes from the real cabs in my mix sessions, but I'm less sure here.
it's interesting, besause i heard that for example cab *emulations* cannot be "completely" identical to original cab due to impossibility(at least for now) of emulating some elements of speaker work, but what about ir's? is frequency spectrum capturing enough to completely copy the "real" sound or there is some nuances that differ one from another? but personally, i don't hear any differences at all, but maybe i could say that somewhere at 2nd iteration of the riff(and probably in the end) there're less of some mid overtones than at the beginning so... it may be an ir?..
Awesome validation for IRs. I feel like real amp + load + IR is the best of both worlds, with analogue saturation and digital consistency.
I'm usually in that boat too! I also just love looking at my amps and twisting the knobs. It's a different experience altogether
Tubeamp + Loadbox + IRs = Life!
I’ve always said that I prefer an actual amp over any kind of simulation, but I will honestly say that I could not tell the difference in the recording at all. I do have a question for you however, if you can’t tell the difference between the amp and IR, what’s the point, or value, in having that wall of amps behind you? Can’t you get everything those amps do for much cheaper if you just went with an IR? I’m honestly interested in your answer, and in no way trying to be contrarian.
This isn't about amps, it's about the cabinets, speakers and mics. Amps are a different story
@@SonicDriveStudio I see, so what is your opinion about amps and amp sims?
@@mountainpeakcloud8442 they can get very close these days. Some are closer than others. It's not 100% there yet but close enough for many people
@@SonicDriveStudio Got it, thanks.
No diference for me! Puting my Marshall on selling right now!
Less wheight!!
Appreciate this video
It would be cool to know the details of his signal chain if he's willing to share!
Ill throw a guess out there. Id say every 10 seconds it changes with the cab being first, then the IR. Im probably totally wrong, but Ill throw a guess out there. i think i can hear a little bit of change in the dynamics, but overall, no way would you hear the difference in a mix. No chance.
Null test the IR against the cab and see if there are any differences.
I think it starts off with the real cab and switches to the IR at about 15 seconds.
They are very very close.