Great review! I do really love the Class 180s, even after all the criticism that people give them. If maybe EMR run a double unit on the this run, it may be a lot less overcrowded, as it would be 9 or 10 coaches. The new text animations for the locations is much nicer, good work
*Insert Paul Tyreman meme here* lol, in all seriousness this is a brilliant video, I deffo think the HST's were the best ones for the summer Skegvegas services as they were 8 coaches long. The Class 180's haven't been the most reliable it has to be said but there are a number of features I like about them, especially the seats as they are comfortable.
You have only to look at the number of carriages on EMR and Cross Country Trains, and indeed a number of other operators, to see that these train companies have no interest in their passengers. They would rather stuff the carriges full than put on a few more carriages to make the passenger, their customers journeys more enjoyable. No doubt they would say this course of action is progress.
Quite correct,particularly Cross Country. In the many years of operation Cross Country are the only train operator not to increase their fleet numbers. They are always overcrowded,charge the most expensive fares and have worst customer service.
I don't want to sound like I'm defending the TOC's however it's the DFT that is the issue. The DFT broadly determine the stock needed and it's then up to the TOC to run the service. Sadly there generally aren't spare carriages lying around doing nothing anymore. New trains take years to build and accept into service.
@@Ad-gn8pl And what have the train ooerating companies done to get the dft to increase capacity. On Saturday service Euston to Crewe 4 carriages. Week days 8. Standing room only north of Milton Keynes. There are no excuses.
@@mauricehorton477 TOC'S aren't blameless but there are factors to consider. Maintenance for one - would it be more convenient to take a Unit out of service for maintenance on the evening peak on a weekday or on a weekend? In regard of TOCs and the DFT it all comes down to money and that is in short supply everywhere at the moment.
@@Ad-gn8pl This has been going on for years. TOC are the ones who know what traffic leveld are. Cross Country in particular have had their franchise for long enought make a difference. Use the railways and get treated worse than cattle on occassions. There are no excuses for the level of overcrowding on trains. I am currently waiting for a train I use every month and again today as last month it is running 20 minutes late. An hourly service to Birmingham. Abysmal service there is no excuse for.
Thanks for sharing your videos much appreciated, I live in Hartlepool so we have the Grand Central Sunderland to Kings X very comfortable trains I’ve not been on the EMR services for a few years last time was Sheffield to London St Pancras a different train than these.
Overcrowding is a constant problem on this route in the summer but with some single line bits (I think) it's difficult to increase capacity. Nice to see my bungalow at 06.54 :)
Pianos seem to be a common thing in major train stations these day. The two main stations in Glasgow where I live. That is Glasgow Central and Glasgow Queen Street both have a piano
Skegness looks like it has the platform space still for the 10 coach weekend excursions etc from years ago. Scope for a lot more local and long distance services to there.
Very interesting. You actually go through four Counties between Derby and Skegness, Bottesford (which although that service doesn't stop there) being in north Leicestershire. I travelled on the first scheduled service in the reverse direction. Due to it arriving full, no such luxury as being able to wash hands as water supply depleted and now they don't replenish the tanks at Skegmess (latter is not a typo). Overcrowding is an ongoing problem as is reliability of some of the units, despite all efforts by Eastcroft staff to keep trains running.
The most passenger-friendly design since Mark 1. The window bay spacing is the sweet spot of 1.90 metres which means that the seats and windows line up. Good seat profile with lumbar support. The carriages would make up into good loco hauled sets.
The information screens on them do still work, last time I got one from London - Nottingham they did. I'd say they work as often as WM trains, who probably average >50% of the time. Not really the end of the world with free Wi-fi.
I needed to know why don’t dig a tunnel and do an extension for the main line Train so that they could extend the unused abandoned underground stations. Why couldn’t they use the part D78 Stock train doors on the sides and also restructure the front face of the A60 and A62 stock and that includes the class 313, class 314 and class 315 remix and make them all together and also redesign them an overhead line and also make them into Five cars per units and also having three Disabled Toilets on those Five cars per units A60 and A62 stock trains and also convert the A60 and A62 stock trains into a Scania N112, Volvo TD102KF, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Engines and also put the Loud 7-Speed Voith Gearboxes even Loud 8-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Gearboxes in the A60 and A62 stock, class 313, class 314, and class 315 and also modernise the A60 and A62 stock and make it into an 11 car per unit so it could have fewer doors, more tables, computers and mobile phone chargers. A Stock Train and 8 Disabled Toilets on those A stock trains. why couldn’t we refurbish and modernise the waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel and make it bigger and extend it to the bank station, making it into a Triple-Track Railway Line so those 4 European countries such as Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden to convert the waterloo and city line Triple-Track Train tunnel into a High-Speed train? The Third Euro tunnel Triple-Track Train line to make it 11 times better for passengers so they could go from A to B. then put the modernised 11 car per unit A Stock and put them on a bigger modernised waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel so it could go to bank station to those 4 European countries such as Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. The modernised refurbished 11 cars per unit A stock could be a High Speed The Third Triple-Track Euro Tunnel Train So it is promising and 37 times a lot more possible to do this kind of project that is OK for London Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. oh by the way, could they also tunnel the Triple-Track Railway Line so it will stop from Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex so that the Passengers will go to Germany, Italy, Poland and Sweden and also extend the Triple-Track Railway Line from Bank to Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex Stations so that more people from there could go to Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden Easily. Why couldn't they extend the Piccadilly line and also build brand-new underground train stations so it could go even further right up to Clapton, Wood Street and also make another brand new tunnel train stations in Chingford could they extend the DLR? All of the classes 150, 155, 154, 117, 114, 105, and 106, will be replaced by all of the Scania N112, Volvo TD102KF, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Five carriages three disabled toilets are air conditioning trains including Highams Park for extended roots which is the Piccadilly line and the DLR trains. Could you also convert all of the 1973 stock trains into an air-conditioned maximum speed 78 km/hours (48 MPH) re-refurbished and make it into a 8 cars per unit if that will be alright, and also extend all of the Piccadilly train stations to make more space for all of the extended 8 car per unit 1973 stock air condition trains and can you also build another Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive Companies and they can order Every 17 Octagon and Hexagon shape LNER diagram unique small no.13 and unique small no.11 Boilers from those Countries such as Greece, Italy, Poland, and Sweden, can they make Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive speeds by up to 117MPH so you can try and test it on the Original Mainline so it will be much more safer for the Passengers to enjoy the 117MPH speed Limit only for HS2 and Channel Tunnel mainline services, if they needed 16 Carriages Per units can they use those class 55’s, class 44’s, class 40’s and class 43HST Diesel Locomotive’s right at the Back of those 18 Carriages Per Units so they can take over at the Back to let those Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s have a rest for those interesting Journeys Please!!!!, oh can you make all of those Coal Boxes’s 16 Tonnes for all of the 117MPH Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s so the Companies will Understand us PASSENGER’S!!! so please make sure that the Builders can do as they are Told!! And please do something about these critical Professional ideas Please Prime Minister of England, the Prime Minister of Sweden, the Prime Minister of Germany, the Prime Minister of Italy, the Prime Minister of Poland and that Includes the Mayor of London.
Despite your positive comment about the ride quality of the 180s, when they were brand new I thought they were a bit rough, compared with the 253s on the same route - the GW main line, when First GW were using them on some services.
My Uncle is the manager of drivers and head of the Derbyshire Location. He said they will be getting the 180s with more coaches to do the Jolly fisherman indefinitely once the 810's arrive also the 159s will do the stopping services to skegness and the 170's will do the Norwich run
great video , love the 180s but its time Abellio got a grip on this skeggy run and put at least 8 couches , 5 coaches is disgusting its a summer route not a one off jobby shame of you Abellio get youy fingers out . thanks for sharing great video take care :)
Nice video,informative, not a great fan of cl180's having travelled regularly on them between Leicester-Nottingham last year,for work done hst on Skegness few years ago.
It's a downgrade from a HST 125 to an class 180. EMR makes so much money that nothing could of not stop them from preserving a HST in it's classic 8+2 layout to run this Saturday special. I went on this when HSTs were the traction on that route knowing that I would arrive into Skegness early in every of my 3 trips but if I take it now on the class 180s can I throw in the delays, multiple engine failures and cancelations of the trips too
Major downgrade from what was offered before, complete with first class on a special summer Saturday where standard class is required more which is insanely stupid tbh
northern had 180s on the blackpool manchester ,route ,really good units and comfortable ,but they got hammered on this route ,short distance stops ,never getting into there top gears ,and poor maintenance by northern , nice trains but over engineered
Northern always do stopping services that's why the units started not working if they did express from Blackpool - Manchester only calling at principal stations they would of stayed in shape more
Not really the video to use to be complaining about overcrowding. As you walked about the train it was apparent that there were plenty of empty seats and there was nobody standing because of overcrowding. Don't get me wrong, I know the Saturday services to/from Skegness do get crowded. Just shouldn't have used this particular trip as an example.
I waited for people to get off before leaving myself - it was very much overcrowded as Skegness services tend to get, particularly from Nottingham. Not to mention this video was made almost 2 years ago now…
EMR are the absolute worst train operator in the country. Their Liverpool to Norwich route also gets disgracefully overcrowded in the summer. Longer trains have been needed on these routes for years but they do nothing and would rather ram passengers in like sardines. I have seen many people turned away from trains on these regional routes to the coast as they're at capacity.
I don't like the little EMR mascot, looks cheap . I think the livery is terrible too, they really missed a trick by not basing it on the old "Midland Pullman" units livery !
Great review! I do really love the Class 180s, even after all the criticism that people give them. If maybe EMR run a double unit on the this run, it may be a lot less overcrowded, as it would be 9 or 10 coaches. The new text animations for the locations is much nicer, good work
*Insert Paul Tyreman meme here* lol, in all seriousness this is a brilliant video, I deffo think the HST's were the best ones for the summer Skegvegas services as they were 8 coaches long. The Class 180's haven't been the most reliable it has to be said but there are a number of features I like about them, especially the seats as they are comfortable.
I love the new colour trains I’m glad they’ve changed to Purple.
The conductor should be Paul Press Tyreman.
You have only to look at the number of carriages on EMR and Cross Country Trains, and indeed a number of other operators, to see that these train companies have no interest in their passengers. They would rather stuff the carriges full than put on a few more carriages to make the passenger, their customers journeys more enjoyable. No doubt they would say this course of action is progress.
Quite correct,particularly Cross Country. In the many years of operation Cross Country are the only train operator not to increase their fleet numbers. They are always overcrowded,charge the most expensive fares and have worst customer service.
I don't want to sound like I'm defending the TOC's however it's the DFT that is the issue. The DFT broadly determine the stock needed and it's then up to the TOC to run the service. Sadly there generally aren't spare carriages lying around doing nothing anymore. New trains take years to build and accept into service.
@@Ad-gn8pl And what have the train ooerating companies done to get the dft to increase capacity. On Saturday service Euston to Crewe 4 carriages. Week days 8. Standing room only north of Milton Keynes. There are no excuses.
@@mauricehorton477 TOC'S aren't blameless but there are factors to consider. Maintenance for one - would it be more convenient to take a Unit out of service for maintenance on the evening peak on a weekday or on a weekend? In regard of TOCs and the DFT it all comes down to money and that is in short supply everywhere at the moment.
@@Ad-gn8pl This has been going on for years. TOC are the ones who know what traffic leveld are. Cross Country in particular have had their franchise for long enought make a difference. Use the railways and get treated worse than cattle on occassions. There are no excuses for the level of overcrowding on trains. I am currently waiting for a train I use every month and again today as last month it is running 20 minutes late. An hourly service to Birmingham. Abysmal service there is no excuse for.
Really good video, very informative and entertaining!
Good job on the new animations of the text, I really like them :D
Thanks for sharing your videos much appreciated, I live in Hartlepool so we have the Grand Central Sunderland to Kings X very comfortable trains I’ve not been on the EMR services for a few years last time was Sheffield to London St Pancras a different train than these.
Bring back 8 carriages from Derby to Skegness for the Summer Season at least xx
Overcrowding is a constant problem on this route in the summer but with some single line bits (I think) it's difficult to increase capacity. Nice to see my bungalow at 06.54 :)
Excellent video mate
One of my favourite DMUs! Just wish there are more double sets.
I always bring my own food but I love a nice coffee on the train either from the buffet car or by a trolley service .
Pianos seem to be a common thing in major train stations these day. The two main stations in Glasgow where I live. That is Glasgow Central and Glasgow Queen Street both have a piano
Nice railway video
I’ve also been on a South Eastern Javelin St Pancras to Ashford Kent.
When I went Skegness and got a Cross country ex emr and we was loving it someone had bread and ham so we had first class turn into food class lol
Another cracking video! Thank you.
I’ve only went first class once up to now that was Hartlepool to Kings X on the Grand Central you have book quick in the 12 week window.
Skegness looks like it has the platform space still for the 10 coach weekend excursions etc from years ago. Scope for a lot more local and long distance services to there.
Very interesting. You actually go through four Counties between Derby and Skegness, Bottesford (which although that service doesn't stop there) being in north Leicestershire. I travelled on the first scheduled service in the reverse direction. Due to it arriving full, no such luxury as being able to wash hands as water supply depleted and now they don't replenish the tanks at Skegmess (latter is not a typo). Overcrowding is an ongoing problem as is reliability of some of the units, despite all efforts by Eastcroft staff to keep trains running.
The most passenger-friendly design since Mark 1. The window bay spacing is the sweet spot of 1.90 metres which means that the seats and windows line up. Good seat profile with lumbar support. The carriages would make up into good loco hauled sets.
The information screens on them do still work, last time I got one from London - Nottingham they did. I'd say they work as often as WM trains, who probably average >50% of the time. Not really the end of the world with free Wi-fi.
A very good Friday evening to you all from Wellington Somerset
Lincolnshire lost so many railways. This could run an additional third service for late returners from Skegness.
I needed to know why don’t dig a tunnel and do an extension for the main line Train so that they could extend the unused abandoned underground stations.
Why couldn’t they use the part D78 Stock train doors on the sides and also restructure the front face of the A60 and A62 stock and that includes the class 313, class 314 and class 315 remix and make them all together and also redesign them an overhead line and also make them into Five cars per units and also having three Disabled Toilets on those Five cars per units A60 and A62 stock trains and also convert the A60 and A62 stock trains into a Scania N112, Volvo TD102KF, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Engines and also put the Loud 7-Speed Voith Gearboxes even Loud 8-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Gearboxes in the A60 and A62 stock, class 313, class 314, and class 315 and also modernise the A60 and A62 stock and make it into an 11 car per unit so it could have fewer doors, more tables, computers and mobile phone chargers.
A Stock Train and 8 Disabled Toilets on those A stock trains. why couldn’t we refurbish and modernise the waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel and make it bigger and extend it to the bank station, making it into a Triple-Track Railway Line so those 4 European countries such as Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden to convert the waterloo and city line Triple-Track Train tunnel into a High-Speed train?
The Third Euro tunnel Triple-Track Train line to make it 11 times better for passengers so they could go from A to B. then put the modernised 11 car per unit A Stock and put them on a bigger modernised waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel so it could go to bank station to those 4 European countries such as Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. The modernised refurbished 11 cars per unit A stock could be a High Speed The Third Triple-Track Euro Tunnel Train So it is promising and 37 times a lot more possible to do this kind of project that is OK for London Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden.
oh by the way, could they also tunnel the Triple-Track Railway Line so it will stop from Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex so that the Passengers will go to Germany, Italy, Poland and Sweden and also extend the Triple-Track Railway Line from Bank to Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex Stations so that more people from there could go to Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden Easily.
Why couldn't they extend the Piccadilly line and also build brand-new underground train stations so it could go even further right up to Clapton, Wood Street and also make another brand new tunnel train stations in Chingford could they extend the DLR?
All of the classes 150, 155, 154, 117, 114, 105, and 106, will be replaced by all of the Scania N112, Volvo TD102KF, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Five carriages three disabled toilets are air conditioning trains including Highams Park for extended roots which is the Piccadilly line and the DLR trains.
Could you also convert all of the 1973 stock trains into an air-conditioned maximum speed 78 km/hours (48 MPH) re-refurbished and make it into a 8 cars per unit if that will be alright, and also extend all of the Piccadilly train stations to make more space for all of the extended 8 car per unit 1973 stock air condition trains and can you also build another Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive Companies and they can order Every 17 Octagon and Hexagon shape LNER diagram unique small no.13 and unique small no.11 Boilers from those Countries such as Greece, Italy, Poland, and Sweden, can they make Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive speeds by up to 117MPH so you can try and test it on the Original Mainline so it will be much more safer for the Passengers to enjoy the 117MPH speed Limit only for HS2 and Channel Tunnel mainline services, if they needed 16 Carriages Per units can they use those class 55’s, class 44’s, class 40’s and class 43HST Diesel Locomotive’s right at the Back of those 18 Carriages Per Units so they can take over at the Back to let those Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s have a rest for those interesting Journeys Please!!!!, oh can you make all of those Coal Boxes’s 16 Tonnes for all of the 117MPH Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s so the Companies will Understand us PASSENGER’S!!! so please make sure that the Builders can do as they are Told!! And please do something about these critical Professional ideas Please Prime Minister of England, the Prime Minister of Sweden, the Prime Minister of Germany, the Prime Minister of Italy, the Prime Minister of Poland and that Includes the Mayor of London.
Great video very Informative 👍
Despite your positive comment about the ride quality of the 180s, when they were brand new I thought they were a bit rough, compared with the 253s on the same route - the GW main line, when First GW were using them on some services.
I’ve travelled on a Cross County Voyager and a T. P.E Nova, I don’t know if they were turbo stars.
No, turbostars are Class 168/170/171/172 and The Voyagers are 220 or 221 and Novas are Class 802, 397 and 68
@@171trains thanks I’m
not knowledgable on trains.
EMR’s 222s are Meridians, which are based on Voyagers, but with a different name just to make things confusing for everyone
My Uncle is the manager of drivers and head of the Derbyshire Location. He said they will be getting the 180s with more coaches to do the Jolly fisherman indefinitely once the 810's arrive also the 159s will do the stopping services to skegness and the 170's will do the Norwich run
Are these services the reason they intend to retain the 180s then, rather than on the mainline?
@@andrewreynolds4949 it's a stop gap they will likely be repainted to EMR regional and will do Regional express trains
The 180’s are all going at the end of this month.
@@andrewreynolds4949 Sorry for late reply yes
@@declangaming24 Will be repainted to EMR Regional and will do the Norridge services along with the Jolly fishermen.
very nice. thank you
It should remind me the classic hydraulic transmission loco NY6 manufactured by Henschel. Based on Deutsche Bahn V320.
Plenty of leg room more than previous operator Virgin East Coast i haven’t been on a LNER Azuma yet.
The previous operator was Hull Trains, the Azumas biggest let down are the seats rock hard, even in first class.
great video , love the 180s but its time Abellio got a grip on this skeggy run and put at least 8 couches , 5 coaches is disgusting its a summer route not a one off jobby shame of you Abellio get youy fingers out . thanks for sharing great video take care :)
Agree with you mate If only EMR kept 4 HST sets 8 powercars and 32 MK3 coaches with accessible modifications
Happy 1st birthday to this video!
Nice video,informative, not a great fan of cl180's having travelled regularly on them between Leicester-Nottingham last year,for work done hst on Skegness few years ago.
What app are you using to find your trains speed / line speed?
These are just stop gaps the 180s I'm going to be honest upgrade the Skegness - Nottingham line to 125mph operation.
If this train is doing the fisherman , does that mean its going somewhere?
It's a downgrade from a HST 125 to an class 180. EMR makes so much money that nothing could of not stop them from preserving a HST in it's classic 8+2 layout to run this Saturday special. I went on this when HSTs were the traction on that route knowing that I would arrive into Skegness early in every of my 3 trips but if I take it now on the class 180s can I throw in the delays, multiple engine failures and cancelations of the trips too
Omg what's the odds I was on this train is well at the front as I remember seeing the same 170638 lol the same day amd same unit
Major downgrade from what was offered before, complete with first class on a special summer Saturday where standard class is required more which is insanely stupid tbh
First class is declassifed, as I pointed out in the video.
2 and a half hours to skeg .is so so slow.
What speedometer app do you use?
Speedmeter 👍
northern had 180s on the blackpool manchester ,route ,really good units and comfortable ,but they got hammered on this route ,short distance stops ,never getting into there top gears ,and poor maintenance by northern , nice trains but over engineered
Northern always do stopping services that's why the units started not working if they did express from Blackpool - Manchester only calling at principal stations they would of stayed in shape more
Im sure Derby saw its first trains before 1989!
See description - was a voiceover error
Not really the video to use to be complaining about overcrowding. As you walked about the train it was apparent that there were plenty of empty seats and there was nobody standing because of overcrowding.
Don't get me wrong, I know the Saturday services to/from Skegness do get crowded. Just shouldn't have used this particular trip as an example.
I waited for people to get off before leaving myself - it was very much overcrowded as Skegness services tend to get, particularly from Nottingham. Not to mention this video was made almost 2 years ago now…
ngl it looks like the 334
You'll Be Going Nowhere
The Grand Central 180s are in far better condition than these (except the ex EMR 180110)
EMR are the absolute worst train operator in the country. Their Liverpool to Norwich route also gets disgracefully overcrowded in the summer. Longer trains have been needed on these routes for years but they do nothing and would rather ram passengers in like sardines. I have seen many people turned away from trains on these regional routes to the coast as they're at capacity.
They need new trains mate or what they could do is couple 4 trains together
I don't like the little EMR mascot, looks cheap . I think the livery is terrible too, they really missed a trick by not basing it on the old "Midland Pullman" units livery !
Still too slow
you'll be going nowhere
Please stop talking
Don’t like my talking? Don’t watch my videos then, especially those which are over a year old. Adios 👋
You'll Be Going Nowhere 😂
What speed app do you use?
You’ll be going nowhere