Hi Jon, what does it mean for anxiety to be "discharged" in a particular nervous system? Are you employing a physiological /stress model here? On a anatomical level, what does this mean or look like? Is there certain patterns happening in the organs or nerves of that particular nervous system? Is it a psychological threat that is activating a nervous system? So for the parasympathetic NS, do bowel symptoms indicate that the person stays longer in parasympathetic activation , rather than flowing back and forth between parasympathetic and sympathetic activation in a regular way?
I haven’t understood how you treat psychosomatic issues that are a discharge of anxiety in the parasympathetic nervous system.. I’ ve always suffered from ocd and 7 years ago I started to suffer from anxiety and restlessness… but 4 years ago, after a traumatic episode with THC I had a panic attack and 10 days later I started to feel my head super heavy and painful.. it has been 4 years with this extremely strong symptom… and when it gets better, extreme anxiety and restlessness’s begins. I feel it in my belly…. Like a bomb of energy that is going to explode and the only way in which I calm down is run.. but it’s exhausting!!! I can’t understand if it’s a defence mechanism or not .. because it gets worse when I’ m alone or not busy.. while after the efforts anxiety stops and the heavyness in my head and strong burning headaches begins and I need to tilt my head forward.. I basically live with my head down … it’s a way in which my muscles and nerves discharge the tension That I have when I have anxiety… I don’t know what to do anymore!!
Hi, what do you think about Arnold Mindell's idea of working by having clients/self purposely increase the symptoms as much as possible? His theory is that by doing so it will switch channels (from say physical sensations to a vision or cognition or sound or any possible such switch) and this switch will bring a message for the client/self that they were unable to receive in whichever channel the symptom was originally appearing in? for instance, a client increasing an internal pain purposefully until a vision of a balloon popping came to them and they realized they needed to be less timid and move out into life with force like that balloon.
StopAskingMyName1 Increasing a symptom is commonly used as a paradoxical technique when the patient is opposing the therapist. With somatic symptoms, increasing self-punishment through somatization may help some patients see the cruelty of their self-attack but it depends on the severity of syntonicity. I would view this as a potentially dangerous technique, especially if the mechanism of defense was not understood and if we had not increased the patient's capacity to beat the mixed feelings his symptom is designed to avoid. In the event the symptoms are a result of anxiety, increasing the symptom may help the patient observe the symptom and the anxiety, thereby regulating the anxiety. That could be useful. But you still would need to build the patient's ability to bear mixed feelings at higher levels. Otherwise, the next time the patient experienced this level of feelings, anxiety would rise, and symptoms would recur.
Jon Frederickson Thank you for the in-depth reply. You can check out Arnold Mindell's Working on Yourself Alone for more on the theory I described...which is that all symptoms are teachers with messages from the unconscious for us, which can get unstuck by mindfully meditating on them/increasing them/switching them to other, more bearable, channels. He is a big fan of James Bugental (as am I)...though I'm still fresh into learning about this. Bugental, as I understand, is often about getting clients closer to this unconscious message which they may not recognize...some internal drive which is has been suppressed for one reason or another. I have a client that used to have issues with anger, getting into fights. He had a rough childhood where he had to take a paternal role for his younger sister. He learned to suppress his anger to function in society. He came to me to discuss his relationship problems. But as he spoke about these really troubling things I noticed no hint of anger and we discovered that there is real energy lacking in his life by keeping the anger suppressed, but he is scared about opening that pandora's box. Similarly, I noticed no sadness as he discussed his very troubling family situation. I theorized from his stories that from an early age he had to act as an adult and to protect his younger sibling, he wouldn't show weakness. He came to me with the presenting issue, other than, his gf was a fear of binge drinking...he would drink a bit and then go too far with it. We theorized that this might be a coping mechanism for dealing with those feeling of painful sadness. So can he, instead, sit with those feelings..exposing himself a little more at a time in quiet meditation? And if he was able to connect to that sadness he might realize how important it really is for him to re-connect with his sibling, and give him the drive to follow through with it. thanks for reading!
StopAskingMyName1 I'm a fan of Bugental's as well. Mindell hopes to shift the patient's symptom out of a physical channel. In our work, we try to help patients bear the underlying mixed feelings so that they do not have to be expressed through anxiety symptoms or somatic symptoms, that is, identification with the other person.
@ jon frederickson... I am suffering from somatization from last 5 years...problem in eyes , irritable bowel syndrome , sexual problems , obesity ,etc... How to cure this...not a single medicine is working
Exactly! Perhaps not in mind...Those are quite specific physical symptoms which do fit into many bodily illnesses...Go back to your rheumatologist. 5 years is pretty long time to be trying to fix somatization. And also, it is not black and white...some parts of the symptoms may well be rom somatization and others from the physical illnesses...It is a mix!
"Somatization" is a term used by doctors instead of "idiopathic" for patients when doctors are suffering from a condition known as "narcissistic personality disorder".
HHAAAHHHAAAAHHAAAAA :D :D :D My ex-doctor was poster-boy for that personality disorder! Brilliant! I shall save your comment to be used in my next Christmas card to the said doctor... :D :D :D
Thank you for the clean definition and video. It is hard to learn about this in writing since it is a disorder I have never heard of.
Hi Jon, what does it mean for anxiety to be "discharged" in a particular nervous system? Are you employing a physiological /stress model here? On a anatomical level, what does this mean or look like? Is there certain patterns happening in the organs or nerves of that particular nervous system? Is it a psychological threat that is activating a nervous system? So for the parasympathetic NS, do bowel symptoms indicate that the person stays longer in parasympathetic activation , rather than flowing back and forth between parasympathetic and sympathetic activation in a regular way?
How do you no somatization fybromyalgia or anxiety
I haven’t understood how you treat psychosomatic issues that are a discharge of anxiety in the parasympathetic nervous system.. I’ ve always suffered from ocd and 7 years ago I started to suffer from anxiety and restlessness… but 4 years ago, after a traumatic episode with THC I had a panic attack and 10 days later I started to feel my head super heavy and painful.. it has been 4 years with this extremely strong symptom… and when it gets better, extreme anxiety and restlessness’s begins. I feel it in my belly…. Like a bomb of energy that is going to explode and the only way in which I calm down is run.. but it’s exhausting!!! I can’t understand if it’s a defence mechanism or not .. because it gets worse when I’ m alone or not busy.. while after the efforts anxiety stops and the heavyness in my head and strong burning headaches begins and I need to tilt my head forward.. I basically live with my head down … it’s a way in which my muscles and nerves discharge the tension That I have when I have anxiety… I don’t know what to do anymore!!
Do you have autism ADHD heds I have fybromyalgia symptoms years daily it's the causation from ocd
Hi, what do you think about Arnold Mindell's idea of working by having clients/self purposely increase the symptoms as much as possible? His theory is that by doing so it will switch channels (from say physical sensations to a vision or cognition or sound or any possible such switch) and this switch will bring a message for the client/self that they were unable to receive in whichever channel the symptom was originally appearing in? for instance, a client increasing an internal pain purposefully until a vision of a balloon popping came to them and they realized they needed to be less timid and move out into life with force like that balloon.
StopAskingMyName1 Increasing a symptom is commonly used as a paradoxical technique when the patient is opposing the therapist. With somatic symptoms, increasing self-punishment through somatization may help some patients see the cruelty of their self-attack but it depends on the severity of syntonicity. I would view this as a potentially dangerous technique, especially if the mechanism of defense was not understood and if we had not increased the patient's capacity to beat the mixed feelings his symptom is designed to avoid. In the event the symptoms are a result of anxiety, increasing the symptom may help the patient observe the symptom and the anxiety, thereby regulating the anxiety. That could be useful. But you still would need to build the patient's ability to bear mixed feelings at higher levels. Otherwise, the next time the patient experienced this level of feelings, anxiety would rise, and symptoms would recur.
Jon Frederickson Thank you for the in-depth reply. You can check out Arnold Mindell's Working on Yourself Alone for more on the theory I described...which is that all symptoms are teachers with messages from the unconscious for us, which can get unstuck by mindfully meditating on them/increasing them/switching them to other, more bearable, channels.
He is a big fan of James Bugental (as am I)...though I'm still fresh into learning about this. Bugental, as I understand, is often about getting clients closer to this unconscious message which they may not recognize...some internal drive which is has been suppressed for one reason or another.
I have a client that used to have issues with anger, getting into fights. He had a rough childhood where he had to take a paternal role for his younger sister. He learned to suppress his anger to function in society. He came to me to discuss his relationship problems. But as he spoke about these really troubling things I noticed no hint of anger and we discovered that there is real energy lacking in his life by keeping the anger suppressed, but he is scared about opening that pandora's box. Similarly, I noticed no sadness as he discussed his very troubling family situation. I theorized from his stories that from an early age he had to act as an adult and to protect his younger sibling, he wouldn't show weakness.
He came to me with the presenting issue, other than, his gf was a fear of binge drinking...he would drink a bit and then go too far with it. We theorized that this might be a coping mechanism for dealing with those feeling of painful sadness. So can he, instead, sit with those feelings..exposing himself a little more at a time in quiet meditation? And if he was able to connect to that sadness he might realize how important it really is for him to re-connect with his sibling, and give him the drive to follow through with it.
thanks for reading!
StopAskingMyName1 I'm a fan of Bugental's as well. Mindell hopes to shift the patient's symptom out of a physical channel. In our work, we try to help patients bear the underlying mixed feelings so that they do not have to be expressed through anxiety symptoms or somatic symptoms, that is, identification with the other person.
Is somatic dymptom disorder the same as TMS Dr sarno.
Very well explained oh my god so goooood
@ jon frederickson...
I am suffering from somatization from last 5 years...problem in eyes , irritable bowel syndrome , sexual problems , obesity ,etc...
How to cure this...not a single medicine is working
Perhaps its ankylosing spondilytis
Exactly! Perhaps not in mind...Those are quite specific physical symptoms which do fit into many bodily illnesses...Go back to your rheumatologist.
5 years is pretty long time to be trying to fix somatization.
And also, it is not black and white...some parts of the symptoms may well be rom somatization and others from the physical illnesses...It is a mix!
@@LaymanAcademee Perfect reply!
I've had pain years but told it's tms somatic anxiety very hard
Nice video
"Somatization" is a term used by doctors instead of "idiopathic" for patients when doctors are suffering from a condition known as "narcissistic personality disorder".
HHAAAHHHAAAAHHAAAAA :D :D :D My ex-doctor was poster-boy for that personality disorder! Brilliant! I shall save your comment to be used in my next Christmas card to the said doctor... :D :D :D
You made it a bit difficult to understand
This is pseudo-scientific nonsense.
Can you explain?
@@Artsu1993it isn't it's on fmri studies