Czech vz.52/CZ52 in 9mm and 7.62x25
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First, the HK P9S is HAMMER FIRED. I keep calling it striker fired. The "striker" I point out is a cock indicator. I say stupid stuff all the time, but thankfully my contract allows for it. This video though is about the vz.52 (or CZ 52) in both 7.62x25 and 9mm.
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THE HK P9S IS HAMMER FIRED. I misspoke. My contract says I can make one stupid comment per video. Thank you. 😂
We know what you meant, it WASN'T A STUPID COMMENT, YOU JUST MISSPOKE, HELL WHAT DO YOU WANT FOR BEING OUT THERE IN 19 DEGREE WEATHER, GREAT INFORMATIONAL VID.
Military Arms Channel I thought your pinky comment was the 1 for this one. You had a little brain freeze today 😂😜
The P9s is roller delayed blowback, the cz52 is short recoil Roller Locked...... just saying bro. 🤐
Actually, you are allowed 2. You had one to spare.
Only one?
I Love the CZ52 and bought a few in mint condition when they were $109.99 with holster and extra mags. I bought a couple .9mm Luger barrels and years later had one rechambered to 9x23mm Win and it shoots great. The original 7.62x25mm is still my favorite especially with the Hot Loaded Czech SMG ammo. When surplus guns are dirt cheap I always buy as much as I can afford and have Never been disappointed because when they dry up the price increases. My friends thought I was nuts buying pallets of ammo and crates of SKS/59-66A1,Mosin Nagants M38/M44,91-30,etc. when they were under $100. Great video as always Tim
Hello Mitch My CZ 52 has that 9MM conversion barrel.. when you say it can use 9MM you mean 9MM Lugar? THANKS RUSTY. When i first got it i almose went to the range and shot the 7.62x25 round out of it. wow
I'm glad I Czeched out this video. 👍
You did not Czech it. You Czechoslovaked it.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Well said sir lol
😒
The original “Pocket Rifle”. First gun I carried was a CZ 52.
Hi Tim, I just picked up a 1953 CZ-52 that is in really good shape. Watching your video on the take-down helped me alot to get the roller mechanism and the barrel out, and it went right back in. Can't wait to get it out to the range! I agree with you about "Czechnology", their firearms are superb, and I have flown in some of their light aircraft. Thank you!
One day people will realize that 7.62x25 is the best handgun caliber.
Why
Best for shooting pumpkins.
Agreed
It will me shaggys gun of choice
Now he’s at 160 percent
That....and 10mm
If you want a stronger firing pin (the originals have a tendency to break), Harrington makes good replacement parts, including rollers and extractors.
a little expensive and takes a fucking month, but I agree entirely, also, wolff extra power recoil spring will keep your brass on this side of the state (I'll be going for some hardened rollers soon)
In Czech Republic it is pretty common to have vz.52 with both 7.62x25 and 9x19 barrels... you can swap them as you wish then. And bonus is, that with 9x19 rounds that gun holds together somewhat longer.
That 9x19 version might also be one of "export" guns that were exported to the civilian market of many countris to get enough foreign currency for the state needs (like for buying steel alloy additives or special parts unavailable in Czechoslovakia.) Even cars like Skoda 120 were exported to various western countries to get some cash in western banknotes, because czechoslovak crowns were useless if you wanted to buy some technology or parts only available on western market at that era.
A CZ52 was my first handgun.
timg555 mine too, and I carried it as my ccw until I switched to a p64 and realized I didn’t need to carry a rifle on my hip....
I was lucky enough to get a CZ52 (VZ52), still in cosmoline and extra mag still wrapped up on the cheap from an auction earlier this year (also scored a bayonet for a SMLE III* and some Nambu ammo that auction... $420 for all), so you can still find them for a decent price if you look hard enough. Personal preference... I like the TT33 better than the CZ when it comes to shooting.
I agree. I love the CZ52 but the Tokarev style pistols are better shooting guns IMO. The trigger on the CZ52 can be really bad depending on your particular gun, I've shot several different ones and some are gnarly. I have an unissued one that I don't shoot, and I bought a used one someone had duracoated and that is my shooter. I changed out some parts to improve the trigger. Harrington kits help a lot and don't need permanent mods, plus you can set aside the brittle original firing pin so you don't break it. These are cool as a unique piece and have a interesting feel while shooting due to the roller lock.
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Only thing, when you shoot Communist Block surplus ammo, be careful if you don't know the languages or markings! Submachinegun ammo for the PPSh-41 (ППЩ-41) & PPS-43 (ППС-43) which were loaded super hot for submachinegun use, is not suitable ( in fact dangerous ) to use in any Tokarev pattern pistol. However, legend has it, that the Czeck CZ-52 can safely handle the pressure for a few rounds due to the roller delay locked breech.
Hey Mac, thanks so much for so clearly explaining taking the barrel out of the slide, dealing with that roller mechanism! Tonight for the first time, I took the barrel out of the slide and re-assembled it, but had problems getting it back into the slide! It does take a lot of practice to do it easily, but now that I know how to do it, I will master it! Thanks!
I see Tim's busted hands during the take down and think of 8 Ball from GTA 3. _"I know a place near the edge of the Red Light District where we can lay low, but my hands are all messed up, so you better drive, brother."_
Hi Mac, a really nice review as always! I also have a CZ52, love it! Also, my gf is Czech, been with her for over 15 years, she is a real keeper... just like my CZ52! In 2013 we went to Prague for a visit to see her hometown. Went to the train station where she worked as a young girl, had NO IDEA the CZ store was right across the street from it! Boy, have we kicked ourselves many times about that, lol! Btw, I also have a CZ27, CZ38, CZ50, CZ52, CZ70, CZ82, as well as several current model CZ's. Love those early CZ's, wish I could know the history behind each and every one of them!
Hello Larry My CZ 52 has that 9MM conversion barrel.. when you say it can use 9MM you mean 9MM Lugar? THANKS RUSTY
Finally Someone else who appreciates the CZ52! :P Great vid MAC! 7.62x25 is an underrated round in my opinion. Would love to see a modern carbine in that caliber.
I'm drinking a Czech beer while I watch this.
Hey! Me too! I've always got a 6-pack of Pilsner Urquell in the fridge, my friends are always surprised to discover how good it is. I first had this when I spent a weekend in Prague, along with the beef and dumplings; damn, that was good food, and good beer! Interesting footnote, I back to the US, drank the Pilsner for a long time, then went back to Prague; I immediately noticed that, closer to the source, it's MUCH better. Then a year or so later, I discovered the same thing with Guinness! The closer to the source, the exponentially better they both seemed to get! Now I just gotta get to Port Ellen in Argyll, Scotland... Worth a google, if you like reeeaaally good aged spirits!
@Dennis Young Another good one, I love the slight coffee-ish character it has, and not as thick as many other darks.
Nice little firearm. I was fortunate to buy 1 with both the 7.62 and 9mm barrels. 7.62 is a fireball. To bad the surplus ammo is getting so expensive. Would love to see a modern double/single action CZ 75 variation in 7.62.
I would love for someone to make a modern double stack 7.62x25 pistol
Dominion Arms made a SIG P226 copy but it's only in Canada
Love my CZs as well! The 52 was the first one I had shot in my teen years and got me hooked...thanks for sharing!
my gunsmith had cut up, removed metal for a higher grip under the trigger guard, an Amazing difference with the undercut.
Bought one of the CZ52s from J&G Sales years ago for $100, should never have sold it.
Yes, the 7.67x25 is one hot little round. Very enjoyable to shoot with. I have the TT33 and a Norinco 213 for the 9mm version. Both nice guns too.
Really an excellent video of a historical pistol. Appreciate your warning about decocker failures with it. I won't own a pistol with a decocker since my first pistol as a boy was a slave labor Polish vis35 radom 9mm and it fired when the defective decocker was activated; it now resides in Lake Michigan-lol
Being Czech I definitely have to say that Tim is correct, Czechs are awesome! Czechs make great guns and hot women, what more do you need?!
Marvin Vacha 10000$ us and pewdiepie
Mmh, French wine & cheese?
@Marvin Vacha
"Czechs make great guns and hot women, what more do you need?!"
Dvakrat nefiltrovane Staropramen, prosim! Two unfiltered Starapramen beers please...
Well,time to learn Czech.
Beer
I have an original cz52 and love it.
Same here. Probably my most favorite handguns in the world, even though mine isn't the most accurate.
Me too
You failed to mention that the 7.62 x25 can be hand loaded to 357 mag muzzle energy. Twice the energy of the 9mm.
Let’s see some more of those cheap gun videos that you and Jason find “crap” and test who’s is less “crappy”
I have a shop near me that has a 52 in almost new condition and with the original zinc finish. Thinking of possibly springing for it this weekend.
Love the videos on old surplus guns, especially Czech made guns.
@@smokingcrab2290 Did 😁
@@smokingcrab2290 probably one of the most interesting pistols I have. It's an awesome shooting gun, even with the original firing pin. I actually broke the Harrington products match firing pin I bought for it and have been using the original with no issues. Just have to tell people not to dry fire it. Using Czech surplus ammo, this thing shoots a fireball like a shorty ar. My crono showed it going 1800+ fps but I'm not sure it was getting a good reading. I'll have to redo the test again some day and compare to the commercial ammo I have.
One of my favorite surplus pistols, thanks for the vid.
Just watched Sootch00's video on this weapon, it looked like a cannon in his hands but you make it look like a Makarov.
Holy shit Tim plays video games ? I didn't realize I could like this man anymore than I already did😂
Tim you have the best gun collection i have ever seen Sir. I absolutely love seeing these CZ firearms videos. I can't wait to get a CZ82 in my collection, bucket list item. Another awesome episode MAC
My second handgun... Cz52 in 7.62x25 along with its serialised 9x19mm barrel... straight from Century in 1994 for $169 baby, yeah!!! It’s nicely oiled and tucked away at the moment. May need to dig it out.
MPact mechanix gloves, that gloves are always a must need. Sometimes I watch my old ones and I'm glad that the holes are in the gloves and not in my hands.
Josh! My man! I was his Scoutmaster. Glad he is with y'all. Having a Aggie on the crew Whoop.
“Heel release, which is a piece of sheet...”
Sounds right Tim, didn’t need to add metal to it
...bud of mine at Sikorsky bought one from me when I had my C&R license...he bought a 9mm bbl (traded me a Mitutuyo caliper for it - I still have that caliper) but it had (inherent) feeding problems and I bought the lot bacjk from him...sold it to another C&R guy I knew from the Yahoo C&R group...the problem is that the 9mm is 9x19 6mm shorter than the 7.62x25 and cannot make that jump from the mag reliably...a redesigned (or well made home engineered block) mag would prolly fix the problem but neither my bud nor I was interested in that grunt work...wish I'd kept it...I bought mine ca '90 or '92 (IIRC) for (again IIRC) $95 from Century...the prices last I looked have AT LEAST quadrupled!!!
A foreign gun that has no import marks is not necessarily a "duffel bag gun" or as that implies a war bringback. All guns imported before 1968 were not required to be import marked.
Yep, yep, ...but, things brought in before 1968 were overall legit duffle bag guns, especially since we were not trading with a Communist nation like Russia or Cuba,.....simply because they're Commies...., while we were then, & still are trading like crazy with communist China,.... because they are cheap Commies. Make sense????....not to me.....but that's how it goes. Let's have world start treating China,....like they treat Cuba??? Hey, that would solve plenty of problems,.... Wouldn't it?..... YEP!
Wish there was a replica or an airsoft version,I'm absolutely in love with this thing dammit (can't have guns here where I live)
I bought my CZ 52 in 7.62 x25 around 18 years ago for 170 bucks and it was new in the box, never fired with two mags and holster, the holster was brand new also. When I bought it I expected it to be used but in good condition, I couldn't believe my eyes when I opened the box and seen that I got a new one, I'll never be that lucky again..lol
Roller locked or delayed matters :) I think You know tht the CZ 52 and MG42 are short recoil roller locked - CETME 308/L/AMELI and later G3, STG 57 and the HK Pistol are roller delayed or half locked. As i understand it the engineers working on a STG44 competitor recognized on high speed footage that their roller locked gas piston full auto gun's bolt would sometimes bounce open, fire halfways out of battery and work that way so they half locked the gun on purpose and got rid of the gas system. Roller delaying gave them a fixed barrel and no need for a loose barrel recoil operation or a gas system with the downside that making the thing reliable means underdelaying and catching the bolt with your shoulder. Share the love for czech guns- zh, zkk600, RAMI looking forward to the czech video!
I own one it came wit 2 barrels 9mm and 7.62 x25 Tokarev, it was brand new it came with a clip 9mm and a clip Tokarev, very easy to change the barrel, I bought in 1988 , I am in Canada.
Just bought one with a very rare parts kit in wooden box. Filled with 40 odd parts in multiples to keep it running for 100 years. A 🇨🇿pistol with soul. 👍✌️🇺🇲
The Cvechs didn't like the 7.62x25, so they made the round much hotter for their sub-gun VZ 24/26 series than the
standard soviet load, the pistol was designed to shoot that hot loaded sub gun ammo, I had some of that ammo
back in 2003 or so and it was sold as CZ52 only ammo back then. The ammo came on 8 rd stripper clips and the
bullet had a silver plating on it. Unfortunately I shot it up not realizing it was limited. I bought 2 of these CZ52's back
then, they came the holster, extra mag and cleaning rod for less than $100 from my dealer
also bought the 9mm barrels and roller lock to be able to change calibers easier.
That Sellier& Bellot are surprising great Czech made ammo..I use it extensively at the range
Still one of may favorite handguns. Its the Mosin Nagant of handguns. Its heavy, clunky, crappy feeling in your hands but once it shits out a 3 foot fireball at night you forget about all of that. 7.62x25 is just plain fun even if im shooting 60's surplus tuna can ammo.
TY Had a GI one till left truck unlocked & 3 xtra mags in pouch.also! Miss it dearly was a Fine Pistol ! Great Video TY
DONT DRY FIRE THEM!! Lol.. First one I bought, I got for nothing because it was "broken junk".. New firing pin and away I was.. Never can get used to the grip angle though.
Yes, CZ-52 feels bit odd...
Put on gloves.
I went shooting on a cold winter day a few years ago, and discovered the CZ-52 was suddenly the most comfortable pistol to handle of the various available that day--wearing leather work gloves and wool glove liners.
Neoprene tactical gloves get some concerned glances at the range, but pigskin work gloves are no biggie.
Matt Helton, Bravo! I entered the USMC, at the San Diego MCRD, in June of 1987. I always had a love of obscure weapons systems, and the Eastern Bloc countries always seemed to work. The M-16's wouldn't last unless the were really kept clean. The ONLY thing that the VZ-52 had that was 'wrong', was the very 'brittle' firing pin. You would NEVER dry fire it, and I wouldn't even use a snap cap, I just wouldn't trust it. I have a 1953 VZ-52 that I got in 1993. I'm sure the David Goodnow is right on the money, with gloves on, it's a dream to shoot! Semper Fidelis
I had just recently purchased an unfired from the arsenal refurbish 52 and it shoots awesomely. Not the most accurate milsurp pistol I own, that goes to my Walther PPs and East German Makarovs but its such a unique pistol being a roller delayed pistol and in 762 tokarev. I hate tokarev pistols normally because they look so ugly and I dont like the ergos but the 52 just looks so dang cool and has a very nice boom when it fires!
I would shoot it more except ammo is fairly pricey compared to 9mm and comparable to 45 if you buy the milsurp steel stuff. I try to stay away from corrosive ammo though which means I'm stuck to brass cased ammo which is far more expensive to shoot.
Most factory ammo for the 7.62x25 uses .308 bullets yet the guns have up to .311-.312 grooves from 5 Tokarevs and 3 CZ52's I've slugged the bore on to measure diameter. I don't get great accuracy from factory ammo, but when I reload with fatter bullets such as .309 Hornady and up to .312 cast lead bullets, I get better results. The bore diameters vary so I am guessing ammo manufacturers use the smaller diameter to stay on the safe side, possibly worrying people might even use them in a .30 Mauser gun.
CIP lists 7.62x25 groove diameter at .312
Commercial steel case isn't corrosive
@@MrBaconperson True, Tula steel cased has done fine in my 7.62x25 guns and shoots just as good as PPU/Win/S&B
Wolf isnt corrosive. Im sure u knew that though
Logcabinlooms has used .30 carbine bullets in his reloads for some time and recommends them highly. Can't remember offhand what brass he uses though, but it's a pretty cost effective combination.
Great video and AIM Surplus had the 9mm barrel conversion kit a few years ago (more like 12 years ago for about $70 or so), and I purchased it and then bought my CZ52 and swap out the barrels when at the range to get 2 in 1 pistol.
Very different report from the 9mm. Excellent pistol and smart transition. Thanks.
CZ-52 mechanism ≠ HK P9s mechanism
In both systems rollers serves the same purpose : delaying the action using rollers until the pressure drops to a safe level before the bolt unlocks, the way the mechanism works and the rollers are used is completely different between both.
On the CZ-52 rollers are either mechanically locked or unlocked they are used as simple lugs they just keep the slide and barrel locked together until, both recoiling together reach a small distance where the locking piece trips and the rollers retracts. The barrel stops recoiling and the slide slide is then free to recoil and cycle. In the end it's just a short recoil operated gun with an unusual locking system.
While on the HK MP5/P9/G3 the rollers are resting in an "unstable" position that depends on pressure applied to the breech. The rollers are actuating the unlocking process. There's no barrel moving, the rollers are not only locking the bolt but they are transmitting part of the energy to the angled locking piece within the bolt until it reaches a certain pressure and unlocks.
The nuance is faint, but the unlocking process doesn't work the same way.
Here's a video demonstration: th-cam.com/video/RxmOamgrVMo/w-d-xo.html
Great video quality nonetheless.
for anyone interested...the military acceptance mark isn't X but crossed swords
I have a CZ 52 with both barrels. 7.62 & 9mm.😁
Harrington Products were making CZ52 9mm barrels w hardened rollers,they are sold out .MAYBE we could
request that they do another run of 1000 barrels and rollers. I'll take the first 5 sets.
I picked up a cz52 at the wanenmacher gun show a few weeks ago. Fun gun to shoot. Came with 2 mags, holster and cleaning rod
Quick cinematic footnote on the Tokarev TT-30 Tim shows at the end; that model pistol, or a variant thereof, is the official issued pistol of the 'Kingsmen' from the 2014 movie, most notably used by 'Harry Hart', or 'Galahad', Colin Firth's character in that movie. The obviously non-functional prop has a fake, but VERY cool 20-gauge shotgun attachment under the barrel, which is what he uses to shoot the first woman in the freakin' SPECTACULAR 'Freebird Church Melee', one of the greatest and best choreographed fight scenes in all of cinema history. For those who live in caves and haven't seen it, it's definitely worth a watch, if nothing else for that scene alone....
Definitely, on my list of pistols that I would like to acquire in my lifetime, the novel action type really does it for me.
Hey MAC actually the date of when the pistol was re barreled is marked on the gun. The stamp you see at the end of the serial numbers/date codes on the right side of the frame should match the stamp on the barrel. The two numbers you see after that are the year it was re barreled 96 or 1996. My example has the same stamp and date , but apparently your pistol must have been blessed by the Czech Gods because mine would only fire one round at a time and jam on every consecutive round of 9mm. Even though i tried multiple different brands and types of 9mm ammo the results were always the same. So i went and got an original 7.62x25 barrel dropped it in and have never had any problems since then using that caliber. I also want to say that i appreciate your love of Czech firearms, since i am very found of the CZ line and i am of Czech descent myself. I am also glad that you actually disassembled the pistol the way it was meant to be done. You are pretty much the only person on Y.T to actually do so and not make excuses or complain about it being difficult. While at the same time putting your cameraman and the walls of your home in grave danger from a normal compressed recoil spring and barrel assembly :) . Thanks for the video and your content Cheers and Merry Christmas.
Just picked up a 52 myself, identical to yours but a year older.
When will a firearms manufacture like Glock come out with a full size pistol chambered in 762x25 tokarev, or even a compact conceal pistol? It seems with the base of the case being just slightly smaller, you could fit an extra cartridge in the magazine.
And a Glock in 5.7 x 28...
Lol, Glock...
Norinco makes two different pistols in 7.62x25mm. One is a clone of the Sig P226, the other is a civilian clone of their QSZ-92. Both are banned from import to the US, and nobody else makes a modern, double-stack pistol in the caliber. Which is a shame, because it's a great caliber.
Zestava makes the M70, a reproduction of the TT33. They make it in 9mm and 7.62x25 tokarev. Other then that and a few from China, you are not going to get any. The ammo is just not made much now that it is not used by any military units. I kind of like the round myself, but its market is dead. Only smaller amounts for surplus guns is made now.
Because they already make .357 Sig
I collect European military clothing and if the Czech's make their guns anywhere as good as the uniforms,then they must be totally frickin' awesome.My Czech M-85 jacket was made in '91 and frankly the quality is impeccable.
Pimped out the 7.62 TOK with 8 grains of Power Pistol. Use the lightest weight .32-.30 dia bullets, If you want the muzzle flash of a 30-30 mares leg in a 4.5" barrel. Desert Eagle owners wish they'd have this kind of overcompensating muzzle flash.
I replaced the barrel, bought the set of rollers, firing pin and polished extractor from Harrington. CZ52's are unbreakable, a solid steel billet milled frame. The most unassuming grey beater in my safe.
I have been told that, since the Russians were exspecting to be fighting in COLD weather, against enemy soldiers well wrapped up in thick Winter clothing, this cartridge with it's fast, light bullet was deemed necessary just to be sure of penetrating all those layers and still have a chance of inflicting a serious wound! Don't know for sure, but that seems pretty logical to me!
God damn the blued 9 mil is beautiful!
Sir, good meeting you
Thanks.
Have my own VZ 52 9mm from the factory with LOK grips and it's a ton of fun. Bad grip angle unfortunately.
Huston is spelled HOUSTON!! Sam Houston was an EPIC American and ICONIC TEXAN.
I had an original CZ 52 in the eighties and it came with some interesting paperwork.
It was not redone but brand new packed in cosmilene (forgive spelling) from the military arsenal and the old wise guy I purchased it from was in ww2 and specialized in military weapons, besides my Grandfather was born in CHECKOSLA (so I can't spell) which I gained some knowledge that some may not have on this subject.
Nine millimeter 9mm barrels were available at that time. But I did not convert because the CZ 52 was originally designed to take the HOTTER MACHINE GUN AMMO in 7.62×25 which appeared to be the same but not only was it hotter but it was ARMOR PIERCING !!!
It functioned better was even more accurate especially at long distances !!
And we got thrown out of an indoor rang for damaging their BACK STOP !!
(before I realized it was ARMOR PIERCING)
I can't remember exactly but I think there was something on the bottom a mark, letter, or number.
You had to look a little harder but you could find it at the Gun Shows which there were a LOT MORE of back then.
I purchased 500 rounds at a time it wasn't expensive the people selling it would make it clear that it would damage other pistols !!
We kept it under our hats especially when they put the BAN on other ARMOR PIERCING ammo this seemed to slip through !!
We were fortunate no mass shootings or crimes were performed with this ammo or gun.
ESPECIALLY since that ammo would penetrate two people wearing body armor !!!!
So THAT'S why I didn't convert to 9mm, we had many 9mm, and other good calibers and I could tell you stories all day about the things we did at the out door range at 100+ yards and the CZ 52 and that ammo !!!
( some of that old 7.62×25 regular ammo even had functional problems in the CZ 52 !!!
The old surplus ammo.
This gun was a 9mm SA/DA before being forced to rechamber to .30 Tokarev, thus they had to strip down the mechanism to SA only because it was a longer cartridge. CZ should ressurect that original design in 9mm.
I’ve owned mine since ‘97. No way I’d part with it. Was not a fan of the 9mm though. Had a lot of feeding issues with everything except military hardball.
7.62 is extremely accurate out to 100 yards. Consistent hits on 2 liter soda bottles.
I remember not being able to sell these for $100 in the 90’s. Fast forward and now they want around $300 for them. You are right, they will only continue to go up in price.
That little "X" is a pair of crossed swords.
I have one of these that was factory refinished in 1991, still chambered in 7.62 Tok but all blued, the magazines are still parkerized though.
I have had several CZ 52 pistols they fun but they break easy and they're kinda heavy too. I have fixed more than I have had they have a problem will the rollers. I have found the tokarve tt-33 is a much better weapon. I have seen them that were dug up and cleaned up and work great. The biggest problem with the CZ52 is it was originally made for 9mm Luger not 7.62x25 . It can NOT stand the pressure of the 7.62x25 that is why it tears it's self up. Could be why they didn't make it very long and no longer use it.
Yeah I don't know where he got the idea that 9mm is a hotter round, it isn't at all and CZ52s were and still are known for being hot garbage just like the VZ52 rifles which is why they were both replaced immediately. CZ52s crumble into dust if you don't upgrade all the internals. Plus I'm gonna throw it out there, his 9mm Tokarev is not broken because it wasn't built for the awesome, world shattering power of the 9mm round, it's because gun break sometimes and Tokarevs aren't built to perfect tolerances, they were meant to arm disposable peasants and weren't expected to be used for much other than for executing the odd German officer.
It is a bit more complicated. During production the factory changed source material several times. And to mix it up even more, guns were regularly refurbished by military armories, where some parts were exchanged.
As a result you can get guns that had about 3000-5000 rounds through and that are probably almost dead with hidden cracks. Or you can try to find some of those originals manufactured with better materials that easily can shoot 10k+ +P+ submachine rounds without any issue.
Unfortunately it is much more likely to find some heavily used sample as those good ones are keepers in collections of people who know how to distinguish between different batches :)
The rollers are a little too soft, but you can buy hardened rollers that work quite well. Another issue is that the firing pin is free-floating, and tends to break if dry-fired. There are kits to convert it to a spring-retracted firing pin, but they are rather dangerous because they disable the CZ's firing pin safety, which keeps the pin from striking the primer until the trigger is pressed. Better to go with a hardened free-floating pin.
Another issue is the 7.62x25 round was loaded to two different specs, a lower-pressure one for handguns, and a higher-pressure one for submachine guns. The CZ was designed to handle both, but in order to do that, the chamber had to be enlarged slightly to allow for cartridge expansion. With old and brittle surplus ammo, the amount of expansion that the CZ's chamber allows can result in a torn case neck, which can get lodged in the chamber or barrel. Usually that will prevent the next round from chambering, but I've heard of an incident where a CZ's chamber exploded and cracked the slide due to a case fragment causing a bullet to get lodged in the barrel. It's probably safest to only run new ammo through the CZ.
I've also heard of CZ recoil springs wearing out, which could allow the slide to recoil hard enough to beat up the internals and cause increased muzzle rise. Wolff Gunsprings makes new recoil springs for the CZ.
9x23 is 55,000 psi round. Not 9 para. I also call bulshit on this gun running 9x23. The chamber walls on this gun are a fucking joke. What good is a decent locking mech if the chamber walls are as thin as 1911 45 barrel wall diameter.
I think the main issue is the materials. I have a 1952 production gun that was never rearsenaled, yet it has all original parts. Firing pin never broke. Decocker works without setting off the round. Rollers are in perfect condition. What I think happened is they changed to different steel that just was not up to the task.
Hey you got a 9mm CZ52!! Awesome, found one last year, to compliment my 7.62x25. Cool stuff!
love the fire ball that comes out -only gun i've ever seen with more was a 38super
I have a 9mm cz52 it’s a complete jammomatic but I still like Czech stuff so I keep it around but it drives the 9mm into the dead space in the magazine
it's tough finding 7.62x25 now a days. I've got a cz52 that's just a conversation piece now
Will you compare vz.82 and original soviet Makarov as well? It has similar story... We Czechs made our own military service pistol in 9x18 Makarov ammo. We made vz.82 because we did not want Pistolet Makarov from Soviets.
Love the spicy hot little 7.62 Tokarev!! I don’t have a CZ52 yet 😒 but will soon! In the meantime I’m just enjoying my Yugo Zastava M57, another incredible little combloc .30!
I bought a CZ52 a few years ago that came with the 9mm barrel.
I don't care what anyone says. I just got rid of mine because it's a dangerous POS. I refer to the de-cocker on this gun as the "alternate trigger". It would fire the gun. I also bought a 9mm barrel for it. I still have it around my house somewhere. Shooting 9mm, it would jam at least twice with every 8-round magazine. Check out online how if you dry fire this gun too much, you are likely to break the firing pin. This gun is garbage. I traded it in at a pawn shop and got a brand new Ruger SR9c - a reliable, safe weapon. I had to buy a ny-lock nut and cap screw with shoulder washer on EBay to replace the pin for the slide lock lever that kept falling out (and mine was marked refurbished in 1979). The only reason to buy this gun is for its historical attributes. Don't buy this gun for any other reason.
I bought two CZ-52s for $100 each about ten years ago.
They were tack drivers.
Sold them five years later for $400 a piece.
That roller lock is sick but seems like those rollers would take beating.
I'd love a long 1 hour video about the history of Czech military weapons post ww2 to modern day talk about the history behind each one and why it was made, the history behind these guns fascinates me I wanna hear more
You have more snow over there then we have in South Finland. Very odd winter thus far
This beautiful peace of tech has the same problem as the P 08. The slide is still a functioning weapon when pulled off the frame.
I love these so much, such an odd and interesting design. I have one in near new shape that is parkerized, one that is unfired in 9mm from BRNO/Century Arms, and one that was FUBAR that I got for $90 that I stripped down milled rails for and turned into a race gun and had Lok Grips make me a custom set of grips and that one has a Burris Fastfire 3 on top and an aftermarket firing pin, super fun.
A few 38 super / 9mm largo barrels also exist for these guns .
He must have practiced disassembly a lot. His knuckles were still bloodied
I drop a log everyday for my homies
Sick bro
still would like a Scorpion Evo in 7.62x25. could be nice
Finally an American who knows the history well...
The 'hammer drop safety' aka decocker may fire the CZ52. On the pistol I had it fired the gun every single time. It was just as reliable at firing the gun as pulling the trigger.
Just when I think I can't love this channel anymore, ya'll go and create a Twitch channel. Yup. Best channel ever!! And I'm gonna have to invest into a CZ. I've always loved the concept of them and how simple they are.
Blew a hole in the roof of my golf cart too, that cartridge has a lot of penitration power lol
You forgot to mention the decocker on this model. When in safe just push up a little more for those who don’t know :)
So many of the mag base plates are bent to hell by disassembling it with the magazine.
How many people had to rewatch the section where he said ‘twitch’. +militaryarmschannel you continue to surprise me
Every time you do a review I have to buy one for the wifie (and one for me) Your are costing me a pile of $$$$$$$. Thank You.
I love the cz52. It's one of the very first pistols I ever shot