This is fantastic !!! As a member of Peterborough Male Voice Choir, we started to reherse this for a concert that we will be taking part in March 2011. Very inspiring and I can't wait to be part of a performance like this !
I´ve played this organ part myself and I know that it must be a sort of attack. But I fear sometimes he does a litle bit to much and the big organ is too aggressive. It is a matter of the measure that this Kyrie needs. For instance we decided to prepare our sunday service audience as we knew that they never had heard such a mighty Kyrie. And in the course of preparing the mass we recognized the fact that this music gets always more calm and turns to the inside of the soul. I love this mass!
Lets not complicate this. It is a magnificent choral (and organ) work. Think about whatever you want to think about. I acknowledge that the mood of the Kyrie is atypical. Good!
- Assisting at a concert - 4 to six minutes to acompany which liturgical gesture? - A minor mode (cf Vierne), but is it penitential? (What does the assembly think/feel/understan/believe trapped between incomprehensible words and a fiery Grand Orgue? I thought catholic music shoulmd be ..participative... If I didn't know what the words are supposed to be, I might have thought I was hearing a new xhorus from Gounod's "Faust". Lord, have mercy upoçn us. (A quite good interpretation, though).
Cette messe est simplement formidable... Est ce-que tu pourrais publier ici, dans TH-cam, la messe toute entière, s'il te plaît? Il serait vraiment super! :)
1401JSC I DO agree with you... La déchristianisation était (déjà) en cours ! Rappelons-nous, seulement, qu'il s'agit d'un concert... Je ne pense pas qu'aujourd'hui aucune paroisse n'accepterait - même pour une fête très solennelle - que soit interprété un morceau d'un tel triomphalisme... alors qu'est sollicitée, humblement, la miséricorde de Dieu! Gloria et Credo sont moins "à côté de la plaque" (nonobstant la valeur musicale de l'ensemble de l'oeuvre....
+Jean-François Le Mouël Well in Washington, the Pope and several thousand people under the sun stood around waiting for the Veni Creator (alternance Hymn & polyphony) to end before the Penitencial Rite could begin yesterday. In less than a quarter of an hour we heard 4 different musical styles while the biwigs hobbled and wobbled in procession, then Francisco censing the altar and the virgin before... standing around !
Participation in liturgy and worship does not have to mean singing, speaking and clapping! Silent prayer and personal devotions, contemplation of the sacred mysteries being celebrated is, for some, a stronger and deeper participation in the liturgy of the church.
Silent prayer and personal devotion I can do at home. What is the sacred mystery to be contemplated during the Kyrie, while priests are just waiting around for it to end? Pardon? Does this need 6 minutes of contemplation to the accompaniment of romantic music? better to say (and mean) a confession TOGETHER than to be a passive audience. "For some" is certainly true. Passive believers and dynamic church rarely go together.
Let me try and clarify: prayer is not passive but active. Yet this does not mean it must be audiable or vocalised. The Christian Church, both Orthodox and Western Roman have understood this for 2000 years. During the Kyrie one should think of our personal sinfulness and the redepmtive power of Christ, soon to be encountered in the sacred mystery of the holy Eucharist. This brings calvary into the present and represents it. A said confession, although good, is somewhat shallow by comparison.
@1401JSC I never "just wait for the Kyrie to end" it always ends to soon for my taste because I have alot of sins to be contemplating over, as do all men. if you can contemplate the entire mystery of what Christ did for us by dying on the cross in only six minutes every Sunday for the rest of your life, I can assure you that you haven't even scratched the surface of what Christ did for us.
This is fantastic !!! As a member of Peterborough Male Voice Choir, we started to reherse this for a concert that we will be taking part in March 2011. Very inspiring and I can't wait to be part of a performance like this !
Magnifico!
This is great!!! Thanks!!!!!
MAGNIFIQUE !!!!!!!!
I´ve played this organ part myself and I know that it must be a sort of attack. But I fear sometimes he does a litle bit to much and the big organ is too aggressive. It is a matter of the measure that this Kyrie needs. For instance we decided to prepare our sunday service audience as we knew that they never had heard such a mighty Kyrie. And in the course of preparing the mass we recognized the fact that this music gets always more calm and turns to the inside of the soul. I love this mass!
Lets not complicate this. It is a magnificent choral (and organ) work. Think about whatever you want to think about. I acknowledge that the mood of the Kyrie is atypical. Good!
- Assisting at a concert
- 4 to six minutes to acompany which liturgical gesture?
- A minor mode (cf Vierne), but is it penitential?
(What does the assembly think/feel/understan/believe trapped between incomprehensible words and a fiery Grand Orgue?
I thought catholic music shoulmd be ..participative...
If I didn't know what the words are supposed to be, I might have thought I was hearing a new xhorus from Gounod's "Faust".
Lord, have mercy upoçn us.
(A quite good interpretation, though).
Cette messe est simplement formidable... Est ce-que tu pourrais publier ici, dans TH-cam, la messe toute entière, s'il te plaît? Il serait vraiment super! :)
1401JSC I DO agree with you... La déchristianisation était (déjà) en cours ! Rappelons-nous, seulement, qu'il s'agit d'un concert... Je ne pense pas qu'aujourd'hui aucune paroisse n'accepterait - même pour une fête très solennelle - que soit interprété un morceau d'un tel triomphalisme... alors qu'est sollicitée, humblement, la miséricorde de Dieu! Gloria et Credo sont moins "à côté de la plaque" (nonobstant la valeur musicale de l'ensemble de l'oeuvre....
+Jean-François Le Mouël Well in Washington, the Pope and several thousand people under the sun stood around waiting for the Veni Creator (alternance Hymn & polyphony) to end before the Penitencial Rite could begin yesterday.
In less than a quarter of an hour we heard 4 different musical styles while the biwigs hobbled and wobbled in procession, then Francisco censing the altar and the virgin before... standing around !
Everything that Catholic music should be...
Participation in liturgy and worship does not have to mean singing, speaking and clapping! Silent prayer and personal devotions, contemplation of the sacred mysteries being celebrated is, for some, a stronger and deeper participation in the liturgy of the church.
If they don't understand the language, there's always the Baptists lol. As for the music, there's always the happy clappy brigade lol...
Silent prayer and personal devotion I can do at home.
What is the sacred mystery to be contemplated during the Kyrie, while priests are just waiting around for it to end?
Pardon? Does this need 6 minutes of contemplation to the accompaniment of romantic music?
better to say (and mean) a confession TOGETHER than to be a passive audience.
"For some" is certainly true.
Passive believers and dynamic church rarely go together.
Let me try and clarify: prayer is not passive but active. Yet this does not mean it must be audiable or vocalised. The Christian Church, both Orthodox and Western Roman have understood this for 2000 years. During the Kyrie one should think of our personal sinfulness and the redepmtive power of Christ, soon to be encountered in the sacred mystery of the holy Eucharist. This brings calvary into the present and represents it. A said confession, although good, is somewhat shallow by comparison.
@1401JSC I never "just wait for the Kyrie to end" it always ends to soon for my taste because I have alot of sins to be contemplating over, as do all men. if you can contemplate the entire mystery of what Christ did for us by dying on the cross in only six minutes every Sunday for the rest of your life, I can assure you that you haven't even scratched the surface of what Christ did for us.
wow, what indoctrination can achieve