I've said this before and I'll say it again. Genshin is literally the ONLY game I've played where it feels like I have to look up a third-party video, or a wiki to learn about a character. Instead of just learning about them through playing the game.
@@LeaveMeAloneFBI I think this also applies to HSR, but mainly for teams and less so how characters work, and their kits. It's very hard to know what teams work together unless you look it up
I HATE that they make Albedo's story quest a cliffhanger and his actual story time-limited. How are new players supposed to know who even he is without searching for clues on the internet. and this is the case for so many characters in early game
To this day I still think that events like Unreconciled Stars, and anything to do with Dragonspine should have been made permanent. It can be debated that there are events that feel more festive and appropriate for certain times of year (like Lantern Rite.) But URS and Dragonspine have content that is incredibly important to both lore and character's stories. But since they're limited, a majority of players lack a lot of important context. I know a lot of people who don't understand why others love Albedo because they missed out on 90% of his content (and the good content for Albedo was all in limited events.) I'd argue that a lot of Scaramouche/Wanderer's appeal is lost because of this bad habit. There's URS, but there was also that event in Inazuma where it was revealed that it was Scara who was conspiring against the noble families. Not just events either. A more personal view of his own back story, like how he joined the Fatui WILLINGLY and already had a condescending attitude towards humans before he was Scara, are kept behind certain artifact sets (which only hardcover lore lovers read.) And now he has a friggen baby DRAGON, which also ties him with Albedo. Everyone who didn't play Dragonspine, and Simulnka is going to be so confused. Or worse, not have the impact the devs want you to feel. And this is just one example. Arguments can be made for so many others. Like how I didn't know who YaoYao was for a while because I missed out on that Lantern Rite. Just...Make certain events required or optional "DLCs" Genshin devs. I beg you.
@@pinkraven7043 yeah. I played Simulanka and was really excited since I've kept track of the story loosely, but it's an incredibly weird and inconvenient way to do things. I get you
@@jetkirby3981that moment when books explain more relevant events that’d help the traveler find the truth their sibling wants them to seek than going to an entire region just to ask 1-2 people a question they most likely won’t have a single clue about
The story is the AQ that you're supposed to follow, books and all that are just the lore, which in my opinion are far more interesting than the main story most of the time even if almost all of them are not relevant to it in any way
My biggest problem with Genshin's story is the sheer amount of DIALOG. So much of it could be shortened or completely chucked out. Even when playing through stories I'm genuinely interested in, I still sometimes skip through or stop paying attention. It gets boring fast. I don't have the time nor energy to listen to 100+ lines of dialog for one world quest storyline
@@hannahtgp9421 I knew about the false sky because of unreconciled stars, but the fact this is true proves how much content there is that you need to really search for and that irritates me 😭
Man as someone who started Genshin during Fontaine, I had a lot of information that I had no way of knowing due to my them being held in events. For example, when doing Story Quests I got to Albedo’s and really enjoyed it. I wanted more though so I looked into it only to discover two entire events focused on Albedo’s story that can’t be accessed anymore despite their importance to both his character and the building the lore of Dragonspine up more. Imagine joining nowadays only to discover how much was gone from being accessed by new players. It just feels sad.
me fr,i started during Fontaine so i also had no access to story locked behind events,but the worst thing is that ive heard another hoyo game lets u replay events. (i think it was hsr??idk)
I agree with you. Which is why I love that the Star Rail Devs didn't lean hard on fomo with their events. I haven't played it in about 3 months, and I know I'll be about to experience what everyone else has experienced without any issues. Since the former head of the genshin dev team has been removed, we can only hope that they add the exact same function Star Rail has.
I really hate the time limited events( the lore relevant ones) after missing them the game's story feels so disjointed, you can really feel that there was supposed to be other stories and stuff to do that just isn't there any longer. Really makes genshin story look like an incomplete puzzle with important pieces missing.
I have fallen asleep to so many world quests it's insane, I wish I was joking that most of the times I don't even know what's happening in these quests since I keep dozing off because the lack of voice acting and cutscenes it's just awful for someone with a terrible sleeping schedule
I'd recommend to get a proper sleeping schedule then and doing the Natlan saurian world quest. Shouldn't doze off while doing the Ochkanatlan part tho, since it actually has too much of important lore🥲😅
Even though I have played lantern rite 2023 and 2024, I was genuinely upset for the players who haven’t played lantern rite 2023 when playing 2024. This is genuinely because 2023 is crucial to understanding the context of some events, and even specifically Xianyun as a whole character.
My biggest problem with genshin is this game's characters. It's because they are treated as toys for the writers. Once you get a new shinier one - you forget about the old one, so it's just lying there... abandoned. And an amount of characters that get enough screentime for me to care about them is close to none. Why should I care about Collei's trauma, if I've never heard of it or seen it if i didn't read the manhwa? Why should Lynette's rough childhood be an exscuse for her to be a boring silent character? It is realistic, yes, but I try to immerse myself in fantasy worlds to see something more interesting than an average behavior portrayal. It would have been a lot more interesting to see her grow and battle her past, not succumb to it. It could have been fixed if her character had a "example of what NOT to do" spin, but the game pretty much forces us to be sympathetic with these characters. Similar arguments can be used to pretty much the rest of the cast. Why should i care about their heart-breaking backstories if the are static at the end of all things? No characters had proper redemptions, morally ambigious characters tend to be kind of nothing burgers and everyone else is pretty much a serious douche, an average middle aged person or a happy silly kind sweetn summer child. You cannot write a good story without characters, unfortunately... Good video, I love me some Genshin anaylsis videos!
@@icemask9431 i'd recommend my "Genshin Impact's Character Problem" video to you if that's the case lmao. I do agree with you though. The manga can be a big wrench in some arcs within Sumeru & Mondstadt
@@ItsJustT I'm actually planing to watch this vid of yours. Your channel is pretty new to me, but i don't have that much spare time on my hands right now, so I miss out on some stuff... Definitely binging your vids when things will get better though. Love your channel so far, keep it up!
@@icemask9431 @@icemask9431 lmao, no pressure. Be warned though, a video like this being so unanimously agreed upon is pretty rare, so you may hate alot of my recent takes outside of this one 😋
@@ItsJustT Oh don't you worry, I'm pretty ruthless towards Genshin as a whole, even though I have an AR 58 main account, an AR 56 second account and an AR 38 challenge run account. My relationship with this game is very "love-hate" to put it lightly. I've agreed with most if not all of your takes so far, so I'm interested in seeing the other ones
@@icemask9431 Another issue with characters is that we NEVER get to the see the main cast interact with each other. And when we do it's some extreme surface level interaction. Characters work best when they're bouncing off of other characters. I used to not like ganyu, but playing cloud retainers story quest and watching her interactions with cloud retainer actually made me like her a little more.
So was Neuvillete, and Emilie, and Mage N...this is nothing new. That post you mentioned doesn't even give any crucial information. We learned everything we needed to know about Xbalanque from the archon quests themselves
I’m not as against environmental storytelling because of the dark souls series and Elden Ring, where a lot of the story is through that. But then again those are hardcore games and is just a part of their “thing”.
When world quests are paragraph after paragraph of text followed by lackluster presentation and animations I've seen 1000 times before... How can Hoyo expect me to pay attention? Also am I the only one bothered by the fact that no one opens their mouth when there's unvoiced dialogue? It's so jarring.
Saying world quest have lackluster presentation just shows that people only stuck at version 2. Look up world quests in Sumeru and Fontaine. And if you still think they are lackluster you're just being contrarian at this point lol. To each their own I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@yoiko89 i assumed so. But if majority of languages suffer from the issue, it's worth mentioning. Though, there aren't many ways to fix it, they could atleast pace the dialogue to fit certain camera movements & animations
@@alphadios2005 Ah Sumeru world quests, where the npc that no one remembers talks for 50 hours The small good cutscene or something you may remember doesn't make up for that.
The only thing I wanna comment on is your opinion that genshin wants you to look at the social media posts of official accounts for important lore. I disagree with this, especially your evaluation of A Winter Night’s Lazzo and other such animations, like the Fontaine and Natlan main story teaser. They’re not really as important to the lore as you make them seem, but rather just introductions to new characters. Let’s take A Winter Night’s Lazzo for example. What lore implications does it really have? Really it just shows us a building in Snezhnaya, confirms that Signora is dead, gives faces to the Fatui Harbingers we hadn’t met already, and gives us a bit of a teaser for Sumeru. Other than that, there’s also vague dialogue about the conflict between Snezhnaya and Celestia, but it’s not really important dialogue in the end. As for the whole chess game stuff, that people theorized over to predict genshin story is, in my opinion, not as important as people make it out to be. Are there some videos that do fill in some parts of the story? Yes, but that’s mainly just the Arlechino animation, which just shows us her backstory, a thing which is also talked about in Arlechino’s character quest, so it isn’t as essential as people would really think. Overall, the social media posts on official genshin accounts really are just advertisements that look like lore.
Still i would say that the promotional stuff is very important because of the experience it provides, the way the game actually presents it's story feels like a very watered down version of what they advertise ( at least to me). If you ingore all the promotional posts and animations and extra stuff and just focus on playing the game, genshin feels like one of the most boring and bland games to play. So even if it's not necessary to know the lore, it is probably the best way to know genshin's lore and story( apart from watching some youtuber explain the lore, that feels more engaging to me than whatever vn stuff genshin pulls). Though ultimately these are just my opinions, feel free to disagree.
@@AnArtistInAVoid it's a pretty minor thing, that's why it's at the beginning of the video and is a small segment. But when they use Arlecchino's whole animation and then water it down to screenshots in game, I notice that. Let me reword it. To have a full storyline experience in certain areas, it's near necessary to watch some stuff on social media. If you want to experience Arlecchino's storyline in the highest quality provided by Hoyoverse, you'd need to go to their social media account to watch the short. I'm pretty sure I said somewhere that I personally don't care and I think it's cool, but it undeniably contributes to the obscurity of the storyline
People dont listen to the dialouge because of a core issue of the game. The characters are bland, and even with voice acting are a chore to have to listen to. If youre going to make me sit here and listen to a yap fest, then at least give the characters actually intertesting personalities and dialoge.
Another issue is the direction and activity of the scenes. If it's not a serious cutscene, the animation of every character borders on "stiff". Characters move rather awkwardly in some scenes (like how walking requires awkwardly stopping, turning around, stopping, and then walking.) And if they're not moving, they...Stand there and talk. And everyone, NPCs included, uses the same animations for certain movements (walk, crossing arms, arms up when shocked, arms on hips, hands up on face when pondering, etc.) Facial expressions run the same too- it wasn't until Natlan where they started pushing the boundaries with more goofy faces. So for a while, a majority of Genshin characters just lack unique body language. Which is the most important thing to use to make them more engaging. It's why the idles are so appealing. It's the only time in-game where we see all the playable characters do something that is just THEM. We don't even see that in normal dialogue scenes. At least in the usual talking scenes, I wish the Genshin devs would be more willing to "animate" the characters. More fluid movement, more expressions, more fun camera angles, etc. Just look at the MMD animations made by fans and compare them to the animation in the game. Even HSR characters feel more "expressive" due to its presentation and quality.
@pinkraven7043 you really nailed it, the sheer amount of reused animations( which is so painfully noticeable like they don't even try to hide or streamline it atleast) is mind boggling, like where does all that monthly revenue even go.
I feel like the characters themselves aren't really the problem, the thing is that the way the dialogue works reduces them to ''surprised'' ''pondering'' ''crossed arms'' (just like pinkraven said here) imagine how much characters like furina or kazuha would shine if the archon quests weren't just huge yap sections
@@moneywaffles9912 this is very real, and just gets worse in world quests. Though I think Natlan's new quests are really getting closer to have interesting dynamics and animations, like with the ancient name awakenings and Ororon and Citlali's dynamic
Totally agree. Hoyo has always had a storytelling problem- I’ve played honkai 3rd as well. Everyone praises the writing but its execution is even worse. Genshin and honkai lore are equally compelling, but they hide it in piles of books and absolutely boring text. (Though the bad text can be accredited to translation errors)
@@ellaalisaq same. Partially. There's a big improvement, like I mentioned with things like Natlan. Though, I do still see a problem, just a significantly improved upon one
Yeah but as a new player, having to get through the old content just feels so bad, especially without the previous events the old regions feel so empty like after the archon quest and some side quests there is nothing interesting to do there.
I respect your opinion but i disagree with lot of things you said(i am guessing you don’t know lore of the game that much?). For example enkanomiya. It was from unified civilization and most important things are those enkanomiya books. Those books dropped the biggest lore about primordial one (heavenly principle), shades, unified civilization etc. But those books are meant to be hidden. Those are forbidden books. Orbashi (skeleton you see inazuma island) sentenced to death by heaven because he read those books. Question is do you really need to know those lore for enjoying the main story? Not really. You can enjoy main story like anime. You can enjoy like shounen anime imo. Lore is for people who wanna understand the world more. So they can read those extra info if they want to. Just like formsoftware games genshin have lore behind everything. Even a rock you found randomly. Also i hard disagree with your take with WQs. WQs are usually same as AQs in terms of writing if not better. Specially region main WQs. It's look like they Don't have restrictions like making playable characters doing something "cringy" for sell, or even bypass pg 13. They go all out with WQs. Sumeru's one of best character is jhet, also many people actually cried when arama sacrificed (even cc like murderofbirds). Let's not talk about king Deshret. Sumeru 60% writing actually about him. And desert lore one of the best. Same with fontaine ordo quest. Rene (gigachad) one of the best written character like king Deshret. Fontaine today (technology) because of him and his friends. He is just like furina but suffered more, done many things for fontaine but didn’t got happy ending like furina.(like i said they can go all out and don’t have restrictions like can't kill the character) Now question is do you really need to know all this to enjoy main story (AQ)? Not really. But it will enhance your enjoyment 10x because many things you may understand better than someone who don’t know/read lore. Genshin is insanely detailed world. Every little area in genshin have actual history like real world. Like there was a city in desert named gurabad. Oh boy that city history like game of thrones level writing. Desert had many cities like this with detailed history. Now do you really want all those in AQs? When many people who don’t play for the story already complain why there is so many dialogue. And people don’t pay attention to story gonna button mash dialogue anyway. I think many people don’t understand/know difference Between "lore" and "story". I agree with limited time event tho. Those people who actually want to know about those lore should have option to download and play those even story. Sorry for this big paragraph and yapping. Great video tho. It's nice to hear people with different Opinion.
if you believe Genshin is bad, oh boy where do I start with other hoyoverse titles like Honkai Star Rail and Zenless Zone Zero, which require you social media and FOMO
I doubt they already have a story plan out from beginning. Plus you can only do so much in 45 days to optimise the games for the new areas, characters, ideas and glitch even if you can hire 100 more employees. The live service model really isn't doing any good for its development time.
Genshin has so much potential gameplay wise and lore wise. But hoyo basically just isn't smart enough, creative enough and overall just SUCKS at story telling or summarizing unimportant things or explanations. Most of the times their explanations look like they're meant for children. Or people who can't read or understand things fast. Just look at how many times hoyo has wasted our time with useless dialogues that should've never have even made it into the game. It's basically just there to suck out more play time out of us AND to waste our storage.
@@ItsJustT Omg I hope you slept well!! But thank yourself more for making this video and even bringing these things up. Bc I noticed a lot of big content creators don't bring these topics and obvious problems up and basically just ignore everything bad hoyo does and just keep praising hoyo,as if hoyo is the best god or something💀. But anywaysssss thank YOU for being so real, authentic and not brainwashed like most people in the genshin community!! Btw I subscribed immediately lol and I hope that you become more big and successful soon. I'm rooting for you!!✨✨✨
Honestly my biggest problem is that’s it’s just dialogue after dialogue after dialogue with very little actual gameplay. Give us more puzzles to do, more enemies to fight, more areas to explore DURING the quest. And with all this talking, it feels like nothing is said at all. Like 70% of it could be cut and we’d lose nothing of value. They never get to the point. TV shows don’t have this problem because they have to fit into a specific runtime. But Genshin quests can just go on and on with no restrictions. It makes it really hard to plan out when to play quests. It’s really annoying.
I would agree but also Id hate this because I skip through the story in game while watching someone else react to the stories (more immersive than clicking 100000x times and I can focus like in a movie) but the thing is they already do this! but bad! they keep pausing the story so paimon can drag us to bed then we need to teleport across the country, do story, teleport again, walk, story, teleport again... like its just tedious and interrupts the story because often there isnt that much going on where youd need to process it. what they SHOULD do is instead of inflating the time by adding in running or puzzles to actually add in things that are relevant to the story. kinda like in sumeru running around with nilou (tho a bit boring) or when you ran using cyno and deyha in the dessert for the reveals etc.
They are 100% trying to pad out the runtime, especially with long world quests. I think the only important lore in the Aranara quest for example is that Lumine/Aether was in Sumeru 500 years ago, and that usually only children can see the Aranara. The quest could easily have been under an hour and got to the same point. A lot of the dialogue goes in circles or repeats things that were already mentioned. Instead of an NPC saying "help me with my problem" and us replaying "sure" it has to be something like; NPC "what should I do? maybe I should do this... no, that won't work..." Paimon "I wonder what's wrong with that NPC? Maybe we should ask and see what is wrong" Travaler "okay..." "...let's do that" Paimon "what seems to be the problem?" NPC "oh are you adventurers?" Paimon "yes we've gone on lots of adventures. Traveler is part of the adventurer's guild!" NPC "I wonder if maybe you would be able to help me with problem?" Paimon "what is the problem?" NPC "the problem is related to this, that, and the other, also yesterday I ate a whole sweet madame" Paimon "sweet madame is delicious, I we agree to help with problem will you give us sweet madam?" NPC "yes If you do X, Y, Z and solve problem for me I will reward you with food." Paimon "Looks like we should help them with problem huh?" Traveler "You just want free food Paimon..." or " Yes it would be bad if we ignored this problem" Quest takes 10X longer than needed due to dragging you all over the map and/or through some maze. NPC "thank you for helping with problem" Paimon "you're welcome, we totally just did it for the food though." NPC "hah hah you are a strange one , well here is the sweet madame and another reward for your efforts." (chest is sitting nearby) Traveler "thanks" NPC "don't mention it I'm just glad problem is solved. I couldn't have done it without your help."
You starts off complaining that theres no storytelling outside cutscenes and story and go on to say you know there is story telling outside cutscenes in artifacts, books, environment and gameplay. I was ready to rant about all the environmental storytelling you just started off with a false impression of genshin and even portrayed the other forms of storytelling as bad for not being included in the main story right after you complained about all of the story being only in the main story! The thing about events is fair but the storys told in world quests, and events especially are supposed to be rare obscure knowldege. The bigger problem is how they drop them in the main story assuming you know about them and worse assuming other characters know about them people are not supposed to know about the fake sky, or the dragon sovereigns lorewise even Khanriah's existance is supposed to be esoteric in lore.
That's kinda why I brought it up? They're always brought up years later in ways that falsely assume you know them to begin with, and I legit talked about obscurity in culture within the event section. Things like Fortnite's cosmetic industry thrive on obscurity and rarity 😭
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I've said this before and I'll say it again. Genshin is literally the ONLY game I've played where it feels like I have to look up a third-party video, or a wiki to learn about a character. Instead of just learning about them through playing the game.
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@@LeaveMeAloneFBI I think this also applies to HSR, but mainly for teams and less so how characters work, and their kits. It's very hard to know what teams work together unless you look it up
@@takendruidngl the lore can be like that in hsr too 😂
I HATE that they make Albedo's story quest a cliffhanger and his actual story time-limited. How are new players supposed to know who even he is without searching for clues on the internet.
and this is the case for so many characters in early game
To this day I still think that events like Unreconciled Stars, and anything to do with Dragonspine should have been made permanent.
It can be debated that there are events that feel more festive and appropriate for certain times of year (like Lantern Rite.) But URS and Dragonspine have content that is incredibly important to both lore and character's stories.
But since they're limited, a majority of players lack a lot of important context. I know a lot of people who don't understand why others love Albedo because they missed out on 90% of his content (and the good content for Albedo was all in limited events.)
I'd argue that a lot of Scaramouche/Wanderer's appeal is lost because of this bad habit. There's URS, but there was also that event in Inazuma where it was revealed that it was Scara who was conspiring against the noble families.
Not just events either. A more personal view of his own back story, like how he joined the Fatui WILLINGLY and already had a condescending attitude towards humans before he was Scara, are kept behind certain artifact sets (which only hardcover lore lovers read.)
And now he has a friggen baby DRAGON, which also ties him with Albedo. Everyone who didn't play Dragonspine, and Simulnka is going to be so confused. Or worse, not have the impact the devs want you to feel.
And this is just one example. Arguments can be made for so many others. Like how I didn't know who YaoYao was for a while because I missed out on that Lantern Rite.
Just...Make certain events required or optional "DLCs" Genshin devs. I beg you.
@@pinkraven7043 yeah. I played Simulanka and was really excited since I've kept track of the story loosely, but it's an incredibly weird and inconvenient way to do things. I get you
I was planning on paying attention to the story, then i found out 20% is in books...
@@quazinawaf FOR REAL
I wouldn't be surprised if it was more than 20%
@@ItsJustT For characters like Signora, it seems to be.
@@ItsJustT Books, the artifacts, majority of history and interesting moments that happened before the Traveler arrives there
@@jetkirby3981that moment when books explain more relevant events that’d help the traveler find the truth their sibling wants them to seek than going to an entire region just to ask 1-2 people a question they most likely won’t have a single clue about
The story is the AQ that you're supposed to follow, books and all that are just the lore, which in my opinion are far more interesting than the main story most of the time even if almost all of them are not relevant to it in any way
My biggest problem with Genshin's story is the sheer amount of DIALOG. So much of it could be shortened or completely chucked out. Even when playing through stories I'm genuinely interested in, I still sometimes skip through or stop paying attention. It gets boring fast. I don't have the time nor energy to listen to 100+ lines of dialog for one world quest storyline
Ngl this was the worst for me in the Sumeru AQ 😂
Some of the “lore drops “ in 5.1 quest is some things we have known for years for example seelies and their fate
@@hannahtgp9421 I knew about the false sky because of unreconciled stars, but the fact this is true proves how much content there is that you need to really search for and that irritates me 😭
@@ItsJustTyeah, that’s true.
Man as someone who started Genshin during Fontaine, I had a lot of information that I had no way of knowing due to my them being held in events.
For example, when doing Story Quests I got to Albedo’s and really enjoyed it. I wanted more though so I looked into it only to discover two entire events focused on Albedo’s story that can’t be accessed anymore despite their importance to both his character and the building the lore of Dragonspine up more.
Imagine joining nowadays only to discover how much was gone from being accessed by new players. It just feels sad.
me fr,i started during Fontaine so i also had no access to story locked behind events,but the worst thing is that ive heard another hoyo game lets u replay events. (i think it was hsr??idk)
I agree with you. Which is why I love that the Star Rail Devs didn't lean hard on fomo with their events. I haven't played it in about 3 months, and I know I'll be about to experience what everyone else has experienced without any issues.
Since the former head of the genshin dev team has been removed, we can only hope that they add the exact same function Star Rail has.
I missed the first 2 story events in the game since I wasn’t keeping up with events when I first started playing
The false sky was already mentionned in the end of the Sumeru AQ, so even if you missed out on like the Scara event it did not come out of nowhere
The only real issue here is with events that contain lore, everything else is pretty much alright
I really hate the time limited events( the lore relevant ones) after missing them the game's story feels so disjointed, you can really feel that there was supposed to be other stories and stuff to do that just isn't there any longer. Really makes genshin story look like an incomplete puzzle with important pieces missing.
I have fallen asleep to so many world quests it's insane, I wish I was joking that most of the times I don't even know what's happening in these quests since I keep dozing off because the lack of voice acting and cutscenes it's just awful for someone with a terrible sleeping schedule
@@odisleftpaw5663 me fr
I'd recommend to get a proper sleeping schedule then and doing the Natlan saurian world quest. Shouldn't doze off while doing the Ochkanatlan part tho, since it actually has too much of important lore🥲😅
Beneath the piles and piles of dialogue padding and lame Paimon jokes, there is a decent story somewhere.
@@fiaschampion3379 I like paimons jokes. Sometimes
Even though I have played lantern rite 2023 and 2024, I was genuinely upset for the players who haven’t played lantern rite 2023 when playing 2024. This is genuinely because 2023 is crucial to understanding the context of some events, and even specifically Xianyun as a whole character.
My biggest problem with genshin is this game's characters. It's because they are treated as toys for the writers. Once you get a new shinier one - you forget about the old one, so it's just lying there... abandoned. And an amount of characters that get enough screentime for me to care about them is close to none. Why should I care about Collei's trauma, if I've never heard of it or seen it if i didn't read the manhwa? Why should Lynette's rough childhood be an exscuse for her to be a boring silent character? It is realistic, yes, but I try to immerse myself in fantasy worlds to see something more interesting than an average behavior portrayal. It would have been a lot more interesting to see her grow and battle her past, not succumb to it. It could have been fixed if her character had a "example of what NOT to do" spin, but the game pretty much forces us to be sympathetic with these characters. Similar arguments can be used to pretty much the rest of the cast. Why should i care about their heart-breaking backstories if the are static at the end of all things? No characters had proper redemptions, morally ambigious characters tend to be kind of nothing burgers and everyone else is pretty much a serious douche, an average middle aged person or a happy silly kind sweetn summer child. You cannot write a good story without characters, unfortunately...
Good video, I love me some Genshin anaylsis videos!
@@icemask9431 i'd recommend my "Genshin Impact's Character Problem" video to you if that's the case lmao. I do agree with you though. The manga can be a big wrench in some arcs within Sumeru & Mondstadt
@@ItsJustT I'm actually planing to watch this vid of yours. Your channel is pretty new to me, but i don't have that much spare time on my hands right now, so I miss out on some stuff... Definitely binging your vids when things will get better though. Love your channel so far, keep it up!
@@icemask9431 @@icemask9431 lmao, no pressure. Be warned though, a video like this being so unanimously agreed upon is pretty rare, so you may hate alot of my recent takes outside of this one 😋
@@ItsJustT Oh don't you worry, I'm pretty ruthless towards Genshin as a whole, even though I have an AR 58 main account, an AR 56 second account and an AR 38 challenge run account. My relationship with this game is very "love-hate" to put it lightly. I've agreed with most if not all of your takes so far, so I'm interested in seeing the other ones
@@icemask9431 Another issue with characters is that we NEVER get to the see the main cast interact with each other. And when we do it's some extreme surface level interaction. Characters work best when they're bouncing off of other characters. I used to not like ganyu, but playing cloud retainers story quest and watching her interactions with cloud retainer actually made me like her a little more.
Xbalanque is first talked about in a post 💀
Yes Neuvillette too, in nahidas drip marketing
So was Neuvillete, and Emilie, and Mage N...this is nothing new. That post you mentioned doesn't even give any crucial information. We learned everything we needed to know about Xbalanque from the archon quests themselves
Same opinion but I honestly think that the game would have been more like a movie, if there was lip sink. Much much better. 6.9 times better.
I’m not as against environmental storytelling because of the dark souls series and Elden Ring, where a lot of the story is through that. But then again those are hardcore games and is just a part of their “thing”.
When world quests are paragraph after paragraph of text followed by lackluster presentation and animations I've seen 1000 times before... How can Hoyo expect me to pay attention?
Also am I the only one bothered by the fact that no one opens their mouth when there's unvoiced dialogue? It's so jarring.
Saying world quest have lackluster presentation just shows that people only stuck at version 2. Look up world quests in Sumeru and Fontaine. And if you still think they are lackluster you're just being contrarian at this point lol. To each their own I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@alphadios2005 typical white knight behavior.
@@BaselardFE and then the characters' mouth movements and animations are always out of sync with the dialogue too lmao 😭😭😭
@yoiko89 i assumed so. But if majority of languages suffer from the issue, it's worth mentioning. Though, there aren't many ways to fix it, they could atleast pace the dialogue to fit certain camera movements & animations
@@alphadios2005 Ah Sumeru world quests, where the npc that no one remembers talks for 50 hours
The small good cutscene or something you may remember doesn't make up for that.
The only thing I wanna comment on is your opinion that genshin wants you to look at the social media posts of official accounts for important lore. I disagree with this, especially your evaluation of A Winter Night’s Lazzo and other such animations, like the Fontaine and Natlan main story teaser.
They’re not really as important to the lore as you make them seem, but rather just introductions to new characters.
Let’s take A Winter Night’s Lazzo for example. What lore implications does it really have?
Really it just shows us a building in Snezhnaya, confirms that Signora is dead, gives faces to the Fatui Harbingers we hadn’t met already, and gives us a bit of a teaser for Sumeru. Other than that, there’s also vague dialogue about the conflict between Snezhnaya and Celestia, but it’s not really important dialogue in the end.
As for the whole chess game stuff, that people theorized over to predict genshin story is, in my opinion, not as important as people make it out to be.
Are there some videos that do fill in some parts of the story? Yes, but that’s mainly just the Arlechino animation, which just shows us her backstory, a thing which is also talked about in Arlechino’s character quest, so it isn’t as essential as people would really think.
Overall, the social media posts on official genshin accounts really are just advertisements that look like lore.
Destroyed em
You are right
Still i would say that the promotional stuff is very important because of the experience it provides, the way the game actually presents it's story feels like a very watered down version of what they advertise ( at least to me). If you ingore all the promotional posts and animations and extra stuff and just focus on playing the game, genshin feels like one of the most boring and bland games to play. So even if it's not necessary to know the lore, it is probably the best way to know genshin's lore and story( apart from watching some youtuber explain the lore, that feels more engaging to me than whatever vn stuff genshin pulls). Though ultimately these are just my opinions, feel free to disagree.
@@AnArtistInAVoid it's a pretty minor thing, that's why it's at the beginning of the video and is a small segment. But when they use Arlecchino's whole animation and then water it down to screenshots in game, I notice that. Let me reword it. To have a full storyline experience in certain areas, it's near necessary to watch some stuff on social media. If you want to experience Arlecchino's storyline in the highest quality provided by Hoyoverse, you'd need to go to their social media account to watch the short. I'm pretty sure I said somewhere that I personally don't care and I think it's cool, but it undeniably contributes to the obscurity of the storyline
0:09 they're also told in speeches or conversation. theres also plays
I'll remember this for next time I do the bit. Thank you sincerely
Even the lore drops don’t feel good because they feel predictable
People dont listen to the dialouge because of a core issue of the game. The characters are bland, and even with voice acting are a chore to have to listen to.
If youre going to make me sit here and listen to a yap fest, then at least give the characters actually intertesting personalities and dialoge.
Another issue is the direction and activity of the scenes.
If it's not a serious cutscene, the animation of every character borders on "stiff".
Characters move rather awkwardly in some scenes (like how walking requires awkwardly stopping, turning around, stopping, and then walking.) And if they're not moving, they...Stand there and talk.
And everyone, NPCs included, uses the same animations for certain movements (walk, crossing arms, arms up when shocked, arms on hips, hands up on face when pondering, etc.) Facial expressions run the same too- it wasn't until Natlan where they started pushing the boundaries with more goofy faces.
So for a while, a majority of Genshin characters just lack unique body language. Which is the most important thing to use to make them more engaging.
It's why the idles are so appealing. It's the only time in-game where we see all the playable characters do something that is just THEM. We don't even see that in normal dialogue scenes.
At least in the usual talking scenes, I wish the Genshin devs would be more willing to "animate" the characters. More fluid movement, more expressions, more fun camera angles, etc.
Just look at the MMD animations made by fans and compare them to the animation in the game. Even HSR characters feel more "expressive" due to its presentation and quality.
@pinkraven7043 you really nailed it, the sheer amount of reused animations( which is so painfully noticeable like they don't even try to hide or streamline it atleast) is mind boggling, like where does all that monthly revenue even go.
I feel like the characters themselves aren't really the problem, the thing is that the way the dialogue works reduces them to ''surprised'' ''pondering'' ''crossed arms'' (just like pinkraven said here) imagine how much characters like furina or kazuha would shine if the archon quests weren't just huge yap sections
@@moneywaffles9912 this is very real, and just gets worse in world quests. Though I think Natlan's new quests are really getting closer to have interesting dynamics and animations, like with the ancient name awakenings and Ororon and Citlali's dynamic
@@pinkraven7043and it's even worse in mobile with lag
i'mma be real, i didn't even realize the art for arlechino's story quest was from an animation on social media lmao
@@hedgehugs THIS IS THE PROBLEM LMAO
The problem with Genshin is that it was a good story but really bad story telling 😐 like jus let me write genshin
LMAO
Totally agree. Hoyo has always had a storytelling problem- I’ve played honkai 3rd as well. Everyone praises the writing but its execution is even worse. Genshin and honkai lore are equally compelling, but they hide it in piles of books and absolutely boring text. (Though the bad text can be accredited to translation errors)
My problem with this kind of videos is that I agree with this problems with early content, but I don't see any problem at all with newer content.
@@ellaalisaq same. Partially. There's a big improvement, like I mentioned with things like Natlan. Though, I do still see a problem, just a significantly improved upon one
Yeah but as a new player, having to get through the old content just feels so bad, especially without the previous events the old regions feel so empty like after the archon quest and some side quests there is nothing interesting to do there.
I respect your opinion but i disagree with lot of things you said(i am guessing you don’t know lore of the game that much?). For example enkanomiya. It was from unified civilization and most important things are those enkanomiya books. Those books dropped the biggest lore about primordial one (heavenly principle), shades, unified civilization etc. But those books are meant to be hidden. Those are forbidden books. Orbashi (skeleton you see inazuma island) sentenced to death by heaven because he read those books. Question is do you really need to know those lore for enjoying the main story? Not really. You can enjoy main story like anime. You can enjoy like shounen anime imo. Lore is for people who wanna understand the world more. So they can read those extra info if they want to. Just like formsoftware games genshin have lore behind everything. Even a rock you found randomly.
Also i hard disagree with your take with WQs. WQs are usually same as AQs in terms of writing if not better. Specially region main WQs. It's look like they Don't have restrictions like making playable characters doing something "cringy" for sell, or even bypass pg 13. They go all out with WQs. Sumeru's one of best character is jhet, also many people actually cried when arama sacrificed (even cc like murderofbirds). Let's not talk about king Deshret. Sumeru 60% writing actually about him. And desert lore one of the best. Same with fontaine ordo quest. Rene (gigachad) one of the best written character like king Deshret. Fontaine today (technology) because of him and his friends. He is just like furina but suffered more, done many things for fontaine but didn’t got happy ending like furina.(like i said they can go all out and don’t have restrictions like can't kill the character)
Now question is do you really need to know all this to enjoy main story (AQ)? Not really. But it will enhance your enjoyment 10x because many things you may understand better than someone who don’t know/read lore.
Genshin is insanely detailed world. Every little area in genshin have actual history like real world. Like there was a city in desert named gurabad. Oh boy that city history like game of thrones level writing. Desert had many cities like this with detailed history. Now do you really want all those in AQs? When many people who don’t play for the story already complain why there is so many dialogue. And people don’t pay attention to story gonna button mash dialogue anyway.
I think many people don’t understand/know difference Between "lore" and "story".
I agree with limited time event tho. Those people who actually want to know about those lore should have option to download and play those even story.
Sorry for this big paragraph and yapping.
Great video tho. It's nice to hear people with different Opinion.
The only reason I know Enkanomiya exists is because I randomly saw some youtubers mention the past event in it (I started in 3.1)
I need a skip button. Atleast for side quests .
if you believe Genshin is bad, oh boy where do I start with other hoyoverse titles like Honkai Star Rail and Zenless Zone Zero, which require you social media and FOMO
I'm sweating, shaking and near crying reading this
I'd say those games aren't as bad as Genshin, though😅
It also doesn't help that side quests have a ton of blabling.
It wasn't enough to not have VA they had to make it extremely boring and tiring to read.
I doubt they already have a story plan out from beginning. Plus you can only do so much in 45 days to optimise the games for the new areas, characters, ideas and glitch even if you can hire 100 more employees. The live service model really isn't doing any good for its development time.
Genshin has so much potential gameplay wise and lore wise. But hoyo basically just isn't smart enough, creative enough and overall just SUCKS at story telling or summarizing unimportant things or explanations. Most of the times their explanations look like they're meant for children. Or people who can't read or understand things fast. Just look at how many times hoyo has wasted our time with useless dialogues that should've never have even made it into the game. It's basically just there to suck out more play time out of us AND to waste our storage.
The storage is so real
@@ItsJustT OMG I didn't expect you to reply so early- I feel so honored and happy 😭💗
@@ErisNoir I just woke up so I'm responding to everything 😋 but thank you
@@ItsJustT Omg I hope you slept well!! But thank yourself more for making this video and even bringing these things up. Bc I noticed a lot of big content creators don't bring these topics and obvious problems up and basically just ignore everything bad hoyo does and just keep praising hoyo,as if hoyo is the best god or something💀. But anywaysssss thank YOU for being so real, authentic and not brainwashed like most people in the genshin community!! Btw I subscribed immediately lol and I hope that you become more big and successful soon. I'm rooting for you!!✨✨✨
@@ErisNoir thank you ❤️
Regarding the voice acting it would be great if we could get some more but thats not a storytelling critique.
It contributes to the tediousness when genuinely good stories like Chenyu Vale and Enkanomiya lack it but a poetry event gets it
Honestly my biggest problem is that’s it’s just dialogue after dialogue after dialogue with very little actual gameplay. Give us more puzzles to do, more enemies to fight, more areas to explore DURING the quest. And with all this talking, it feels like nothing is said at all. Like 70% of it could be cut and we’d lose nothing of value. They never get to the point. TV shows don’t have this problem because they have to fit into a specific runtime. But Genshin quests can just go on and on with no restrictions. It makes it really hard to plan out when to play quests. It’s really annoying.
I would agree but also Id hate this because I skip through the story in game while watching someone else react to the stories (more immersive than clicking 100000x times and I can focus like in a movie) but the thing is they already do this! but bad! they keep pausing the story so paimon can drag us to bed then we need to teleport across the country, do story, teleport again, walk, story, teleport again... like its just tedious and interrupts the story because often there isnt that much going on where youd need to process it.
what they SHOULD do is instead of inflating the time by adding in running or puzzles to actually add in things that are relevant to the story. kinda like in sumeru running around with nilou (tho a bit boring) or when you ran using cyno and deyha in the dessert for the reveals etc.
They are 100% trying to pad out the runtime, especially with long world quests. I think the only important lore in the Aranara quest for example is that Lumine/Aether was in Sumeru 500 years ago, and that usually only children can see the Aranara.
The quest could easily have been under an hour and got to the same point.
A lot of the dialogue goes in circles or repeats things that were already mentioned. Instead of an NPC saying "help me with my problem" and us replaying "sure" it has to be something like;
NPC "what should I do? maybe I should do this... no, that won't work..."
Paimon "I wonder what's wrong with that NPC? Maybe we should ask and see what is wrong"
Travaler "okay..." "...let's do that"
Paimon "what seems to be the problem?"
NPC "oh are you adventurers?"
Paimon "yes we've gone on lots of adventures. Traveler is part of the adventurer's guild!"
NPC "I wonder if maybe you would be able to help me with problem?"
Paimon "what is the problem?"
NPC "the problem is related to this, that, and the other, also yesterday I ate a whole sweet madame"
Paimon "sweet madame is delicious, I we agree to help with problem will you give us sweet madam?"
NPC "yes If you do X, Y, Z and solve problem for me I will reward you with food."
Paimon "Looks like we should help them with problem huh?"
Traveler "You just want free food Paimon..." or " Yes it would be bad if we ignored this problem"
Quest takes 10X longer than needed due to dragging you all over the map and/or through some maze.
NPC "thank you for helping with problem"
Paimon "you're welcome, we totally just did it for the food though."
NPC "hah hah you are a strange one , well here is the sweet madame and another reward for your efforts." (chest is sitting nearby)
Traveler "thanks"
NPC "don't mention it I'm just glad problem is solved. I couldn't have done it without your help."
This is why Natlan is so W in Act 4 bro. I think I mentioned that in the surface section
@@ItsJustT I haven't been to Natlan yet, so I can't comment on that, but I'm glad to hear that.
@@Melotaku yeah, it's a massive gameplay segment of storytelling. You'll love it. Everyone has thusfar
95% of Signora's information is in artifacts/books/non events. LAZY.
Yeah. I agree
Why your Voice sound like Geh ?
is this bad or good tell me
You starts off complaining that theres no storytelling outside cutscenes and story and go on to say you know there is story telling outside cutscenes in artifacts, books, environment and gameplay. I was ready to rant about all the environmental storytelling you just started off with a false impression of genshin and even portrayed the other forms of storytelling as bad for not being included in the main story right after you complained about all of the story being only in the main story!
The thing about events is fair but the storys told in world quests, and events especially are supposed to be rare obscure knowldege. The bigger problem is how they drop them in the main story assuming you know about them and worse assuming other characters know about them people are not supposed to know about the fake sky, or the dragon sovereigns lorewise even Khanriah's existance is supposed to be esoteric in lore.
That's kinda why I brought it up? They're always brought up years later in ways that falsely assume you know them to begin with, and I legit talked about obscurity in culture within the event section. Things like Fortnite's cosmetic industry thrive on obscurity and rarity 😭
I see nahida I click
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