Misconceptions about reloading

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  • @kristian762
    @kristian762 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Hand loading for precision rifle shooting is very different to mass hand loading pistol ammo

  • @thetexasrat
    @thetexasrat 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Definitely disagree about not being able to make better ammo than the factories. The fact that one can tailor the ammo to their gun is something factories can not do.

  • @DavidMiller-ih4li
    @DavidMiller-ih4li 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I agree with most of what u said, but not the part about "tuning" ammo. Of course it isn't going to shoot itself, but I will take my "tuned" reloaded ammo any day over any factory ammo. My ammo behaves in a way I designed it and wanted it to behave which helps to improve my overall performance as my ammo always behaves the same way. Different factory ammos behave different ways and I want consistency and predictability, which is what I get from my reloads.

    • @briancarpenter1255
      @briancarpenter1255 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Totally agree. That is why they call it load development, and being able to take it from a new case all the way to the range to see what your specific rifle likes is why I got into hand loading. I believe the misconception of many is that reloading and handloading are the same.

  • @gunracr
    @gunracr 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Yes tuning ammo for a particular gun set up is a reality and absolutely necessary for open division.Depending on your definition of success in (USPSA/IPSC) if for no other reason finding the load that exploits the compensator capability and the lightest recoil spring that is reliable with said load. And the best answer I ever got from a seasoned reloader not even in the sport is you probably wont save any money you'll just be able to train more for the same cost. And when you've become really serious about your progression in the sport the fact is your going to spend more.

  • @SA-py3ke
    @SA-py3ke 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    I tell people that bulk loading for practical pistol isn’t like being a chef, it’s like being kitchen staff at a school cafeteria.

    • @masonlane2030
      @masonlane2030  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Perfect analogy

    • @stone7953
      @stone7953 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Mostly agree , but you should add pistol ammo. Rifle ammo it's completely different, properly handloaded rifle ammo is night and day better and yes you tune your load for your gun. Know body makes oem rifle ammo that compares to a load for your gun.

  • @jimc3688
    @jimc3688 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Don’t forget about the dedicated floor space and proper storage of the raw materials.

  • @amym828
    @amym828 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Your thoughts on myth #1 may be true because your view of shooting is limited to just handgun shooting (based on the videos you upload). I can absolutely tell you my handloaded ammo is better than anything factory made when I shoot out to a mile or even further. It looks like your may only shoot pistol and thats fine, but make sure you say you state that you are only speaking to what you know and are familiar with because just making a blanket statement that you can't make ammo better than factory doesn't apply to all shooting disciplines.

  • @ipsc-guru
    @ipsc-guru 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks for sharing your views! I shoot OD in 9mm major and need to reload primarily based out of necessity, because it's impossible to purchase 9mm major ammo in EU and open guns are also picky and sensitive to the kind of ammo they shoot, even if they're from the same brand and type. If I would be able to purchase quality 9mm major ammo, I certainly would. Making qualitative ammo takes time, which is very valuable, considering all other private and professional obligations.

  • @seanc06791
    @seanc06791 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    'its just something i have to do'. ....yes :(

  • @NESig
    @NESig 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You have to be something of a mechanic to be a reloader. The press is going to go whack-a-doodle at some point. And it's going to do it more than once. In different ways. You have to be able to diagnose the issue and then fix it. But I enjoy reloading ammo. It's a rewarding hobby and very relaxing (as long as you can keep the press running smoothly.)

  • @keithholcomb8808
    @keithholcomb8808 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Profound words spoken. Truth.

  • @MrZola1234
    @MrZola1234 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As I hear a lot of guys say, i don't really save money, but I get to shoot a lot more for the same amount of money. That is still saving though. I am just getting into modern pistol comps. I am on the fence about reloading. i have similar experience loading light 38 special loads in mass for Cowboy action shooting. The difference is manufactured ammo for cowboy runs about $27-$35 a box of 50. So, you can save 60%+ reloading.
    When you are talking 9mm, lot more production out there. You can find heavy bullet low FPS ammo under $20 for 50 when bought in bulk. i almost think it might be better to use my loading time for extra practice time. As always, it becomes a time vs money question... unless you are a guy who enjoys the reloading as a hobby in of itself... I was there a while back myself, but if I can swing it, I would rather get better faster at the shooting if I can swing the expense.

  • @michall3918
    @michall3918 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i 99.9% agree. Loaded at least 50k budget 9x19 rounds. About reliability - If i check the ammo by hand as in gauge it and feel primer depth then i belive its better then factory, at least i trust it more. Random rounds it really depends on the gun and process, about 1/3 of my ammo fails gauge checks but i dont care, for training i dont even check it and get failure rate of about 1/1000 or less. But thats in my particular gun, i bet that something with tight chamber would fail to run that ammo. As to 'tuning' its mostly bs. But heavy bullet on fast powder has a different feeling then light bullet on slow powder and so on. Its not really matter of better/worse but more preference. I happen to prefer heavy bullet which is way more expensive in factory ammo but im able to do it while reloading at a very similar cost to light bullet. So there is some truth to that.
    Oh also, do not go into reloading for saving money :D. Just be honest with yourself and do it to shoot more. You are gonna spend same money but shoot more ammo.

  • @stevailo
    @stevailo 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    About reliability, I like that fact that when I load my ammo I’m in charge of its quality. If I get a click, I know I need to check primer dept, and so on. When I shot with factory I had some dead primers and I wasn’t able to solve the issue for sure, like I did when I had the same issue after I started reloading

  • @DFogify
    @DFogify 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Even in the current market, the cost savings from loading add up assuming you have spare time and sufficient throughput with your press. 132PF 147gr loads will run you about $0.16-0.20 per round depending on primer costs usually. That's a savings of about $50-90 per 1000. On a progressive that's cranking 400-500 per hour, it might be worth your time to load, even more so if you're shooting volume is over 10K per year.
    As with everything, it comes down to, how much is your time worth? If you have the hour or two to spare every weekend to pump out 1000 rounds and intend to shoot it and not just stockpile it, the answer might be yes.

  • @ShaneAtwell-g8c
    @ShaneAtwell-g8c 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Mason, I think for those of us that really take advantage of it, we save ZERO because we just shoot more. 😂 savings per round but more rounds fired net savings = 0

  • @davecollins6113
    @davecollins6113 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A lot of what you said is valid, the way you said it and presented it is poorly done. There is another world outside of 9mm, 223, and 308 and competitions, those cartridges are probably better bought in bulk, on sale if you need bulk qty's. Quality and consistency of factory ammo is hit & miss on a good day compared to what you can do with your handloads. It does take time and compnents to develop loads for your gun, but, once that's done, you can duplicate it time and time again. Sometimes reloading will alow a person to use a gun that you can't get ammo for, may be a heirloom, or just a gun you really like.The time spent and investment made, is up to the individual and their goals for whatever purpose they envision. For some the time spent is limited, for others, the budget is limited, some don't actually have the patience or budget req'd. No matter what you do with a gun, you are burning time & money anyway, it's all up to the individual.

  • @mmike40451
    @mmike40451 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    While agree with some of it. Before covid I loaded 40 ammo, because I was shooting limited. The guns like longer ammo. Shooting mostly 9mm now I can get decent deals on factory ammo. I think I go about 50/50 on reload 9mm and factory.

  • @davids8413
    @davids8413 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    About 4000 rds into reloading. My experience reflects your comments. Reliable enough for practice, definitely not match quality

  • @Dfgbuiiyyyybb
    @Dfgbuiiyyyybb 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There are online cost calculators out there. To help you figure out costs of reloading (outside of the initial investment).
    You also need to have the right personality. If you don’t like repetitive tasks and you can’t pay attention reloading might not be for you.
    Remember you’re working with thing that go bang.

  • @KennyFlagg
    @KennyFlagg 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Point of privilege, my team gifted me a progressive press with a mark7 so there’s never been a “payoff calculation”.
    So a different learning curve going only off sight and sound - never “feeling” the handle at each station. That being said, I don’t sense it’s a rare experience where learning reloading for practical shooting results in a coffee can of junked components (especially when using range-picked brass). I’ve accidentally developed low PF loads, a batch of rounds destined for specific training due to high primers, and a couple primer detonations 💥.
    Personal life and temperament get in the way, and it’s not a good vibe reloading last-minute anticipating breaking something on the press.
    Chamber check everything; protect your eyes; drink espresso.

  • @MichaelMaduske
    @MichaelMaduske 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Mason, you are an EXTREMELY intelligent individual and you are spot on with many of your key points. However, the cost savings you speak of are only true if you had purchased ALL of your components pre-Covid/pre-election. I have been reloading for about 3.5 years now and my cost per is about $0.21. I can buy factory 9mm at about $0.23 per if I catch a sale. Not sure if the cost savings is worth it, right now. When I shot major PF, loading made more sense. Now that I am back shooting minor, probably going to switch to factory.

    • @masonlane2030
      @masonlane2030  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Makes sense to me

    • @MichaelMaduske
      @MichaelMaduske 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@masonlane2030Like I said, you are very intelligent 😘

  • @bellcoolmountain6650
    @bellcoolmountain6650 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you Big Boss Man

  • @765para
    @765para 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One more reason: Build the power factor you need. This is true for high PF ammo (e.g. 9mm major), but also for the lower end of the spectrum (e.g PF of 95 and 105 for IDPA BUG and CCP). On the low PF spectrum it is tricky to find ammo, and you have to figure out what still cycles your gun reliably.

    • @masonlane2030
      @masonlane2030  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I think the purpose of shooting small guns is to be good with stuff you’d actually carry. Doesn’t make sense to me to download ammo for that purpose.

    • @765para
      @765para 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@masonlane2030 I do agree, but here in Europe it is almost impossible to get a carry permit. With regard to shooting competition, it makes perfect sense to lower the PF accordingly.

  • @suits1460
    @suits1460 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Would like to hear your opinion on how did you choose your current ammo.
    And what was your thought/practice process to choose it. (115gr, 125gr, 147gr and 160gr ammo) Tyler Meisenheimer shoots 165, thats the heaviest I've seen a pro shoot for 9mm minor.

  • @joie0
    @joie0 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’ve only ever heard the exact opposite about loading ammo. However, the people I hear this from, shoot few rounds a year and can’t even fathom 20k 9mm rounds a year. I can only imagine the savings when that count gets to 40k or 60k a year.

  • @scottinohio701
    @scottinohio701 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How many rds a year do you shoot in practice?????

  • @uncleB1972
    @uncleB1972 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for the TRUTH. Hope you are well!

  • @NDcompetitiveshooter
    @NDcompetitiveshooter 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video!

  • @jdouguspsa
    @jdouguspsa 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    ya i can imagine it being drab to talk about gear having the understanding that its one of the least important aspects of the sport and people tend to harp on it too much, but i do find it interesting. a lot of times the gear gets talked about by youtubers who dont actually shoot much or shoot competitively, so hearing the perspective of someone with your experience is good. i thought this was a video about your reloading technique lol which i feel like i’ve seen get faster and smoother in more recent match footage. that’d be cool to hear about. how or if technique evolves w certain things.

  • @johnkoppi1960
    @johnkoppi1960 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Only one loader ! WTF a guy needs two at least. :)

  • @vinsonhelton7141
    @vinsonhelton7141 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's better if you say "for you". Telling others that they will experience what you have.....so far is probably not right.

  • @kevinmcdonald6849
    @kevinmcdonald6849 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I use a poly coated bullet. Is it normal for it not to be as accurate as factory ammo? And I pull bullets to make sure I’m not scraping the coating.

    • @Fryheart
      @Fryheart 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It is normal.
      Not 100% sure on why, but I think it's mostly because of more constant weight and dimensions

    • @masonlane2030
      @masonlane2030  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It’s pretty common, in my guns I don’t get acceptable acceptable results without .356 profile coated bullets. Jackets: different story

    • @kevinmcdonald6849
      @kevinmcdonald6849 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for the replies. I’m not an experienced reloader and needed to know at what point I should stop chasing my tail. Thanks again for the info.

  • @michaelclendening8470
    @michaelclendening8470 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How/where do you find the cheapest components?
    I was looking at getting into it and I was struggling to find components cheaper than buying factory ammo.

    • @glutimous
      @glutimous 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The economics of reloading today is kind of skewed with bullets and primers costing around .10 each. Politics and fear play a big part in supply and demand. If you want to reload, you just have to get started buying what you can afford and building your supply of components up over time. Prices will go up and down, just like the stock market and, just like the market, dollar cost averaging will over time make reloading sensible.

    • @michaelclendening8470
      @michaelclendening8470 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@glutimous so what are some current good prices for powder, bullets, primers. I don’t want to buy the stuff while it’s temporarily inflated.

    • @kazager11
      @kazager11 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You have to wait for sales & buy a lot when you find it. Factory 2nds/blems can help too.

    • @michaelclendening8470
      @michaelclendening8470 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kazager11 ok that makes sense. So like what websites do you look for this stuff?

    • @kazager11
      @kazager11 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@michaelclendening8470 midway, grafs, powder valley, natchez, roze dist (zero bullets), berry

  • @omnivore2220
    @omnivore2220 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yeah pretty much, but I dont think you need to be using anywhere near 10K rounds per year to benefit from handloading.