I remember Harris arguing that Palestine would be more draconian if the shoe was on the other foot. Like subjugated castes shouldn't have an ax to grind.
The irony of an atheist going in to bat for a religious ethnostate is lost on anyone that takes Sam Harris seriously. EDIT- Anyone saying that Israel is not a religious ethnostate, what do you call a nation-state who felt the need to encourage others of the religion immigrate from other parts of the world and gradually push out the native population then? Whose founding myths are based on certain readings of the Torah?
Well to be fair, religion isn't really at the root of this conflict, Israel is just a settler colonial project first and foremost. He's defending colonialism not religion.
What did you expect? His online career as an atheist started with fake quotes he made up in order to misrepresent the bible. So now that this is HIS history he always fears someone might dig that out, so better rant against history itself :D
@@repelsteeltje90 I agree with the hiding part sometimes, but some other times people are just stupid. After all not everyone who uses such arguments is a Sam Harris, he's just a bit smarter than the rest
Interesting, considering that was Michael Brooks' whole shtick when it came to Israel-Palestine. "Oh it's not important the history of what's happened before, all that matters is that Israel is an evil ethnostate". Same with Vigeland who denies rapes of Jewish women.
You can tell you're about to get a brilliant and accurate geopolitical take when someone starts with "The history of this situation is fundamentally uninteresting". Uninteresting to who anyways? Uninteresting to Sam? History is usually interesting and the fact that you're telling me not to read about this particular history makes it VERY interesting indeed!
"They say,"We are not accountable for whatsoever we may do to the Gentiles."And thus speak untruth about Allah/Creator while they know it." Holy Quran (3:75)
Nah you just didnt listen properly. The hosts were talking over him. He is clearly saying "that IS an interesting question NOW." Frankly, I would go and listen to the source on this one. I enjoy listening to these hosts takes most of the time, but this one was really wildly swinging and missing imo
@@VetleVedeld What? He clearly said “German history wasn’t important during WWII, because fighting was the priority” and said it’s the same way with Palestine today. He said it’s fundamentally uninteresting dude. Get ur ears checked
Richard Dawkins apparently also came out as a "Cultural Christian". I'm a Christian myself, so I have some biases, but I do not believe religion is the source of evil. I believe Right-Wing politics is, and that it co-opts the religions (or in this case, Atheism even) to achieve its goal of dividing and preventing solidarity. You CHOOSE if your view of religion is going to include oppressing others. It does NOT have to include that. Likewise, you can be atheist without seeing Islam as pure evil. Sam and Richard are making these judgements by choice, a political, Imperialism oriented, choice.
Dawkins has never said anything other than the UK and he are ‘culturally Christian’ by definition because of the nature of the UK and the way it’s citizens are forced into Christian practices from their earliest days. It’s not a political choice it’s just a social fact.
You should not just consider co opting only from the right, the same can be said for Anyone’s nerfarious purpose Including left wing people hijacking ideas. All idealogies atheist or Christian whatever doesn’t matter it can all be a problem without a middle path, keep on the middle path things are fine. Sway to much into Your love of Christianity, well, problems will arise from that when someone starts disagreeing. Right? It’s all ideology, gone to far,” we n the end, be cautious of loving too hard.
Religion does allow for some exceptional irrationality though. Such as the belief that your tribe is chosen by God, or has been promised some real estate property.
The term cultural christian refers to being familiar with the christian terminology and christian holidays. Nearly all religions are bad to the bone and can not be judged from what came after them. All christian forces capitulated in 1648, and that is the beginning of secularism as the cause of modern civil rights. Before that they burned heretics and witches.
You can make a similar argument about science, since Nazisim was based on what we now call pseudoscience of Racial superiority. So by your logic, science makes irrational thought too
His point is that the sacrificial and suicidal nature of religious extremists TODAY is the issue, not delving in the mud about why it is or isn't justified from something 70 years ago.
@@stelkurtain_tmyou cure something from the root cause, not what’s happening right now. No one is condoning these acts, but you can’t dismiss how we got here either.
@stelkurtain_tm Religion flourish when its members believe that they're persecuted. It doesn't matter if it's true or if they did it to themselves. You can't fight against religion with force. This is why the endless war of terror has never fully succeed. This is why Israel will either bring the "final solution" on the table or will continue their struggle with Hamas clones infinetly If you want to fight against extremism you have to know where it comes from. Otherwise you end up with Germany. A pretty nice country, slowly going back to their right wing roots. Nzism has never been fully defeated
@@NickHolumthe root cause of most of our shit is the political corruption of any thing it touches, from religion to the education system, Real estate, economy, and natural resources
Yeah, it's outrageous for someone who was a scientist to be disinterested in the causes and history of why a phenomenon exists. Imagine if biologists had the same mindset; "who cares how and why animals exist, that is an uninteresting question". Not even trying to learn about the past and history will severely limit our ability to explain the present, and this applies to all fields of science from sociology to physics.
Saying he is uninteresting or calling him a Nazi isn't a refutation of his argument. Sam is 100% correct on his issue, he even uploaded a 5 minute summary of his view on his channel, so for the 10 people with objectivity and moral intellect, take time to consider that.
i never heard someone talk so long about absolutely nothing more than him. seriously his talks on transcendental meditation and "non-duality", stay away from those...
@@Cheesesteakfreak no point responding to fallacious, incoherent/nonsensical argument. he's basically doing the "orange man bad" but to muslims. if you call that objectively or intellectually moral then you are so lost.
@@tjenadonn6158 Not only that, we now know that their new atheism isn't quite what they originally held it out to be. 19:00 Harris proclaims himself to be Jewish. Dawkins now calls himself a "cultural Christian". In both cases, their newfound pseudo-religiosity is coupled with Islamophobia.
Islam is totally incompatible with any of the achievements of the enlightenment. It's especially incompatible with human rights such as freedom of religion, right to one's own sexuality, democratic participation, right to life, freedom of speech and many more. This comment section is delusional.
But the Nazis did use human shields. Polish civilians were forced in front of Nazi tanks during the 1944 Warsaw Uprising, in what's known as the Wola Massacre, under direct orders of Himmler.
That's because you lack critical thinking skills and are merely a "team player". It does not matter why you are "here, now", you don't know how to think for yourself.
No an ideology analisys Radical islam is the original nazism.... The quran says things like muslims can't have christians or jewish friends ... or that woman are 50% of men ...or how to beat a woman .... it is alos pro slavery thats why palestinians had slaves befor the british steped in and baned it ... It is just sad that you do not know anything about an ideology that cuts peoples heads of with a knife ...
@@Wheels36H3WM Less than 1% americans are native americans but they should be given reparations. Whereas native Palestinians make up 80% (many as refugees) compared to just 20% east european settlers.
@@Wheels36H3WM There are progressive movements under the moniker "land back." Your question also tacitly acknowledges that Israel is a colonialist state.
Sam and Michael were way ahead of the curve in terms of calling out Sam Harris's stupidity and racism 10+ years ago. Always appreciated those videos because I was sort of a new atheist back then and legitimately thought I liked Sam Harris because I wasn't aware of his darker side that didn't and still doesn't get much press.
One thing that Gaza has exposed is that the attitudes in the west towards the “non-western” world is still very much the same as it was in the 19th and early 20th century. The language changed only ever so slightly but the end result is essentially the same.
@@TheJimicus There is a diffrenace between Islamic fundamentalists and terrorist organizations created and funded by the CIA to destabilize the region and do a regime change to any leader who openly opposed America and Israel. for a normal guy to believe all the (2002 war on terror) propaganda it's normal, but for an "intellectual" guy that supposed to dig deep dive on the creation of these groups, is really embarrassing. just watch the Hilary Clinton video where she explains "proudly" how the US funded these groups to fight the Sovit. and after their job is done they just left them there and they fucked the whole ME and until this day the Muslims on that region still suffer from that. and no Hamas is simply the effect of resisting the zoinst colonial project. no zoinsts no hamas.
Saying the Jihadists are worse than Nazis and should be feared more, is only making an argument that Nazis are more respectably palatable to an extent more for his views, than Jihadists and downplaying the Nazis, and Neo-Nazis whom he probably has some sort of relativity argument in their defense.
@@paulg6274 Why nations or groups become extremist is a fundamental question in modern philosophy. It's an area of serious academic study which began in the 1930s, and has a number of sub-disciplines. When someone calls this area of study and understanding "uninteresting," that's no longer philosophy, or serious.
@@LTrotsky21stCentury Did you listen to his explanation of what he meant specifically? Or was this 4 second clip of a best selling author and one of the best debaters/speakers in the world enough for you to conclude he doesn't think anyone should think about anything? 🙄
Everything Harris says here lines up with his belief in genetic determinism. For him, what makes Jihadists worse than Nazis is their ethnicity. His avoidance of context betrays his intent - to support domestic nationalism, and overseas imperialism.
I think one of the reasons Harris believes Jihadists are more dangerous/worse than Nazi's because Jihadists have a stronger sense that their endevouars will lead them to eternal bliss. Thus Jihadists are more willing to go the "extra mile" with promise of paradise vs Nazi's who merely did it (mostly) for ideology/nation purposes
Im glad I got off of the Sam Harris atheist train years ago. He says all of this while actual christian nationalists speak in tongues on Arizona's Capital floor as abortion is banned in the state.
He's nothing more than another reactionary. I'm tired of have to entertain this "intellectual" just because he had a couple of good opinions about Trump.
@@gnubbiersh647 so if there was a ceasefire, how did Shireen Abu Akleh end up murdered by IOF? Remember those protestors who were being snipped by IOF in the Westbank before Oct 7th? Ceasefire my arse! It only existed Murray's mind. If anything, I could argue only Palestinians held up their part of the bargain because the other guys were doing a lot of killing of Palestinian children.
Yoy guys are disgusting for saying sam blamed Muslims. He only criticized the doctrine of jihad. Not the people of all ethnicities who identify as Muslims.
Sam's best commentary is when he is critiquing religiosity in general. In the context of what is going on in gaza it's weird that he's do defensive of Israel when it's so clear that Israel's behaviour is underpinned by the belief that it is divinely supported. I have heard Sam refer to the situation in Gaza as being a faith-based real estate conflict. Whilst that is true to an extent, I'm very surprised that he is defensive of a nation that is killing children by the thousands.
The most radicalized nazis absolutely saw hitler as a god appointed savior. They saw in him the one who was sent by god to save the arian race not only from the other races, but all the evil. If this doesn't yet sound very familiar to anyone in the US, it should. If you were to draw a Venn diagram of the nazis definition of evil and magas definition of evil, you'd have a circle.
I was gonna say that’s exactly it… he’s not an academic anymore. Dudes an online troll deity. Many of his audience subscribe to masculinity and patriarchal norms.
I'm not defending Harris' position on Islam, but you're wrong about this. He's been speaking of against Trump non-stop since 2016 & hasn't slowed down. There's plenty to criticize without making things up. If we want any hope of stopping people from spreading harmful ideas, we can't accuse the people we're trying to stop of doing things they didn't.
Harris fans are hardly composed by Trumpists. The right calls him a socialist and the left calls him a Nazi 😅 No one is able to assess issues independently anymore: You gotta pick ur team and parrot 100% of what they say
@@Scottie_McNaughty this channels demonization of Harris is confusing. He probably aligns with them on the majority of hot button issues. And whether you agree with him or not, he's always willing to acknowledge evidence and have reasonable discussion
you know what history is ALMOST fundamentally uninteresting. The history of white supremacy. They just got up one day and declared themselves superior and everyone else as sub-human. In terms of historical conquests here is a big contrast after 300 years Mughals were not even speaking the language of their Afghan founder Babur, the last Mughal died writing Urdu poetry and wearing Indian clothing, knowing Hinduism and Sikki along with Islam. In contrast after 300 years the British left having learned no Indian language, learning no Indian customs, and wearing no Indian clothing.
@@adrien5834 Yea yea, I get what you meant, but if you don't know what the word terrorism means then no wonder you excuse kidnapping and murdering concert goers. Israel ain't perfect by any stretch but to compare them to Hamas is hilariously stupid.
17:28 The look on his face just screams "you're saying stuff I don't want to hear, and it pisses me off that I have to acknowledge that history happened because it derails my rhetoric!"
“I’m Jewish so I can say whatever I want on the topic.”? When did cultural history become only the property of one culture. Is it intellectual property, covered by copyright laws? The larger culture isn’t allowed to have discourse on holocaust or any Jewish historical events? This is completely fallacious philosophically and has to be stopped in the media.
*Sam "mother lode of bad ideas" Harris.* He is been doing the Jordan Peterson strategy before JP: say something stupid, claim it was taken out of context, NEVER explain what context justifies what he had said. Rinse and repeat.
JP's example would be his infamous: "trans people are like Mao because they consider group identity to be paramount". No amount of context justifies the statement and no interpretation of the statement is beneficial to the world.
As an atheist myself , I watch Palestinians trying to survive the plight imposed on them by other human beings and I see that their religion gives them hope, keeps them together, provides a way for them to share. And yes, for some, religion gives them the blind courage to fight back ( belief in God gives warriors the strength to kill and die). A materialistic atheist must see the evil in the action , not the belief. The belief is just an imagination; the killing is what is evil. Yet somehow, for these so-called atheists, killing 1000 people is terribly evil because of the belief behind it, yet killing tens of thousands is OK because that belief is better. The new atheists have all gone pro religious wars. To say that's a disappointment is an understatement.
"Religion is the opiate of the masses", and any good leftist should know that you don't condemn the drug or its users, but rather the system that has made life so unbearable for so many people that they need the pain relief in the first place.
Have u read the Quran? The Christian Bible? The Torah??? That would b a great start for anyone hoping to understand his point. Yes there r Islamic freedom fighters who grew out of oppression, but there is still a call for violence, death/execution to idolators, also implied for infidels, within the Quran, the religious text that is suppose to guide the Muslim religion.
@@friedricengravy6646 There’s plenty of that stuff in the bible but we don’t think of all christians as being bloodthirsty zealots because we understand there is a difference between the content of the book and behaviour of it’s adherents. Sam Harris seems to think that there is some magical property in the Quran that turns anyone who reads it into a member of Boko Haram or something.
@@0ptimuscrime U r confusing stories of horrendous murder & genocide, even of animals, by God verses a direct creed which states any & all idolators specifically & infidels implied, should b executed. Im not defending the Christian Bible, I am an atheist but i got there by studying religion, 3 to b exact. Christianity, Judaism, & Islam or aka: the muslim faith. Harris is specifically pointing to the very real differences between Islamic writings & others such as the Bible & the Torah.
on the grand mufti thing, the brits literally invented that position and picked the guy. so even if that was true, it would reflect on the character of the british government of the time, which was pretty antisemitic
That is by definition impossible, since the term reactionary refers to the so called reaction that started in Germany against the secular french republic. It was always an attempt to reinstate clerical fascism be it christian, islamic or jewish. An imperial state without borders ruled by a caste system has always been its goal, and religion its only cultural content.
Mixed bag really. Obviously those who have remained part of it try to stay relevant, I'm sure Hitchens would have blown quite a few fuses on Trump pandering to the religious, his attack on media, him looking up to dictators and above all even attempting a coup. Had Hitchens lived he he would have remained the most vocal of them all.
I remember when even solidly leftist folks would defend the New Atheists against their progressive critics. Assuming those people are still leftists, they probably feel pretty embarrassed now.
Over a decade ago I listened to Sam Harris because he helped me transition out of religion. I liked his arguments on morality being determinable through science and reason. However, he jumped the shark long ago and has become an obsessive anti-political correctness crusader with extreme Islamophobia. He sounds like a broken record and has nothing interesting to say. His choices of associations over the years have been abysmal. At least he recognized just how toxic and right-wing the IDW was, but far too late. If you obsess about political correctness too much, you'll find yourself in company with other anti-political correctness nuts, who are overwhelmingly far right.
I feel there is a lack of context. His line about "not caring about how Hamas came to be" is in response to how we now treat Hamas. As in, "Do we care how Trump supporters became so radical? I suppose we do, but I don't care right now. Right now I have to vote Democrat and fight against this threat to democracy." It is fundamentally irrelevant how Hamas or Trump Fanatisism began when you are in the middle of a war against them.
Living in Texas, I know a few evangelical people. Recently, I was in an argument with an evangelical, who avidly supports the actions of the Israel Gov. He attempted to justify his support by saying that Jewish people are the chosen people of God, but when i asked him what he thinks happens to non-christians after they die, he did not want to answer me. I asked him the same question multiple times and, each time, he refused to answer.....because the truth is that we both know he thinks all non christians are going to burn in hell forever. He honestly thinks that burning in hell forever is a just punishment for simply not sharing his religious beliefs......and that is extremely disturbing and very telling. The truth is that he thinks jews, as well as every other non-christian, deserves the ultimate eternal punishment of literally experiencing the constant pain of burning forever. It really makes me wonder what actually motivates him in this context...because his claims regarding his motivations are not sincere, especially when he refuses to answer a question that he knows will reveal his contradiction. He is not being contradictive accidentally, otherwise he would have answered my question, without being aware of the contradiction. Instead, he wanted to change the subject. He was smart enough to know that his answer to my question would be a doorway to discussing ulterior motives that he prefers not to acknowledge. It is my opinion that any belief that promotes THE AGONY OF BURNING FOREVER, as a correct punishment for those, who do not conform, IS rooted in terrorism....and many modern evangelicals see the terrorism of Netanyahu, as a means of perpetuating their own religious terrorism.
I’m a democrat and I can’t stand these theatrical round tables. “Resort to terrorism?” He’s focusing on Jihadism I agree with Sam Harris. Taking all what he says out of context. Scary the way you rationalize terrorism. Shifting focus away from the real problems…analyzing analysis of analysis.
Unfortunately, I used to listen to SH way back when alongside Dawkins and Hitchens. I could have sworn I have heard that Nazi apologia before at some point back then. It sounded very familiar
Somewhere in "The End of Faith" Harris says that the people with the most sensible attitude toward immigration are the fascists. It was right there the whole time.
Can we just take a moment to appreciate the female host, her analysis is always refreshing, shes smart and its always nice to hear her take. Thank you for all of you at the majority report for being the voice of logic.
1:37 “jihadist” is such a vague term… basically the concept of Jihad means “struggle” - either the struggle to overcome an external enemy, or overcome your own inclination to sin, or to proselytise the word of god. It’s putting your personal desires aside for God. Like somebody who is dealing with alcohol dependency and trying to quit because they want to be closer to God could be said to be engaging in Jihad. It’s a praiseworthy thing to do. Describing Hamas as “jihadist” is missing the point- because the primary thing motivating them is not religion, it’s Palestinian nationalism and separatism from Israel. This isn’t a holy war, it’s a war about territory and rights.
I’m so sick of hearing Israel has the right to defend itself . Defend what , oppression ? Why does Hamas not have the right to defend or resist occupation , by any means necesssry (Malcolm X) ?
Read the Quran & then come back to tells us that the execution of idolators & infidels is not a demand of the Muslim faith. Admitting that there is no Christian Bible that demands all Jews or Muslims b killed does not imply support for Israel committing war crimes. Two things can b true at the same time. Yes, extremists can b found within every religion, but to ignore the call to violence in the Quran is like ignoring the patriarch promoted within the Christian Bible. Facts still exist. R there Islamic freedom fighters who have grown out of oppression? Yes. R they the only violent followers? No.
@@davidradovsky5354 Let's put aside the fallacy of this based on international law and just common sense given the occupation status, but let take the entire occupation out for a second, defense is something you do in real time , meaning their defense would have been limited to Oct 7th. Anything after that is retribution, which they do not have a right to do. And unless you are a fascist, that 'right of self-defense' isn't limited to one side. You are on the side of the abuser and state you have the sole right to defend yourself when the person you are attacking attacks you in response. It's absurd.
@@friedricengravy6646But it doesn’t do that. You are stripping all context from that line which is actually more referring to polytheists and hostile persecutors of Islam (something the Bible is similarly hostile to). It actually shows deference to the other Abrahamic religions because Islam IS an Abrahamic religion.
Nazis came to power based on false grievances whereas Hamas came to power based upon real ones. This is in no way an attempt to defend Hamas, except when compared to Nazis.
U r leaving out a great deal of information in ur comparison. U r right, Nazis were fed lies…..from a cult of personality that were fertilized by starvation & economic disaster after World War One. The difference, yes there r Islamic freedom fighters who grew out of oppression, but there is still a call for idolators to b killed, the same is implied for infidels, within the Quran itself. None of this excuses any violence from any group including the Nazis. But explaining why Islamic extremists r actually just orthodox in their adherence to scripture is not racist (as these hosts work hard to claim) nor is it Islamaphobia. Harris is making the point that having a group committed to an ideology exploited by a man or group of men is bad, but having that violence inspired by religious scripture is worse.
I haven't read the book, but if "radical honesty" means what I think it means, I suspect it would be disastrous. I'm on the autism spectrum, so I can observe human behavior with a certain degree of detachment. It's clear to me that people are dishonest all the time-- about how they feel, what they want, etc.--and that some such dishonesty is necessary to keep human relationships from breaking down. This may not be true of everyone, but it seems true of most people.
If someone is saying things you disagree with then its probably likely they are speaking their mind freely on topics and not just taking a "left" or "right" view of the world. This show is stuck in a purely "left" view of the world and grifts to its audience.
It seems you're guilty of having the same issue as you claim Sam Harris has, discounting the history of a situation and claiming your perception is the reality of the situation.
Being martyred doesn't have the same meaning to Muslims as it does to a westerner. Calling the violent loss of a loved one "being martyred" is a coping mechanism to ease the pain of loss, I doubt it works any better than when a westerner says "I'm sorry for your loss". A Muslim mother would rather have their child alive than be in a position where she's saying they were "martyred", I expect muslim mothers and fathers have nightmares about being in a situation where they are saying "my child was martyred".
Well said.Yes,it is sad to see the head of hommus say that whilst mourning his 3 sons that satanyahu just had un alived.Imagine what the response would be if it was the other way round 😢
It's perfectly reasonable to point out that religion can be used to make disenfranchised people into extremists. It's not reasonable at all to single out one religion.
This discussion was a master class about how to Straw Man an argument. I'm not a fan of SH (or anyone in the DW group) but the joking and simplification of SH arguments look worse on TMR. If SH's rhetoric is the problem you are not helping guys. Please, level up.
5:40: US people think that the Nazis (= Nationalists like Trump declared himself one) was a lower-class movement??! I think my eyes fall out... But OK, hardcore US right-wing Nationalists keep on claiming that Nazi is the abbreviation of Socialist (which is Sozi) The german industry of course loved the fascist regime, it was a depression, and the Nazis started dozens and dozens of giant projects, where you could earn a fortune. Say - the complete rearmament of Germany, that were only allowed a tiny more or less police force until the Nazis simply cancelled the contract with France and UK - the autobahns - have a look at Prora on the island of Rügen, a 4 km (2.5 miles) long continuous holiday complex at the coastline - in any case the holiday industry boomed, was massively subventioned. The workers should be kept happy, and they really got stuff that was unprecedented. - the Volkswagen Beetle - Hitler's Gigantomania, his giant buildings that he planned and that were partly built. E.g. in Nürberg there is still some giant place around. Hitler wanted to completely redo Berlin, tear half of it down for giant halls. - and and and... In all these projects the control wa s by the Partei, but the project was executed by private companies - you could make millions with that.
Hitler was an avid Richard Wagner fan. The bomb(lol)astic, heroic style of his music was exactly what he wanted. So he was a regular visitor of the Richard Wagner Festival in Bayreuth. THE meeting place for the cream of the crop. E.g. Bertha Krupp invited him. She was totally fascinated by him, kept on admiring him long after the war until her death. She was part of the Krupp dynasty, and Krupp (along with Thyssen) is synonymous for german steel (and military equipment). "Hart wie Kruppstahl" (tough like Krupp steel) was a common saying when you wanted to express the power and unwaivering determination of a man (got a little out of fashion after the Third Reich ;-)).
But it is clear that in the US the Corporations do not want to admit that it needs corporations to establish a totalitarian regime, and that they are eager to cooperate with one when profits are looming.
Nazis were imperialists, not nationalists. They strictly followed the anti nationalist paradigma of the reactionary conservative revolution renedering all domestic policies tools of foreign policy. Nationalism does the opposite. It doesn't matter what they called themselves in order to scam their voters.
Sam Harris is incredibly smart. Read his book End of Faith. He criticizes all religions including Judaism. Being against Jihadism is what we all should be against.
Usually not a fan of Sam Harris but he made some good points in that brief clip. Went on to listen to the rest of the podcast. Thanks for pointing that out for me Emma!
I do not like how this begins, because it ignores the fact that Harris' first several novels were all anti-Christian, and didn't even mention Islam. Harris has written fewer books on Islam (or essays) than he has Christianity. In fact, his best selling novels are still his anti-Christian material. I think it is VERY disingenuous to say that he "really attacks only one religions." That is a lie, in fact. And an outrageous one if you look back more than 10 years.
@@sproductionsinc you clearly haven’t read his books. And he talks about Islam honestly. If he is not, then he is lying. Finding the lie is the hard part. To claim all religions are equal is also problematic; Buddhism and Jainism are hardly comparable to Catholicism and Islam….but no one ever complained when they were never mentioned
This coming from a guy who doesn’t believe in free will. You’d think then he’d have some kind of understanding and or acknowledgement of the historical pressures that have led to the violence from Hamas
It's so painful how critics of religion like Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins won't condemn the ethnic cleansing carried out by a theocratic regime who believes they have a God given right to take that land. Hitchens was at least on the right side of this one, for all his flaws.
It would appear that non of you have actually read any of his books. Sam has always hated trump and he’s definitely not a conservative. Harris is critical of religion, ideas, and actions. He is not as you are characterizing him
That commentator was spitting truth. He's speaking fast because people need to know - once you know you're become a prisoner of that knowledge; or you reject it because you're part of the problem. Legacy media soundbites don't do these issues justice, obviously.
Last time i checked it was Dillahunty who took the cake terrorizing his callers like he was the spanish inquisition. Harris has always been the overrated brat he is, and Dawkins is basically a bit weak in most of his positions though that might be helpful.
I'm an atheist. Muslims are Sam Harris's blindspot. Two atheist I constantly quote in my inner monologue when talking about any issue to keep me in check. "You give me the awful impression, I hate to have to say it, of someone who hasn't read any of the arguments against your position ever." ~ Christopher Hitchens And "Be Hard On Your Opinions A famous bon mot asserts that opinions are like arse-holes, in that everyone has one. There is great wisdom in this… but I would add that opinions differ significantly from arse-holes, in that yours should be constantly and thoroughly examined. We must think critically, and not just about the ideas of others. Be hard on your beliefs. Take them out onto the verandah and beat them with a cricket bat. Be intellectually rigorous. Identify your biases, your prejudices, your privilege. Most of society’s arguments are kept alive by a failure to acknowledge nuance. We tend to generate false dichotomies, then try to argue one point using two entirely different sets of assumptions, like two tennis players trying to win a match by hitting beautifully executed shots from either end of separate tennis courts." ~ Tim Minchin's commencement speech.
Sam Harris is basically a cynical opportunist. I find him to be the used car salesman of political discussion. And what I find so irritating is that people that listen to him actually think he is a philosopher. And what I find frightening is his scapegoating of Islam and veiled defenses of fascism.
As an atheist! I never understood how Bill Maher and Harris defended a " religious ethinc jew state". totall nonsense
I remember Harris arguing that Palestine would be more draconian if the shoe was on the other foot. Like subjugated castes shouldn't have an ax to grind.
Both are Illuminati puppets.
Because both Sam Harris & Bill Maher are ethnic Jews who support Zionism.
@@kellywalker1664That has always been the argument of every colonial power
If you listen to morons on this channel you will never understand anything.
Sam Harris is the only person I've ever known that speaks in italics.
This comment deserves more love
That's kinda hilarious actually
Lmfao 😂
It’s a well used tactic to draw an audience in.He knows this.Good comment 😂
John Lennox is another one?
The irony of an atheist going in to bat for a religious ethnostate is lost on anyone that takes Sam Harris seriously.
EDIT- Anyone saying that Israel is not a religious ethnostate, what do you call a nation-state who felt the need to encourage others of the religion immigrate from other parts of the world and gradually push out the native population then? Whose founding myths are based on certain readings of the Torah?
its the tribe mentality of khazaria
Palestine would be an ultra far right theocratic ethnostate , if it were a state
Well to be fair, religion isn't really at the root of this conflict, Israel is just a settler colonial project first and foremost. He's defending colonialism not religion.
Nailed it!
The founders of Israel were atheist Jews.
I used to be a Harris head. He turned me on to philosophy, which in turn turned me off of Harris.
Brilliant
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Shelly Kagan's "Answering Moral Skepticism" > Sam Harris' "The Moral Landscape"
This is my view on destiny. Turned me against the weirdo right wing on line and towards the left, which eventually turned me against him.
Love it :)
When someone says "the HOW it happened is fundamentally irrelevant" then that's your proof of an intellectually devoid person or practice/conversation
It's not a sign that that person is intellectually lacking, but a sign that they are hiding something, and that you should become VERY interested.
What did you expect? His online career as an atheist started with fake quotes he made up in order to misrepresent the bible. So now that this is HIS history he always fears someone might dig that out, so better rant against history itself :D
Absolutely 💯.Totally subjective.
@@repelsteeltje90 I agree with the hiding part sometimes, but some other times people are just stupid. After all not everyone who uses such arguments is a Sam Harris, he's just a bit smarter than the rest
Interesting, considering that was Michael Brooks' whole shtick when it came to Israel-Palestine. "Oh it's not important the history of what's happened before, all that matters is that Israel is an evil ethnostate". Same with Vigeland who denies rapes of Jewish women.
Imagine being an intellectual and when posed with a question "why things are the way they are" your response is, "that's fundamentally uninteresting"
Imagine being a cheap version of Jordan Peterson, making about as less sense but not as well spoken.
Mind Begs the Question:
- Islam forbids Usury/Interest Banking
- Those who practice,impose Usury
- To view Islam as Threat to Eliminate/Demonize,no?
Jordan peterson is a caricature, please @@leparfumdugrosboss4216
@@leparfumdugrosboss4216 How do you possibly become a cheaper version of some man child like Jordan Peterson?
@@greinerphil I dunno. Ask Sam Harris.
You can tell you're about to get a brilliant and accurate geopolitical take when someone starts with "The history of this situation is fundamentally uninteresting".
Uninteresting to who anyways? Uninteresting to Sam? History is usually interesting and the fact that you're telling me not to read about this particular history makes it VERY interesting indeed!
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"They say,"We are not accountable for whatsoever we may do to the Gentiles."And thus speak untruth about Allah/Creator while they know it."
Holy Quran (3:75)
Nah you just didnt listen properly. The hosts were talking over him. He is clearly saying "that IS an interesting question NOW."
Frankly, I would go and listen to the source on this one. I enjoy listening to these hosts takes most of the time, but this one was really wildly swinging and missing imo
@@VetleVedeld What? He clearly said “German history wasn’t important during WWII, because fighting was the priority” and said it’s the same way with Palestine today.
He said it’s fundamentally uninteresting dude. Get ur ears checked
@@IAmNumber4000 Ok so maybe it's just your comprehension then. Did you listen to the source?
Someone needs to tell Sam Harris that speaking softly is not a substitute for having a brain.
Maybe he was attempting to
hypnotize his audience😅
Ben Shapiro on 0.25x speed
Some have accused him of trying to emulate Chomsky.
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Someone needs to tell Trump that talking loudly isn't one either. Harris is mostly irrelevant Trump not so much
"Nazis didnt use their children as human shields"
The volksstrum would beg to differ
The Nazis experimented on children
Aktion T4 killed them too
Oh
Nazi’s killed a ton of Jewish children though,
What do you mean? Who are the volksstrum, please?
@@leviashanken2506 Kids were sent to war, google it
Also the German genocide even terminated German kids (T4)
Richard Dawkins apparently also came out as a "Cultural Christian".
I'm a Christian myself, so I have some biases, but I do not believe religion is the source of evil. I believe Right-Wing politics is, and that it co-opts the religions (or in this case, Atheism even) to achieve its goal of dividing and preventing solidarity.
You CHOOSE if your view of religion is going to include oppressing others. It does NOT have to include that.
Likewise, you can be atheist without seeing Islam as pure evil. Sam and Richard are making these judgements by choice, a political, Imperialism oriented, choice.
Dawkins has never said anything other than the UK and he are ‘culturally Christian’ by definition because of the nature of the UK and the way it’s citizens are forced into Christian practices from their earliest days. It’s not a political choice it’s just a social fact.
You should not just consider co opting only from the right, the same can be said for
Anyone’s nerfarious purpose
Including left wing people hijacking ideas. All idealogies atheist or Christian whatever doesn’t matter it can all be a problem without a middle path, keep on the middle path things are fine. Sway to much into
Your love of Christianity, well, problems will arise from that when someone starts disagreeing. Right? It’s all ideology, gone to far,” we n the end, be cautious of loving too hard.
Religion does allow for some exceptional irrationality though. Such as the belief that your tribe is chosen by God, or has been promised some real estate property.
The term cultural christian refers to being familiar with the christian terminology and christian holidays. Nearly all religions are bad to the bone and can not be judged from what came after them. All christian forces capitulated in 1648, and that is the beginning of secularism as the cause of modern civil rights. Before that they burned heretics and witches.
You can make a similar argument about science, since Nazisim was based on what we now call pseudoscience of Racial superiority.
So by your logic, science makes irrational thought too
Sam Harris, why did Jihad start?
Well it doesn’t matter…
Me “say what.”
His point is that the sacrificial and suicidal nature of religious extremists TODAY is the issue, not delving in the mud about why it is or isn't justified from something 70 years ago.
@@stelkurtain_tmyou cure something from the root cause, not what’s happening right now. No one is condoning these acts, but you can’t dismiss how we got here either.
@stelkurtain_tm
Religion flourish when its members believe that they're persecuted. It doesn't matter if it's true or if they did it to themselves. You can't fight against religion with force. This is why the endless war of terror has never fully succeed. This is why Israel will either bring the "final solution" on the table or will continue their struggle with Hamas clones infinetly
If you want to fight against extremism you have to know where it comes from. Otherwise you end up with Germany. A pretty nice country, slowly going back to their right wing roots. Nzism has never been fully defeated
@@jjjay30the root cause is their religion
@@NickHolumthe root cause of most of our shit is the political corruption of any thing it touches, from religion to the education system, Real estate, economy, and natural resources
I used to have respect for Sam Harris, but saying that how Hamas came to be is "uninteresting" disqualifies him as an intellectual.
It's bizarre. Makes me ashamed I ever fell for any of his language judo.
@@brian177 Nah, it's cool. Early Harris made some decent points as do a lot of these guys early in their careers.
Yeah, it's outrageous for someone who was a scientist to be disinterested in the causes and history of why a phenomenon exists. Imagine if biologists had the same mindset; "who cares how and why animals exist, that is an uninteresting question". Not even trying to learn about the past and history will severely limit our ability to explain the present, and this applies to all fields of science from sociology to physics.
He's sucked for a long time. I remember his "thought experiments" justifying nuclear strikes on civilian centers in the ME.
@@jayzonedc6474 Yup. Just a flat denial of the dialectic when it comes to history and politics.
Sam Harris is fundamentally uninteresting.
Saying he is uninteresting or calling him a Nazi isn't a refutation of his argument. Sam is 100% correct on his issue, he even uploaded a 5 minute summary of his view on his channel, so for the 10 people with objectivity and moral intellect, take time to consider that.
i never heard someone talk so long about absolutely nothing more than him. seriously his talks on transcendental meditation and "non-duality", stay away from those...
@@Cheesesteakfreak Saying the origin is uninteresting shows how utterly stupid and worthless his analysis is
Sam Harris is a pathological lier
@@Cheesesteakfreak no point responding to fallacious, incoherent/nonsensical argument. he's basically doing the "orange man bad" but to muslims. if you call that objectively or intellectually moral then you are so lost.
Honestly that whole breakdown of Sam Harris using aetheism as a screen for Western Chauvanism and Islamophobia sounded 100% like standard Bill Maher.
I really did lmao
It also works for Richard Dawkins and pretty much the entire New Atheist movement.
@@tjenadonn6158 Not only that, we now know that their new atheism isn't quite what they originally held it out to be. 19:00 Harris proclaims himself to be Jewish. Dawkins now calls himself a "cultural Christian". In both cases, their newfound pseudo-religiosity is coupled with Islamophobia.
Cry louder jew hater.
The presence of islamic extremist justify why people are afraid of islam @shumoon1
Islam is totally incompatible with any of the achievements of the enlightenment. It's especially incompatible with human rights such as freedom of religion, right to one's own sexuality, democratic participation, right to life, freedom of speech and many more. This comment section is delusional.
But the Nazis did use human shields. Polish civilians were forced in front of Nazi tanks during the 1944 Warsaw Uprising, in what's known as the Wola Massacre, under direct orders of Himmler.
Facts aren't a requirement for Sammy's brand of "intellectualism". 😁
🤫But that's fundamentally uninteresting to Sam Harris.
Many Americans think Polish people were the main collaborators when they were one of the main victims so..
they didn't use their own fucking children.
@@PanosSchmitAlmeiraLike Ukrainians, they were both
Sam Harris taking cues from Douglas Murray
He has since at least 2017, which is about the same time I started losing interest in him.
Both evil 😈
Douglas Murray is probably the only person in the world I hate more than Sam Harris.
You can't say Sam Harris without Hamas.
Sam Harris spelled backward is
Sir. A HMAS!!!
Samas and Harrisbara
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@@antenna_prolly Stealing Harrisbara.
Fucking embarresing that i listened to this guy 15 years back
15 years is a long time ago. I was a buzz feed feminist, we all have our shame 😅
You made it here eventually, and that's what counts.
You and every other liberal!!😂😂
That's because you lack critical thinking skills and are merely a "team player". It does not matter why you are "here, now", you don't know how to think for yourself.
@@BenjaminGlattWhy? Where is "here"? And why does it "count"? 🙄
So... he's arguing for ahistorical analysis. Such an *intellectual*
Maybe listen to his explanation instead of a 6 second sound clip of a 2 hour podcast
Extra hilarious from the guy who popularised the term "intellectual dishonesty".
@@reddragon3163 how is not finding something interesting "intellectually dishonest"?
@@paulg6274 Because he's using that "argument" to ignore inconvenient historical facts.
No an ideology analisys
Radical islam is the original nazism....
The quran says things like muslims can't have christians or jewish friends ... or that woman are 50% of men ...or how to beat a woman ....
it is alos pro slavery thats why palestinians had slaves befor the british steped in and baned it ...
It is just sad that you do not know anything about an ideology that cuts peoples heads of with a knife ...
It's the same reason they don't want us to go beyond October 7. . History, for them, started on October 7
@Wheels36H3WM hamas was created in a concentration camp controlled by Israel so let's start there
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Settler colonialism is the main problem here
@@Wheels36H3WM
Less than 1% americans are native americans but they should be given reparations. Whereas native Palestinians make up 80% (many as refugees) compared to just 20% east european settlers.
@@Wheels36H3WM There are progressive movements under the moniker "land back." Your question also tacitly acknowledges that Israel is a colonialist state.
@@Wheels36H3WM you're ignoring the murder and expansion they've been doing over the years, why is that?
Some ghoul is out there rotating his wine collection listening to this in the background with the occasional chin rub like: aw yes thought provoking
Teenage incels have wine collections? 😂
@@purplestuffA number of their .. thought leaders.. are grown ass adults, also making a living from them.
@@gnubbiersh647 it's pure hogwash, the IDF has been murdering Palestinian civilians on a regular basis for many years. They call it 'mowing the lawn'.
@@gnubbiersh647 you’re copy-pastaing your hasbara 🤷🏻♂️
@@gnubbiersh647 You don't know what anything means.
The most interesting fact about Sam Harris is that he comes from a wealthy family and he’s never had a real job in his life.
Golden Girls trust fund baby.
That is self evident.
He jumped out of the womb and immediately got a podcast.
@@mostHumblePersonAlivehe might as well have given his maturity.
that's SOOOO friggin' obvious.
Sam and Michael were way ahead of the curve in terms of calling out Sam Harris's stupidity and racism 10+ years ago.
Always appreciated those videos because I was sort of a new atheist back then and legitimately thought I liked Sam Harris because I wasn't aware of his darker side that didn't and still doesn't get much press.
One thing that Gaza has exposed is that the attitudes in the west towards the “non-western” world is still very much the same as it was in the 19th and early 20th century. The language changed only ever so slightly but the end result is essentially the same.
That’s human nature.
@@trevorv9218Beta male excuse, go yell at the next scapegoat the government points you at.
No.@@trevorv9218
I remember when i was a 14 year old edgelord and was a fan of sam harris. Then my brain fully developed.
“Those who ignore history are doomed to become Sam Harris.”
Stay mad that he’s an intellectual and these hacks aren’t.
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Nice sarcasm
Spot on!
@@likeAmnesty.HRW.etc. lol he sure gets a lot of weirdos on the internet mad
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Sure 😂
Sam Harris is like like many so-called intellectuals they invariably turn out to be closet bigots.
just like...very much like Dawkins.
@@isuriadireja91Dawkins is an intellectual, not so called
Explain the bigotry. Do you mean calling out Islamic fundamentalists? Would you consider calling out white nationalists bigotry?
@@TheJimicus There is a diffrenace between Islamic fundamentalists and terrorist organizations created and funded by the CIA to destabilize the region and do a regime change to any leader who openly opposed America and Israel. for a normal guy to believe all the (2002 war on terror) propaganda it's normal, but for an "intellectual" guy that supposed to dig deep dive on the creation of these groups, is really embarrassing. just watch the Hilary Clinton video where she explains "proudly" how the US funded these groups to fight the Sovit. and after their job is done they just left them there and they fucked the whole ME and until this day the Muslims on that region still suffer from that. and no Hamas is simply the effect of resisting the zoinst colonial project. no zoinsts no hamas.
@@mattsheldon8671 He's a biologist who has wandered outside his field of expertise.
Magician: "I'm going to show you a trick. Please don't look at my left hand, because that is fundamentally uninteresting."
Saying the Jihadists are worse than Nazis and should be feared more, is only making an argument that Nazis are more respectably palatable to an extent more for his views, than Jihadists and downplaying the Nazis, and Neo-Nazis whom he probably has some sort of relativity argument in their defense.
A philosopher whose main thesis that we shouldn't think about anything.
How is that at all what he said?
@@paulg6274 He referred to fundamental questions of understanding as "uninteresting."
@@LTrotsky21stCentury he thinks one particular sub set of one issue is uninteresting. That = "we shouldn't think about anything"?
@@paulg6274 Why nations or groups become extremist is a fundamental question in modern philosophy. It's an area of serious academic study which began in the 1930s, and has a number of sub-disciplines.
When someone calls this area of study and understanding "uninteresting," that's no longer philosophy, or serious.
@@LTrotsky21stCentury Did you listen to his explanation of what he meant specifically? Or was this 4 second clip of a best selling author and one of the best debaters/speakers in the world enough for you to conclude he doesn't think anyone should think about anything? 🙄
Ah yes, that famous intellectualism that says, " 'why?' is a fundamentally uniteresting question."
Everything Harris says here lines up with his belief in genetic determinism. For him, what makes Jihadists worse than Nazis is their ethnicity. His avoidance of context betrays his intent - to support domestic nationalism, and overseas imperialism.
I think one of the reasons Harris believes Jihadists are more dangerous/worse than Nazi's because Jihadists have a stronger sense that their endevouars will lead them to eternal bliss. Thus Jihadists are more willing to go the "extra mile" with promise of paradise vs Nazi's who merely did it (mostly) for ideology/nation purposes
Who STILL listens to Sam Harris?
Hard core Islamophobic bigots, I guess.
They listen only 10 seconds, then spend 30 minutes strawmaning.
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@@tamelo zionist sam harris talking points are from aipac playbook. its inherently worthless
@@tameloSam Harris is a joke.
The religious extremists in Israel is a tiny problem. Yeah the 700 thousand settlers would like a word with you Sam
those 700,000 are just the ones in the occupied west bank.
Im glad I got off of the Sam Harris atheist train years ago. He says all of this while actual christian nationalists speak in tongues on Arizona's Capital floor as abortion is banned in the state.
Damnit Sam, you can't say a thing is not just a thing, but an important thing, and then call the cause of the thing something like "uninteresting".
He's nothing more than another reactionary. I'm tired of have to entertain this "intellectual" just because he had a couple of good opinions about Trump.
Reminds me of Douglas Murray, a snooty UK know-it-all. Blames Islam for all the problems in UK and Europe
@@phillipaclemons7261they’re the same person
Very very well said a reactionary to world
Happenings is exactly
Right. He is not a creator of new ideas and philosophy I like that
@@gnubbiersh647 ahhh you’re in the “everything started oct. 7th” camp 🤦🏻♂️
@@gnubbiersh647 so if there was a ceasefire, how did Shireen Abu Akleh end up murdered by IOF?
Remember those protestors who were being snipped by IOF in the Westbank before Oct 7th? Ceasefire my arse! It only existed Murray's mind. If anything, I could argue only Palestinians held up their part of the bargain because the other guys were doing a lot of killing of Palestinian children.
Tbh based on sam Harris's racism towards Arabs I sort of saw his Nazi apologism coming.
Seems to me the IDF has more in common with the SS than Hamas ever could.
BASED
"Details and nuance are uninteresting, especially if they interfere with the point I'm trying to make" is the synopsis of his academic career.
Yoy guys are disgusting for saying sam blamed Muslims. He only criticized the doctrine of jihad. Not the people of all ethnicities who identify as Muslims.
Sam's best commentary is when he is critiquing religiosity in general. In the context of what is going on in gaza it's weird that he's do defensive of Israel when it's so clear that Israel's behaviour is underpinned by the belief that it is divinely supported. I have heard Sam refer to the situation in Gaza as being a faith-based real estate conflict. Whilst that is true to an extent, I'm very surprised that he is defensive of a nation that is killing children by the thousands.
Cant believe some leftists were taking this guy seriously even last year.
As an atheist and a leftist i have no idea who that perp is ?
Leftists like me are still taking him seriously :)
they're not leftists
@@themoops4006that’s not up for you to decide actually.
@@trevorv9218 we have a definition for leftist and these people don't fit it sorry bub
The most radicalized nazis absolutely saw hitler as a god appointed savior.
They saw in him the one who was sent by god to save the arian race not only from the other races, but all the evil.
If this doesn't yet sound very familiar to anyone in the US, it should.
If you were to draw a Venn diagram of the nazis definition of evil and magas definition of evil, you'd have a circle.
Listening to Sam Harris speak is like listening to the stupidest person in the room mansplain to the group.
He needs to pander to his audience. Last time he criticized Trump he was run off of Twitter by his fans
Not true it was the anti-VAXERS
I was gonna say that’s exactly it… he’s not an academic anymore. Dudes an online troll deity. Many of his audience subscribe to masculinity and patriarchal norms.
I'm not defending Harris' position on Islam, but you're wrong about this. He's been speaking of against Trump non-stop since 2016 & hasn't slowed down.
There's plenty to criticize without making things up. If we want any hope of stopping people from spreading harmful ideas, we can't accuse the people we're trying to stop of doing things they didn't.
Harris fans are hardly composed by Trumpists. The right calls him a socialist and the left calls him a Nazi 😅 No one is able to assess issues independently anymore: You gotta pick ur team and parrot 100% of what they say
@@Scottie_McNaughty this channels demonization of Harris is confusing. He probably aligns with them on the majority of hot button issues. And whether you agree with him or not, he's always willing to acknowledge evidence and have reasonable discussion
He knows his voice will put people to sleep if he doesn't say something mind-numbingly stupid.
Lol, I watched one video of his years ago and that's exactly what happened. I was grateful to him for the good night's sleep 😄
He's a glorified skull-measurer
BASED
you know what history is ALMOST fundamentally uninteresting. The history of white supremacy. They just got up one day and declared themselves superior and everyone else as sub-human. In terms of historical conquests here is a big contrast after 300 years Mughals were not even speaking the language of their Afghan founder Babur, the last Mughal died writing Urdu poetry and wearing Indian clothing, knowing Hinduism and Sikki along with Islam. In contrast after 300 years the British left having learned no Indian language, learning no Indian customs, and wearing no Indian clothing.
1:00 is emma implying sam has only recently started critiquing trump?
lmao
he's been critical of him since 2016
Yeah, he probably lost a huge portion of his audience from doing that, too. And he still stuck with it. There's nothing fake about Sam lol.
Islamophobia makes for some strange bedfellows.
So does terrorism
@@TheJimicus Well, you know how it is, some call it terrorism, others say Israel has a right to defend itself.
@@adrien5834 I wasn't referring to Israel
@@TheJimicus You weren't? Oh well, if the shoe fits...
@@adrien5834 Yea yea, I get what you meant, but if you don't know what the word terrorism means then no wonder you excuse kidnapping and murdering concert goers. Israel ain't perfect by any stretch but to compare them to Hamas is hilariously stupid.
17:28 The look on his face just screams "you're saying stuff I don't want to hear, and it pisses me off that I have to acknowledge that history happened because it derails my rhetoric!"
“I’m Jewish so I can say whatever I want on the topic.”? When did cultural history become only the property of one culture. Is it intellectual property, covered by copyright laws? The larger culture isn’t allowed to have discourse on holocaust or any Jewish historical events? This is completely fallacious philosophically and has to be stopped in the media.
*Sam "mother lode of bad ideas" Harris.*
He is been doing the Jordan Peterson strategy before JP: say something stupid, claim it was taken out of context, NEVER explain what context justifies what he had said. Rinse and repeat.
He explained it multiple times in considerable detail.
JP's example would be his infamous: "trans people are like Mao because they consider group identity to be paramount". No amount of context justifies the statement and no interpretation of the statement is beneficial to the world.
@@TheJimicusAnd it miraculously _still_ was a nonsensical exercise in sophistry.
Plus they both have this uncomfortable calmness and cadence that is so disingenuous
Load*
As an atheist myself , I watch Palestinians trying to survive the plight imposed on them by other human beings and I see that their religion gives them hope, keeps them together, provides a way for them to share. And yes, for some, religion gives them the blind courage to fight back ( belief in God gives warriors the strength to kill and die). A materialistic atheist must see the evil in the action , not the belief. The belief is just an imagination; the killing is what is evil. Yet somehow, for these so-called atheists, killing 1000 people is terribly evil because of the belief behind it, yet killing tens of thousands is OK because that belief is better. The new atheists have all gone pro religious wars. To say that's a disappointment is an understatement.
"Religion is the opiate of the masses", and any good leftist should know that you don't condemn the drug or its users, but rather the system that has made life so unbearable for so many people that they need the pain relief in the first place.
Atheism is Narcissism
Their religion gives them hope in a war created by religion
@paulg6274 known as a vicious circle! But secularity does not mean imposing atheism by force on others.
@@paulg6274 religion is human nature
After complaining about Islam for a decade, I thought Sam Harris might have learned something, but no…. Still spewing Bush era Islamophobia.
Have u read the Quran?
The Christian Bible?
The Torah???
That would b a great start for anyone hoping to understand his point.
Yes there r Islamic freedom fighters who grew out of oppression, but there is still a call for violence, death/execution to idolators, also implied for infidels, within the Quran, the religious text that is suppose to guide the Muslim religion.
@@friedricengravy6646 There’s plenty of that stuff in the bible but we don’t think of all christians as being bloodthirsty zealots because we understand there is a difference between the content of the book and behaviour of it’s adherents. Sam Harris seems to think that there is some magical property in the Quran that turns anyone who reads it into a member of Boko Haram or something.
@@0ptimuscrime U r confusing stories of horrendous murder & genocide, even of animals, by God verses a direct creed which states any & all idolators specifically & infidels implied, should b executed.
Im not defending the Christian Bible, I am an atheist but i got there by studying religion, 3 to b exact. Christianity, Judaism, & Islam or aka: the muslim faith.
Harris is specifically pointing to the very real differences between Islamic writings & others such as the Bible & the Torah.
@@friedricengravy6646 academics when the real world exists: 👁️ 👄 👁️
I love this channel for this reason they say the right words directly and described this islamophobic harris
I'm always disappointed to hear Harris brought up seriously because of shit like this. He hasn't changed a bit.
Sam wants you to know this is very bad faith the way you're telling the truth about him here.
on the grand mufti thing, the brits literally invented that position and picked the guy. so even if that was true, it would reflect on the character of the british government of the time, which was pretty antisemitic
New Atheism as a movement was overwhelmingly reactionary so this isn't all that surprising
That is by definition impossible, since the term reactionary refers to the so called reaction that started in Germany against the secular french republic. It was always an attempt to reinstate clerical fascism be it christian, islamic or jewish. An imperial state without borders ruled by a caste system has always been its goal, and religion its only cultural content.
Mixed bag really. Obviously those who have remained part of it try to stay relevant, I'm sure Hitchens would have blown quite a few fuses on Trump pandering to the religious, his attack on media, him looking up to dictators and above all even attempting a coup. Had Hitchens lived he he would have remained the most vocal of them all.
@@hans-joachimbierwirth4727Perhaps you’ve misunderstood what they meant…
I remember when even solidly leftist folks would defend the New Atheists against their progressive critics. Assuming those people are still leftists, they probably feel pretty embarrassed now.
Over a decade ago I listened to Sam Harris because he helped me transition out of religion. I liked his arguments on morality being determinable through science and reason. However, he jumped the shark long ago and has become an obsessive anti-political correctness crusader with extreme Islamophobia. He sounds like a broken record and has nothing interesting to say. His choices of associations over the years have been abysmal. At least he recognized just how toxic and right-wing the IDW was, but far too late. If you obsess about political correctness too much, you'll find yourself in company with other anti-political correctness nuts, who are overwhelmingly far right.
This!
I feel there is a lack of context. His line about "not caring about how Hamas came to be" is in response to how we now treat Hamas. As in, "Do we care how Trump supporters became so radical? I suppose we do, but I don't care right now. Right now I have to vote Democrat and fight against this threat to democracy." It is fundamentally irrelevant how Hamas or Trump Fanatisism began when you are in the middle of a war against them.
Facts don't care about Sam Harris' personal sense of disinterest.
Living in Texas, I know a few evangelical people.
Recently, I was in an argument with an evangelical, who avidly supports the actions of the Israel Gov.
He attempted to justify his support by saying that Jewish people are the chosen people of God, but when i asked him what he thinks happens to non-christians after they die, he did not want to answer me.
I asked him the same question multiple times and, each time, he refused to answer.....because the truth is that we both know he thinks all non christians are going to burn in hell forever.
He honestly thinks that burning in hell forever is a just punishment for simply not sharing his religious beliefs......and that is extremely disturbing and very telling.
The truth is that he thinks jews, as well as every other non-christian, deserves the ultimate eternal punishment of literally experiencing the constant pain of burning forever.
It really makes me wonder what actually motivates him in this context...because his claims regarding his motivations are not sincere, especially when he refuses to answer a question that he knows will reveal his contradiction.
He is not being contradictive accidentally, otherwise he would have answered my question, without being aware of the contradiction. Instead, he wanted to change the subject. He was smart enough to know that his answer to my question would be a doorway to discussing ulterior motives that he prefers not to acknowledge.
It is my opinion that any belief that promotes THE AGONY OF BURNING FOREVER, as a correct punishment for those, who do not conform, IS rooted in terrorism....and many modern evangelicals see the terrorism of Netanyahu, as a means of perpetuating their own religious terrorism.
I love this comment.
I’m a democrat and I can’t stand these theatrical round tables. “Resort to terrorism?” He’s focusing on Jihadism I agree with Sam Harris. Taking all what he says out of context. Scary the way you rationalize terrorism. Shifting focus away from the real problems…analyzing analysis of analysis.
Unfortunately, I used to listen to SH way back when alongside Dawkins and Hitchens. I could have sworn I have heard that Nazi apologia before at some point back then. It sounded very familiar
Somewhere in "The End of Faith" Harris says that the people with the most sensible attitude toward immigration are the fascists. It was right there the whole time.
Can we just take a moment to appreciate the female host, her analysis is always refreshing, shes smart and its always nice to hear her take. Thank you for all of you at the majority report for being the voice of logic.
1:37 “jihadist” is such a vague term… basically the concept of Jihad means “struggle” - either the struggle to overcome an external enemy, or overcome your own inclination to sin, or to proselytise the word of god. It’s putting your personal desires aside for God.
Like somebody who is dealing with alcohol dependency and trying to quit because they want to be closer to God could be said to be engaging in Jihad. It’s a praiseworthy thing to do.
Describing Hamas as “jihadist” is missing the point- because the primary thing motivating them is not religion, it’s Palestinian nationalism and separatism from Israel. This isn’t a holy war, it’s a war about territory and rights.
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I’m so sick of hearing Israel has the right to defend itself . Defend what , oppression ? Why does Hamas not have the right to defend or resist occupation , by any means necesssry (Malcolm X) ?
Israel has the right to defend itself.
@@davidradovsky5354 everyone does
Read the Quran & then come back to tells us that the execution of idolators & infidels is not a demand of the Muslim faith. Admitting that there is no Christian Bible that demands all Jews or Muslims b killed does not imply support for Israel committing war crimes.
Two things can b true at the same time. Yes, extremists can b found within every religion, but to ignore the call to violence in the Quran is like ignoring the patriarch promoted within the Christian Bible.
Facts still exist.
R there Islamic freedom fighters who have grown out of oppression? Yes. R they the only violent followers? No.
@@davidradovsky5354 Let's put aside the fallacy of this based on international law and just common sense given the occupation status, but let take the entire occupation out for a second, defense is something you do in real time , meaning their defense would have been limited to Oct 7th. Anything after that is retribution, which they do not have a right to do. And unless you are a fascist, that 'right of self-defense' isn't limited to one side. You are on the side of the abuser and state you have the sole right to defend yourself when the person you are attacking attacks you in response. It's absurd.
@@friedricengravy6646But it doesn’t do that. You are stripping all context from that line which is actually more referring to polytheists and hostile persecutors of Islam (something the Bible is similarly hostile to). It actually shows deference to the other Abrahamic religions because Islam IS an Abrahamic religion.
Nazis came to power based on false grievances whereas Hamas came to power based upon real ones.
This is in no way an attempt to defend Hamas, except when compared to Nazis.
U r leaving out a great deal of information in ur comparison. U r right, Nazis were fed lies…..from a cult of personality that were fertilized by starvation & economic disaster after World War One.
The difference, yes there r Islamic freedom fighters who grew out of oppression, but there is still a call for idolators to b killed, the same is implied for infidels, within the Quran itself.
None of this excuses any violence from any group including the Nazis. But explaining why Islamic extremists r actually just orthodox in their adherence to scripture is not racist (as these hosts work hard to claim) nor is it Islamaphobia.
Harris is making the point that having a group committed to an ideology exploited by a man or group of men is bad, but having that violence inspired by religious scripture is worse.
I read his book on 'Lying'. Promoted radical honesty. Beyond that, I think he's a Ding Dong.
I thought it said racial honesty.
@@jaymann5180 sam is anything but racially honest
@@purplestuff Correct. That is a fact!!
I haven't read the book, but if "radical honesty" means what I think it means, I suspect it would be disastrous. I'm on the autism spectrum, so I can observe human behavior with a certain degree of detachment. It's clear to me that people are dishonest all the time-- about how they feel, what they want, etc.--and that some such dishonesty is necessary to keep human relationships from breaking down. This may not be true of everyone, but it seems true of most people.
Like Dawkins he is attempting to remain relevant. Also most likely paid very well to shill for …
If someone is saying things you disagree with then its probably likely they are speaking their mind freely on topics and not just taking a "left" or "right" view of the world. This show is stuck in a purely "left" view of the world and grifts to its audience.
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@@firefly9838enlightened centrism isn't a reasoned position
Sam Harris cringe 😬
This is a smear... if you actually listen to the whole thing its quite rational to this whole mess...
@@firefly9838 Thats why you and Sam are defending Hitler and the n*zis.
@@firefly9838nope.
It seems you're guilty of having the same issue as you claim Sam Harris has, discounting the history of a situation and claiming your perception is the reality of the situation.
Sam is not here to defend himself. This makes you look bad.
Sam Harris' autobiography should be: "The practice of rationalising your virulent bigotry"
Being martyred doesn't have the same meaning to Muslims as it does to a westerner.
Calling the violent loss of a loved one "being martyred" is a coping mechanism to ease the pain of loss, I doubt it works any better than when a westerner says "I'm sorry for your loss".
A Muslim mother would rather have their child alive than be in a position where she's saying they were "martyred", I expect muslim mothers and fathers have nightmares about being in a situation where they are saying "my child was martyred".
Well said.Yes,it is sad to see the head of hommus say that whilst mourning his 3 sons that satanyahu just had un alived.Imagine what the response would be if it was the other way round 😢
It's perfectly reasonable to point out that religion can be used to make disenfranchised people into extremists. It's not reasonable at all to single out one religion.
Particularly when in this situation, a different religion is being used to make *enfranchised* people into extremists too.
This discussion was a master class about how to Straw Man an argument. I'm not a fan of SH (or anyone in the DW group) but the joking and simplification of SH arguments look worse on TMR. If SH's rhetoric is the problem you are not helping guys. Please, level up.
“I’m Jewish and I can say whatever I want on the topic” I’m sorry but I really don’t think it works that way bruh
By his logic, he shouldn’t say shit about Muslims.
5:40: US people think that the Nazis (= Nationalists like Trump declared himself one) was a lower-class movement??! I think my eyes fall out...
But OK, hardcore US right-wing Nationalists keep on claiming that Nazi is the abbreviation of Socialist (which is Sozi)
The german industry of course loved the fascist regime, it was a depression, and the Nazis started dozens and dozens of giant projects, where you could earn a fortune. Say
- the complete rearmament of Germany, that were only allowed a tiny more or less police force until the Nazis simply cancelled the contract with France and UK
- the autobahns
- have a look at Prora on the island of Rügen, a 4 km (2.5 miles) long continuous holiday complex at the coastline
- in any case the holiday industry boomed, was massively subventioned. The workers should be kept happy, and they really got stuff that was unprecedented.
- the Volkswagen Beetle
- Hitler's Gigantomania, his giant buildings that he planned and that were partly built. E.g. in Nürberg there is still some giant place around.
Hitler wanted to completely redo Berlin, tear half of it down for giant halls.
- and and and...
In all these projects the control wa s by the Partei, but the project was executed by private companies - you could make millions with that.
Hitler was an avid Richard Wagner fan. The bomb(lol)astic, heroic style of his music was exactly what he wanted.
So he was a regular visitor of the Richard Wagner Festival in Bayreuth. THE meeting place for the cream of the crop.
E.g. Bertha Krupp invited him. She was totally fascinated by him, kept on admiring him long after the war until her death. She was part of the Krupp dynasty, and Krupp (along with Thyssen) is synonymous for german steel (and military equipment). "Hart wie Kruppstahl" (tough like Krupp steel) was a common saying when you wanted to express the power and unwaivering determination of a man (got a little out of fashion after the Third Reich ;-)).
But it is clear that in the US the Corporations do not want to admit that it needs corporations to establish a totalitarian regime, and that they are eager to cooperate with one when profits are looming.
Nazis were imperialists, not nationalists. They strictly followed the anti nationalist paradigma of the reactionary conservative revolution renedering all domestic policies tools of foreign policy. Nationalism does the opposite. It doesn't matter what they called themselves in order to scam their voters.
Eric Levitz wrote an excellent piece in the Intelligencer totally destroying Harris and his simplistic takes on this topic. Definitely worth a read.
Could you link this article? Cannot find it.
I used to like Sam Harris until he became a right-wing doofus. Sad.
Sam Harris is incredibly smart. Read his book End of Faith. He criticizes all religions including Judaism. Being against Jihadism is what we all should be against.
Who are these clowns? Sam Harris is completely right.
Usually not a fan of Sam Harris but he made some good points in that brief clip. Went on to listen to the rest of the podcast. Thanks for pointing that out for me Emma!
I do not like how this begins, because it ignores the fact that Harris' first several novels were all anti-Christian, and didn't even mention Islam. Harris has written fewer books on Islam (or essays) than he has Christianity. In fact, his best selling novels are still his anti-Christian material. I think it is VERY disingenuous to say that he "really attacks only one religions." That is a lie, in fact. And an outrageous one if you look back more than 10 years.
Listen to how he talks about Islam versus everything else.
@@sproductionsincoh yeah, because obviously Judaism and Buddhism are way worse than islam right?
@@sproductionsinc you clearly haven’t read his books. And he talks about Islam honestly. If he is not, then he is lying. Finding the lie is the hard part. To claim all religions are equal is also problematic; Buddhism and Jainism are hardly comparable to Catholicism and Islam….but no one ever complained when they were never mentioned
This coming from a guy who doesn’t believe in free will. You’d think then he’d have some kind of understanding and or acknowledgement of the historical pressures that have led to the violence from Hamas
Jesus Christ, just when I thought the three of you couldn't be more highly regarded ...
Why do they call them settlements instead of what they are, colonies.
Stupid remark by Sam Harris.
Yeah, he did a few of them in this video.
He's full of them.
Its just a remark when Harris says it.
The stupid is implied.
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No. He is otherwise pretty rational.
How is he wrong though??? Fundamentally alot of you are just fan biasing the Sam seder
Anyone think Sam Harris just looks like Ben Stiller if he tried to start a Manosphere podcast?
Kinda like a discount Ben Stiller 😂
I would watch that movie.
It's so painful how critics of religion like Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins won't condemn the ethnic cleansing carried out by a theocratic regime who believes they have a God given right to take that land. Hitchens was at least on the right side of this one, for all his flaws.
It would appear that non of you have actually read any of his books. Sam has always hated trump and he’s definitely not a conservative.
Harris is critical of religion, ideas, and actions. He is not as you are characterizing him
Yet he claims to share most of his politics with Trump. Funny that.
700 thousand religious extremist settlers in the West Bank are inconsequential apparently.
That commentator was spitting truth. He's speaking fast because people need to know - once you know you're become a prisoner of that knowledge; or you reject it because you're part of the problem. Legacy media soundbites don't do these issues justice, obviously.
Note the body language of Sam on the last clip.especially the very red neck and face!he does get riled up internally.
I saw Sam, Richard Dawkins, and Matt Dillahaunty live years ago. It's wild how insane Richard and Sam have gotten.
Sam Harrison: So-called philosopher and nazis are less evil than
Richard Dawkins: Cultural Christian etc
Last time i checked it was Dillahunty who took the cake terrorizing his callers like he was the spanish inquisition. Harris has always been the overrated brat he is, and Dawkins is basically a bit weak in most of his positions though that might be helpful.
I'm an atheist. Muslims are Sam Harris's blindspot.
Two atheist I constantly quote in my inner monologue when talking about any issue to keep me in check.
"You give me the awful impression, I hate to have to say it, of someone who hasn't read any of the arguments against your position ever." ~ Christopher Hitchens
And
"Be Hard On Your Opinions
A famous bon mot asserts that opinions are like arse-holes, in that everyone has one. There is great wisdom in this… but I would add that opinions differ significantly from arse-holes, in that yours should be constantly and thoroughly examined.
We must think critically, and not just about the ideas of others. Be hard on your beliefs. Take them out onto the verandah and beat them with a cricket bat.
Be intellectually rigorous. Identify your biases, your prejudices, your privilege.
Most of society’s arguments are kept alive by a failure to acknowledge nuance. We tend to generate false dichotomies, then try to argue one point using two entirely different sets of assumptions, like two tennis players trying to win a match by hitting beautifully executed shots from either end of separate tennis courts." ~ Tim Minchin's commencement speech.
Sam Harris is basically a cynical opportunist. I find him to be the used car salesman of political discussion. And what I find so irritating is that people that listen to him actually think he is a philosopher.
And what I find frightening is his scapegoating of Islam and veiled defenses of fascism.