Why Street Fighter 6 NEEDS A Balance Patch (ft. Diaphone, Kizzie Kay)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- Back when Capcom was releasing Street Fighter 6, they made a rather bold and somewhat controversial decision that left many players quite divided: They will not do any balance patches during the first year of the game's release. What used to be expected every month or character release for buffs and nerfs, is now something that we have to deal with instead. But with a few months and characters now released, do we think this is still a good thing, or do we deserve at least something? Hear what Kizzie Kay and Diaphone think about this!
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It's wild Kizzy is proposing 3 years between major patches. The game is mostly solid but patches aren't just about balancing. As Diaphone said its about keeping the game fresh in a world where people are constantly bouncing from one game to the next. I can see wanting the game to remain more consistent from a competitor's perspective but if you let the meta calcify that much people are going to lose interest.
For me it just reeks of... privilege.
The people that are most likely to put in the hours and the time and be able to adapt to such major changes are the ones least likely to want them.
At some point this genre became a spectator sport- if the sport is boring to watch then it will fizzle.
Knowledge disseminates so much faster in this modern era that things go stale that much quicker. You find something that you don't like about the game and all of the sudden have stats and/or a horde of people agreeing with you. Some people may like a dead stale game and find joy finding and seeking diamonds in the calcified remains of a discord fighter... but most just want to see what's new at the end of the day. Whether that be new talent, new tech, new rivalries, or new characters. Without the new we're through.
@@LumaTo Calling that privileged is out of pocket. You could make the argument that wanting Meta refreshes is privileged. People who burn themselves out on the game and play non-stop are at the front of that line to clamor for something new too.
If the game is fun and the top players can make interesting interactions with the tools given, that's enough, imo.
That being said, Let Lariat hit on both sides ffs. ;_;
3 years between patches it's better than a patch every 1-2 months for sure. 2 patches a year is the best middle ground, otherwise in 6 months you don't even have time to learn all the new stuff and all, plus normal people play other games too, who has time to relearn a game every month.
Yo Kizzie. Your bed is haunted dog.
Glad I am not the only one who noticed. I think he has a fan on.
Zangief's lv1 missing when you TOUCH is nerve-exploding.
Indeed
Manon lvl 3 not hit confirmable 😢
1. You can't please everyone
2. You can't please the loudest nor quietest person, you should please what the stats say.
3. It's a fighting game not my character sucks fix it.
4. The meta is what makes characters fun not just their moveset.
5. It's capcom's game, they should have an idea for a fun, interesting game and execute that. There will be biases as to what fun is because of recency, nostalgia and group status. People will co plain because they suck and form a tribe to complain a character sucks to hide the fact they suck.
Well put.
Who do you main?
@@johnnieboy66 jamie
@@tinypig3191 not you, Benjamin
@@johnnieboy66 oh. kek
Every fighting game needs balance patches
Agree with everything here, AND also there should be a patch for alternate music options that are more melodical instead of made for the announcers, give more costumes, and make some small quality of life changes to the underlying input engine and this game is set for me
Every track needs to be alternated. The Sf6 OST subtitle could be "elevator music from around the globe." I feel like a lot of games play it safe with the OSTs these days making them super forgettable.
@jkvltra804 "Elevator music" describes the boring Battle Hub music. It was better when they played the TMNT theme.
What do you mean the music is made for the announcers?
I just hate the character select screen rap crap and wish I could change that. The Fighting Ground menu music is great though.
@@PhilomathBret this is speculative but I think the music is meant to be non disruptive so that when you turn announcers on it focuses on the voices. Also agree fighting ground music is good
Agreed bring back all the old classic music from the original games as dlc!
I don’t remember deejay being called the best character, best drive rush maybe. He’s still top 5 tho lol
I remember it but it was pretty short lived before the JP/Ken exhaustion settled back in.
Deejay and ken are the 2 most highly represented characters in the capcom cup so there is evidence that he may be a top 3 or 2 character. I personally think if he’s played at the top level along with other characters, then he’s only behind ken and JP, but that’s just my opinion
DeeJay was definitely S-Tier month 1.
Only Smug is downplaying DeeJay at this point. Take a guess on why that is…
DeeJay was the first best character before Ken dominated. And now he's starting to enter that sphere again with more experimentation.
Diaphone was really on point with his analysis. It’s pretty clear that lily, gief, and manon are worse and unable to use the system mechanics correctly. They can’t ‘party’ the way others can.
As Gief,
Raw CA: 🎉
No Lariat anti-air on cross-up: 😔
Manon? Nah. These characters are solid. In the right hands. Unstoppable.
I think are great in the right hands. The top tier characters need to but adjusted along with inputs
Put Ryu in that list too.
that’s what makes them cool. if they start buffing the grapplers they’ll be super obnoxious
The thumbnail we wanna nerf goolay?? 😮 he just be crouching menacingly he ain’t mean no harm
Be very afraid 😂
Give Ryu the capacity to store 3 denjin charges.
IMO I’m fine with infrequent patches. Ideas may spread fast in the day and age of the Internet and social media, but it’s still taking a not-insignificant amount of time for players to fully grasp their own character style. I allways point out that Nash in SFV season 1 was top tier for like, 4-5 months before people started to play the matchup way better and their own characters better and every single Nash player who qualified for Cap Cup didn’t even make it to top 16 and he still got nerfed. Minor changes and bug fixes I’m definitely for, but big patches should be like… 8-10 months apart
I was talking with someone at locals who was beasting everyone with Zangief. Our discussion got to SFV balancing and something I totally forgot about that he mentioned was the fact that the 8 frames of input lag helped Nash assert his dominance in SFV's earliest months. I think that got reduced around the same time seasonal rebalances made Nash meta-irrelevant
I absolutely hate it when someone says ' x is not weak there are people doing very well using x '
John Wick kills people very efficiently with pencils it doesnt mean pencils are highly effective killing weapons. also the game is not made for just that one person, its not only for tournaments there are normies like you and me too.
it would be ridiculous if I sent you to a gun fight with a pencil and tell you 'these are fine, John Wick uses this very well'. right?
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. SFV only had a patch about every year. And sometimes it went 2 years between patches. Like, this is not a new phenomenon. A patch a year has been the standard. How is it a radical social experiment?
But people also underestimate how difficult it is to make adjustments to a fighting game. You make a single move 1 frame slower, and suddenly none of the combos work if that move was in them in the middle. You make JP's spike come out 1 frame slower, suddenly his entire gameplan is gone. Nothing links anymore. The character just shuts down and stops working. Fighting game balance is a razors edge. So unless you make changes that don't really "matter" like changing health and damage numbers. You're going to need to put a lot of time and effort into making changes that won't brick a character.
This game's just over 4 months old lol. But I guess it must feel like a year with some people.
Dude prolly played cracked version
yes cap, Give Manon, Laura's Projectile, 🙃
Oui agree with this message lmao.
The people who don't see the issue with SF6's invalid hitboxes, bad input reading and no combo breaking mechanic, and have been play online competitively for the longest since it's release saying crap like: "SF6 is awesome, i'm having fun" are either cheaters modding the game, and modern players.
Kizzy has some CRAZY takes in this video. CRAZY takes. 3 years with no patches, no new DLC characters. dudes are wild lol
I'd say just buff the low tiers. The only issue with that; it won't effect character variety in the high tiers. JP is still S+ and Ken is still S, everyone will continue to just play those two characters. Ranked right now is Ken every other match.
He’s fun, what can I say?
No, top tiers gotta be brought down, especially Ken. Can't just raise the lower tiers, no one would change.
Stop whining. It's a game. These characters are not made the same for a reason. Pick who you like. Get good. And take your character to the top. Stop putting the responsibility on the devs.
It's too late to say that. People are conditioned to lump the responsibility on the game maker, because look how often and how many times they've caved into the public. It's now expected, that they do that.
@@d0k0night That's crazy. All the resources this game provides in the Training and combos tutorials. And y'all can't just practice? Practice? We talking about practice. It's is 100% our responsibility as players to make, I don't know, Honda a top tier. Fighting games are deeper than they appear. I fought a dailsum the other day and I said to my self. . This character is the main boss. I mean this guy whipped me on his bum.
Nerf guile? Clearly y’all don’t use him
Facts Guile gets blown up by the rush down characters
@@westmatt007 and his spacing needs to be perfect. If he’s on burnout and opponent keeps mashing he can’t even get his lvl 1 out. Not saying he ain’t good but it takes a lot of practice with him
@@Rebelmike305 facts he's definitely strong but playing guile takes a lot practice and knowledge
Guile is really strong, but people just cant play with him.
Charge characters are aways a big NO to most people, even if they're busted.
@@Zelldic27 have you met Luke yet? That’s strong to me 😂
I told people manon needed buffs the first week but people thought she was op smh
And she needs a jump grab... Something like Cammy has with her legs maybe... Or she should be able to jump and grab them and do an air ballet move.
She needs a wake up
manon is not even that bad lol yall capping she has great normals good pressure her only issue is that her combo dmg and drive rush is not that good i mainly play kim jamie and manon and god feels manon good after playing those 2
@@thefitgurutv she has at least a good lvl 1 and lvl 2 for that both of wich kims suck in comparison she does not need that
@@alexmaganda5827 but her anti-air develops too slowly and isn’t as intuitive as the other combatants.
3 years for a patch is insane to me ngl.
I thought it was a patch every year ?
yeh he crazy that he said that its usually a big balance patch each year at least in sfv is how they did it
Yeah if you don’t balance the game ppl are going to get tired of playing if you wait 3 yrs
@@josephjones5955 You're out of your mind bro. People still play Alpha 2 and 3, and 3rd strike without any balance changes.
BBCF2.0 came out in 2017 and people are still playing that 6 years later without any changes, myself included. If you get tired of playing a game that doesn't constantly get changed, then it's not a very good game to begin with.
@@BlahBlahFreeman ignoring obvious balance issues is not good just bc older games had poor treatment does not mean it has to stay that way
"almost the first year of sf6" the math ain't adding up
i think they run the chance of ppl just putting down the game, if there's nothing to look foward to, or if they have to wait so long for something to help them in their struggle. A year is just too long
Spider-Man 2 and Mario Wonder dropped on the same day and more games coming in Q4, people will just drop off the game if they hop online and they're dealing with JP and Ken all day as well as hackers now, too. Patches give people something to look forward to and it lets the content creators keep making good content for the game, they can be the lifeblood of a community and you don't want those people really running out of topics to talk about. It's so easy for games to get lost in the mix these days, imagine being someone who mains a bottom three character and your only option is to learn someone else...or knowing the reality of having to deal with some horrendous MUs for a whole year before things even hope to change.
Kizzie stop the fuckin cap the games been out for almost half a year and definitely needs tweaking, not to mention what Jamie have you seen in any top 5 that wasn't a small stream
There are literally some characters that feel like the are scrounging for damage and others that are overflowing with it. Sure you can beat them off skill but the amount of work you have to do is ungodly.
Capcom patching the game once a year makes a lot of sense. People don’t realize that there are a lot of players who don’t have the bandwidth to relearn a game quarterly after a patch. There are a lot of people that take the game “serious” and have other priorities so they do not play everyday.
Second, game developers should have a vision for their game, which shouldn’t be affected by whining from the player base, regardless of skill level. There is a reason why out of all the fighting games in this generation sf6 is by far the most polished and most fun.
Lastly, nerfing or buffing characters rarely improves the game. SFV only changed when they added to the system. Even if you buff all the weaker characters, they will be replace by a new set of weak characters. So, what exactly is the goal of this patch? Just to shift the tiers around?
What do you mean by "buffing/nerfing rarely improves the game"? If you're someone who mains one of those characters and feels like your character is under-tuned and can't compete, I'm sure you would feel it improves your game experience. Do you disagree with this? Having more people able to "party" as Diaphone puts it, is a good thing, and ultimately you want to see more representation in tournaments instead of the same 5 characters--that's good for the players *and* the viewers. Your point about people having other priorities and no time to learn other characters works the other way, as well. If you are using Zangief and only have time to play him, then you are in the same boat as the person who over-invested in JP and has no time to learn anyone else. This is reductive though, a balance change isn't going to turn your character into a foreign entity that you don't understand anymore. Minor changes in frame data aren't going to invalidate an entire play style or understanding of a character.
Not really on the final point about shifting tiers around, either. I think that's a reductive way of looking at it. The argument for the bottom tiers being buffed is so they can utilize the universal mechanics better, even if they shifted up and some went down, the ones that went down wouldn't have the same issues, or really any at all. This game has a massive spread of A tier characters, so all it takes is a few nerfs of the top 3 to open up the meta environment. The mid tiers are in a very healthy spot, so balancing this game is really just about analyzing the top 3 and bottom 3 and making some adjustments there.
people like you are why fgs are bad
Maybe it is time for fighting games to run test servers for their balance patches
Well deserved MK criticism.
NRS are bad at making competitive fighting games and now assist based. Lol. They're so off
I'm mostly for buffs except the top tiers. Nerfs would be miniscule if we're only focusing on what makes the top tiers strong and it'll just crowd up the A tier. That could be a good or bad thing depending on the person but for me crowding up the S tier is more important. Cuz Ken, Luke, Guile, Cammy, DJ, Juri and JP won't magically climb to SS tier if they don't touch them. We all know these guys have it way easier then the rest. Just let everyone else cook at the same level.
BUFFS FOR LILY, PLEEEEEEEASE!!! HAHHA!
@@YourXellencyyou’re not playing her right if you think she needs buffs. She isn’t a rush down character she’s a setup character.
@@denniswillis2874 I bet you don’t main Lily. I gave your comment a thumbs up though!
Patches being centered around tournament dates is extremely dumb. 90% of the playerbase aren't tournament players or people who watch tournaments. It's stupid to center everything around such a small amount of players.
They're probably not gonna wait a year for a balance patch. My guess is that they'll do it early after the 2 million dollar prize pool has been distributed.
This is why games need to be patched more than once a year. That shit is dumb. Make everyone spend a year against obviously overpowered or underpowered characters and mechanics. Small patch every three months, with a large patch every 6 months
Almost the first year? The game came out 3 months ago lol
that was thinking lol this came out this year no this be a year yet lol
someone was cracked lol
yes....they totally need to major buff all those low tier characters. You see same characters in tournaments all the time, and it is getting boring. They even released Aki which is like one of lowest tier character lol. We need to see more variety in tournaments to see fresh toournament.
I hear Kizzie, but a mid season patch would be the sweet spot for me.
Give Ryu the ability to choose when to release the Dinjin charge.
100%, make it heavy punch version only
Or let him stack Denjin and have variable fireball timings still... give an OD version of Charge that grants 2 stacks or a stack with reduced recovery for oki. Denjin Hashogeki might stay the same cause fast + denjin geki would be too overtuned.
Let him shoot diagonal lvl1 like Guile too
Let his OD hashogeki be special move cancelable. Let his H tatsu be able to juggle combo without having to be at the far end of the screen. Denjin should be stackable or have a faster recovery.
I don't think they should make any changes that would create new combo paths. Multiple denjin charges would mean you could juggle from multiple denjin fireballs. It's almost impossible to react to denjin fireballs so making them stackable would make him cheap.
Here's another idea. How about making the Drive meter recover twice as fast during denjin charge. This would apply whether in burnout or not. It would be a great way to build meter when you're far away or hard knockdown the opponent.
To me there is just too much nuance being used here, its pretty simple, if characters simply can't keep up, then do a slight tweak over a shorter period of time. Only look at nerfing something that is broken. New season? Change up the meta. But with each character release, help those who obviously need it.
I think SF6 is the only fighting game ever that can seriously say "no patches until a year". The balance is not perfect, but is very very close, there are almost no noticeable bugs or glitches, the roster is very interesting and diverse from the first day, the training mode is absolutely gorgeous and the online is spot on 99% of the time.
That being said, I personally think a minor patch would make things even better.
1- Fix the strange menu irresponsiveness when waiting for online matches while in training.
2- Tweak the input response when dealing with Drive Rush, so it doesn't "fail" so often. Maybe adjust the buffer, I don't know.
3- Choose one and nerf it slightly: Ken damage, Ken wall carry, Ken plus frames or Ken invulnerability. 4 of 4 is too much.
4- OD amnesia shouldn't grant a full combo, unless is very, very scaled.
5- Slightly buff the bottom five. I think one or two very little tweaks could do really great for them.
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6- Also add more costumes for the characters already.
OD amnesia really earns it's name doesn't it. It makes you forget about winning when it hits. 🤣
No. Kens fine. He's a sol8d rundown character. There literally strats online that tell you how to beat him. If you still losing that's a personal problem.
The bottom five are the bottom five. They are fine the way they are. You mad? Pick a different character or rock with who you like.
@@thejtrax He is not a solid rundown character, he is an overwhelming rundown character, has a dash that can be cancelled into overhead, or mid, or outright cancelled to neutral, WHILE also having the core drive rush mechanics, AND good fireball, AND good anti air, AND good wall carry, AND good footsies, hes not broken, hes just overwhelming as hell and thus needs some kind of nerf
"there are almost no noticeable bugs or glitches"
Drive Rush, about to eat your input: Allow me to introduce myself
Master rank Manon myself and i can confirm that almost every chatacter has more options on wake up, better block strings, corner pressure u name it i have to do twice as much to win a fight than most of the roster.
The sheer number of neutrals we need to win just to get even close to the damage others get off of a tiny spammed confirm lmao. And don't get me started on our lack of wake up corner options.
WoW didnt know kizzie thinks jamie and aki gonna come in 3 years later gonna flip the fcg on its head
Its not just about being able to beat a high tier character with a low tier it’s about the high tier having a way easier time due to having stronger tools
small buffs to the low tiers, adjustments and very very small nerfs to the top tier then bring in some more DLC characters and the game would be in the perfect place
We need more costumes and stages. Also team battles would be nice. They could add 4 player stations to battle hub so we can team battle there too
Commenting on every video requesting Makoto’s BBCF combo trials, video 32.
I can understand Capcom mindset of not making dlc characters too powerful, but whoever tested AKI and thought that she was okay to release in her state clearly didn't do a good job, i can excuse her lack of wake up options since all characters i seem to main always lack them but i cannot excuse her lack of whiff punishing on her neutrals. Her zoning suxs and just have to eat pressure, lack of DR options bcz can't maintain pressure from it, her Cr Mk is her only safe-ish poke but it isn't cancellable. I've never seen such a flawed character upon release and i hope Ed and akuma isn't "too safe" on release else i'd really lose interest in the game
Her buttons have good range, she just can't cancel nothing, which is dumb. You'd think her zoning would be god tier with all her restrictions, but it's not.
She's pretty cool looking and has mad damage in the corner, but the amount of uncancellable normals is a big issue.
I play a lot of Sim and he has a similar issue. He has no cancellable confirms off of lights, he's forced to drive rush them or OD. I hate it. His light confirms are so expensive because he cannot cancel into a normal special move.
@@WutTheDeuceGaming it makes no sense how the most basic cancellable buttons for other characters like MK isn't cancellable for AKI, its not like the button is particularly powerful anyways
@@WutTheDeuceGaming Only her heavy and maybe St Mp have good range but not able to whiff punish anything with em is pointless, most characters can mash buttons on her on defense and you can't punish em if they go out of her jab range except Cr mk but like you said it's not cancellable which is sad
Welcome to the gief world, things doesnt quite work as they should
As a guile main, who also sucks, can someone explain why guile is so overpowered? I must be doing something wrong
watch nuckledu, he's the best guile player
He's not. He's just a really powerful zoner which makes everyone annoyed by him. But parry system makes it so he can't just burn you down with fireball pressure. And perfect parries allow you to gain ground just fine. He's really strong but actually has a few key weaknesses. Without charge he actually struggles a lot with AA and every sonic boom means he doesn't have down charge. I'll accept anyone saying he's top 5 but overpowered? Come on. Like MAYBE his FK is a little too good at AA. But his drive rush is slow and not many of his moves can cancel into DI.
I think his projectiles flash kick and air grab are really good for oppressing you into a corner. You can really lock down a player if u get inside their head.
@@pickleplays7264isn’t that the guy who goes into battle hub and gets an20+ win streak when he hops on a cabinet?
Fellow guile here, it's a combination of strong zoning with surprisingly good buttons. From full screen, guile is pretty much winning vs every character. Midrange, guile is generally even or winning with every character. His pressure at close range isn't the best, but it's still pretty good and can lead into very high damage off a shimmy or whiff punish. His worst position is being pressured, but even then he has ex flash kick and good jabs alongside system mechanics. He's really good, not broken, but really good at everything. His zoning is borderline broken vs a few characters, but imo that's moreso the weaker characters not having enough tools against zoning.
Anybody thats ok with no major patches for a year is delusional and wont be thinking that after a year if they are even still playing the game by then. Takes and mindsets like this are why devs keep being given more excuses to be lazy and games like this will never be properly fixed or kept fresh. These people are part of the problem. This game will grow stale and the player base will drop off just like any other fighting game that apparently "doesn't need balancing or fixing". 😂
Capcom design philosophy- let's bake Ken and JP and in the oven for 4 months, optimize them to tailor the game. Geif and Lily- let's just bake them for 1 week. Just get it done.
I'm pretty sure that Gief and Lily are the way they are because of modern controls and drive rush. I think one button SPD into looping drive rush Oki was something they were so scared of that it put these characters in this state. Makes sense, sounds degenerate
Just buff Ryu, Zangief and Lily!
Ye I agree that 4 character a year seems a bit low...
I was kinda hoping this would get a lot more in-depth, like a Starcraft balance discussion. Who should be nerfed and exactly how, eg. more frames on this normal, reduction of damage on this ability, shorter drive rush by X distance, etc etc.
Fix Zangief’s lariat hit box
SF6 is thd best launched fighter I've played with the best balancing. I dont think anyone needs a nerfs, but only buffs for those that need it.
there should be a fighting game debate series on this channel where kizzie gets guests to debate fighting game topics, i'd totally watch that
Imo just balance the damagescaling and tweak damage done by certain characters. So that it doesnt feel so unfair sometimes. Also ad a seperate option for modrrn and classic matchmaking. The rest is just perfect imo
Dee Jay still very good, Gief success is all SnakeEyez skill.
I think Jamie is secretly better than everyone knows
he takes way more effort when you can just play friggin Ken but he is 100x more sick and stylish than Ken's repetitive playstyle. I find him worth using as a secondary for that alone
@@BronzeAgePepperExactly, his design and drink system automatically makes him anti-flowchart compared to a lot of the “better” characters and you have to be aware. And his drive rush doesn’t fly across the whole screen fast like a anime fighter. I think if they made it where he doesn’t get hit out of his drink animation so easily he’d be super solid. I think nit getting a drink level when you’re at the end of the animation ‘cause you got clipped by a hadouken is bs lol. I don’t think he should keep his drink levels because level 3/4 Jaimie at round start would be too broken. But yeah, he’s super dynamic and has a nice risk reward system I wish more of the cast had.
Jamie is a fantastic design, but he's got nothing truly busted busted. Even 4 drink Jamie isn't as oppressive as JP, nor should he be. He's got a lot of cool tech, but goddamn it's hard to push that character through the powerful stuff.
@@acydrayn73Lvl 4 Jamie is basically a mix-up character with Marisa-level damage
@@artboy598 yes, but he doesn't get that damage off of all the mixup options, only getting it off of the throw for bar, and never really off the overhead. That said, his offense rocks.
Buff dee jay dance move
One patch a year was a mistake.
I think a VERY minor adjustment to balance at 6 months and then major updates yearly is a good middle ground.
No updates. They need to start working on SF7. This game is basically perfect.
@@thejtrax Braindead take
@@z1u512 the mods need to stop making sexy outfits for characters. And put an emphasis on training players.
yearly updates is aids. ive never seen people advocating for a company to be lazy in my life. they need to update the game often to shake up the meta and give players a reason to keep playing once the meta is solved like it has in this game for the last 3-4 months
@@ELGUAPOIV 3-6 months patch is fine
Just give Lily invincibility on her ex dp. If you make it cost a wind stock ill take that compromise gladly.
I know Jamie isn't top-tier, and I belive it! But that dude lights my Marisa up every time.
yes jaimie is good against Marissa but bad against Zangief
Marissa has an annoying quick crossup combo that's hard for Jamie to react to seeing as have crap his DP is.
Jamie is a problem for Chun-Li as well
Hot take Jamie is a terrible design, he crushes anyone who hasn’t spent time leaving against him and once you figure him out, it’s really not hard fighting him
needing to learn a matchup isn't terrible character design
add necro and ill buy sf6
Kim main, just hit master. Honestly, minor patch at the 6 month mark to fix things that seem like mistakes (Gief's LVL 1 only landing during a full moon after you've defeated Rom) and the big patch after capcom cup. I'm really happy with the mechanics and characters. While stuff can be cheap, there are hard counters to it. Check Drive Rush like we've seen people do, be more scoop mindful for folks that like to parry. I assume my inputs are sloppy as hell, so i'm immune to the input reader issues. I don't know, I think they've done real good.
Gief and Marisa need serious changes to their anti-air Supers to make them more likely to actually catch somebody without having to cancel from a specific button.
Literally one of the most balanced competitive games on release, and still we can't just enjoy it 😂
drive rush is a bit ridiculous and needs to be tuned down imo.
Honestly the fact that we’re seeing the mid range of tiers shuffling around on a regular basis is a sign that they were on to something with the one year no patch. JP and Ken, and Gief & Lily (maybe AKI too) aren’t THAT far off from that big cluster of mid tiers
maybe not a balance change to make the game feel fresh but some more stuff in the game to bring back those players that just stopped playing over time due to other games coming out or just getting bored maybe some new game modes new and better cosmetics nothing is wrong with having more party game modes in SF its not like the pro players are forced to play it. Maybe host some avatar tournaments in game to a casual player a balance change dont mean much since they dont know what most of these changes even do unless its a huge balance patch or new system mechanic.
There will NEVER BE A BALANCED fighting games. Ppl need to stop caring about tiers, people don’t depend on character mastery anymore
I agree to a point. Fighting games will never be completely balanced, but that's not to say that horrible balancing is something that should be ignored either.
You'll never achieve a 5-5 split across a roster, and even if you did the game would probably end up being pretty dull. But the goal should be to try and narrow the margins to a reasonable degree.
The reality is that longevity of fighting games is dependent on how viable the entire roster is. You'll eventually get tired of playing one character after hundreds of hours. But if the gap between great and bad is massive, then you've essentially restricted the options players have; because very few people who plays top tier are going to suddenly stop and play bottom tier. Not that no one will or does, but the vast majority understand that while tiers are mostly subjective, there's a reason why you see the same sort of patterns and character selections hovering around the same areas. Say for an example a character doesn't have a dp, doesn't even have a true reversal, metered or otherwise, only has 1 safe button in pressure and only has 1 overhead; vs a character with a dp, with a metered reversal, multiple safe buttons in pressure and 3 overheads...it becomes pretty obvious which character is better; and why someone who would play the better character wouldn't switch to the worse one. So in cases where the gaps are massive between great and awful, balance patches aren't a bad thing.
I think the biggest issue is that people don't look at balance patches like what they're supposed to be. I feel like people want balance patches to be a huge mix up of characters, because they want to the game to feel fresh. They want the MOBA treatment where every so often characters that were great before get brought down and characters that struggled are now amazing. And they want that constantly ebb and flow of power consistently because they think that will keep the game fresh and exciting. I think that's the problem.
Killer instinct would like a word.....
The problem is that fighting games get overplayed and pro and semi casual players are already bored of the meta. These games are not designed to be played so much
Unless you are getting paid to play go touch grass or play something else. How many people are excited about their jobs after a 6 months? Everything gets stale.
The crazy thing is I enjoy watching mk1 matches way more than SF6.
Not counting Baraka/Cyrax cause that is definitely boring
As an SF neophyte, I appreciated having the extra time to try out the whole cast in its current state
*BUFF LILY*
*GOD DAMN*
In my opinion major balance patch about every half year would be ok and 1 or 2 little tweaks in between. For me 1 year is like they lazy bastards. There's obious things that needs balance like parry drive rush (as ppl call this game "Drive Rush Fighter 6"), need to be cost 2 bar from 1 bar. Also DJ's drive rush speed needs to be tweaked down a little. Also buff a little Lily, Zangief, Manon. Things like these. These are just examples. I mean why do we have to wait for 1 year to tweak DJ's drive rush teleport? That's just madness. Certain things need to be patched. Not everything, just a few things to keep the game "fresh" as they said in the video. Also 3 years w/o major patch is like pure insanity.
Bruh I literally just sat Gief down for playing Guile and I’m having fun! Now y’all want him nerfed 😩😩😩😩
For the love of God, can we bring this channel back to its former glory???
Scrubquotes, fill in the blank, quizzes, etc...
More than 2 homies just chopping it up.
I am starved
Infrequent patches are fine but I actually think the biggest problem with SF6 is the drive system turning this game into full anime. Cr mk xx drive rush + frames on block of full corner carry into guessing in the corner getting meaty DI'd is not fun.
Emergency patches for broken moves and bugs. Tweeks to systems to incentivise veriety. Adjusting tools instead of weakening whole characters. Balence is subjective but there is an objective goldilocks zone thats reachable. Extremes in either direction is what gets people to drop the game. They'll never please everyone they should just accept it.
Guile nerfs? lol, if anything he needs some buffs with combos at high level.
KEN and Jp nerfs definitely, but let's not start asking for nerfs for a zoner with no chip damage, no 60% combos and some dead last DI and DR 😉.
Just read the thumb nail did not watch yet 😛.
And why they need time to check it ? Because of cryers, that said at the beginning, nia noa drive impact is op... then nobody talk about it. Now ? Just check the characters in the capcom cup... more balance than every SF.... stop bullshit !
Game modes? Who cares about game modes competitively? I don't think "extreme battle" is something people even care too much about, we really need patches for JP and remove some stupid interaction on his setups for example, I don't mean "nerf this and that to the ground" but some tweaks are way more necessary than "game modes"
If you compare the numbers of people playing Ken in competition, and people playing zangief, what are the statistics about people qualified in capcom cup ?? I invite people to hink about it.
The most competitive game based on prize pool and difficulty (dota 2) has multiple balance patches per day based on real time analysis from top ranked matches around the world. Anytime anything is too strong it gets changed almost immediately. We need to stop giving in to this 1 balance patch a year shit. Its not competitive and the meta right now is honestly stale af. Nobody wabts to see jp vs jp or jp vs ken in literally every single finals
getting grabbed for trying to shimmy and bait a throw isnt fun. having a level 1 wakeup or level 3 not coming out during a freame trap where you have a read isnt fun. modern players able to do one button supers isnt fun when literal top players arent doing that on classic. this game is great and fun but man does it need some help. if i had every game back i lost due to just the input freezing from DR and just not coming out id be fucking 1900 mr in masters
Reduce super damage for all characters, tweak dr mechanic, fix input reading (i cant wake up dp for shit but can do a wake up CA😭)
JP is the main reason I stopped playing. I'm sorry for ever complaining about happy chaos
I appreciate all of this but jps counter is too much. I shouldn't have to guess on my opponents wake up for a third of my health. I know you can bait it but it's still too much. The fact it beats buttons and throws and it is ridiculous. There are characters that don't have invincible wake ups
Dropped this game cause after a few months the meta was already stagnant. These tech discoveries aren't shaking up anything enough. And the tiers haven't changed that much. And this stagnant meta is boring for us lower level players to play and watch
Please Capcom Jamie just needs minor tweaks and he'd feel complete. The thumbnail doesn't lie
the core mechanics are bad so theres not much you can do in terms of character specific changes. or do you really want zangief playing like ken? drive rush drive rush drive rush?
Dude, those costume announcement was months ago. I don't know what the fuck they re thinking keeping us waiting for a costume. They should literaly shit out costumes at this point considering the success of the game.
Believe me the move that's gonna keep the game alive is not the balance pathces but costumes and game modes.
They marketed the extreme mode for the game but there is not even a mission to complete playing that mode. That game mode is in the dark and people are starting to forget.
TH-camrs be like: "Almost the first year" it's been out since 5 months...
Yall talking about the game while kizzies entire bed is a living, breathing being? We really overlooking whats going on in the background?
About more modes:
COOP - TEAM - BATTLES - CAPCOM - CAMON!!!
Almost the first year? The game is only 5-6 months old? Came out in June 23?
this balance patch better be MASSIVE with the extra time they got to cook it (maybe not that big if people are liking the balance lol)
I thought capcom did these things on purpose to only make patches later on? To keep thr game "alive"
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i'm pro one major patch per season. HOWEVER, some small items should be adjusted. for example, Luke's lvl 3 has a STUPID hitbox that he doesn't need. XD
3 years without a major patch? Lol, the game would be completely dead by then