Revelation, Vintage & Epiphone Les Paul Shootout
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So. Which one did you prefer and why?
After listening back after the video I have to say that theres isn't much in it but I still prefer the Revelation.
It just seemed to be the most alive to me.
Thank you all so very much for watching. :)
Revelation Bridge Pickup - 6:17
Vintage Bridge Pickup - 7:21
Epiphone Bridge Pickup - 8:26
Revelation Neck Pickup - 9:31
Vintage Neck Pickup - 10:11
Epiphone Neck Pickup - 10:50 - เพลง
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Vintage all day long, classier mellow sound on both bridge and neck.
Im pleased you said that mate as im gettimg one on monday👍
How durable are frets? Arent them extremely soft?
Revelation, Epiphone, Vintage. Alan Entwhistle's pickups are superb.
Vintage on the bridge and Revelation on the neck for me.
Lovin the vids Dave 😎👍 Mojo's flying everywhere 🎸💪
Dave you are my favourite youtube channel, love your videos, and know you love making them too :) Cant wait for more videos from your Frusciante series. Sending my love to you brother !
Thank you very much indeed. That means a lot to me. : )
I agree with you at the moment Dave, the Revelation has so much fullness i guess, so much life, thanks for the video : )
Thank you very much. : )
I bought my Vintage LP back in 2013, was second hand but it’s the finest LP I’ve ever played. Been gigged to buggery over the years and does everything I need it to.
Not quite as good as the original 59’ I had the privilege of playing in Ibiza in 2017 though!
which would you choose? epiphone les paul standard 50s gold top OR vintage v100 afd slash?
Got to say the Vintage for me too..sounded more vintage (ahem) lol..has that classic rock tone nailed....then the Epi then the Revelation
I’m with you Dave. The Revalation has a slightly scooped tone without being thin . The other two were a tad darker. 👍
revelation. bite, clarity, powerful...with the looks of the vintage :)
I liked the creamyness of the neck PU on the revelation. They all sounded ace in any case! :)
All very good but the VINTAGE for me was a clear winner 🥇
Dave I agree with you. Revelation for me too. I am a bit biased in that I have a Tanglewood 335 copy with Entwistle HV58s which I have raved about for ever and prefer it to my Gibson (real) 335.The Revelation has more grunt than the other two yet retains good note definition.
I think your spot on with the vintage pups sounding dark....but I'll honest, I love that dark Mick Ronson tone that the Wilkinson pick up has🙂...... great review and comparison.
vintage bridge easily the best, detailed and musical
1st off, Mate, it really boils down to personal preference. They all sounded great and the amplifier surely puts the icing in the cake. Now furthermore, who doesn’t acquire any of those guitars and not make the upgrades that we are all familiar with? With that being said, without the upgrades they all sounded very good.
The revelation was a revelation by far the best to my ears
After reading reviews en actually trying out a few Les Pauls (Vintage, Epiphone) I went for the Vintage V100IT, and i love it. It replaced my 1974 Antoria Custom Les Paul (Super 70 pickups with a flipped neck pickup) which i gave back to my mate after 42 years. It made him happy. I should have kept it :-(
Vintage for me, I think a Les Paul must have a warm tone, clarity and bite and I think the Vintage comes the closest to what I like.
The Vintage.
Wow Im just Blown away!!! Very hard to choose which one sounds the best. These are some of the BEST Les Paul sounds Ive ever heard from Guitars other than Gibsons!!
Well first I would have to choose the Revelation simply because it has a very in your face tone. You cannot ignore or deny the Rev is in the room.
second would be the Epiphone, simply because that has the be the BEST sounding Epiphone les Paul Ive ever heard and I own two great ones. But the Vintage gets my soul going because you can still hear that Greeny sound it has. But the Rev has some fat unbelievable mojo going on with it! Thanks Dave this was a treat
Thank you very much. : )
I own the Vintage so I love the sound, but I would say the Revelation is articulate sounding:- Kossoff tones were spot on.
If they ALL cost the same, I'd DEFINITELY pick up the Revelation! It seems as if you played them perfectly in descending order (sound-quality wise). Revelation DEFINITELY sounded the best to my ears! Great video! Later...
Thank you very much. :)
Vintage 👍 I’d have lent you a les Paul for the comparison
Thanks for so often cheering me up. You are a ray of sunshine.
I have an Epi 339 and a Vintage AFD. The Epi is flawlessly made, slightly bette made than the Vintage.
I liked your Vintage sound best, but would probably buy the Epi and change the pickups.
Have you ever had a Tokai?
Id be happy with either of the 3... Prefer the vintage...
Vintage for me, mostly for the reason you gave. The darker sound also seeems fuller and has more depth and colour. It's marginal, though. My least favourite was the Epiphone, which I thought a bit tinny. I suspect that on a different day, though, my preferences might change.
I really enjoyed the More blue's sounds of the vintage..They really all sounded Les Paul ish but I thought the other two were slightly dirtier but they all sound great under your fingers
I always prefer the Les Paul YOU play over the one I play.
I am partial to the Revelation then Vintage and EPI
Thank you very much. : )
Revelation is a REVELATION! Wow...my largest gripe on most Gibson/Epiphone Les Paul guitars is the muddy/mid-rangy pickups that seem to come stock in them. We can excuse the Epiphone somewhat, because at that price point, you can still go out and buy a pair of really amazing after-market humbuckers and fix it. But with 3K Gibsons (referring to newer models with Burstbucker Pros), they shouldn't sound like there's a blanket on the amp. If Revelation sold a lefty Cherryburst, I would've bought one today based on your demo (just not into the lemondrop)! Great comparison as always Dave! Cheers!
Thank you very much. : )
Epiphone for me I liked the way the pickups sounded very ballsy and quite Gibson esk if u now what I mean, and pretty articulate, I've always been a fan of the epiphone LP standard pickups as I've owned a few and I've also owned the vintage v100 u demod, but the epiphone for me.
Hi Dave, I bought a Vintage lemon drop, but have changed the pickups. Got this really amazing guy who makes pickups called Alex at Alegree , replaced the wilkingsons with his designer pickups, custom made for me and called 'British Blues'. Gives the real vintage Les Paul sound, wonderful clarity and power without being fuzzy and dark. Played the guitar though a CR120 with your 'Peter Green' settings and to my ears they are the closest I have ever got. Had a real Gibson 'Les Paul' and a 335, but these pickups beat them all hands down. Wilkinsons are OK but they lack the definition of the ones I have replaced them with. Perhaps you should check him out, all you have to do is tell what sound you want and he does it in truck loads, even did a set of bass pickups for my wifes Vox Panther, she said she wanted lots of low end grunt, just what she wanted, now her go to bass in in second position.This guy is passionate about making his pickups sound how you want them to. Love your playing, When you said British Blues I was thrilled.
I feel silly chipping in all these years later, but will press on anyway.
I really feel like these were in descending order of loveliness and in a very certain descending order of volume.
I love the top end sparkle and bottom end warmth of the Revelation. For music production , you can get full-range speakers, this seems as close as you can get to full-range pickups!
Far easier to to filter out frequencies you don't want (using pedal , amp, or mixing desk) for a particular song than it is to add in something that isn't there. The Revelation has it all.
Thing is I've been a fan & advocate of Entwistle pickups for some years now & all this did was reaffirm my position on the whole thing.
Sound aside I prefer a slimmer neck So I can see I'd probably buy the Vintage (1003 because more shiny pickups is more good) and later replace the bridge & neck pickups with Entwistles and call it a dream come true.
Very nice recommendation Dave, i think the rtl horn looks better to!
Revelation has a brighter, clearer tone but the lemon drop has more of a tone I prefer personally.
Great comparison demo Dave. I ended up going to headphones to make my decision. I found the Revelation to be too bright for my liking and the Vintage, for some reason, sounded a bit woolly and muffled, the Epiphone for me gave the better all round sound both bridge and neck pickups so if I had to go and buy one of the three, it would be the Epiphone. 👍🏻
Thank you very much for watching. : )
I thought guitar a was the best, it had for me, the best balance between clarity and balls!
Great demo. In order Revelation for its sweet Od clarity and singing tones, EPI then the Vintage. All sounded great to me but I really liked the Rev. I do however love my 2 EPIs :-)
Thank you very much. : )
Vintage. I play mine more than my Gibson.
Revelation: growl and bite in the rhythm playing on the Hunter; sweet and aching in the solo playing. That’s from the playing mostly of course, but the pickups reveal what’s in the playing. Epiphone did a Joe Bonamassa tribute goldtop with Gibson Burstbuckers and that’s a different guitar from the Epi in the video. Great to hear your playing and the subtlety of your comments.
Thank you very much. :)
I like the bridge pup on the Revelation (I have a beautiful Alden 335 style with Entwistle buckers) but prefer the neck pup on the lemon drop! Nice demo,thanks Dave \m/
Thank you very much. : )
I thought they were pretty similar at a casual glance. Had to go through a couple of times and jump between them with the timestamps. I thought the revelation clinched it over the Vintage thought the Epiphone sounded decent.
I have a vintage japanese Les Paul I bought as a husk project guitar for $50 that I did my first refret on and liked it enough to put Seth Lovers in. Those were not wax potted either so I know what you mean. They sound more raw and raunchy when you dig in and kind of sing with a very human voice kind of way. When I play a les paul it's for that throaty sound that has a little harmonic grit on the edge of breakup without actually breaking up. It sounds sublime. They all had it, and I had trouble with the Vintage and Revelation because sometimes one might have sounded better than the other depending on which pickup you were using. It was really close for me.
I expect you get a much better impression in the room than youtube can offer with compression etc. Funny, I just came over from watching Andertons do a blindfolded 4 guitar Les Paul shootout. 7 les pauls in half an hour has done me in :)
great vid man, like them all but loved the nasal honkiness of the vintage, then epiphone, then revelation, to my taste that is, but still all lovely mind, 😉🙏
Thank you very much. : )
Well, I did buy an Epiphone LP and the Vintage Lemon Drop. Vintage is the clear winner in all categories as is it in your video. Most classic LP grunt while being very clear and distinguishable. The Revelation sounded too bright for me, it's an okay sound but not what I want in a Les Paul. Plus the Vintage is the most pretty one you got there ;)
I think the hv58's sounded slightly hotter than the other two but sounded awesome plenty of bite. The epiphone had a more warmer sound a little less driven more vintage sounding. The lemon drop i agree it was a bit dull and lifeless
Yeah man I agree with you . The revaluation was the most dynamic out of the three, the vintage sounded darker and slightly choked compared to the revaluation. The epihone sounds okay too ,but given the choice the revaluation had it...brings your playing to life .Cheers mate .
Thank you very much. : )
I love you playing les Paul’s it’s awesome
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Thank you so much!! Please add the Harley Benton and an Eastcoast and try to upgrade the guitars with the same pickups please :)
I liked the Revelation too.
I now own a Revelation RLP amber. I think Dave Simpson is the devil. Well, at least the devil rocks :)
So soundwise I personally prefer the Epiphone. It has a softer mellower tone and I like that. I also think the tone is more in the direction to Paul Kossoff and Peter Green. But If I had to buy one, the weight would be an important factor. I own a FGN Standard flattop with seymour duncans and it is very lightweight. But it is more expensive then one of the 3 Les Pauls in the video (but cheaper than a comparable Gibson).
Bit unfair on me choosing one of these as my go to is a 2016 GLP Standard (Ebony for what it’s worth). The tone is as you say Dave, “in my head” so its difficult to shake. Based on this I preferred the Epiphone then Revelation and finally the Vintage. I just liked the muddy sound of the EPI but tomorrow it could be different. No right or wrong here I guess.
Great job as usual.
Cheers Jimmy
Thank you very much. : )
Lemon Drop all day long. It handles the noise better, has that nasal quality I long for.
Just my opinions...
The one that sounded more Gibson, was the EPI; I like the Vintage's neck pickup more than the other 2, I liked the bridge on the Revelation the best and if I had to buy one..... Still not sure as they all have something to offer.
Keep watching waiting for a Peter Green cover
My 2014 cardinal red Les Paul standard isn't muddy at ALL, maybe the 57 hot classics pickups !?
The Epi did it for me - but I'm a Blues hound, and like the muddy sound.
I thought the vintage sounded the best, as you say its whichever one sounds like a les paul to your mind
I have a V100 Factory relic which im swapping for a strat this week haha.
OK my 123... Vintage, Revelation and Epiphone - the Revelation is cool, bright and loud- but the Vintage is more harmonic and musical- as usual Epiphone is muddy !
According to pickup builders I've talked to, you cannot unpot a pickup. You can get rid of the visual wax, but the coil wire is still going to be potted throughout. Same with the slugs and screws.
You can Melt melt it out in the oven, by funny don't heat it up too much cus the bobbins will melt and ruin the coils.
The Revelation was a 'Revelation' sounded amazing.
Great video as always Dave! I'd be interested to hear you play my Vintage Lemon Drop to see how it compares to yours. I haven't done anything to the pickups, they sound great to me 'as is', but I have changed the wiring loom and pots for a set made by 'Oddtones', which made a massive difference to the guitar. It now sounds way more open / harmonic and makes me think the electronics (excluding the pickups) are this guitar's biggest weakness. Sound-wise it destroys my 2010 Gibson Les Paul Studio, although I do really like the Gibson as it's lighter and has a better neck (the Gibbo has Burstbucker Pro pickups which are a bit hotter than the Wilkinsons).
Thank you very much for watching and IF i'm ever near where you are I'd love to give you lemon drop a go. : )
Fascinating video again - the difference is negligible for me between the Vintage and the Revelation. Epi does sound a bit muddier.
So if I was going to buy one of the three guitars in the video I'd go for the Vintage as I like the look of a faded sunburst rather than a cherry, and you can always dial back on the treble but it's hard to pull it out with an amp if you haven't got it. But all three are clearly quality guitars (played by a good guy).
As you say, there is something that makes you bond with the guitar, and the reality is if I walked into a shop with all three in and I tried them all, I might bond with the Epi over the other two - there are so many things to consider and that Epi cutaway still looks nicer to me and you can get Entwistle pickups for a great price too :)
Thank you very much for watching. : )
Bridge: Revelation, then Epi, then Vintage. Neck: equal, same-ish. [EDIT: i typed that before you specifically mentioned your preference for the Revelation bridge humbucker at 13:30. So, *we agree!* ]
They all sound good in their own right but I'd choose Revelation. It sounded great, especially on the bridge pu. Hard to put into words but it seemed to deliver the notes and pick attacks more lively. It also seems the loudest compared to other two. Perhaps it suited better to Paul Kossof thing. Great playing as usual. And thanks for the video.
Thank you very much. : )
I dont mind budget guitars aslong as the qualitys there and the frets arent cut too short etc. I have a damaged disk in my neck so i dont care if its lighter as it gives me less grief.
Revelation for the win
Have to agree on your choice revelation sounded clear higher frequency,Cheers
Thank you very much. : )
Revelation sounded clear and crisp, but...
If I think of preferred clean/crunch Les Paul sound, I think of the Allman Brothers Band.
And to me the Vintage - though dull - sounded closest to that, and is therefore my pick.
But you made them all sound good.
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The Revelation has the perfect LP sound to my ears, sounds really open and has a nice bass end
The second one has to be Epiphone, to my ears, there's a high mid range in it that really attracts me
I have to say that the Vintage is the 3rd one, it's awesome, but to my ears it sounds a bit dull and cleaner than the others, like, seems like a low output humbucker
But for looks, I'm sold on the Epiphone just because of the control pattern, I'm not crazy about the revelation one
Cheers Dave!
Thank you very much. : )
I preferred the vintage les paul 100% In my opinion the vintage sounds much more organic and I believe it would sound great for blues. The revelation is much more sparky and punchy whereas the epiphone sounds dead and fluffy.
If you didn't say revelation think I would have unsubbed and ripped my hair out(joking before someone starts beef) great playing as per usual I own a revelation rlp another les Paul my first guitar I love it!
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Epiphone is very very close to a Gibson very warm smooth sound the other two were a little bit brighter than the epiphone I couldn't tell the difference between the other two they sounded more slash to me the epiphone had the knopfler thing in my opinion but all were lovely
Muy bueno , traigan las guitarras a la Argentina
I recently bought a Revelation RLJ (Les Paul Junior).
It has an Entwhistle Alnico P90 and the sound is everything I could wish for.
With the tone on 10 it is a little bit more treble than an average P90 but the great thing is that as you turn it back it has a very usable degree of variation so that you can capture any sound you want.
It seems a much better idea than having a 'muddy' pick up that is a one-trick pony.
Basically, I think Alan Entwhistle is a genius and has made a guitar that if I had the skills, I would have built myself. I owned a real Gibson Les Paul Junior for a number of years and I have to admit that my Revelation is actually better. No....... I'm not kidding myself......
Revelation guitars have changed the playing field.
Funny that Trevor Wilkinson and Alan Entwhistle used to work together and now they both turn out amazingly good guitars. Vintage, and Revelation. For a measly five hundred quid you can have one of each and take them on gigs without worrying about some clown bumping into you and snapping the neck off your ridiculously priced £5,000 Gibson.......
Just saying......
At this point I really don't care which is which I'm just listening to this to hear you play. You have that slash playing stall when you want to.
I prefer the overall sound of the Epiphone, it has a rich slightly scooped tone, the Rev was nice too
The Revelation for me. Opening with the intro to The Hunter settled it for me even before I heard the other 2 guitars. I was wondering if possibly the wiring was different from the other 2. Worth a quick look at least.
The wiring doesn't look any different to me but I find the les pauls wiring to be confusing. Mainly because I'm a idiot. Haha.
Thank you for watching. :)
Rev, Epi, Vintage
For me Vintage is the best. The cleanest sound, pretty tone....and idk vintage is the best for me
The Epiphone has an extra dimension, and a richer sweeter sound to me. Both bridge and neck.
When I think of a Les Paul tone I think of Slash, so to me the chug and deep growl of the Vintage was probably the best for me. Never really been into that British blues stuff, even obviously they’ve influenced many of the musicians I listen to now. Just a Les Paul to me is about getting that Welcome to the Jungle tone which the Vintage I think would do it best
which would you choose? epiphone les paul standard 50s gold top OR vintage v100 afd slash?
@@rmcf3972 Probably out of those two the Vintage Les Paul buddy, if you can pick up a second hand Epi Les Paul Custom Pro, they sound absolutely spot on for a GnR tone!
@@seasofneptunejimmy9262 wow thanks for replying i want to learn playing guns n roses song so thinking which is better.
I do the same thing with pickups. I get a heat gun and melt the wax out of them. I think they sound much better. I dont have the problems with them since I don’t gig and I’m not sweating or playing at super loud volumes
Slov
Your the cleverest of all Dave :)
Not sure about that but thank you. :)
I agree the Vintage was a little darker. The Revelation sounded really like Koss. The Epiphone sounded louder and stronger.
I liked the vintage, seems like a more refined tone. Revelation is dirtier sounding, I can see why you like it.
Revelation was my favorite. It sounded more like the guitar it was copied for to my ears. Why? Honestly I don’t know how to describe it. I will try. Rich, more depth to the sound. Hotter? More responsive? More girth? Many things effect the tone. The actual value of the pots (500k pots are not necessarily 500k. They vary by 20% here in the U.S.A.) An assortment of pots or matched pots should be tried with the pickups you want. The caps you use affect the tone as well. It is a rabbit hole I wish I would have never gone down! Things like wiring it in modern or 50’s style wiring affect it as well. BTW I chose the Revelation before I heard you state you liked it best. I also liked them in the respective order. The first on was the best, the last one the least. Great taste btw
Thank you very much. : )
Great review Dave, for me, it’s the bridge of the Revelation, but the neck pick up on the Vintage was sooooo Kossoff. Which guitar had the best ‘feel’ and playability?
Thank you very much for watching. : )
Tip to anyone listening - put on a decent set of headphones and it all sounds much better ! Don't know what's wrong with speakers these days. To me the Vintage sounds darker and warmer (which suits my blues preference) but in truth Dave makes them all sound great. I would go which ever is best made and feels best in hand as the sound is all very similar. Why ? Because I would upgrade the pickups anyway :-).
a guitar is missing in this comparison a Cort cr250...any way good video good info nice collection of lp style guitars
Thank you very much. :)
Vintage has something nice in the sound, others not so much. Epiphone would be my second choice, probably because I'm playing on Epiphone SG all the time. Revelation seemed a bit too harsh.
Late to the party, as ever. It’s obvious by the way that you play it that you prefer the Revalation. You make them all sound great anyway. It’s nice to see someone find a plank that they can express THEMSELVES with. 🙏🏻🖖🏼
They all sound great with you playing. The Epi sounds warmer toned. The revilation is a bright sound. I'm leaning towards the epi
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I agree the revalation bridge pickup was excellent, but I prefered the epiphone neck pickup. All of them were pretty good though. Is there much difference in their playability?
I really don't know what I take, but vintage has a different voice then Epiphone and revelation. Revelation and Epiphone on the bridge have almost the same sound, Epiphone has more bassy sound. But on Neck a little bit different, Revelation has a brighter sound then Epiphone or Vintage. Then I'll buy what more comfortable.
epiphone all the way!
Out of curiosity is the bridge position from the bridge pickup same on all 3 guitars? As i've noticed one of mine has a straight bridge with slightly more distance from the pickup and the other two are slanted with the high E closer.
Worth noteing though as if i used the same pickup in either they would still sound different cos its picking up the string vibration in a slighty different place. With more space between the pickup and bridge the more mellow the pickup would sound through the range. The closer it is the more tighter the sound.
First was too bright, but 2nd and 3rd were closer to my taste. Vintage was darker for sure. I'd say epiphone just stole it. I think the vintage one must have hotter pickups, sounded slightly louder to my ear. Epiphone was for sure quieter. But the first was too bright for me
Im not a fan of those Waxed humbuckers , used to have an Epiphone Black Beauty and i dewaxed the pickups as they just sound brighter without that stuff on them.
Vintage !
1st time I've ever heard a Revelation, and it is a REVELATION !
Oh my gosh, it's the clear winner, more bite, clarity, sustain, and most importantly that Kossoffy "thing".
Maybe time to sell my Vintage.........................oops !