Vintage BOSS Chorus Comparison - CE 1 vs CE 2 vs CE 3
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I have a 1983 CE-3 and it’s been my modulation of choice ever, I use it a lot when I’m recording clean guitar parts and when I’m playing live! I love it so much because it’s stereo! I can use my 2 amp rig without splitting the signal by doing other methods. :D
The spectrum analyzer in the background tells a great story! Thanks for making this Leon!
You are such a solid player, well rounded.
Much appreciated!
Hi..Ive always liked the ce-3 the best ..I had a new one when they came out ..I tried a 2 and a 3..at same time..liked the 3 better..great videos..wish I was young again..that ceriotone amp head was awesome..Thanks again.....DH
Hey Leon, Thanks for a terrific channel and, particularly, this video! As I'm currently looking for an older analog Boss Chorus pedal to reproduce the Johnny Marr early Smiths tone, this episode allowed me to confidently discern the key differences between the CE-2 and CE-3. I was initially leaning toward the CE-3 (as they are cheaper and more readily available), but your demonstration clearly indicated that the CE-2 is what I'm after (at least for this specific application). Your video has really helped to focus my search. :)
Thank you for such a professional, thoughtful and thoroughly enjoyable channel, and for the hard work that no doubt is required to produce such high quality content. Terrific stuff. :)
That means a lot to hear. The ce2 really is a special pedal
omg, the CE1 is absolute Magic
the 24V DMMs are the same way. Cant beat that H E A D R O O M
@@lordmanshaft1112 it has a built in preamp (far lefthand knob) and its a triangle wave shape vs sine wave shape of CE2 and CE3
They all sounded awesome. I liked the ce2 and 3 the most for different reasons. Makes me want to dig out some of the old chorus pedals I have to recheck them out.
What do you have?
@@LeonTodd I could've sworn I had a few others than just this. Perhaps they're in a box somewhere. In front of me is an 80s digitech digital stereo chorus/flanged pds1700, and a digitech x-series multichorus. I'm pretty sure I have 2 different Ibanez chorus and a DOD too somewhere...just cant find it now.
the search begins
so nice touch & phrase!
I emulate straight away...
The first chorus I ever bought (which I still have) was an Ibanez SC10. I remember comparing it at the time to the Boss CE2 and just found I liked it better (I don't believe Boss had their Super Chorus then). One thing about the Ibanez pedal was it took a little of the bottom end away and brightened the signal a little (which was great as I had a darker amp at the time). But that old Boss CE1 sounds pretty good and wouldn't sound out of place at all playing half of "Men At Works" first two albums!
Loving your channel, Leon. My CE-3 just arrived today. Thankyou for so much insightful content. One of the best 👍🏻
I love the Chorus effect. I utilise it for my solos and clean parts most of the time.. Sometimes i will do a zakk wylde thing and just leave it on. I preferred the ce3
Bruhhhh I love Told You So, one of the songs I really dig from the latest album. Nice.
Cool video. I have a CE-3 and don't need other chorus.
Love that CE-1. I'm a huge fan of the band, and it's clear the guitar tone on a lot of songs depended heavily on that. (Think the opening riff of "It Makes no Difference")
Robbie (RIP) most likely used a Leslie on "It Makes No Difference", the Boss CE1 didn't come out until a year after it was recorded.
Finally the 3 chorus pedals I’ve been waiting for a comparison of. My favorite sounding chorus was the original CE -1, then 2ndly the CE-2, and lastly the CE-3. The original is the most authentic and musical to me.
Good stuff! I still like my SCH-1 a little bit more as far as pedals go.
I'd love to get one of those one day
All these 3 are perfect!
thanks for making me feel sorry for giving my CE-2 to a good friend who was starting to play guitar.
That one still does it for me.
Glad it's in the Axe FX II though
One of my favourite models in the Axe :)
Holy crap.....I did the same exact thing with my CE-2! I manage with a Danelectro Cool Cat now
I thought the CE-3 was way too bright, the CE-1 sounded good, but is way too big and unavailable. The CE-2 is just right, and sounds wonderfully lush. I'm glad I have a MIJ CE-2 for when I'm in an 80's kind of mood. Thanks
6:20 almost instantly recognisable as the CE-2 sound! It just hasn't been beaten in my opinion.
Agree, maybe a TC 1210 but that's no pedal.
Too overrated and subtle, I barely can hear the chorus effect going on compared to others.
Good ear with the sound @6:20. That is the CE-2 sound for sure.
Hemispheres
Awesome Video Thank you!
Is the CE-3 a Green or Black label? I've seen videos showing that, although both are MIJ, the Black Label has an older Mitsubishi chip set and is not as bright/harsh sounding. Would love to see you test these two CE-3 options if you get the chance
Che belissime timbre Grazie ragazzo
CE-3 is a great pedal and pretty cheap for what it offers.
Stereo outputs is a must in chorus pedals.
I find the CE-3 sounds best with some reverb added. Also if my memory serves me the dry - wet signal on the B output sounds bass shy at narrow depths and low modulation rates. I wonder if the CE-2 and CE-3 use the same bucket brigade analog delay chip (I think it might be made by Reticon). I really like the chorus tones Men At Work got back in the eighties (don’t know what they used). Also cool sounding is the wide stereo chorus at the beginning of Happy House by Siouxsie and the Banshees. AFAIK the Roland Jazz Chorus amps use very similar circuitry to the Boss pedals - one speaker is dry while the other is wet. King Crimson made good use of those amps on Discipline and Beat.
Discipline and Beat are some of my favourite clean albums ever. I think the JC uses a similar circuit as you mentioned.
Ce1 is basically the same design, bbd and driver as jc120 form 1979 schematic (MN3002 512 bbd with discrete driver). Ce2's bbd and driver (MN3007 1024 stage bbd with MN3101) same as those in JC120 1982, 84, 2k schematic. and for Ce3, is basically a Ce2 with MN3207 bbd and MN3102 driver
CE3 wins because you can find it for $50 used.
I modded mine and it became a great chorus.
Cool, what mod did you for the CE3?, I've had a CE3 in the 80s and bought one back again 6 months ago.
For 50$? Are you srs?
The chorus ensemble is sounds really lush.
Excelent video. It made me realize the difference between this 3 pedals. Being an 80s chorus freak I prefer the CE-2. What's that arpeggio you play around 3:23, I swear heard it somewhere. Is it Lynch Mob, it really enhances the pedals sound. I like your sincere approach and playing.
Wait, I know, its Black Light Syndrome, right?
It's just me noodling around with the "Rush Chord" aka F#7add11 - play an F# major barre chord at the second fret but lift the barre so the high e and b ring out. Magic
Closer to the heart
Hey Leon, what's the pickup / brand again?
Boss CE-3 made in Japan? Oh!!! Amazing pedal!!!!! Hidden gem!!!!!
Amazing how the ce-2 and ce-1 can both sound iconic and yet different somehow.
Does the boss ce3 have a volume drop?
Which amp you are using in the axe?
why not test them in stereo (except ce 2). I have a CE1 and it really shine in stereo
Can i take ur advice.whats your opinion on waza models?
From a quick google search it seems only the build quality is better?
Is that all the difference?
Thanks
Build quality and there's a few extra "modern" features, plus they work with generic power supplies
what about the super chorus ?
The CE-1 sounds best followed by the CE-2 in this vid but I owned the CE-2, 3 & 5 at the same time & sold the CE-2. For drive tones the CE-5 is great while for cleans I love the metallic sheen of the CE-3, I didn't like the mid hump of the CE-2.
I wonder if the Boss / Roland chorus circuitry is the same or similar as installed on the Roland Juno synths?
Pretty sure of they're not identical there's significant overlap in the circuit
@@LeonTodd Thank you, Leon, there is just 2 presets, 3 if you push the 2 buttons, no 2 VR's as on the pedal, just thought the circuitry was the same. cheers.
Of course you want to compare them so you remain mono. But let's face it. The big big benefit of the CE1 (the Chorus circuit of the original Roland JC-120 Amp.) is its stereo feature. The slight delay and hence de-pitch of the split Wet sound associated by the stereo to the straight Dry sound, is creating the "dimensional" aspect of this chorus; i.e. a sort of surround effect. This is why, after the CE-2, Boss organized the return to stereo as on your CE-3 and now the famous CE-2W (waza craft reedition with both CE-2 and CE-1 circuits in it.
I’ve owned almost every Boss chorus, still own the CH-1 (analog), CE-2 (x2), CE-3, CE-2B, CE-200 and Boss CE-300 rack. Also Boss GT-3, SE-70 etc. Etc.
I sold my CE-1 because I never used it, does it sound great yes, does it look cool yes, does it sound better than the others, no.
The overloading of the pre amp was why it never lived on my board, I only wish I kept it because of its collectibility, not its performance. The CE-300 Super Chorus might be the best of the bunch, but it’s subjective.
what about the super chorus?
The CE-3 is my favourite chorus pedal of all, and I have a *lot* of chorus pedals. In stereo (+/- mode) it sounds sparkly and glorious. In comparison, although I do like it a lot, I find the CE-2 to be just a bit too syrupy. If it’s the only guitar in the mix, that’s perfect ,but otherwise….. And the lack of stereo outputs is a real bummer.
I built a couple of CE-2 clones with stereo outputs for some guitarists I know and I think they sounded more “alive”, if that makes sense. I also added a couple of switches: one that selects between two speed ranges (as I don’t think the CE-2 goes fast enough) and one that raises the modulation intensity for those times when you fancy feeling seasick.
Apart from the BBD chipset, there’s very little difference between the CE-2 and CE-3 and I’m not convinced that the chipset makes any difference. Going from memory, it’s mainly a few capacitor value changes, with the CE-2 having larger values, so more low-end. I keep meaning to get hold of another CE-3 to experiment on, if just to confirm or disprove my theory.
I always preferred the CE-2, from what I've been told it's the same circuit that was used on the Roland Juno/JX-3P synths. It's so powerful that the one oscillator Juno 6/60/106 sounded thick enough to compete with other analog polysynths which had 2 or 3 oscillators per voice at the time.
That would make sense - those synths are FAT
I didn’t expect to be so surprised at the difference between the CE-3 and CE-2 (Call it mojo-fatigue syndrome) but holy smokes! The CE-2 (and CE-1) sound killer!!!!!!!
Far out "mojo-fatigue syndrome" is my favourite new phrase
I can hear Alex Lifeson now: "Oh! A video about Chorus! Why is everyone looking at ME? STOP USING MY CHORDS!"
"The royalty check is in the mail Mr Lifeson"
Boss Ce-3 is awesome. You can do a sounding like vibrato in Mode II. But Ce-1 and Ce-2 has more history.
Marshall SV-1 Supervibe Chorus. Underrated pedal!
That while series is underrated IMO.
I’m digging the CE-2 🤟😎 something to say about its simplicity. It does one thing very GOOD!
They all sound very good to me.
Only improvement would be a mix control, sometimes it's just too wet if you want to keep it always on YMMV. In my Helix i can set the mix ratio on the 70's chorus CE-1 clone ;-)
the Boss CE2 is the top in my opinion I wish I had one of these
Build one, there are various kits or pcb's.
yes they are varied tones
The sweet cream from a C1. They did not succeed to follow up that one. Owned a unit back in the 80s.
Hi mate, Brilliant Show, I did like the CE1 really sweet sound, I have a CE2 made in Taiwan though, sounds like yours?
I love the Chorus, excellent demo, thank you..
Martin McQueen, I agree, they do sound the same, I wonder if the Chip's are the same?
Martin McQueen, Hi mate, Ah the coveted Panasonic Chips, they made the Tube Screamer Chip as well didn't they?
I do have a Voodoo Labs Analogue Chorus with the CE1 Chip, unfortunately it has a 10db boost when engaged, they were excellent when I contacted them and were aware, I just don't want to send it back to the US for repair. Love Chorus!!!
Take care.
They all sound great, chuck schuldiner used the ce3 on alot of his lead sounds, the ce2 and ce1 remind me of the smiths alot.
that's cool to know, might have to crank some Death today because of that :D
I dig their album individual thought patterns cause it has andy laroque on there and gene hoglan on drums.
That's my favourite too, absolute all star lineup. Andy is so underrated.
Is that riff from I told you so by paramore?
Well spotted! Absolutely love that entire album.
Boss makes the best chorus and delay pedals, analog or not imo
I'm trying to decide between a CE-2W and a CE-3. Any suggestions?
CE-2W is great, has less noise AND has a great CE-1 mode
@@LeonTodd I just bought both the CE-2w and the CE-3.
The CE-1 is very nice.
Chorus rules if you're 80's child! :)
Ville-Matti Vienola, You said it, that sweet Chorus sound, 80's child for sure!
I am. I put my CE-3 Chorus in my coffee every morning. Sometimes I dress like Andy Summers and play with my Chorus in front of the mirror. I just can't help being a little taller than him.
Hey everyone look at me, I was born in the 80s therefore I'm better than you
@@rafaelzengo5534 Haha Andy Summers, good one, and a good choice of guitarist.
For mono the CE2 sounds the best as it was made for that.
They all sound great. I wanted a CE2 but it’s over priced. I found a CE3 for $50 and never looked back.
Such a great pedal for the money!
Check out the MIT CE-2 as well. They are the same chip set as the way more expensive (and it’s B.S.) MIJ black label.
You can get them for way less-and they are the same pedal with the 3007 chip. CE-3 also sounds good here. Collectors that claim they don’t sound good are talking out there necks. Pedals will also vary slightly from each one, but a good sounding CE-2 or 3 is probably the most musical guitar friendly chorus ever. The Roland sound is undeniable
....Also if you get a CE 2 try powering with a Strymon Zuma or equivalent at 12v. Those Panasonic chips run better at 12v which also makes a difference. I have an 88 MIT running at 12 and it’s killer. The CE-1 was really made for keyboards, and is way more muddy with less mids. It can get real “phaser” like in its warble. It’s kind of a different beast all together. I have the UAD plug CE1 and I prefer my CE2 into my Strymon Iridium for that lush sweet sound. Cheers.
For every Chorus pedal demo, Steven Wilson loses his enjoyment of life. [And I *cream* my pants].
I just love chorus and I love your demos. Thanks for the explanations at the beginning
Hahaha I always think of SW hating chorus whenever I play one. It's such a gorgeous effect.
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3 Great Chorus pedals. Nice comparison. Here are 4 others worth checking out. F.T.T. Tri-Avatar (on my pedalboard), Analogman Bi-Chorus, Jam Pedals Waterfall & Tortuga Martini = all Phenomenal. I also have a Boss DC-2W on my acoustic pedalboard.
I've noticed with boss their chorus and delay pedals all have something special going for them...the ce-2 is lush as fuck, the ce-3 has an almost flanged chorus tone and the ce-1....well it's a fucking legend. Thanks for making this video, I love that you stuck with the same riffs for each pedal. It really is the only way to show them off.
BOSS = sick. Their stuff just works.
Sounded like a paramour song in the begining
Ce2 for me!
4:10 Paramore😍😍
I just bought the ce-2w, best of all 3 worlds
....except the CE-2W is not true stereo, the CE-3 is. The CE-2W is wet dry output.
Definitely the ce-2
Rush rules!
The CE-3 and CE-2 are harsh sounding compared to the CE-1. CE-1 is smooth and perfect sounding.
omg 6:20...
Paramore! Haha nice
Well spotted, I love that last album
CE-3 was very Jane's Addiction like
Hah, even if that CE-1 didnt make a sound, Id want it for its well used look!
video starts at 3:06
What is the song?
CE-1 is perfect
The CE-2 just sounds better
CE-2 is the best to my ears.
🇨🇦😎👍
Less knobs for me. CE-2.
The CE-3 sounds nasty on my side of TH-cam.
CE-1 sounds much better to me, smoother and less harsh (at least on my laptop speakers)
When testing chorus please deactivate all other FX like reverb!"!!!!
(IMHO) Had the CE-3. It’s not bad, but too sterile. CE-2 is better. Anything that the CE-3 does, the Arion SCH-1 has in spaces over it,
In before "First!"
"Zerost"
Ensemble crashed both, but CE-2 is very good too
that chorus ensemble is a real problem..
Yes, my "attitude" is that you are testing analogue vintage pedals... through a digital amp... to find out what?
Does not matter much Blue Titan. We are all listening in digital......
Not so, last I checked, speakers are analog devices.
Paramore
YES
Boss CE-3 the most underrated chorus. Boss CE-1 - the most overrated chorus (still great tone, but this price...)
Collector's price
CE1 no comparison
CE-3 is better than CE-2 *ducks*
Thing is... CE-2 is both overrated and overpriced and it's mono. CE-1 is great classic, but it's even more expensive that CE-2, takes a lot of space and was designed for keyboards and needs pot changing to shine on guitar.
And... CE-3 is cheap, I got mine for 20$ (black label), its true stereo and it kicks ass!
CE-1 sounds the best but the CE-3 is hard to beat for the price
obviously ce 1 sounds galaxies far away better than 2 & 3
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