From one totally-not-bitter AW fan still carrying the torch to another: this is exquisite. You chose the wrong character (#sami4smash) and then proceeded to turn them into the RIGHT character, with a moveset I would die to play, while still not forgetting the Orange Crew or AW's adorable ridiculousness in the bargain. Skill all around. Thank you. I was in the happiest tears by the end of this.
Sorry if the sound quality in this is inconsistent. I'm still not great at audio, and I don't think the youtube algorithm likes old timey silent films, so this is the best I can do for now. Hope it's not too distracting.
@Stal / ᓭד ̣ ᔑꖎ minecraft is such a massive game you can't add everything in a smash moveset A good moveset can't have every item on a game because it will make everything cluttered and messy
I really like the idea of another strategist character that represents modern military settings, and I think you did pretty well in emphasizing that Andy is at his best when he's using his troops, something that might have been lost with his fighting-fitter friends. Also, the mini-vehicles make me think of Advance Wars as a series of wargaming sessions between a group of friends, which is kind of cute.
I came expecting a simple moveset video but was pleasantly surprised with your sense of humor and editing skills. I love your take on the 'units' aspect of Andy's moveset a lot, hope the devs takes notes from it if they ever consider including an AW fighter.
If an Advance Wars Character were to get into Smash here’s how I’d imagine they would function. We could have Andy, Max and Sami in Smash either as a Trio or in their own slots, able use weapons like Snake, ride Tanks, APC, Battle Copters, summoning Infantry and Tanks ala the Assist Trophy like Duck Hunt does with Wild Gunmen. They would would have a Gold Mechanic like Hero’s MP meter where if you land hits on an opponent you gain gold, and then you can pull up a list of units to summon into Battle, perfectly representing Advance Wars resource management gameplay aspect. There’s so much you can do with an AW character in Smash.
I love the creativity on andy's moveset (I don't personally want to play him, but fighting a andy main who's not cheap and actually decent would make a engaging fight lol)
Oh hey, I guess there's exactly two people who have given actual thought behind Andy in Smash. I find it interesting how both of us went through largely the same decision process when picking Andy and came to the same conclusion about what his mechanical aesthetics would be, but got to the exact opposite conclusion on how to achieve it. When I was theory crafting Andy I leaned in a little more on the summoner aspect than Rosalina 2: Modern Warfare. A good chunk of his moveset could summon units, and they would act largely autonomously, but to make up for him being able to shit out helpers like his life (quite literally) depended on it they would be capped at a 5 unit limit and have 10% health each. So he could easily dominate the stage, but anyone who can keep a cool head beyond his barrage of units would be able to bust through with some careful spacing and taking advantage of weak points in his formation. And there would be weak points, as each unit would only really be able to do one thing, so the Andy player had to decide what areas he needs to cover and how many resources to dedicate towards any aspect of his strategy. "Should I throw out more air units, weakening my ground game? Do I have enough units to protect my artillery? Is it worth placing down a sub as a trap and try to corral my opponent into it?" These are the questions I want the player to be asking while playing Andy. Now granted, I think your version does a better job at being, well, Andy specifically. I sorta used Andy as an engine to represent Wars while I feel like you did a much better job capturing his character (especially with how panicky the kid comes off sometimes). And 2-3 powerful units to manage is more reasonable and realistic to program than "mix and match 5 out of 8." But I wanted to capture the feeling of playing an Advance War match for both Andy and his opponent. Even if it leaves him an even more crippling weakness to Hero casting Bounce than yours does just on account of how many projectiles mine would have flying around. Link for further details: www.deviantart.com/dyxo/art/Andy-Advance-Wars-Smash-Bros-moveset-concept-806765608
I really like this take on the character. Having a whole army of weak units out at once is unlike anything we've ever seen in Smash. (Brawl Olimar had 6 Pikmin, but they're nowhere near as versatile as what you're pitching). I can just imagine combo videos where every soldier on the field gets a hit in. I also think it's pretty funny that the back throw you pitched basically ended up happening with Steve minecart command grab.
@@maxhamm5942Yeah, I can imagine combo videos (especially TAS stuff) would probably look a lot like S rank Advance War missions. Just units flying around everywhere in galaxy brain formations. Or, at least the formations I wish my units had going on in my own runs of Wars maps before something gets blown up by an enemy unit I wasn't paying attention to. I totally forgot I had put that down as the BThrow, not gonna lie. Glad its in smash in some way.
Holy crap that was good. The script was engaging and the moveset must have taken forever to animate. This is a great follow up to the Waluigi video. Keep up the good work.
Holy wow I love this so much! One of the most interesting smash bros character concepts I've seen yet. Always was curious how Advance Wars characters could function in Smash ever since Project M died and had the alpha state of Sami leaked, and this concept blew all of my expectations out of the water! Looking forward to your future videos!
I loved this series as a kid. Also I've been really getting into playing Pom in Thems Fighting Herds (Arizona would be an interesting smash grappler) And Pom has a similar puppet slash summon mechanic so this concept really excites me. Itd be fun to pull odf stuff to make you feel really smart for all your set up and planning which is the fun of playing a setup zoner/puppet character AND a strategy game so you captut the feel of atinf Advance Wars in smash really well. Also once i finish mechanicus ill pick up wargroove as my strategy game to play, it looks good!
Thanks so much. I just found your Hollow Knight moveset video on the smash subreddit. Gorgeous stuff. If anyone else is reading this, check out Aran's channel, his Hollow Knight moveset completely raises the bar for this kind of content.
max: cartoonized armor unit PltCmdr andy: cartoonized motortrans unit PltCmdr sami: cartoonized infantry pc nell: a combat veteran infantry officer on a b-billet to promote to colonel
"Colonel, there is a child with an oversized wrench..." "That's Andy, Snake. He might not look like it, but he is a war hero from the land known as Wars World." "Wars World...?" "It's a different world with nations that in a certain way mirrors the ones existing in our current world, Andy is from the nation called Orange Star, which would be their version of the United States." "Still, I don't feel comfortable fighting a child, colonel..." "Don't underestimate him Snake. He possesses unparalleled mechanical skills, capable of fixing almost any vehicle or even patching up his wounded men. He can even temporarily upgrade his units to gain an advantage over his enemy." "I see, something I else I should know?" "He doesn't know what an airport is."
Ah, you made me laugh by reminding me of me. Great video all around, bud, though the Infantry man sounds like a lot of gimmick and jank that would probably be needed to be better grounded in Smash's more casual aspects, like Spirit battles, extra gamemodes, etc. So maybe it could be like a separate battle mode, an extra type of competitive Smash mode. And I might try Wargroove now.
Ayy I'm so happy to see you uploading again :D I enjoy seeing your ideas so much, and I'm excited to see you're following the idea of maybe talking about more unorthodox choices. It makes me even more excited to see what you plan to do in the future!! I hope you have a great day man, and top notch quality as always
I have never played advance wars before so I didn’t think I would like the video, man was a wrong. I love the idea behind the character and his play style.
Just discovered this video. I think Sami would be the best choice for a lot of factors, but I could totally see Nell being the most Sakurai pick of the bunch. She can even fight with little sprites of the soldiers and that is absolutely something Sakurai would do as her main gimmick. But I'm surprised you didn't mention the Battalion Wars games though, because they were an attempt to do something different with the series, especially for the West, and the MC Brigadier Betty would actually be pretty fun. She has a personality and look that would be pretty unique for Smash, as well as a built-in alt. I could picture her using lots of different military gadgets for her attacks.
Man, if Nell was chosen the internet's reaction would be so confused. She'd be Wii Fit Trainer/Piranha Plant levels of having nobody see her coming, only she wouldn't be a joke character. You're right though. She's definitely a great option for representing Advance Wars itself. I actually cut a paragraph talking about Battalion Wars because the script was already way way too long. I also haven't played any of the Battalion Wars games, so I didn't quite feel comfortable talking about them, especially considering how different the series seems to be from Advance Wars in terms of both story and gameplay. It is pretty amazing that Advance Wars was once big enough to have its own spin-off series.
@@maxhamm5942 yeah, I was a bit older and out of touch at that point when the battalion games came out. But your video did honestly get me thinking about how exciting the 2000s were for Nintendo. The Wii was slaying, the GameCube was their last home console that had the same power as the competitor, and they just kept pumping out new IP, revived IP and weird experiments with their popular IP.. Plus the DS revolutionized stuff on top of that. I think the poor return on sales for a lot of their games from that time and then the Wii U falling on its face pretty much made them play it super safe from that point forward. Nintendo in the 2000s was the last time they took a big risk with a lot of their software. You can easily write a dissertation on it. We got a major F-Zero game that received a ton of media attention, the Metroid prime trilogy, lots of Japanese only franchises getting localized for the English market, Wind Waker, Wario Ware, lots of weird Mario spin-off games, lots of weird peripherals...
The reason why I should never make Smash movesets is because my moveset would be more literal As in, for his Up Air, Andy would take out an actual helicopter from his pocket and attack with it, gaining some vertical movement as well.
Wraith smash moveset idea (apex legends) Entrance:Dropping from a ship using a jetpack. Jab:A punch to double slash combo (referencing the standard meelee attack as well and one the attack animations when using the kunai heirloom). F-tilt:A stab from the kunai, slightly moves forward wraith (referencing other of the attack animations from the kunai heirloom). U-tilt:A powerful uppercut,has very low horizontal range but above average vertical range, so it's better to hit foes right in front of you(a good shieldbreak punish tool) or over you (a reference to the standard meelee attack when crouching). D-tilt: A straight slash from the kunai forwards while crouching. N-air: Wraith creates an energy sphere around her, working similar to mewtwo's or Pikachu's n-air (this is a reference to the void energy wraith is very frequently associated with and the energy spheres that appear for a bit when hitting an enemy with the kunai heirloom). F-air: A strong air kick forwards, it has some startup lag but it's strong, something in the lines of captain falcon's f-air (this is a reference to the meelee attack in apex legends when using a meelee attack in the air after jumping). B-air: a simple backwards stab from the kunai, it has low range and power but comes out faster than other aerials. U-air:A simple upwards slash from the kunai, doesn't come out as fast as the back air but it's moderately good at juggling opponents. D-air:A downwards punch at a slight forward angle, it works similar to Ryu and Ken's D-air but unlike those, this one can't spike/meteor smash F-smash: Wraith does a strong kick forwards, and like the F-air, it is strong, has medium range, and a bit of startup lag (this is a reference to the animation in apex legends when you use a meelee attack to break doors in the game) U-smash: Wraith performs a strong, upward slash with the kunai, it's kind of weak but it's her fastest smash attack (works similarly to Joker's up smash) D-smash: Wraith creates an energy sphere in front of her in the ground (this attack works similarly to Lucas's down smash but stronger and with a little bit of end lag) Grab and pummel: Wraith would grab by grabbing by the enemy's shoulder and pummel slashing with her kunai F-throw: Wraith simply punches the foe sending it forwards B-throw:Wraith punches the foe three times to rack up damage,and then grabs them by their arms and chucks them backwards(This is a reference to the "into the light" finisher in apex legends) U-throw:at first looks like it's the same as the f-throw but then a portal appears behind the foe that they are launched into and right after that a portal appears over wraith that launches the foe upwards. D-throw: wraith teleports behind the foe, simply stabs them on the waist and lays them down (this a reference to a similar move that wraith did to caustic in the cinematic launch trailer of Apex legends), this throw works mechanically like snake's down throw. Neutral special (and gimmick): Apex legends is a battle royale game, when you drop, encounter an enemy, and your team is nowhere to be seen (trust me it happens more often than you think), you have to use what you find to defend yourself; so, at first when you start a game and you press neutral special... Wraith punches. That's it. Its slightly stronger than the punch in the first hit of the jab and it slightly moves you forward like the D-tilt. But, that's not all there is to the neutral special; when you fight, guns and grenades may appear on the stage, ones stronger others weak, ones common others rare, also every weapon has a fixed number of bullets in clip, so after shooting a fixed number of shots you have to reload, to reload, you press B when the weapon is empty. To pick up a gun, you just press B when near a gun or a grenade, and if you wanna swap the current weapon you are using for one that is on the stage, you hold B when near the gun. You are allowed to carry 2 weapons and 4 grenades; and when you are using the last gun you found and you want to switch to the other one, you input B when shielding, and if you want to switch to grenades, you hold it instead of tapping it. So the weapons and grenades are: P2020: fast fire rate,manual firing,shoots bullets that fuction as disjointed hitboxes but they are rather weak (about 1.4% per shot) Clip:8 bullets Reload time: about 0.9 sec. Chance of appearing:high Light weapons RE-45:Even faster firing rate that the P2020,disjointed hitbox,sort of innacurate,automatic,weak damage (about 0.5% damage). Clip:19 bullets Reload time: about 1.2 sec. Chance of appearing: Above medium Heavy weapons: Prowler:fires in 5 round bursts,fires projectiles, more accurate than the RE-45, medium damage (something like 1.9% damage/per shot). Clip:15 shots Reload: 1.9 sec Chance of appearing: Medium Wingman:fire rate similar to Joker's neutral special, fires projectiles, good damage (about 3% per shot). Clip:5 shots Reload: 2 sec Chance of appearing: slightly above medium Snipers: Charge rifle:Fires a thin laser forwards (similar to robin's arch-thunder), has a small charge time (about 0.7 sec) before each shot, mediocre damage(about 11%) Clip:4 shots Reload time: 3 sec Chance of appearing: slightly under medium Energy weapons: HAVOC:works as a weaker, faster version of the charge rifle, only deals 6%,only needs 0.4 seconds to charge, and has 5 shots Reload time:2 sec Chance of appearing: slightly under medium L-star:Shoots energy spheres that paralyze opponents (similar to zss neutral B),automatic,moderate fire rate and damage (about 1.7% damage) and unlike other weapons, it doesn't use a clip but has an overheat mechanic,after firing for about 3.5 seconds,it goes into a cooldown state for about 2 sec. Chance of appearing: slightly under high Shotguns: Mozambique:manual weapon, fires bursts of 5 shots (each deals about 0.6-0.2% depending on the range),fires disjointed hitboxes,moderate fire rate. Clip:4 shots Reload time:0.8 sec Chance of appearing:high Peacekeeper:fires close range blasts, range can be increased by charging by holding the B button,medium fire rate, projectile, moderate damage(3-9% damage depending on the distance) Clip:3 shots Reload time:1.1 sec Chance of appearing: slightly under low Grenades: Frag grenade:works similar to a bob-omb But deals slightly less damage Arch star:attaches to opponents like sticky bombs and when it explodes it paralyzes opponents Termite grenade:creates a flaming are that behaves like a Pk fire All of these have an above medium chance to appear Side special:For her side special, wraith would use her main hability:into the void, in the original game, it allowed you to avoid all damage at the cost of not being able to interact with anything or attack. In smash, this special would be similar to fox or falco's side special except much slower, the duration of the dash has no hitbox, the end of the attack is the only one that has a hitbox and it only paralyzes them, and wraith is invulnerable to damage during the dash. Also the side B has a 4 second cooldown. Up special: for her up special, wraith uses her ultimate hability: the dimensional rift This up special is a normal up special but with a twist. When you use the teleport,a portal in the place from where teleported and to where you teleported, it stays there for about 5 seconds and players that get too close will be warped to the other portal. Down special: For her down special, she will trust the voices from the void as she uses a counter. But this is a different version of a counter. If someone attacks wraith while the counter is active, wraith will teleport behind the foe and punch him, but if someone shoots a projectile while in counter, she will dodge it and one of two things will happen whether you have a gun or not. If you have a gun, she will dodge it and fire her gun automatically to the side the opponent is in. If you don't have a gun, she will just automatically dodge it. Final smash: For her final smash, wraith will throw a grenade forward, if it hits, the foe will be pulled into a cinematic where she performs one of her 3 finishers •"now you see me" •"existential crisis" •"into the light" But this is purely cosmetic, the outcome is always the same. The foe is launched unless it's at over 100% in that case it's an automatic K.O.
I'd really like to see movesets for more niche characters like this, such as Mach Rider, Excitebiker, Starfy, Sukapon, or even less likely third party characters like Scorpion or maybe even Specter Knight since Shovel Knight became an assist trophy. As for soup, sauteeing onions and then adding them to beef broth can make a great french onion soup, as long as you can provide your own bread and cheese.
I actually have given a lot of thought to Sukapon. He's got some pretty interesting design space to work with, if you are willing to splice in moves from other characters in the starting cast. That would give him bonkers options like an air throw, a very powerful -- but self damaging -- counter, and some pretty unique mobility tools. Of course, all tied up with a NSpec being him throwing his own head. Y'know, for the copy power.
Yeah, I definitely don't throw a curveball with that mystery. I realised towards the end of making this video that I should've had that section at the end and made it about spirits. Either way it's just an excuse to talk more about Advance Wars characters and make corny jokes about them.
I came for an airport joke and I left with an airport joke. Seriously absolutely fantastic video all around and as a huge fan of what is probably up there with Valkyria Chronicles as my favorite video game series of all time, I have always loudly and obnoxiously supported Advanced Wars in Smash Bros. Most of my days in the early 2000s were taken up with playing Golden Sun and Advance Wars, and they stand out to me as the last two Nintendo franchises that deserve a representation as a playable character. For the specifics I think you generally nailed everything that I think should be included, but I would probably choose Sami, infantry and limit things with a money-based resource instead of just a simple timer. Thank you so much for making this I'm going to share it around.
Nintendo's probably saving it for something big, like having Sturm get Chrom'd by Kane from Command and Conquer alongside Sarah Kerrigan from Starcraft premiering in the trailer later on. Both RTS series had their own ports on the N64.
7:56 Me and a lot of people would say that the hellgasht from killzone are the good guys. Or at the very least not the bad guys. They are more tragic figures than anything. The real villianes in the killzone series is the leaders for both factions.
I don't know if you have a personal history with the series but I would frankly love to hear your take on a Rhythm Heaven character (and stage for that matter) in Smash Bros. I've had a few ideas and seen some great ones too but with how fascinating and unique you make all your moveset videos, I feel like you could make something super interesting!
love this channel! was super cool to see my number 1 pick (vault boy), and even hearing about a character i'm not familiar with was super cool! you should try making a moveset for Heavy from TF2! i think there's a lot you could do with him.
heavy could be an (obviously) heavyweight with very fast projectiles from his minigun, but limited ammo. he can get more ammo by retreating to a dispenser, (which is like steve's crafting table. there'd be an engineer on the background like the pokemon trainer.). to go even heavier on the team theming, have the other characters show up for his throws, (pyro airblast for forward throw, spy backstab for back throw, etc.) and give him the sandvich for a down b, which he can share with teammates if playing doubles!
Next in the Series- What if Hearts of Iron IV was in Smash? (Alternate skins would be alternate leaders of the country, Hitler for Kaiser Bill, Churchill for Mosley, Roosevelt for MacArthur etc.)
While I do like the concept of Orange Star HQ, I actually had a vague idea for the stage to be Little Island (the tiny VS map with a single road and only four Bases). Picture this: Some Blue Moon Artillery motor into the background and then pivot their cannons towards the foreground and start raining artillery shells all over the battlefield (like a weaker but more spread-out Halberd cannon). They harass the combatants for a bit before some Orange Star background units shoo them off or blow them up. A few minutes later, an Orange Star Recon speeds by from the left, presumably fresh out of a Base and rushing to get to the combat going on off-screen, plowing through any fighters unfortunate enough to be in its path (a la Onett). Perhaps as a bit of background dressing, some air units could be doing combat as well, and perhaps some naval units, too (Yeah, I know, Little Island doesn't have Airports or Ports, but the planes and boats could have flown and sailed in from _another_ map. It would be a nice nod to the other two unit types, even if they don't contribute to the stage hazards).
For Naval unit rep how about instead of swimming Andy uses a battleship which can fire using the a button. He can't drown unless knocked off the battleship in which case he would turn out to be a worse swimmer than Sonic and drown in half the time. Andy can also jump off the ship in which it will stay out until taking 30% or being called back. Only one battleship could be present at a time and if one is already out and Andy enters the water he will still drown at double speed. Edit: Forgot to mention this before hitting send but the ship also appears in Andy's HUD and can be repaired. If the stage he's fighting on lacks water it won't appear in his HUD since there's no need to worry about a battleship if there's no reason to use one.
Andy move set should be like olimar A base would be put on the stage You get a set amount of money to spend His neutral special would be either buying troops. His side special should be sending the troops out His down special would be calling the troops His up special should use the helicopters to fly up. He could have a number of troops, and every time a troop dies, he has to wait a while to get more.
What’s painful is that nobody wants advance wars in smash or cares if you look at the fam request/popular ballets. It’s mostly waifus, popular stuff, memes or fanservice despite people asking as long as Golden Sun rep requests. Oh and I heard that a rich French guy funded DoR and that’s why it’s so different/so bare bones.
I have a request that will literally never be covered- the Sinful Preacher. Lafcadio Boone, from The Sexy Brutale. Might be a bit challenging, considering it’s a puzzle game, but I have ideas.
Wow great knowledge about FE and AW. This is a really fun video! But Days of Ruin outsold Dual Strike by a lot so idk if it killed the series by itself? I guess wars can't compete with waifus lol. Wow you really out a ton of thought into the movesets with the tank and copters too! Many wrench attacks too lmaooo. Hopefully Nintendo sees this and adds Andy to Smash =)
Wow, I didn't know that about Days of Ruin. That makes it even more surprising that the series didn't continue after that game. I wonder what Nintendo's internal expectations were for Days of Ruin.
@@maxhamm5942 I don't think DoR even got released in Japan cuz Advance Wars just wasn't doing well there. 610k total sales for DoR and 390k for Dual Strike per VGchartz. Not great I suppose. And I wonder if bad sales for PoR and Radiant Dawn had to do with Nintendo canning AW
you talked about the characters who may join smash brother but didn't even mention the best from the game: flak he is really funny and would fit really well in the game as a dk echo fighter (exept for his up-b where he would grab a T-copter to fly upward) lash may also be a good addition to the game, with all her crappy gadget, it may be a funny character to play with. also, i would have seen andy in a more conventionnal (mario-like) playstile, with his side-b he lunch his wrench like a boomrang, and up-b he uses his wrench like a t-copter, and no idea for normal-b and down-b, but the summoner version looks fine too.
What if Advance Wars came to Switch? Edit: I think if an Advance Wars character would make it to smash it would be Sami because let's be honest she's everyones favourite. And if the inclusion of Min Min has tought us anything the favourites win over the "face" of the series.
So, i have a few suggestions from indie games: Madeline/Badeline from Celeste, i know it‘s a bit simple so it might be complicated to find enough moves. Ori and sein from Ori and the Blind Forest, they are already in Rivals of Aether so you may be able to take some inspiration from there or just from the original game because they have a lot of stuff to work with already. Again someone from Rivals of Aether, Shovel knight, he also has some things that you could take from Rivals but even without that he could have a lot of interesting mechanics and moves from his game alone. And lastly Hollow Knight, this pick is pretty obvious because it would just fit perfectly. Hollow Knight already has slashing, sword-like moves and could even use his abilities and different skills from the Skilltree.
i really hope they hear your idea or at least take some things in count I would really love the idea of a summoner, and how sakurai would apply it to the game :D
That's true. I cut a section of the script talking about them for time. They're an odd spin-off for sure, but it definitely shows that the Wars series was an even bigger deal back in the day.
I for one would find a combo hero of Andy Sami and Max like pokemon trainer except they are in the box art tank and just swap whoever is in the tanks command hatch changing their moveset
how convenient that this was recomended to me, after the direct.
IT LOOKED SO GOOOD!!!! 'Forgotten' No Longer!
I can tell your really happy
From one totally-not-bitter AW fan still carrying the torch to another: this is exquisite.
You chose the wrong character (#sami4smash) and then proceeded to turn them into the RIGHT character, with a moveset I would die to play, while still not forgetting the Orange Crew or AW's adorable ridiculousness in the bargain.
Skill all around.
Thank you. I was in the happiest tears by the end of this.
Sami meleeing everyone with an m16 (with bayo mountable but disables manual stab, a close range high damage attack) would be fun.
The return of the king.
The King has Returned.
We have risen back from the grave!
Sorry if the sound quality in this is inconsistent. I'm still not great at audio, and I don't think the youtube algorithm likes old timey silent films, so this is the best I can do for now. Hope it's not too distracting.
@Stal / ᓭד ̣ ᔑꖎ bro steve is already so good
What could he rework
@Stal / ᓭד ̣ ᔑꖎ minecraft is such a massive game you can't add everything in a smash moveset
A good moveset can't have every item on a game because it will make everything cluttered and messy
I found this channel from The Duke of Dorks. He’s like you but has more videos.
@@ciancaldera395 Don't tell anyone, but I should have a video out this week. It's about time...
After nintendo e3 :)
I honestly never though about a Advance War character as a playable character un Smash..., And now I want one. Great video!
I really like the idea of another strategist character that represents modern military settings, and I think you did pretty well in emphasizing that Andy is at his best when he's using his troops, something that might have been lost with his fighting-fitter friends.
Also, the mini-vehicles make me think of Advance Wars as a series of wargaming sessions between a group of friends, which is kind of cute.
Oof. 9/11 really happened after the release of advance wars damn...
That's probably the reason why no one knows much about Advance Wars.
I came expecting a simple moveset video but was pleasantly surprised with your sense of humor and editing skills. I love your take on the 'units' aspect of Andy's moveset a lot, hope the devs takes notes from it if they ever consider including an AW fighter.
I hope Re-Boot Camp boosts Advance Wars' chances of getting a playable fighter in Smash Bros.
What if they already did and the remake was just the perfect excuse?
It's also interesting they choose Samis theme for the trailer.
If an Advance Wars Character were to get into Smash here’s how I’d imagine they would function.
We could have Andy, Max and Sami in Smash either as a Trio or in their own slots, able use weapons like Snake, ride Tanks, APC, Battle Copters, summoning Infantry and Tanks ala the Assist Trophy like Duck Hunt does with Wild Gunmen. They would would have a Gold Mechanic like Hero’s MP meter where if you land hits on an opponent you gain gold, and then you can pull up a list of units to summon into Battle, perfectly representing Advance Wars resource management gameplay aspect. There’s so much you can do with an AW character in Smash.
@@brandonwilliams6119 I like that idea.
You should call this series “How Weird can these Movesets get”
I love the creativity on andy's moveset (I don't personally want to play him, but fighting a andy main who's not cheap and actually decent would make a engaging fight lol)
Oh hey, I guess there's exactly two people who have given actual thought behind Andy in Smash. I find it interesting how both of us went through largely the same decision process when picking Andy and came to the same conclusion about what his mechanical aesthetics would be, but got to the exact opposite conclusion on how to achieve it.
When I was theory crafting Andy I leaned in a little more on the summoner aspect than Rosalina 2: Modern Warfare. A good chunk of his moveset could summon units, and they would act largely autonomously, but to make up for him being able to shit out helpers like his life (quite literally) depended on it they would be capped at a 5 unit limit and have 10% health each. So he could easily dominate the stage, but anyone who can keep a cool head beyond his barrage of units would be able to bust through with some careful spacing and taking advantage of weak points in his formation.
And there would be weak points, as each unit would only really be able to do one thing, so the Andy player had to decide what areas he needs to cover and how many resources to dedicate towards any aspect of his strategy. "Should I throw out more air units, weakening my ground game? Do I have enough units to protect my artillery? Is it worth placing down a sub as a trap and try to corral my opponent into it?" These are the questions I want the player to be asking while playing Andy.
Now granted, I think your version does a better job at being, well, Andy specifically. I sorta used Andy as an engine to represent Wars while I feel like you did a much better job capturing his character (especially with how panicky the kid comes off sometimes). And 2-3 powerful units to manage is more reasonable and realistic to program than "mix and match 5 out of 8." But I wanted to capture the feeling of playing an Advance War match for both Andy and his opponent. Even if it leaves him an even more crippling weakness to Hero casting Bounce than yours does just on account of how many projectiles mine would have flying around.
Link for further details: www.deviantart.com/dyxo/art/Andy-Advance-Wars-Smash-Bros-moveset-concept-806765608
I really like this take on the character. Having a whole army of weak units out at once is unlike anything we've ever seen in Smash. (Brawl Olimar had 6 Pikmin, but they're nowhere near as versatile as what you're pitching). I can just imagine combo videos where every soldier on the field gets a hit in.
I also think it's pretty funny that the back throw you pitched basically ended up happening with Steve minecart command grab.
@@maxhamm5942Yeah, I can imagine combo videos (especially TAS stuff) would probably look a lot like S rank Advance War missions. Just units flying around everywhere in galaxy brain formations. Or, at least the formations I wish my units had going on in my own runs of Wars maps before something gets blown up by an enemy unit I wasn't paying attention to.
I totally forgot I had put that down as the BThrow, not gonna lie. Glad its in smash in some way.
I miss advance wars... Come on nintendo! Bring us Switch Wars!
Good news: we got Re-Boot Camp
As a Fire Emblem fan, I've been curious about the Advance Wars series, so I'm glad to see a neat moveset from it!
Holy crap that was good. The script was engaging and the moveset must have taken forever to animate. This is a great follow up to the Waluigi video. Keep up the good work.
This is actually something I legit want
Holy wow I love this so much! One of the most interesting smash bros character concepts I've seen yet. Always was curious how Advance Wars characters could function in Smash ever since Project M died and had the alpha state of Sami leaked, and this concept blew all of my expectations out of the water! Looking forward to your future videos!
I would love to see this series get a character in the next game, as well as Takamaru
I loved this series as a kid.
Also I've been really getting into playing Pom in Thems Fighting Herds
(Arizona would be an interesting smash grappler)
And Pom has a similar puppet slash summon mechanic so this concept really excites me. Itd be fun to pull odf stuff to make you feel really smart for all your set up and planning which is the fun of playing a setup zoner/puppet character AND a strategy game so you captut the feel of atinf Advance Wars in smash really well.
Also once i finish mechanicus ill pick up wargroove as my strategy game to play, it looks good!
No, I didn’t read “Pom” as something else
this video has me wanting an advanced war character in smash now
I found your channel a little while ago and I really like the way you approach Smash moveset concept videos! Nice stuff!
Thanks so much. I just found your Hollow Knight moveset video on the smash subreddit. Gorgeous stuff.
If anyone else is reading this, check out Aran's channel, his Hollow Knight moveset completely raises the bar for this kind of content.
max: cartoonized armor unit PltCmdr
andy: cartoonized motortrans unit PltCmdr
sami: cartoonized infantry pc
nell: a combat veteran infantry officer on a b-billet to promote to colonel
"Colonel, there is a child with an oversized wrench..."
"That's Andy, Snake. He might not look like it, but he is a war hero from the land known as Wars World."
"Wars World...?"
"It's a different world with nations that in a certain way mirrors the ones existing in our current world, Andy is from the nation called Orange Star, which would be their version of the United States."
"Still, I don't feel comfortable fighting a child, colonel..."
"Don't underestimate him Snake. He possesses unparalleled mechanical skills, capable of fixing almost any vehicle or even patching up his wounded men. He can even temporarily upgrade his units to gain an advantage over his enemy."
"I see, something I else I should know?"
"He doesn't know what an airport is."
Now i want this dude so much
this was a super interesting moveset!
Well you've convinced me, I now want Andy in smash
Ah, you made me laugh by reminding me of me. Great video all around, bud, though the Infantry man sounds like a lot of gimmick and jank that would probably be needed to be better grounded in Smash's more casual aspects, like Spirit battles, extra gamemodes, etc. So maybe it could be like a separate battle mode, an extra type of competitive Smash mode.
And I might try Wargroove now.
Ayy I'm so happy to see you uploading again :D I enjoy seeing your ideas so much, and I'm excited to see you're following the idea of maybe talking about more unorthodox choices. It makes me even more excited to see what you plan to do in the future!! I hope you have a great day man, and top notch quality as always
I absolutely love ur vids please keep making them
“Sami and Max Hit the Road.” Clever, very clever.
I don’t know if I the title of the video aged well or poorly cause on one hand it’s now wrong, but on the other, ADVANCED WARS IS BACK BAY BAY
the return
I have never played advance wars before so I didn’t think I would like the video, man was a wrong. I love the idea behind the character and his play style.
Just discovered this video. I think Sami would be the best choice for a lot of factors, but I could totally see Nell being the most Sakurai pick of the bunch. She can even fight with little sprites of the soldiers and that is absolutely something Sakurai would do as her main gimmick. But I'm surprised you didn't mention the Battalion Wars games though, because they were an attempt to do something different with the series, especially for the West, and the MC Brigadier Betty would actually be pretty fun. She has a personality and look that would be pretty unique for Smash, as well as a built-in alt. I could picture her using lots of different military gadgets for her attacks.
Man, if Nell was chosen the internet's reaction would be so confused. She'd be Wii Fit Trainer/Piranha Plant levels of having nobody see her coming, only she wouldn't be a joke character. You're right though. She's definitely a great option for representing Advance Wars itself.
I actually cut a paragraph talking about Battalion Wars because the script was already way way too long.
I also haven't played any of the Battalion Wars games, so I didn't quite feel comfortable talking about them, especially considering how different the series seems to be from Advance Wars in terms of both story and gameplay.
It is pretty amazing that Advance Wars was once big enough to have its own spin-off series.
@@maxhamm5942 yeah, I was a bit older and out of touch at that point when the battalion games came out. But your video did honestly get me thinking about how exciting the 2000s were for Nintendo. The Wii was slaying, the GameCube was their last home console that had the same power as the competitor, and they just kept pumping out new IP, revived IP and weird experiments with their popular IP.. Plus the DS revolutionized stuff on top of that. I think the poor return on sales for a lot of their games from that time and then the Wii U falling on its face pretty much made them play it super safe from that point forward. Nintendo in the 2000s was the last time they took a big risk with a lot of their software. You can easily write a dissertation on it. We got a major F-Zero game that received a ton of media attention, the Metroid prime trilogy, lots of Japanese only franchises getting localized for the English market, Wind Waker, Wario Ware, lots of weird Mario spin-off games, lots of weird peripherals...
I love this so much! Well done dude! Also the games on Switch now so I might try it
I was thinking about this recently because of the Advance Wars revival.
The reason why I should never make Smash movesets is because my moveset would be more literal
As in, for his Up Air, Andy would take out an actual helicopter from his pocket and attack with it, gaining some vertical movement as well.
Wraith smash moveset idea (apex legends)
Entrance:Dropping from a ship using a jetpack.
Jab:A punch to double slash combo (referencing the standard meelee attack as well and one the attack animations when using the kunai heirloom).
F-tilt:A stab from the kunai, slightly moves forward wraith (referencing other of the attack animations from the kunai heirloom).
U-tilt:A powerful uppercut,has very low horizontal range but above average vertical range, so it's better to hit foes right in front of you(a good shieldbreak punish tool) or over you (a reference to the standard meelee attack when crouching).
D-tilt: A straight slash from the kunai forwards while crouching.
N-air: Wraith creates an energy sphere around her, working similar to mewtwo's or Pikachu's n-air (this is a reference to the void energy wraith is very frequently associated with and the energy spheres that appear for a bit when hitting an enemy with the kunai heirloom).
F-air: A strong air kick forwards, it has some startup lag but it's strong, something in the lines of captain falcon's f-air (this is a reference to the meelee attack in apex legends when using a meelee attack in the air after jumping).
B-air: a simple backwards stab from the kunai, it has low range and power but comes out faster than other aerials.
U-air:A simple upwards slash from the kunai, doesn't come out as fast as the back air but it's moderately good at juggling opponents.
D-air:A downwards punch at a slight forward angle, it works similar to Ryu and Ken's D-air but unlike those, this one can't spike/meteor smash
F-smash: Wraith does a strong kick forwards, and like the F-air, it is strong, has medium range, and a bit of startup lag (this is a reference to the animation in apex legends when you use a meelee attack to break doors in the game)
U-smash: Wraith performs a strong, upward slash with the kunai, it's kind of weak but it's her fastest smash attack (works similarly to Joker's up smash)
D-smash: Wraith creates an energy sphere in front of her in the ground (this attack works similarly to Lucas's down smash but stronger and with a little bit of end lag)
Grab and pummel: Wraith would grab by grabbing by the enemy's shoulder and pummel slashing with her kunai
F-throw: Wraith simply punches the foe sending it forwards
B-throw:Wraith punches the foe three times to rack up damage,and then grabs them by their arms and chucks them backwards(This is a reference to the "into the light" finisher in apex legends)
U-throw:at first looks like it's the same as the f-throw but then a portal appears behind the foe that they are launched into and right after that a portal appears over wraith that launches the foe upwards.
D-throw: wraith teleports behind the foe, simply stabs them on the waist and lays them down (this a reference to a similar move that wraith did to caustic in the cinematic launch trailer of Apex legends), this throw works mechanically like snake's down throw.
Neutral special (and gimmick): Apex legends is a battle royale game, when you drop, encounter an enemy, and your team is nowhere to be seen (trust me it happens more often than you think), you have to use what you find to defend yourself; so, at first when you start a game and you press neutral special...
Wraith punches.
That's it.
Its slightly stronger than the punch in the first hit of the jab and it slightly moves you forward like the D-tilt.
But, that's not all there is to the neutral special; when you fight, guns and grenades may appear on the stage, ones stronger others weak, ones common others rare, also every weapon has a fixed number of bullets in clip, so after shooting a fixed number of shots you have to reload, to reload, you press B when the weapon is empty. To pick up a gun, you just press B when near a gun or a grenade, and if you wanna swap the current weapon you are using for one that is on the stage, you hold B when near the gun. You are allowed to carry 2 weapons and 4 grenades; and when you are using the last gun you found and you want to switch to the other one, you input B when shielding, and if you want to switch to grenades, you hold it instead of tapping it. So the weapons and grenades are:
P2020: fast fire rate,manual firing,shoots bullets that fuction as disjointed hitboxes but they are rather weak (about 1.4% per shot)
Clip:8 bullets
Reload time: about 0.9 sec.
Chance of appearing:high
Light weapons
RE-45:Even faster firing rate that the P2020,disjointed hitbox,sort of innacurate,automatic,weak damage (about 0.5% damage).
Clip:19 bullets
Reload time: about 1.2 sec.
Chance of appearing: Above medium
Heavy weapons:
Prowler:fires in 5 round bursts,fires projectiles, more accurate than the RE-45, medium damage (something like 1.9% damage/per shot).
Clip:15 shots
Reload: 1.9 sec
Chance of appearing: Medium
Wingman:fire rate similar to Joker's neutral special, fires projectiles, good damage (about 3% per shot).
Clip:5 shots
Reload: 2 sec
Chance of appearing: slightly above medium
Snipers:
Charge rifle:Fires a thin laser forwards (similar to robin's arch-thunder), has a small charge time (about 0.7 sec) before each shot, mediocre damage(about 11%)
Clip:4 shots
Reload time: 3 sec
Chance of appearing: slightly under medium
Energy weapons:
HAVOC:works as a weaker, faster version of the charge rifle, only deals 6%,only needs 0.4 seconds to charge, and has 5 shots
Reload time:2 sec
Chance of appearing: slightly under medium
L-star:Shoots energy spheres that paralyze opponents (similar to zss neutral B),automatic,moderate fire rate and damage (about 1.7% damage) and unlike other weapons, it doesn't use a clip but has an overheat mechanic,after firing for about 3.5 seconds,it goes into a cooldown state for about 2 sec.
Chance of appearing: slightly under high
Shotguns:
Mozambique:manual weapon, fires bursts of 5 shots (each deals about 0.6-0.2% depending on the range),fires disjointed hitboxes,moderate fire rate.
Clip:4 shots
Reload time:0.8 sec
Chance of appearing:high
Peacekeeper:fires close range blasts, range can be increased by charging by holding the B button,medium fire rate, projectile, moderate damage(3-9% damage depending on the distance)
Clip:3 shots
Reload time:1.1 sec
Chance of appearing: slightly under low
Grenades:
Frag grenade:works similar to a bob-omb
But deals slightly less damage
Arch star:attaches to opponents like sticky bombs and when it explodes it paralyzes opponents
Termite grenade:creates a flaming are that behaves like a Pk fire
All of these have an above medium chance to appear
Side special:For her side special, wraith would use her main hability:into the void, in the original game, it allowed you to avoid all damage at the cost of not being able to interact with anything or attack.
In smash, this special would be similar to fox or falco's side special except much slower, the duration of the dash has no hitbox, the end of the attack is the only one that has a hitbox and it only paralyzes them, and wraith is invulnerable to damage during the dash. Also the side B has a 4 second cooldown.
Up special: for her up special, wraith uses her ultimate hability: the dimensional rift
This up special is a normal up special but with a twist. When you use the teleport,a portal in the place from where teleported and to where you teleported, it stays there for about 5 seconds and players that get too close will be warped to the other portal.
Down special: For her down special, she will trust the voices from the void as she uses a counter. But this is a different version of a counter. If someone attacks wraith while the counter is active, wraith will teleport behind the foe and punch him, but if someone shoots a projectile while in counter, she will dodge it and one of two things will happen whether you have a gun or not. If you have a gun, she will dodge it and fire her gun automatically to the side the opponent is in. If you don't have a gun, she will just automatically dodge it.
Final smash: For her final smash, wraith will throw a grenade forward, if it hits, the foe will be pulled into a cinematic where she performs one of her 3 finishers
•"now you see me"
•"existential crisis"
•"into the light"
But this is purely cosmetic, the outcome is always the same. The foe is launched unless it's at over 100% in that case it's an automatic K.O.
i got linked your chief video and was on board and then i saw this was your most recent and instantly subbed
Your alive, this is the best news I’ve gotten all week
I'd really like to see movesets for more niche characters like this, such as Mach Rider, Excitebiker, Starfy, Sukapon, or even less likely third party characters like Scorpion or maybe even Specter Knight since Shovel Knight became an assist trophy. As for soup, sauteeing onions and then adding them to beef broth can make a great french onion soup, as long as you can provide your own bread and cheese.
I'm just trying to save money it'll come out
I actually have given a lot of thought to Sukapon. He's got some pretty interesting design space to work with, if you are willing to splice in moves from other characters in the starting cast. That would give him bonkers options like an air throw, a very powerful -- but self damaging -- counter, and some pretty unique mobility tools. Of course, all tied up with a NSpec being him throwing his own head. Y'know, for the copy power.
That second part was unnessesary
The moment you showed the characters i already knew who was gonna be picked
Yeah, I definitely don't throw a curveball with that mystery. I realised towards the end of making this video that I should've had that section at the end and made it about spirits. Either way it's just an excuse to talk more about Advance Wars characters and make corny jokes about them.
@@maxhamm5942 well at least the jokes landed
Great video
YEEAAAHH BABY, THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR, THATS WHAT IVE BEEN WAITING FOR. WOOOO.
I came for an airport joke and I left with an airport joke.
Seriously absolutely fantastic video all around and as a huge fan of what is probably up there with Valkyria Chronicles as my favorite video game series of all time, I have always loudly and obnoxiously supported Advanced Wars in Smash Bros.
Most of my days in the early 2000s were taken up with playing Golden Sun and Advance Wars, and they stand out to me as the last two Nintendo franchises that deserve a representation as a playable character.
For the specifics I think you generally nailed everything that I think should be included, but I would probably choose Sami, infantry and limit things with a money-based resource instead of just a simple timer.
Thank you so much for making this I'm going to share it around.
God, that down throw is brilliant.
Nintendo's probably saving it for something big, like having Sturm get Chrom'd by Kane from Command and Conquer alongside Sarah Kerrigan from Starcraft premiering in the trailer later on. Both RTS series had their own ports on the N64.
WHEN I WANTED HIM MOST, HE CAME BACK!
God I WANT THIS an unspeakable amount. Great video dude.
7:56 Me and a lot of people would say that the hellgasht from killzone are the good guys. Or at the very least not the bad guys. They are more tragic figures than anything. The real villianes in the killzone series is the leaders for both factions.
This was a very real rumor back in the day I remember. I feel like I heard she was going to be in brawl forsure
I don't know if you have a personal history with the series but I would frankly love to hear your take on a Rhythm Heaven character (and stage for that matter) in Smash Bros. I've had a few ideas and seen some great ones too but with how fascinating and unique you make all your moveset videos, I feel like you could make something super interesting!
"I just really like shilling" - haha, that cracked me up
You make incredibal videos and are very underrated. I hope you grow in popularity.
Andy's 8th alt could be orange, referencing how Orange Star was originally called Red Star, before they changed it due to the Red Scare.
love this channel! was super cool to see my number 1 pick (vault boy), and even hearing about a character i'm not familiar with was super cool! you should try making a moveset for Heavy from TF2! i think there's a lot you could do with him.
heavy could be an (obviously) heavyweight with very fast projectiles from his minigun, but limited ammo. he can get more ammo by retreating to a dispenser, (which is like steve's crafting table. there'd be an engineer on the background like the pokemon trainer.). to go even heavier on the team theming, have the other characters show up for his throws, (pyro airblast for forward throw, spy backstab for back throw, etc.) and give him the sandvich for a down b, which he can share with teammates if playing doubles!
The NCH Productions-style infantry miiiight fit the Smash look a bit better, but good idea nonetheless.
Great video!
"there are so many fire emblem characters in smash"
meanwhile the mario and pokemon series's
Good stuff as always
Next in the Series- What if Hearts of Iron IV was in Smash?
(Alternate skins would be alternate leaders of the country, Hitler for Kaiser Bill, Churchill for Mosley, Roosevelt for MacArthur etc.)
Sturm is ready to drop meteors everywhere
They aaaaaall remember war games... but anyone... ANY SINGLE SOUL... Remember solatorobo and his protagonist red savarin... Fuck...
Since Re-boot camp is now a thing since last year, if Sakurai does make a future Smash 6
Then I hope Andy gets Accepted as a fighter
Yeah but, all of this for what? I still don't know what an airport is
17:39 I was not expecting a Tiananmen square reference in a fucking smash bros video.
truly brave to take a shot at playstaion all stars
While I do like the concept of Orange Star HQ, I actually had a vague idea for the stage to be Little Island (the tiny VS map with a single road and only four Bases).
Picture this: Some Blue Moon Artillery motor into the background and then pivot their cannons towards the foreground and start raining artillery shells all over the battlefield (like a weaker but more spread-out Halberd cannon). They harass the combatants for a bit before some Orange Star background units shoo them off or blow them up. A few minutes later, an Orange Star Recon speeds by from the left, presumably fresh out of a Base and rushing to get to the combat going on off-screen, plowing through any fighters unfortunate enough to be in its path (a la Onett).
Perhaps as a bit of background dressing, some air units could be doing combat as well, and perhaps some naval units, too (Yeah, I know, Little Island doesn't have Airports or Ports, but the planes and boats could have flown and sailed in from _another_ map. It would be a nice nod to the other two unit types, even if they don't contribute to the stage hazards).
As much as this is a really cool and interesting concept, I would HATE playing against Andy
I don't really play smash often, but this would get me to play it again!
7:43 looks like a cross between Big Band and Panzerfist
For Naval unit rep how about instead of swimming Andy uses a battleship which can fire using the a button. He can't drown unless knocked off the battleship in which case he would turn out to be a worse swimmer than Sonic and drown in half the time. Andy can also jump off the ship in which it will stay out until taking 30% or being called back. Only one battleship could be present at a time and if one is already out and Andy enters the water he will still drown at double speed. Edit: Forgot to mention this before hitting send but the ship also appears in Andy's HUD and can be repaired. If the stage he's fighting on lacks water it won't appear in his HUD since there's no need to worry about a battleship if there's no reason to use one.
okay so in an andy ditto people could just fight in the ocean
blaze i love this
@@GreenStarGalaxian Thanks. Smash should seriously have a reason to enter the water and I feel an Andy ditto would be perfect for that.
I would love to Sami in future Smash games!
Andy move set should be like olimar
A base would be put on the stage
You get a set amount of money to spend
His neutral special would be either buying troops.
His side special should be sending the troops out
His down special would be calling the troops
His up special should use the helicopters to fly up.
He could have a number of troops, and every time a troop dies, he has to wait a while to get more.
Yayyyy he’s back!!!!! Also, I unironically want Andy now.
Hetler in smash
Would fit with the fan base
Best youtuber :)
What’s painful is that nobody wants advance wars in smash or cares if you look at the fam request/popular ballets. It’s mostly waifus, popular stuff, memes or fanservice despite people asking as long as Golden Sun rep requests.
Oh and I heard that a rich French guy funded DoR and that’s why it’s so different/so bare bones.
Giving fans exactly what they ask for only ever leads to bored fans.
Andy if you can dodge a wrench you can dodge a smashball
I have a request that will literally never be covered- the Sinful Preacher. Lafcadio Boone, from The Sexy Brutale. Might be a bit challenging, considering it’s a puzzle game, but I have ideas.
Nice to see some AW rep
Wow great knowledge about FE and AW. This is a really fun video! But Days of Ruin outsold Dual Strike by a lot so idk if it killed the series by itself? I guess wars can't compete with waifus lol.
Wow you really out a ton of thought into the movesets with the tank and copters too! Many wrench attacks too lmaooo. Hopefully Nintendo sees this and adds Andy to Smash =)
Wow, I didn't know that about Days of Ruin. That makes it even more surprising that the series didn't continue after that game. I wonder what Nintendo's internal expectations were for Days of Ruin.
@@maxhamm5942 I don't think DoR even got released in Japan cuz Advance Wars just wasn't doing well there. 610k total sales for DoR and 390k for Dual Strike per VGchartz. Not great I suppose. And I wonder if bad sales for PoR and Radiant Dawn had to do with Nintendo canning AW
you talked about the characters who may join smash brother but didn't even mention the best from the game: flak
he is really funny and would fit really well in the game as a dk echo fighter (exept for his up-b where he would grab a T-copter to fly upward)
lash may also be a good addition to the game, with all her crappy gadget, it may be a funny character to play with.
also, i would have seen andy in a more conventionnal (mario-like) playstile, with his side-b he lunch his wrench like a boomrang, and up-b he uses his wrench like a t-copter, and no idea for normal-b and down-b, but the summoner version looks fine too.
What if Advance Wars came to Switch?
Edit: I think if an Advance Wars character would make it to smash it would be Sami because let's be honest she's everyones favourite. And if the inclusion of Min Min has tought us anything the favourites win over the "face" of the series.
I love the move set I want him in the game and I have played some games from this Franchise
I think people would be fine with Fire Emblems rep if 5/8 of the characters weren’t all protagonists. Hell 4 of them are the same character
What if raze the dinodog was in super smash bros
So, i have a few suggestions from indie games: Madeline/Badeline from Celeste, i know it‘s a bit simple so it might be complicated to find enough moves. Ori and sein from Ori and the Blind Forest, they are already in Rivals of Aether so you may be able to take some inspiration from there or just from the original game because they have a lot of stuff to work with already. Again someone from Rivals of Aether, Shovel knight, he also has some things that you could take from Rivals but even without that he could have a lot of interesting mechanics and moves from his game alone. And lastly Hollow Knight, this pick is pretty obvious because it would just fit perfectly. Hollow Knight already has slashing, sword-like moves and could even use his abilities and different skills from the Skilltree.
Kirby Poyo with the buster mech
i really hope they hear your idea or at least take some things in count I would really love the idea of a summoner, and how sakurai would apply it to the game :D
I see max as a dk clone Sami fighting lie a cross between fox and zero suit Samus and Andy fighting like Mr game and watch
There’s still hope !
Andy is a pretty good choice becasue of his lack of gimmicks. Also andy can be seen as the "main" character of the franchise.
I asked for Wars. I ask for Wars all the time. I miss Wars. But only Fire Emblem now. Only Magic Waifus. No Tank Waifus. :(
Weren't Battalion Wars for the GameCube and Battalion Wars II for the Wii ALSO part of this Wars series?
That's true. I cut a section of the script talking about them for time. They're an odd spin-off for sure, but it definitely shows that the Wars series was an even bigger deal back in the day.
Doesn't Intelligence systems make Advance Wars. Yeah that's what I thought. They should definitely bring it back.
I for one would find a combo hero of Andy Sami and Max like pokemon trainer except they are in the box art tank and just swap whoever is in the tanks command hatch changing their moveset
No lie I kind of think sturm would be fun to speculate on moveset wise. Sturm is cool dammit
Missile launcher tank
Green earth COs spirit animals are Rayquaza, Kyogre, and Groundon. Prove me wrong
I wish andy was a playable character