I LOVE how she seamlessly called both Rose West and Mira Hindley nothing special. I agree with her, they weren’t notorious, they weren’t nothing special. Just cruel individuals
When I was in the Police we had a female prisoner in our cells one day and I was talking with her. she had been at Cookham Wood Prison and knew Myra Hindley. She was in raptures abouther.. I thought then from what she told me.. no. .that woman is a manipulator.. gettingother female prisoners to like her.
Bruh my dad had Fred west in has bed as a child he was meant too fix the boiler or something and just sat and spoke too my dad on his bed and then when my grandma asked him too work he started and when she left he just got up and went idk the authenticity of this story and also my dads now a druggys so idk but he told me this prior years ago and so did his mum on multiple occasions
Love what ladbible is doing with this content lately. Raising so much awareness on so many interesting topics that alot of us never even think about or consider. To go from where this channel started to what it is now is exactly the kind of positive growth that this world needs and I love to see it. Keep up the good work!
@@sylviawilliamson4195 I'm going to buy that book. I've often wondered what happens in prison. It was 2 years ago that I bumped into somebody I hadn't seen for a long time. We went for coffee and she told me she had just spent 9 months in prison. It wasn't for a violent offence but she was released early for good behaviour. She had been terrified, but quickly settled in. She got a job there and was determined to get through without complaint. She only had good things to say about her experience. It's fascinating.
This lady is a realist, but also has a heart. Incredible experience prisons need more people like her as the leader. Should write a book one day. Oh forgot the most important she looks after her team and recognizes and acts when they need it. This is no easy job, no matter if you are governor or officer.
This woman can definitely present/tell her stories elsewhere/mainstream media. She told each story very well and kept my attention from start to finish. Kudos to her 👍
I positively adore this woman. I could listen to her speak for years on end. She’s exactly the person that we need on these advisory boards making recommendations for prisons/jails etc.
I loved her book, every minute of it. She’s awsome, I’d love to have a tea with her, I could listen to her stories all day. She inspired me to retry to join the prison service in my country.
See if you can arrange a tour of a prison some time. I've worked in a prison and I had no problems with it whatsoever but my previous boss did a walk around tour as part of a job application and it set off all kinds of claustrophobia he didn't know he had. I work well with routine and clear rules but not everyone can handle the pretty intense rules either. It can also mess with people's heads how you have to be on the lookout for manipulation all the time. A woman I work with worked in the court service and that was enough to make her a bit paranoid. Meanwhile I live around the corner from a probation office and an approved premises for people on parole. I have to just accept that it is just a part of life that I have criminals living nearby and not let it bother me. Not everyone can just get on with their day once they know what kind of people are just walking around, going about their daily lives.
@@belindahutchinson5333 Have to say, I asked the same question lol. After hearing her stories I have tremendous respect for what she has had to go through at her job, and for helping keeping things in check in our prison - it's a very vital role, but I am really grateful this is not my job after having heard her talk about
I've watched this lady on several TH-cam documentaries... she is amazing and really knows the prison system and the inmates inside out. I think she has an OBE or MBE. That's how her service has been recognised ... Great lady
Thank you, Vanessa, for your service. You made a difference. Those of us who are retired relate to your feeling of being lost when our careers end...it takes time to figure out the next chapter. If I may be so bold, I would suggest that you go on the speakers circuit. It is very lucrative, part time and it would help you to continue to inform the public about your life's work and lessons learned which is a very worthy purpose, indeed. Thanks to Ladbible for this interview. One of the best ever.
Vanessa is an absolute legend, I would like to thank her for the service she provided and wish her all best in her life going forward. If you've not read her book please do so. I applaud her service to society x
What a fascinating person. I've no experience in Vanessa Frake's world, but she gave such an interesting, if only scratching the surface, insight into it. I really enjoyed this video and that she clearly cares for her charges, in a tough but fair fashion. Thanks. Looking forward to exploring more of this series. Edit: for feedback, I'd really be interested in hearing more from her.
Listening to this lady is amazing. I used to be a prison chaplain in the London prisons and two of the prisons I worked at were Holloway and Wormwood Scrubs. I visited the other London prisons too as I covered a minority faith. I really enjoyed working with the prisoners; it was definitely the best part of the job, however, one of the female prisoners I worked with killed herself and that was so terribly sad. It stays with me even now so many years later. And it's true, there was no after care. I carried such a lot of awful feelings for so long over that.
22 minutes is insufficient. 😉 doesn’t do her justice.! two hours plus i once saw an interview with this gem of a lady. now that was a phenomenal interview.! fascinating is an understatement. 😃😉 * note to self - i must fetch her book. ✌🏻🌏🇦🇺🤘🏻
She’s absolutely right. The ‘system’ regardless of where it operates doesn’t want outspoken staff in positions of authority. Why? Because they’re brutally honest for one, and two, they invariably soften up bad news with a workable solution, but when it’s not implemented “because it couldn’t be, there’s no way how” they’d offer up an opinion on the fact they they had personally presented a workable solution when highlighting the issue, and *NOBODY* wants to ever hear that kind of truth, particularly in front of a subordinate. When people tell you they appreciate honesty, what they actually mean is “I’m a compulsive liar, don’t ever presume to suggest anything UP the hierarchal ladder, shit flows down from above” - I learned this 10 minutes before resigning from a Potential Officer Candidate course as a young REME Lance-Jack in 1991 and accepting immediate promotion to substantive Full-Screw on Pay Of Higher Rank for a Local Acting Sergeant position. It’s how the world works. If you’re exceptional at what you choose to do you’ll be passed over for promotion that will go to incompetent and witless cretins more times than you can count. Play the game, not the system, you cannot win. Even if you think you can by changing it from the inside, by the time you get where you need to be you will be equally as corrupt as those you set out to rid the system of, and worse, you won’t even realise what you’ve become. Take a good look at your CEO and ask yourself why you’ve not already asked yourself “How did such a wanker ever get to be the CEO?” - it’s not a diehard rule, but it’s certainly a majority one. You won’t get near - and if you do, remember who you were when you set off on your quest, not who you became on the way to making it there. Nothing to do with any specific person or system, it’s just life, and politics. It’s always about the politics, especially if you’re a politician and in charge of making up legislation that governs politics. (David Cameron on Tony Blair, a long time ago, which he completely forgot about and of whom he idolised when he got there instead) allegedly, I wouldn’t know, I’m just an ordinary squirrel.
Burns me when people talk about behaving like an “animal” or treated like an “animal”. If you treat your animal bad, you deserve prison and as far as behaviour goes…..well humans win bad behaviour hands down
Hero. Please know you did an incredible job. I am so grateful to have seen your interview. Hope your life outside gives you a break and you can enjoy your family. Make sure to get support if you start noticing your head is giving you sh*t. Wish the best.
This woman is a legend. More balls than me and talks a lot of sense. It’s funny what she said about male prisoners behaving better towards her than the female ones, as the first thing I thought was that I’d rather work with male prisoners. Every job I’ve had, it’s been my fellow women who have been the issue, never the men!
Looks a tough govenor no pushover all prisons should be visited to see the state there in which prisoners have to live in they never see the bad parts prisoners do rhey would be shut down straight away
As a former CO with PTSD, from a facility with zero support for staff, this hits. There really is a lot that the public eye doesn't see. With that said, there is a lot you don't even see yourself until it is too late. Once you get out, you never actually "get out", that choice becomes a mindset. Keep Battling. Day by day, we get better.
I like this woman - was good for the job. Smart, effective - and matter of fact nothing ot hide. She would be good to review reforms that work and those that don’t.
I was friends with female Salvation Army officer. She worked in the prison with both male and female prisoners. She told me she preferred working with the men, they were polite with her where as the females were rude spoke dirty all the time.
Watched this womans 2 videos and both brilliant. I used to be a law clerk and & visited a Prison ss part of a prisoner visit for evidence to the client. The atmosphere alone was scary enough, it reeked of frustration, immediate trouble, charged up testosterone waiting to explode! I couldn't imagine being inside. Just absolute hell and i 'seen it' effectively from the 'outside'.
I love how as a pensioner after her lunch at 12 she still does a count out of habit...of ppl on top of the bus. I wish her and wife all the best of retirement!
I am a support worker. I like to help others and do what I can and build warm trusting relationships. In my spare time I like to indulge in true crime. And I could not go to work every day in a prison and be nice to women and men who had done unspeakable things to others and killed. Especially to children. There's a lot that don't even warrant the front pages. Too many of them.
Some people are just “right” for a role. It doesn’t make the job easier, but the just have the right personality/ outlook on life to be perfect for the role. You know she would have supported her team but would have ensure the prisoners were looked after correctly.
I love this Gov. It is right to observe that support- education, medical, Social- follow up to help those with vulnerabilities who are inclined to return to the environment which supported the behavior that landed them in prison, find another way.
I hope a HMP PrisonGovernor didn't just refer as Spice as a soft drug because as an active screw 'Yes boo away😅' Spice is no soft drug in thr slightest some of the most horrible things I have seen have been behind prison walls and Spice used to be one of the leading factors.. Good video 👍🏻
@@oreomonster179 Sorry for late reply 😂, yes as an officer it's terrifying to deal with nothing works on them to restraint them it's like handling a zombie and preventing them from attacking and spitting haha
She said something that reminded me of a joke😆 How many psychologists does it take to change a light bulb? ONE!!! But the light bulb has to want to change 🤘🏴
I seriously considered becoming a CO or a prison nurse at one time and I totally agree with working with the men over the women. Women are too much and I'm a woman lol. Love this series so much.
One of my sons works in an Ontario jail and tells me that the prison installed netting over the exercise yards ( and any other outside spaces accessible by inmates) to prevent drones dropping "drug" supplies.............................
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Could listen to this lady and her stories for hours.
Me too. Great video
You should read her book. Such an interesting lady.
Lady ??
@@emilyandrews-gd9sj Is this a woman ?
@@lionheart4552yes. Vanessa Frake. Former head of security in Scrubs
I LOVE how she seamlessly called both Rose West and Mira Hindley nothing special. I agree with her, they weren’t notorious, they weren’t nothing special. Just cruel individuals
Exactly not special very much loosers of world very forgettable.
It’s wild how much societies sensationalize these people. I always thought it was creepy.
When I was in the Police we had a female prisoner in our cells one day and I was talking with her. she had been at Cookham Wood Prison and knew Myra Hindley. She was in raptures abouther.. I thought then from what she told me.. no. .that woman is a manipulator.. gettingother female prisoners to like her.
@@mileysong1117Losers.😉
Bruh my dad had Fred west in has bed as a child he was meant too fix the boiler or something and just sat and spoke too my dad on his bed and then when my grandma asked him too work he started and when she left he just got up and went idk the authenticity of this story and also my dads now a druggys so idk but he told me this prior years ago and so did his mum on multiple occasions
Love what ladbible is doing with this content lately. Raising so much awareness on so many interesting topics that alot of us never even think about or consider. To go from where this channel started to what it is now is exactly the kind of positive growth that this world needs and I love to see it. Keep up the good work!
It's true. Listening to these lives is fascinating.
So true and the content is so interesting too I never get bored watching.
Fantastic channel. Kinda reminds me of SoftWhiteUnderbelly. Glad I stumbled upon it. Definitely prefer yall’s “gangsters” compared to ours.
Would be much better though if they focused on this content rather than celebrities eating snacks etc
@@louieo.blevinsmusic4197better than swub. They've gotten so bloodthirsty
I adore this woman. Great speaker and so informative but obviously really really cares about people. Fab!!!
She is fascinating! Could listen to everything she remembers!😂
She’s written a book - I got it on Audible - she narrates it herself and it’s really good
@@sylviawilliamson4195 I'm going to buy that book. I've often wondered what happens in prison. It was 2 years ago that I bumped into somebody I hadn't seen for a long time. We went for coffee and she told me she had just spent 9 months in prison. It wasn't for a violent offence but she was released early for good behaviour. She had been terrified, but quickly settled in. She got a job there and was determined to get through without complaint. She only had good things to say about her experience. It's fascinating.
This lady is a realist, but also has a heart. Incredible experience prisons need more people like her as the leader. Should write a book one day. Oh forgot the most important she looks after her team and recognizes and acts when they need it. This is no easy job, no matter if you are governor or officer.
This woman can definitely present/tell her stories elsewhere/mainstream media. She told each story very well and kept my attention from start to finish. Kudos to her 👍
I could listen to Vanessa talk all day tbh. She's absolutely fascinating and just as adorable.
Would you ?
What a woman!
The world needs more ladies like this!
Would you ?
What a wonderful, wonderful person this is. She is remarkable and she is what society needs today. Thank you
Great Content! Vanessa Frake is one tough lady! Hats off to her! Awesome!
I was just going to ask what her surname was
This was such a fascinating interview. I could listen to her stories all day long.
I positively adore this woman. I could listen to her speak for years on end. She’s exactly the person that we need on these advisory boards making recommendations for prisons/jails etc.
I loved her book, every minute of it. She’s awsome, I’d love to have a tea with her, I could listen to her stories all day. She inspired me to retry to join the prison service in my country.
Why?
@@belindahutchinson5333Duh
See if you can arrange a tour of a prison some time. I've worked in a prison and I had no problems with it whatsoever but my previous boss did a walk around tour as part of a job application and it set off all kinds of claustrophobia he didn't know he had. I work well with routine and clear rules but not everyone can handle the pretty intense rules either. It can also mess with people's heads how you have to be on the lookout for manipulation all the time. A woman I work with worked in the court service and that was enough to make her a bit paranoid. Meanwhile I live around the corner from a probation office and an approved premises for people on parole. I have to just accept that it is just a part of life that I have criminals living nearby and not let it bother me. Not everyone can just get on with their day once they know what kind of people are just walking around, going about their daily lives.
@@belindahutchinson5333 Have to say, I asked the same question lol. After hearing her stories I have tremendous respect for what she has had to go through at her job, and for helping keeping things in check in our prison - it's a very vital role, but I am really grateful this is not my job after having heard her talk about
I could listen to her speak all day! Someone make a documentary about her job and life , urgently!!
What an absolute legend. Some people just seem perfectly formed to do the job they end up doing. She's one of them.
Such a great watch. I could watch her speak for hours. Her knowledge, stories and passion. Great interview
She did a podcast with jack mates happy hour one of the best podcasts I’ve ever heard! Give it a watch
@@beth_galliena2463 just looking for the episode. I'll give it a listen
@@beth_galliena2463 found it.
Episode 429 23rd Nov 23
Thank you to Vanessa for taking part! You can follow her on Instagram at @vfh12, and buy her book here - amzn.eu/d/dc46jSq
I very much liked watching this lady. What a hero and nice character. Thank you LADbible for the content
I always enjoy the interviews with this lady. She is a wealth of knowledge!
best interview i've listened to in years and years
What a beautiful soul. If only the entire prison system could exist through her perspective.
I greatly appreciate how educational this was. Thank you
I've watched this lady on several TH-cam documentaries... she is amazing and really knows the prison system and the inmates inside out. I think she has an OBE or MBE. That's how her service has been recognised ...
Great lady
She is great and she knows exactly what is going on and what she is talking about.
Thank you, Vanessa, for your service. You made a difference. Those of us who are retired relate to your feeling of being lost when our careers end...it takes time to figure out the next chapter. If I may be so bold, I would suggest that you go on the speakers circuit. It is very lucrative, part time and it would help you to continue to inform the public about your life's work and lessons learned which is a very worthy purpose, indeed. Thanks to Ladbible for this interview. One of the best ever.
Vanessa is an absolute legend, I would like to thank her for the service she provided and wish her all best in her life going forward. If you've not read her book please do so. I applaud her service to society x
Thank you for constantly providing insight and perspective. This is the content that matters for society.
I too worked for HMP. Not an easy job but I would like to think I made a difference with the particular type of prisoners we had.
Love her stories! Could listen to her all day!
" we used to call her auntie rose, not to her her face but she just looked like someones auntie" 😂😂
Fantastic interview
I could listen to her talk all day, really nice woman and fascinating stories to tell. I bet she has loads to tell
This channel just gets better and better.
Really enjoying the recent content, keep it up!
Fantastic video, really enjoyed it 🙏🏾🙏🏾
Thanks for this Fabulous! upload. I loved listening to you Vanessa. Congratulations on getting your MBE. My Best wishes to you for the Future. 🎉
Well done LADbible for giving these amazing people a platform. Top content!!! A*
What a legend! Brilliant interview, keep going with this excellent work 🎉
What a fascinating person. I've no experience in Vanessa Frake's world, but she gave such an interesting, if only scratching the surface, insight into it. I really enjoyed this video and that she clearly cares for her charges, in a tough but fair fashion.
Thanks. Looking forward to exploring more of this series.
Edit: for feedback, I'd really be interested in hearing more from her.
wish it was longer could watch her all day
Very good interview!
She’s an amazing woman doing a very difficult job. I admire her.
Dentistry Is a difficult job If you're not a dentist.
God bless you sweetheart… I’ve watched both this and the video where she answered questions. Amazing and very interesting lady
0:52 'Meeting people, quite structured', savage!
I think Vanessa is great, loved listening to her stories and her book
Listening to this lady is amazing. I used to be a prison chaplain in the London prisons and two of the prisons I worked at were Holloway and Wormwood Scrubs. I visited the other London prisons too as I covered a minority faith. I really enjoyed working with the prisoners; it was definitely the best part of the job, however, one of the female prisoners I worked with killed herself and that was so terribly sad. It stays with me even now so many years later. And it's true, there was no after care. I carried such a lot of awful feelings for so long over that.
22 minutes
is insufficient.
😉
doesn’t do her justice.!
two hours plus
i once saw an interview with this gem of a lady.
now that
was a phenomenal interview.!
fascinating
is an understatement.
😃😉
* note to self -
i must fetch her book.
✌🏻🌏🇦🇺🤘🏻
Fantastic Interview!
incredible stories!
What a strong, wonderful lady. Could listen to her speak for hours.
What a lovely person
Brilliant lady. X
Great interview! Very interesting. Loved hearing her.
I respect this lady. She's done a difficult job and seems to have done it professionally. Great work, Vanessa!Q
She’s absolutely right. The ‘system’ regardless of where it operates doesn’t want outspoken staff in positions of authority. Why? Because they’re brutally honest for one, and two, they invariably soften up bad news with a workable solution, but when it’s not implemented “because it couldn’t be, there’s no way how” they’d offer up an opinion on the fact they they had personally presented a workable solution when highlighting the issue, and *NOBODY* wants to ever hear that kind of truth, particularly in front of a subordinate. When people tell you they appreciate honesty, what they actually mean is “I’m a compulsive liar, don’t ever presume to suggest anything UP the hierarchal ladder, shit flows down from above” - I learned this 10 minutes before resigning from a Potential Officer Candidate course as a young REME Lance-Jack in 1991 and accepting immediate promotion to substantive Full-Screw on Pay Of Higher Rank for a Local Acting Sergeant position. It’s how the world works. If you’re exceptional at what you choose to do you’ll be passed over for promotion that will go to incompetent and witless cretins more times than you can count. Play the game, not the system, you cannot win. Even if you think you can by changing it from the inside, by the time you get where you need to be you will be equally as corrupt as those you set out to rid the system of, and worse, you won’t even realise what you’ve become. Take a good look at your CEO and ask yourself why you’ve not already asked yourself “How did such a wanker ever get to be the CEO?” - it’s not a diehard rule, but it’s certainly a majority one. You won’t get near - and if you do, remember who you were when you set off on your quest, not who you became on the way to making it there. Nothing to do with any specific person or system, it’s just life, and politics. It’s always about the politics, especially if you’re a politician and in charge of making up legislation that governs politics. (David Cameron on Tony Blair, a long time ago, which he completely forgot about and of whom he idolised when he got there instead) allegedly, I wouldn’t know, I’m just an ordinary squirrel.
l could listen to this all day.she was born to work in the prison service also read her book very interesting.
Burns me when people talk about behaving like an “animal” or treated like an “animal”. If you treat your animal bad, you deserve prison and as far as behaviour goes…..well humans win bad behaviour hands down
What an episode !!!!
Commenting to boost the algorithm! Absolutely loving this conent!!
Hero. Please know you did an incredible job. I am so grateful to have seen your interview. Hope your life outside gives you a break and you can enjoy your family. Make sure to get support if you start noticing your head is giving you sh*t. Wish the best.
Very moved by this woman's strength of character and humanity.
What an amazing lady , I bet she was brilliant at her job. Efficient but fair. And has the kind of strength needed for her job.
We thank you for your work
This woman is a legend. More balls than me and talks a lot of sense. It’s funny what she said about male prisoners behaving better towards her than the female ones, as the first thing I thought was that I’d rather work with male prisoners. Every job I’ve had, it’s been my fellow women who have been the issue, never the men!
I love this woman. Born for the life journey she took 💯%
What a legend!!
Looks a tough govenor no pushover all prisons should be visited to see the state there in which prisoners have to live in they never see the bad parts prisoners do rhey would be shut down straight away
As a former CO with PTSD, from a facility with zero support for staff, this hits. There really is a lot that the public eye doesn't see. With that said, there is a lot you don't even see yourself until it is too late. Once you get out, you never actually "get out", that choice becomes a mindset. Keep Battling. Day by day, we get better.
This Lady is formidable x
Very interesting woman, I bet she could tell a lot more interesting stories.
Wow she is a great speaker, very descriptive. Very interesting lady.
This was so good she’s brilliant
A very interesting and wise person. Great video!
Just listened to Vanessa’s audio book . I recommend it if you like the subject of prisons.
Could listen for hours - thank u
I love Vanessa Frake! She's awesome, a great intellect speaking fine commonse sense humanity!
Brilliant interview...
what a champion person!
What an interesting and decent woman. She seems really honest and open
I like this woman - was good for the job. Smart, effective - and matter of fact nothing ot hide. She would be good to review reforms that work and those that don’t.
I was friends with female Salvation Army officer. She worked in the prison with both male and female prisoners. She told me she preferred working with the men, they were polite with her where as the females were rude spoke dirty all the time.
True!
Thanks for sharing, shared.
I love this woman. She’s so unlike me, in a lot of ways I wish I wasn’t such a wimp - I’d love to be as brave as her. She’s so incredible.
What a grounded and string woman she is! She has more balls than most dudes out there, seriously. Respect!
Watched this womans 2 videos and both brilliant. I used to be a law clerk and & visited a Prison ss part of a prisoner visit for evidence to the client. The atmosphere alone was scary enough, it reeked of frustration, immediate trouble, charged up testosterone waiting to explode! I couldn't imagine being inside. Just absolute hell and i 'seen it' effectively from the 'outside'.
I love how as a pensioner after her lunch at 12 she still does a count out of habit...of ppl on top of the bus. I wish her and wife all the best of retirement!
Amazing story. What a woman
A woman ??
@@lionheart4552 yes a woman
I am a support worker. I like to help others and do what I can and build warm trusting relationships. In my spare time I like to indulge in true crime. And I could not go to work every day in a prison and be nice to women and men who had done unspeakable things to others and killed. Especially to children. There's a lot that don't even warrant the front pages. Too many of them.
I really like her! I like the way she carries herself. Much respect 🫡
Fabulous woman - well done for all your achievements
Some people are just “right” for a role. It doesn’t make the job easier, but the just have the right personality/ outlook on life to be perfect for the role. You know she would have supported her team but would have ensure the prisoners were looked after correctly.
I love this Gov. It is right to observe that support- education, medical, Social- follow up to help those with vulnerabilities who are inclined to return to the environment which supported the behavior that landed them in prison, find another way.
I hope a HMP PrisonGovernor didn't just refer as Spice as a soft drug because as an active screw 'Yes boo away😅' Spice is no soft drug in thr slightest some of the most horrible things I have seen have been behind prison walls and Spice used to be one of the leading factors.. Good video 👍🏻
My neighbour takes it and is delusional it’s terrifying the stuff he’s done 😩
@@oreomonster179 Sorry for late reply 😂, yes as an officer it's terrifying to deal with nothing works on them to restraint them it's like handling a zombie and preventing them from attacking and spitting haha
It would be interesting if someone today interviewed Myra Hindley and asked her what her story was and why she was a part of those heinous crimes.
Kay. Don't you know that Myra Hindley died in prison about 20 years ago.
She said something that reminded me of a joke😆
How many psychologists does it take to change a light bulb?
ONE!!! But the light bulb has to want to change
🤘🏴
Haha 😂
Oh I love listening to frakes tales 🎉
LOVE her. What a great, totally clear eyed individual. Fantastic.
I’ve performed at the Holloway prison. I was part of a dance performance for the prisoners. It was quite an experience!
I seriously considered becoming a CO or a prison nurse at one time and I totally agree with working with the men over the women. Women are too much and I'm a woman lol. Love this series so much.
One of my sons works in an Ontario jail and tells me that the prison installed netting over the exercise yards ( and any other outside spaces accessible by inmates) to prevent drones dropping "drug" supplies.............................