7:03 Pierro met Tsaritsa before he met Zandik Description of the Plume of death (Wise Doctor's Pinion) from the Pale Flame set: "Following a trail of rumors of heresy, the first of the Fatui tracked him down... "Merely an enhanced human? If your great nation can furnish me with sufficient resources and ample time, I could even manufacture that which you would call a god. What say you?" In the desert that shone bright like liquid gold, he inquired of the *Snezhnayan* diplomat: "Will you treat me like the Akademiya did? Will you call me a monster, a madman?" "Or will you treat me as my hometown did, and chase me away with pitchforks and clubs...?" Pierro was already a Snezhnayan diplomat, before he recruited Zandik
@@DragonMJE Watching that part again, I still don't think this changes much about what you said regarding Pierro and Salsa. The only difference is that Dottore would have joined slightly later (he is 500 years old so he is almost certainly one of the founding members).
@@DragonMJE Like someone else already pointed out, this barely changes anything. The only difference is that Pierro knew the Tsaritsa (likely from when the Archons went to Knaehri'ah) before the stuff you mentioned. Remember that Dottore is extremely old by human standards and when Pierro met him he was still a "young man" which means it must have been a few months after the destruction of Khaenri'ah and likely before the Fatui itself was even an established thing.
@@NatureWatcher343 Yeah, I know. I did mention that Salsa's quest isn't necessarily a 1:1 recreation of the Fatui's foundation... Furthermore, this Ubu guy could either reference Celestia or even a rebellion that took place against the Royal Family of Khaenri'ah (which would be more akin to Macbeth) that eventually led to the disaster.
Even before this comment I was thinking that Paimon more likely represents Columbina since (besides the obvious design similarities) she seems like she would be a far older and more involved member than Dottore who is just there for his experiments. She would have been the second at the time.
"Signora hates Tartaglia, Arlecchino hates Tartaglia, Scaramouche hates Tarta- ok, everyone hates Tartaglia." 😭😭💀💀 really good video by the way. i never caught those similarities
8:56 This actually might mean that the fall of Khaenr'ah is inspired by Macbeth, which adds yet another layer to the major inspirations of Genshin's story.
I didn't belived that I needed to clarify this, but thanks to Arlechinnos rank reveal we are 100% sure that Pierro is just the Director, Capitano is the first, and we have a missing harbinger in the 10th seat. This because we know the other seats thanks to Tartaglia's and Wanderer's dialogues, and even have a confirmation from Tartaglia that Capitano *can't* be the 10th, and therfore, he can only be the 1st.
@@AndrewsMobs Once again, Tartaglia exactly says "He *was* the first and now he is the director". Would it be accurate to call him 0? Kinda but Director sounds a lot better.
Regarding what you said about the power level of Salsa, Aether, and Paimon compared to Capitano, Pierro, and Dottore: Dottore would logically be weaker than Pierro and Capitano right now, however, he is attempting to create a True God after which he might become the strongest person within the Fatui... Just like how Paimon is currently very weak but could potentially become stronger than Salsa and the Traveler when she reobtains her true form.
I don't know man, traveler is a fallen, and teyvat is run by a fallen, and the moons were created by a fallen one, a creation surpassing someone comparable to its creator doesn't seem very likely 😅
I see that I m not the only one who thought about Salsa and its analogy with Pierrot. And something that is also interesting about it is that, if you pay attention to everything that Salsa says about the artifacts and gadgets that take away the beauty of Fontain, it could be another analogy to how Celestia has filled Teyvat with Nails and most likely the Teleports They are their work, to have control of the Ley Lines, since each one is placed on one. It is also striking that she talks about an evil Organization, which reminded me of two scenes from the manga, the first is when Venti talks about Celestia and he seems upset when remembering three mysterious figures and the second is when Vanesa ascends and for a moment We see its interior, which looks like a kind of prison. Which could suggest that evidently those of Celstia, whether Phanes and his 4 Shades or the Second Who Came, are not as "good" as they seem.
another point on the jester being number 0 of the fatui is that in wanderers voice lines he talks about the harbingers in this order The jester The captain The Doctor (no.2) The Damselette(no.3) The knave (no.4) The roster Wanderer(no.6)(its not in the voice lines because its him talking but we know he is number 6) The marionette(no.7) Signora(no.8) (again not in voice lines cuz Rip bozo) The regrator(no.9) Blank Childe(no.11) Im probably late on this but I only just now checked his voice lines because of this video also some of the numbers I got from childes voice lines as well, and childe has the same order with the same missing names, wanderer/scara, signora/dead, and number 10.
Im sorry but you are so spot on! This makes perfect sense. Il Capitano is probably the strongest mortal in Teyvat. The idea of the story of the Fatui being inspired by Macbeth is so interresting and add another layer to them.
Strongest individual makes no sense in terms of plot or logic. He isn't even the strongest Harbinger (Pierro is), otherwise he would be leading the Harbingers. @@HighwayStar666.
Pierro leads an organisation based on strength, enough said. You really think someone like Capitano would accept being led by someone weaker than him? Good joke @@HighwayStar666.
WOW This is so cool-- I thought I was tripping balls when Salsa said that she's 0, Traveler is 1, Paimon is 2. I LITERALLY took a picture and sent it to my friends with the caption "Fatui moment" BUT YOU CONNECTED ALL THE DOTS THIS IS INSANE....
Another theory that came up in our discussion about this that I thought was interesting Salsa = Dragon King (0) Travaler = The Primordial One (1) Paimon = The Second Who Came (2) But I like the fatui one better lol
As I understood, Rukh was and Buer is the Avatar of Irminsul, so they are Irminsul, but "trees" (let's call so) grown from branches, that are still the same tree, but with different fate, so more logical will be that both - Rukh and Nahida both are Buer, cos they are same "tree", but with separate "tree trunk", fate....
That said, viewers struggling to keep up with your speaking speed could try viewing at 0.75x speed. It does not distort your annunciation and allows more time to process what is spoken
As others have said: those talking about your talking speed are just a vocal minority. Many of us, myself included, have different neurodivergence’s that honestly require a faster talking pace to comprehend things. I usually get frustrated because someone isn’t talking FAST ENOUGH. That is very pleasantly and refreshingly not experienced with your videos. I can actually just sit back and enjoy them instead of making comprehension and active task. Don’t feel the need to change, there is plenty more like us out there ☺️
(i have adhd) for me to completely follow the topics in the videos i sometimes have to put to 0.75 speed and rewind multiple times (only bc i like genshin lmaooo, sometimes i put youtube videos on x2 if im not obsessed) . any time there is more than 5 names i cant remember who they are/their significance in the next sentence loooool... so. for me, some better visuals that connect one point to the next (or eg a visual showing the conclusion and the related evidence or allegory or real life inspo) would help the most i think. this video was quite easy to follow because the parallels are quite easy to see without any evidence. (1x speed) but yeah, sometimes i'm a 0.75x speed viewer, and i dont mind staying that way so agree with ur comment !!
I just wanna add another allegory, I feel like the fortress of meropide and fontaine is an analogy for teyvat and the universe genshin in. If the fortress is guarding a secret of the hydro archon and the defacto leader is building a Noah's ark, maybe the real gods in the genshin universe build teyvat to guard a secret and the whole teyvat is like a Noah's ark.
I like where you took this theory, but I also think its plausible you got the characters mixed up. Ubu representing the Adventures Guild, which is an association-like guild that works on tasks all over Teyvat brining order would be closer analogous to the Abyssal Order. The Abyssal Order takes a similar role to the Adventures guild as its opposite foil in trying to disrupt Teyvat's order instead of ordering Teyvat's. I agree, Salsa a analogous to Pierro. And if this is the case, I think the Traveler would be represented by the Abyssal sibling, but instead of siding with Salsa/Pierro, they sided with Abyssal Order that would be analogous to Ubu. This is better analogy, because while Salsa perceives the Adventures Guild as a threat/opposition, the Adventurous Guild has little awareness or care for her actions, much like the Abyssal Order with regards to the Futui Harbingers, as far as we know. Edit: Forgot to mention, that while Salsa perceives the Adventurous Guild as evil opposition, both organizations have similar aspirations to improve Teyvat/Fontaine. This is also very analogous to how Pierro's organization and the Abyssal Order have similar goals with Teyvat, in getting rid of Celestia's position.
That's pretty much confirmed. Here is the ranking: Number 0: Pierro Number 1: Capitano Number 2: Dottore The above three are the strongest of the Harbingers.
Oo really cool connection. Genshin lore theory brain expanded after watching this The paimon-dottore connection might be bc dottore wants humanity to evolve and paimon might be an evolved god
I think the people asking you to slow down the speed at which you speak are a loud minority. Obviously, at the end of the day, it is your decision on how you make your videos but I think the faster the better since Genshin generally has a lot of information to get through.
I think it's because the genshin playerbase is international 🤔so maybe the people complaining don't have English as their first or even second language so it gets harder for them to understand.... idk I'm just grasping at straws
@@DefinitelyNotAFerret yeah, you're right. english is my second language and even tho i understand him i sometimes have to replay what he said cause i didn't translate it in my brain fast enough.
I personally think the speed at which you talk in your previous videos is fine because otherwise, those videos would be twice as long, and therefore, not even be viewed by the very people telling you to slow down.
@@DragonMJEme too, i prefer your fast-paced talking! it makes it easier to understand somehow, and no matter what there's always the speed change option. people could play the video slower if they need to.
4:30 dude, who's going to debate that? Theater is literally one of the seven arts, arguing that theater isn't art is like arguing movies aren't art, that music isn't art 😅
you make a lot of good points, but I feel having a list of keypoints to mention in the video would make it feel a little less all over the place. good video
What I think about the Gods of Teyvat (Authorities of the dragons) they have been willingfully giving their gnosises (connection to celestia at this point) away to Fatui without much hesitation. They would prefer it that way. I think one way or another they (gods) themselves are as much slaves to Celestia as their people. Having that said, we can see Furina basically dependent on Neuvilette for protection and in some way I believe that Furina will sacrifice herself to return Neuvilette to his full power. Neuvillette protects Furina despite him knowing that her death benefits him already tell us the physical form of current Furina doesnt hold her power or authority and some kind of planned alliance was previously made between the Neuvillette previous incarnation and Focalors to keep the status quo for appearances until the right moment. Neuvillette will Destroy both Fatui and Celestia. I can see Apep joining the party there with Nahida in the future.
Neuvilette gets clapped by fatui and celestia Pierro or Capitano is overkill already.He weakened and young, dragons power based on age by nahida's second quest.7 primordial dragons and nibelung which by far ,leagues stronger than neuvilette lose ro phanes and his shades with tons of forbidden knowledge and numerical superiority, and probably vishaps army.
Cope.It's not a fact that he can pass Capitano in prime or any other top 3 and Pierro,let alone whole fatui and celestia.Furina is unlikely to sacrifice/die since she is an archon and playable, popular character, genshin is unlikely do this, and the role of Neuvilette is not so big and does not make sense for all the developing events that lead us to the battle and the probable overthrow of Celestia by Fatui
@@Mindontcompute this theory is cope and it is a fact.And oh how mature of you to call me genshin kid when I just disagreed with the theory and called it cope for a number of reasons, perhaps it's you who rile up on anything so easily?
@@painkiller3232 you are in fact a Genshin kid and in that animosity you are addressing. Like a kid who cannot in fact “cope” with the reality that what you conceive in your brain to be truth about a topic is not factual. This is a game. Well, in truth is a monetization device disguised as a game but that’s another topic. You started your sentence in the most passive aggressive way and proceeded to explain an opinion as a factual statement when in reality, we dont know who will have more power than who or what’s going to happen down the line. I have as much of a right as you to express my opinion. You like a kid would, get triggered because what I said doesnt fit into your narrative. So you have to act like an ass. In fact, most of what I said come from the story and Neuvilette ascension to lvl 90. You would know if you had him. There is a time in life when you are young and stupid but down the line you get older and wiser. Your expression doesnt come from a wise place. Have a nice one kid.
Hi everyone! I want to know some info about Tsaritsa how powerful is she, background, why she decide to create group Harbinger, and her plans please answer Thank you💓
Given the constant mentions of the enormous Capitano's power which is significantly superior to others, it makes sense for him to be the strongest, after all, the leaks, spoilers, say that he is - the strongest fatui and leads snezhnaya's army, it's strongest army in teyvat, and he not only the strongest fatui but the strongest in Teyvat, it remains to wait, and i can't wait to see him in Natlan
Them being part of Tevyat is irrelevant, it's about who is the strongest IN Tevyat. Also I keep hearing of this "they may not be in Tevyat now" a lot now, did I miss something? Also if Capitano was stronger than Zhongli or Ei they would have just sent him to steal the gnosis from them, instead they negotiated. @@Who-el2dn
@AndrewsMobs it change anything you said, venti case is literally mentioned, the fact that that they didn't send Capitano or Piero or another from top 3 to take it by force doenst mean they can't do it
I disagree with Capitano being the Bloodstained Knight. The Bloodstained Knight pledged his allegiance to the Abyss. As far as we know, the Fatui and the Abyss are not aligned.
@@AndrewsMobs "Deep in the abyss, where celestial bodies cast no light, the Bloodstained Knight kept this timepiece, though time had lost all meaning. At an end was the Bloodstained Knight's story, for he realized there was no place for him on this earth. He ventured into the fallen ancient kingdom, and died in battle in the monsters' lair. At the bottom of the world, he learned the origin of the monsters that destroyed the ancient kingdom. "The ancient kingdom was wrongfully cursed," "Turning its inhabitants into monsters." "The code of chivalry tolerates not such injustice." "If Abyss be thy name, I pledge to you my loyalty." ~ Bloodstained Final Hour (Bloodstained Chivalry Sands)
Got to love how self centered people are "i can understand/keep up with everything so it's fine, fuck everyone else". Yes, let's not take into consideration that he is talking about complex topics with uncommon words and that english isn't everyone's first language. Most self absorbed comment section i've seen in awhile, people telling you to ignore other viewers just because it doesn't affect them, are why being selfish became a cultural trait in a lot of societies.
@@AndrewsMobs There is also a speed up option on here, what's your point ? Oh yea, you aren't trying to make any, you're just another disingenuous prick that thinks he is funny :)
I think your talking speed is ok, you can watch videos at lower speed. Also Salsa's parents are scientists and Salsa is supposed to be Pierro, so was Pierro scientist, mage in Khaenria?
@@wxndaz I've heard that statement thrown around but I have a problem with it. The top 3 being "on the level of Gods" assumes that the God's are on the same level. They don't appear to be. Are they on Nahida, Venti, or (post curse) Furina's level? Or are they Morax and Ei's level? There are some Archons that seem to be implied to be lower than Childe's (#th's) level, while Ei oneshots (an albeit weakened) Signora (#8). It's a very vague statement. I know very little is known about the Cryo Archons actual identity/strength but she's often described as "soft". There's also the fact that her minions are doing ALL the heavy lifting thus far. When you think of all of the relatively powerful Archons, they tend to me more hands on. If the term refers to the strength of the "Original 7" though, the statement can be a LOT more streamlined, as the strength diff between the original 7 appears to be much smaller (especially since Venti was is his prime then). However, I'd have a hard time believing the current Cryo Archon holds a candle to: Peak Zhongli, peak Venti, Ei (ik Makoto was the original Electro Archon but she always leaned on Ei's Strength), Rukkhadevata, Egeria, and the others. Let alone the top 3 Harbingers. Time will tell I guess. But of now, I don't think that statement provides any useful info until they elaborate further.
Based on context we can assume that "on the level of gods" is referring to the strongest of gods. That being said I don't think the top 3 are stronger than Ei let alone Zhongli. Also the rankings are about the current era, so although Tsaritsa isn't as strong as Zhongli or even Ei she should still be stronger than every other archon with the possible exception of Murata. @@TridentH20
@@AndrewsMobs Unfortunately, as of now, we are just left with assumptions and speculations. Her strength is still unknown. All signs (at least the way I've interpreted them) seem to suggest that the Cryo Archon weaker than 3+ of her own harbingers. I'd argue more or maybe even all of them but at this point it's un-falsify-able. Claims that can't be proven or disproven make for rather poor debates. Also, I am patiently waiting to see the full power of Focalors, I'm convinced she's hiding something huge.
Focalors is definitely weaker than the Tsaritsa which is why Neuv asked the traveller to basically protect her in the event that the fourth rank does try something funny. The Tsaritsa is not only 500 years old but also leads a massive nation and seems to be worshipped unlike Focalors, that's a lot of time for an archon to accumulate power. Based on the information we have we can assume that the Tsaritsa is the third strongest archon maybe fourth behind Murata the god of war. @@TridentH20
What if it was an even more accurate allegory? What if Pierre had in fact first met the abyss twin in place of Salsa meeting our traveler? Also, I really love the way you speak so fast! It helps me take in the information more easily, my mind always wanders off when other lore TH-camrs narrate slowly and fail to connect their pieces.
I don't think you talk too fast, I always watch at 2x speed. The numbers theory checks out, but I don't think there's any link between power levels. I was under the impression that Khaenri'ah destroyed itself, Celestia just intervened to take out the Abyss monsters and seal the portals, not to destroy Khaenri'ah, which was already destroyed by the monsters and Abyssal corruption before the Archons got there. Morax is not a dragon lol, it's in the established lore that he can take many forms. The best theory I saw is that he's the Shade of Life, his golden powers do far more than just deal with Geo energy. It doesn't make sense for Celestia to be against humanity, the whole reason humans are here is because Celestia is tasked with protecting them. That's like a Prime Directive for Celestia, so even if something went wrong with it, that should still be its primary goal.
Yet Celestia destroyed Sal Valnygr or whatever it was called for no reason. There is no "prime directive" for Celestia, that's just your headcanon. This also assumes the Primordial one won the second major war which we have no reason to believe.
@@AndrewsMobs Celestia didn't destroy Sal Vindagnyr, they sent a Nail to get rid of the corruption that blanketed the land after Durin's blood (which was pure abyssal corruption) soaked the land. Sal Vindagnyr was destroyed when Durin attacked and when the corrupted blood ruined the land, the Nail mended the destruction but in turn caused an unnatural frost to occur. Maybe learn the actual lore before criticizing others. The 2nd who came is clearly not in control of Celestia and is nowhere to be seen. I think it's safe to assume that Phanes won at great cost, or that at least both sides were defeated.
I checked the wiki just now and you got the order of events wrong lol, here: "One day, she had a prophetic dream of a black dragon filling the land with a cloud of scarlet poison, and she took it as an omen of doom" This was right around the time Celestia dropped a nail for some reason: "Either around the same time or perhaps afterward, the Skyfrost Nail fell from Celestia for unknown reasons. This caused the city to be shrouded by clouds and mist, and causing snowstorms throughout the region." Sal Vind was already destroyed by this point: "Sometime after the disaster, Imunlaukr returned from his fruitless search, only to discover that everyone had already died. This discovery left him disillusioned with Celestia, and he vowed to "help [them] pass the time with a song of iron and blood," leaving Sal Vindagnyr in search of a land full of war for him to fight in." Durin came WAY afterwards: "During the cataclysm five hundred years ago, the princess' dream came true: the black, corrupted dragon Durin descended upon the land, where he was slain by Dvalin and his corrosive powers sealed using Vindagnyr's unnatural cold. As Durin's blood flowed into the land, the undying white tree spread its roots to absorb it" Sal Vind fell around the beginning of Khaenri'ah, Durin came during the end of Khaenri'ah, this was a nation that lasted a very long time mind you. Looks like you should take your own lesson. Also Phanes was said to love humanity, clearly current Celestia does not, there is no evidence that he made a sudden u-turn when it comes to personality, only that a war with another being occured, so it's reasonable to assume he lost the war. That also explains Celestia's current and recent past irrational behaviour. @@VeraldoAncodini
@@AndrewsMobs Except the wiki is wrong and your chain of events makes no sense. Maybe learn how a story works? Why would Durin attack an uninhabited place? Think before you write. Current Celestia is dormant, after Khaenri'ah, when they called the Archons to fight the abyssal invasion, Celestia has made no communications.
"Except the wiki is wrong and your chain of events makes no sense" The wiki cites its sources, which is the game. If you think that is wrong then you should make a comment informing the editors. Also it isn't "my" chain of events, it is simply copied and pasted from top of the wiki page to the bottom, the relevant information of course. "Maybe learn how a story works? Why would Durin attack an uninhabited place? Think before you write." Lmao, you're talking as if I wrote this story, maybe you should take that up with the genshin writers and tell them that they are writing their story wrong lol. Guess this is your coping mechanism after being proven wrong. @@VeraldoAncodini
I don't think it's so crazy that Pierro may be stronger than the Tsaritsa therefore making him the strongest in Snezhnaya. We already have three nations where the archons are far from the strongest of their respective nation, those being Mondstat, Sumeru and Fontaine. Only two nations have their archons being the strongest by far, those being Liyue and Inazuma (Does this have some deeper meaning?).
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7:03 Pierro met Tsaritsa before he met Zandik
Description of the Plume of death (Wise Doctor's Pinion) from the Pale Flame set:
"Following a trail of rumors of heresy, the first of the Fatui tracked him down...
"Merely an enhanced human? If your great nation can furnish me with sufficient resources and ample time, I could even manufacture that which you would call a god. What say you?"
In the desert that shone bright like liquid gold, he inquired of the *Snezhnayan* diplomat:
"Will you treat me like the Akademiya did? Will you call me a monster, a madman?"
"Or will you treat me as my hometown did, and chase me away with pitchforks and clubs...?"
Pierro was already a Snezhnayan diplomat, before he recruited Zandik
Thanks for pointing it out.
@@DragonMJE Watching that part again, I still don't think this changes much about what you said regarding Pierro and Salsa. The only difference is that Dottore would have joined slightly later (he is 500 years old so he is almost certainly one of the founding members).
@@DragonMJE Like someone else already pointed out, this barely changes anything. The only difference is that Pierro knew the Tsaritsa (likely from when the Archons went to Knaehri'ah) before the stuff you mentioned. Remember that Dottore is extremely old by human standards and when Pierro met him he was still a "young man" which means it must have been a few months after the destruction of Khaenri'ah and likely before the Fatui itself was even an established thing.
@@NatureWatcher343 Yeah, I know. I did mention that Salsa's quest isn't necessarily a 1:1 recreation of the Fatui's foundation... Furthermore, this Ubu guy could either reference Celestia or even a rebellion that took place against the Royal Family of Khaenri'ah (which would be more akin to Macbeth) that eventually led to the disaster.
Even before this comment I was thinking that Paimon more likely represents Columbina since (besides the obvious design similarities) she seems like she would be a far older and more involved member than Dottore who is just there for his experiments. She would have been the second at the time.
"Signora hates Tartaglia, Arlecchino hates Tartaglia, Scaramouche hates Tarta- ok, everyone hates Tartaglia."
😭😭💀💀
really good video by the way. i never caught those similarities
lmao the childe slander is hilarious 💀
8:56 This actually might mean that the fall of Khaenr'ah is inspired by Macbeth, which adds yet another layer to the major inspirations of Genshin's story.
Exactly
I didn't belived that I needed to clarify this, but thanks to Arlechinnos rank reveal we are 100% sure that Pierro is just the Director, Capitano is the first, and we have a missing harbinger in the 10th seat.
This because we know the other seats thanks to Tartaglia's and Wanderer's dialogues, and even have a confirmation from Tartaglia that Capitano *can't* be the 10th, and therfore, he can only be the 1st.
However Childe also calls Pierro as the first Harbinger, so Pierro is still considered as one, he has to be number 0.
@@AndrewsMobs Once again, Tartaglia exactly says "He *was* the first and now he is the director".
Would it be accurate to call him 0? Kinda but Director sounds a lot better.
That moment he laughed after saying "Salsa is a child!" Caught me off-guard 😅😂😂
Regarding what you said about the power level of Salsa, Aether, and Paimon compared to Capitano, Pierro, and Dottore: Dottore would logically be weaker than Pierro and Capitano right now, however, he is attempting to create a True God after which he might become the strongest person within the Fatui... Just like how Paimon is currently very weak but could potentially become stronger than Salsa and the Traveler when she reobtains her true form.
I don't know man, traveler is a fallen, and teyvat is run by a fallen, and the moons were created by a fallen one, a creation surpassing someone comparable to its creator doesn't seem very likely 😅
I see that I m not the only one who thought about Salsa and its analogy with Pierrot. And something that is also interesting about it is that, if you pay attention to everything that Salsa says about the artifacts and gadgets that take away the beauty of Fontain, it could be another analogy to how Celestia has filled Teyvat with Nails and most likely the Teleports They are their work, to have control of the Ley Lines, since each one is placed on one. It is also striking that she talks about an evil Organization, which reminded me of two scenes from the manga, the first is when Venti talks about Celestia and he seems upset when remembering three mysterious figures and the second is when Vanesa ascends and for a moment We see its interior, which looks like a kind of prison. Which could suggest that evidently those of Celstia, whether Phanes and his 4 Shades or the Second Who Came, are not as "good" as they seem.
another point on the jester being number 0 of the fatui is that in wanderers voice lines he talks about the harbingers in this order
The jester
The captain
The Doctor (no.2)
The Damselette(no.3)
The knave (no.4)
The roster
Wanderer(no.6)(its not in the voice lines because its him talking but we know he is number 6)
The marionette(no.7)
Signora(no.8) (again not in voice lines cuz Rip bozo)
The regrator(no.9)
Blank
Childe(no.11)
Im probably late on this but I only just now checked his voice lines because of this video also some of the numbers I got from childes voice lines as well, and childe has the same order with the same missing names, wanderer/scara, signora/dead, and number 10.
@@Shrekius I saw that as well but the comment was already too long so I left it out
Im sorry but you are so spot on! This makes perfect sense.
Il Capitano is probably the strongest mortal in Teyvat.
The idea of the story of the Fatui being inspired by Macbeth is so interresting and add another layer to them.
Strongest individual makes no sense in terms of plot or logic.
He isn't even the strongest Harbinger (Pierro is), otherwise he would be leading the Harbingers. @@HighwayStar666.
Pierro leads an organisation based on strength, enough said.
You really think someone like Capitano would accept being led by someone weaker than him? Good joke @@HighwayStar666.
So you think the rankings aren't based on strength? So what are they based on? @@HighwayStar666.
@@AndrewsMobsthey based on strength,lmao, pierro just doenst have rank ,he director
He is the leader right? Or is the leader Capitano? @@Who-el2dn
WOW This is so cool-- I thought I was tripping balls when Salsa said that she's 0, Traveler is 1, Paimon is 2. I LITERALLY took a picture and sent it to my friends with the caption "Fatui moment"
BUT YOU CONNECTED ALL THE DOTS THIS IS INSANE....
Another theory that came up in our discussion about this that I thought was interesting
Salsa = Dragon King (0)
Travaler = The Primordial One (1)
Paimon = The Second Who Came (2)
But I like the fatui one better lol
As I understood, Rukh was and Buer is the Avatar of Irminsul, so they are Irminsul, but "trees" (let's call so) grown from branches, that are still the same tree, but with different fate, so more logical will be that both - Rukh and Nahida both are Buer, cos they are same "tree", but with separate "tree trunk", fate....
I never paid that close attention to the salsa quests and dang of course there is lore in this world quest series 😅
I often watch videos at 1.75x speed. It is refreshingly to not need it here.
That said, viewers struggling to keep up with your speaking speed could try viewing at 0.75x speed. It does not distort your annunciation and allows more time to process what is spoken
I don’t mind your speech I like it you get the info and make it so fun to listen and not a bunch of filler
As others have said: those talking about your talking speed are just a vocal minority. Many of us, myself included, have different neurodivergence’s that honestly require a faster talking pace to comprehend things. I usually get frustrated because someone isn’t talking FAST ENOUGH. That is very pleasantly and refreshingly not experienced with your videos. I can actually just sit back and enjoy them instead of making comprehension and active task. Don’t feel the need to change, there is plenty more like us out there ☺️
(i have adhd) for me to completely follow the topics in the videos i sometimes have to put to 0.75 speed and rewind multiple times (only bc i like genshin lmaooo, sometimes i put youtube videos on x2 if im not obsessed) . any time there is more than 5 names i cant remember who they are/their significance in the next sentence loooool...
so. for me, some better visuals that connect one point to the next (or eg a visual showing the conclusion and the related evidence or allegory or real life inspo) would help the most i think.
this video was quite easy to follow because the parallels are quite easy to see without any evidence. (1x speed)
but yeah, sometimes i'm a 0.75x speed viewer, and i dont mind staying that way so agree with ur comment !!
I just wanna add another allegory, I feel like the fortress of meropide and fontaine is an analogy for teyvat and the universe genshin in.
If the fortress is guarding a secret of the hydro archon and the defacto leader is building a Noah's ark, maybe the real gods in the genshin universe build teyvat to guard a secret and the whole teyvat is like a Noah's ark.
This is actually spot on. In a big way.
I like where you took this theory, but I also think its plausible you got the characters mixed up.
Ubu representing the Adventures Guild, which is an association-like guild that works on tasks all over Teyvat brining order would be closer analogous to the Abyssal Order. The Abyssal Order takes a similar role to the Adventures guild as its opposite foil in trying to disrupt Teyvat's order instead of ordering Teyvat's.
I agree, Salsa a analogous to Pierro.
And if this is the case, I think the Traveler would be represented by the Abyssal sibling, but instead of siding with Salsa/Pierro, they sided with Abyssal Order that would be analogous to Ubu.
This is better analogy, because while Salsa perceives the Adventures Guild as a threat/opposition, the Adventurous Guild has little awareness or care for her actions, much like the Abyssal Order with regards to the Futui Harbingers, as far as we know.
Edit: Forgot to mention, that while Salsa perceives the Adventurous Guild as evil opposition, both organizations have similar aspirations to improve Teyvat/Fontaine. This is also very analogous to how Pierro's organization and the Abyssal Order have similar goals with Teyvat, in getting rid of Celestia's position.
the reveal that you were speaking so slowly not to be overly articulate but because you were playing genshin is genuinely so funny
King Capitano deserves to 1st.He's too cool, badass and hyped.
That's pretty much confirmed.
Here is the ranking:
Number 0: Pierro
Number 1: Capitano
Number 2: Dottore
The above three are the strongest of the Harbingers.
Im just picturing pierro arguing with asmoday while khaenri'ah goes bom
Interesting! I'm done with that quest. Who would have thought it was such a lore bomb quest.
Oo really cool connection. Genshin lore theory brain expanded after watching this
The paimon-dottore connection might be bc dottore wants humanity to evolve and paimon might be an evolved god
That one storywriter in Genshin dev team who just wrote a random npc story for this quest without thinking too much: 🤯🤯Am I, perhaps The God!?!?!
I think the people asking you to slow down the speed at which you speak are a loud minority. Obviously, at the end of the day, it is your decision on how you make your videos but I think the faster the better since Genshin generally has a lot of information to get through.
As long the captions can understand him, I have no issue with his speaking speed
I think it's because the genshin playerbase is international 🤔so maybe the people complaining don't have English as their first or even second language so it gets harder for them to understand.... idk I'm just grasping at straws
@@DefinitelyNotAFerret yeah, you're right. english is my second language and even tho i understand him i sometimes have to replay what he said cause i didn't translate it in my brain fast enough.
@@DefinitelyNotAFerretas a Chilean he speaks at the perfect speed lnao 👍
@@DefinitelyNotAFerret Autism auditory processing disorder also makes things difficult. Luckily I can slow down the video 😂
I personally think the speed at which you talk in your previous videos is fine because otherwise, those videos would be twice as long, and therefore, not even be viewed by the very people telling you to slow down.
I am aware of this. However, I will see if I can find a middle ground while maintaining the quality of the video.
@@DragonMJEi actually prefer the fast paced talking, that just gets me more hyped up and excited while watching the video
@@DragonMJEme too, i prefer your fast-paced talking! it makes it easier to understand somehow, and no matter what there's always the speed change option. people could play the video slower if they need to.
4:30 dude, who's going to debate that? Theater is literally one of the seven arts, arguing that theater isn't art is like arguing movies aren't art, that music isn't art 😅
Lol they all treat Childe like the annoying little brother who they wished was never born.
question (could the first, second descender and paimon be the three moon sister's???)
I think that Dragon is the one that is giving away vision... not sure who came up with this idea but it makes sense
Still trying to find a character I want to C6. I’m thinking a Natlan character
Capitano
I'm seriously considering Neuvillette, but that'll be a long-term project and I might change my mind a couple times lol
and if you think about it Paimon is Dottore because both of them are trying to create a god like being
another great video! i really can't wait for the layla video!!
You mad man, you’re back at it again!
you make a lot of good points, but I feel having a list of keypoints to mention in the video would make it feel a little less all over the place. good video
Please talk morre about Nahida! I've been loving your videos
False news, Timmy is the founder
I like that you talk fast!!!
What I think about the Gods of Teyvat (Authorities of the dragons) they have been willingfully giving their gnosises (connection to celestia at this point) away to Fatui without much hesitation. They would prefer it that way. I think one way or another they (gods) themselves are as much slaves to Celestia as their people. Having that said, we can see Furina basically dependent on Neuvilette for protection and in some way I believe that Furina will sacrifice herself to return Neuvilette to his full power. Neuvillette protects Furina despite him knowing that her death benefits him already tell us the physical form of current Furina doesnt hold her power or authority and some kind of planned alliance was previously made between the Neuvillette previous incarnation and Focalors to keep the status quo for appearances until the right moment. Neuvillette will Destroy both Fatui and Celestia. I can see Apep joining the party there with Nahida in the future.
Neuvilette gets clapped by fatui and celestia Pierro or Capitano is overkill already.He weakened and young, dragons power based on age by nahida's second quest.7 primordial dragons and nibelung which by far ,leagues stronger than neuvilette lose ro phanes and his shades with tons of forbidden knowledge and numerical superiority, and probably vishaps army.
Cope.It's not a fact that he can pass Capitano in prime or any other top 3 and Pierro,let alone whole fatui and celestia.Furina is unlikely to sacrifice/die since she is an archon and playable, popular character, genshin is unlikely do this, and the role of Neuvilette is not so big and does not make sense for all the developing events that lead us to the battle and the probable overthrow of Celestia by Fatui
@@painkiller3232 cope for what exactly? Im not emotionally tangled to a supposition. You Genshin kids are so easy to rile up on anything, it’s crazy.
@@Mindontcompute this theory is cope and it is a fact.And oh how mature of you to call me genshin kid when I just disagreed with the theory and called it cope for a number of reasons, perhaps it's you who rile up on anything so easily?
@@painkiller3232 you are in fact a Genshin kid and in that animosity you are addressing. Like a kid who cannot in fact “cope” with the reality that what you conceive in your brain to be truth about a topic is not factual. This is a game. Well, in truth is a monetization device disguised as a game but that’s another topic. You started your sentence in the most passive aggressive way and proceeded to explain an opinion as a factual statement when in reality, we dont know who will have more power than who or what’s going to happen down the line. I have as much of a right as you to express my opinion. You like a kid would, get triggered because what I said doesnt fit into your narrative. So you have to act like an ass. In fact, most of what I said come from the story and Neuvilette ascension to lvl 90. You would know if you had him. There is a time in life when you are young and stupid but down the line you get older and wiser. Your expression doesnt come from a wise place. Have a nice one kid.
how about video about Capitano?Would be great
Are you going to make a video talking about Layla ?
Wait, her name in English is Salsa????? In Spanish she's Sacha (or Sasha, not sure)
What if dragons once were humans that evolved into dragons cuz thay adapt very easy and no longer know thay arexdrgaon evolved humans
And columbine as counterpart as paimon 🤣 as seat #2 hahhaa
Hi everyone! I want to know some info about Tsaritsa how powerful is she, background, why she decide to create group Harbinger, and her plans please answer Thank you💓
there's a remarkable chest on the boat, and it's bothering me haha
Isn't the adventurers guild related to the fatui ?
The Adventurer's Guild headquarters is in Snezhnaya as far as we know that is the extent of their "relationship."
@@DragonMJEAnd don't forget that all Katherynes are puppets of Snezhnayan origin, might be more closely related to Sandrone than we think...
Zandik?!
That's arabic for irreligious or Heretic 😮
when you hear the tsar instead of tsarya/t (Cries in bulgarian grammar)
Somebody questions theater being an art? 😤
guess who just gained another subscriber
All this lore from a girl named Salsa 😂 (she is literally called Sauce)
Given the constant mentions of the enormous Capitano's power which is significantly superior to others, it makes sense for him to be the strongest, after all, the leaks, spoilers, say that he is -
the strongest fatui and leads snezhnaya's army, it's strongest army in teyvat, and he not only the strongest fatui but the strongest in Teyvat, it remains to wait, and i can't wait to see him in Natlan
The strongest in Tevyat is either the Primordial one or the Second who came depending who won the war.
@AndrewsMobs they may not be in teyvat now, moreover, celetial beings is not part of teyvat, which is what the leak says
Them being part of Tevyat is irrelevant, it's about who is the strongest IN Tevyat.
Also I keep hearing of this "they may not be in Tevyat now" a lot now, did I miss something?
Also if Capitano was stronger than Zhongli or Ei they would have just sent him to steal the gnosis from them, instead they negotiated. @@Who-el2dn
They still stole it from Venti, doesn't change anything I said. @@HighwayStar666.
@AndrewsMobs it change anything you said, venti case is literally mentioned, the fact that that they didn't send Capitano or Piero or another from top 3 to take it by force doenst mean they can't do it
By the way, Sandrone also hates Tartaglia ☠
I disagree with Capitano being the Bloodstained Knight. The Bloodstained Knight pledged his allegiance to the Abyss. As far as we know, the Fatui and the Abyss are not aligned.
Where was that mentioned?
@@AndrewsMobs "Deep in the abyss, where celestial bodies cast no light,
the Bloodstained Knight kept this timepiece, though time had lost all meaning.
At an end was the Bloodstained Knight's story,
for he realized there was no place for him on this earth.
He ventured into the fallen ancient kingdom, and died in battle in the monsters' lair.
At the bottom of the world, he learned the origin of the monsters that destroyed the ancient kingdom.
"The ancient kingdom was wrongfully cursed,"
"Turning its inhabitants into monsters."
"The code of chivalry tolerates not such injustice."
"If Abyss be thy name, I pledge to you my loyalty."
~ Bloodstained Final Hour (Bloodstained Chivalry Sands)
Oh damn forgot about that.
Also it mentions that he is died so yeah. @@bookswithike3256
I love this
I heard that having UCD can be very dangerous
Got to love how self centered people are "i can understand/keep up with everything so it's fine, fuck everyone else". Yes, let's not take into consideration that he is talking about complex topics with uncommon words and that english isn't everyone's first language. Most self absorbed comment section i've seen in awhile, people telling you to ignore other viewers just because it doesn't affect them, are why being selfish became a cultural trait in a lot of societies.
There is the slowdown option on youtube, it isn't a big deal lol.
@@AndrewsMobs There is also a speed up option on here, what's your point ? Oh yea, you aren't trying to make any, you're just another disingenuous prick that thinks he is funny :)
I think your talking speed is ok, you can watch videos at lower speed. Also Salsa's parents are scientists and Salsa is supposed to be Pierro, so was Pierro scientist, mage in Khaenria?
He was a mage, the scientist is Dottore.
Tbh, I always assumed The Cryo Archon herself was weaker than a majority of the harbingers. Is that a controversial take? I don't think it is.
maybe top 3 since the rest aren't on the level of gods
@@wxndaz I've heard that statement thrown around but I have a problem with it. The top 3 being "on the level of Gods" assumes that the God's are on the same level. They don't appear to be.
Are they on Nahida, Venti, or (post curse) Furina's level? Or are they Morax and Ei's level?
There are some Archons that seem to be implied to be lower than Childe's (#th's) level, while Ei oneshots (an albeit weakened) Signora (#8).
It's a very vague statement.
I know very little is known about the Cryo Archons actual identity/strength but she's often described as "soft". There's also the fact that her minions are doing ALL the heavy lifting thus far. When you think of all of the relatively powerful Archons, they tend to me more hands on.
If the term refers to the strength of the "Original 7" though, the statement can be a LOT more streamlined, as the strength diff between the original 7 appears to be much smaller (especially since Venti was is his prime then).
However, I'd have a hard time believing the current Cryo Archon holds a candle to: Peak Zhongli, peak Venti, Ei (ik Makoto was the original Electro Archon but she always leaned on Ei's Strength), Rukkhadevata, Egeria, and the others. Let alone the top 3 Harbingers. Time will tell I guess. But of now, I don't think that statement provides any useful info until they elaborate further.
Based on context we can assume that "on the level of gods" is referring to the strongest of gods.
That being said I don't think the top 3 are stronger than Ei let alone Zhongli.
Also the rankings are about the current era, so although Tsaritsa isn't as strong as Zhongli or even Ei she should still be stronger than every other archon with the possible exception of Murata. @@TridentH20
@@AndrewsMobs Unfortunately, as of now, we are just left with assumptions and speculations. Her strength is still unknown.
All signs (at least the way I've interpreted them) seem to suggest that the Cryo Archon weaker than 3+ of her own harbingers. I'd argue more or maybe even all of them but at this point it's un-falsify-able. Claims that can't be proven or disproven make for rather poor debates.
Also, I am patiently waiting to see the full power of Focalors, I'm convinced she's hiding something huge.
Focalors is definitely weaker than the Tsaritsa which is why Neuv asked the traveller to basically protect her in the event that the fourth rank does try something funny.
The Tsaritsa is not only 500 years old but also leads a massive nation and seems to be worshipped unlike Focalors, that's a lot of time for an archon to accumulate power.
Based on the information we have we can assume that the Tsaritsa is the third strongest archon maybe fourth behind Murata the god of war.
@@TridentH20
What if it was an even more accurate allegory? What if Pierre had in fact first met the abyss twin in place of Salsa meeting our traveler?
Also, I really love the way you speak so fast! It helps me take in the information more easily, my mind always wanders off when other lore TH-camrs narrate slowly and fail to connect their pieces.
i wanna say that pierro would be one of the sovereigns but he is from khaenri'ah -_-....
Interesting theory and connection. But you should probably plan your videos a bit more instead of jumping ideas back and forth all over the place
I don't think you talk too fast, I always watch at 2x speed.
The numbers theory checks out, but I don't think there's any link between power levels.
I was under the impression that Khaenri'ah destroyed itself, Celestia just intervened to take out the Abyss monsters and seal the portals, not to destroy Khaenri'ah, which was already destroyed by the monsters and Abyssal corruption before the Archons got there.
Morax is not a dragon lol, it's in the established lore that he can take many forms. The best theory I saw is that he's the Shade of Life, his golden powers do far more than just deal with Geo energy.
It doesn't make sense for Celestia to be against humanity, the whole reason humans are here is because Celestia is tasked with protecting them. That's like a Prime Directive for Celestia, so even if something went wrong with it, that should still be its primary goal.
Yet Celestia destroyed Sal Valnygr or whatever it was called for no reason.
There is no "prime directive" for Celestia, that's just your headcanon.
This also assumes the Primordial one won the second major war which we have no reason to believe.
@@AndrewsMobs Celestia didn't destroy Sal Vindagnyr, they sent a Nail to get rid of the corruption that blanketed the land after Durin's blood (which was pure abyssal corruption) soaked the land. Sal Vindagnyr was destroyed when Durin attacked and when the corrupted blood ruined the land, the Nail mended the destruction but in turn caused an unnatural frost to occur.
Maybe learn the actual lore before criticizing others.
The 2nd who came is clearly not in control of Celestia and is nowhere to be seen. I think it's safe to assume that Phanes won at great cost, or that at least both sides were defeated.
I checked the wiki just now and you got the order of events wrong lol, here:
"One day, she had a prophetic dream of a black dragon filling the land with a cloud of scarlet poison, and she took it as an omen of doom"
This was right around the time Celestia dropped a nail for some reason:
"Either around the same time or perhaps afterward, the Skyfrost Nail fell from Celestia for unknown reasons. This caused the city to be shrouded by clouds and mist, and causing snowstorms throughout the region."
Sal Vind was already destroyed by this point:
"Sometime after the disaster, Imunlaukr returned from his fruitless search, only to discover that everyone had already died. This discovery left him disillusioned with Celestia, and he vowed to "help [them] pass the time with a song of iron and blood," leaving Sal Vindagnyr in search of a land full of war for him to fight in."
Durin came WAY afterwards:
"During the cataclysm five hundred years ago, the princess' dream came true: the black, corrupted dragon Durin descended upon the land, where he was slain by Dvalin and his corrosive powers sealed using Vindagnyr's unnatural cold. As Durin's blood flowed into the land, the undying white tree spread its roots to absorb it"
Sal Vind fell around the beginning of Khaenri'ah, Durin came during the end of Khaenri'ah, this was a nation that lasted a very long time mind you.
Looks like you should take your own lesson.
Also Phanes was said to love humanity, clearly current Celestia does not, there is no evidence that he made a sudden u-turn when it comes to personality, only that a war with another being occured, so it's reasonable to assume he lost the war.
That also explains Celestia's current and recent past irrational behaviour. @@VeraldoAncodini
@@AndrewsMobs Except the wiki is wrong and your chain of events makes no sense.
Maybe learn how a story works?
Why would Durin attack an uninhabited place?
Think before you write.
Current Celestia is dormant, after Khaenri'ah, when they called the Archons to fight the abyssal invasion, Celestia has made no communications.
"Except the wiki is wrong and your chain of events makes no sense"
The wiki cites its sources, which is the game.
If you think that is wrong then you should make a comment informing the editors.
Also it isn't "my" chain of events, it is simply copied and pasted from top of the wiki page to the bottom, the relevant information of course.
"Maybe learn how a story works?
Why would Durin attack an uninhabited place?
Think before you write."
Lmao, you're talking as if I wrote this story, maybe you should take that up with the genshin writers and tell them that they are writing their story wrong lol.
Guess this is your coping mechanism after being proven wrong.
@@VeraldoAncodini
I don't think it's so crazy that Pierro may be stronger than the Tsaritsa therefore making him the strongest in Snezhnaya.
We already have three nations where the archons are far from the strongest of their respective nation, those being Mondstat, Sumeru and Fontaine.
Only two nations have their archons being the strongest by far, those being Liyue and Inazuma (Does this have some deeper meaning?).
oh yeah "quick video" pfft lol
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u shouldn't slow down it would make the vids to long
Stop shouting
for some reason i really dislike salsa since first time i met her
far fetched af