Songs used: >Blind, Faget, and Clown by KoRn. >Becoming by Pantera. >Blew by Nirvana. >Rapper's Delight by The Sugarhill Gang. >Twist, Got the Life, Get Up! (Ft. Skrillex), Rotting in Vain, and This Loss by KoRn. >Loco by Coal Chamber. >Eet the Children by Otep. >Bodies and All Over Me by Drowning Pool. >Blink of an Eye by Damageplan. >Jumpdafuckup by Soulfly. >Nookie and Break Stuff by Limp Bizkit. >From this Day by Machine Head. >I'm the Man by Anthrax. >Body Count by Body Count. >It'll Be Ok and My Way by Limp Bizkit. >Boom! by P.O.D. >Bullet with a Name by Nonpoint. >Last Resort by Papa Roach. >Sky is Over by Serj Tankian. >Bring Me to Life by Evanescence. >Chop Suey, Needles, and ATWA by System of a Down. >The Shiver (Meet Me at the Carousel) by Unexpect. >Cigaro and Chic n' Stu by System of a Down. >Lie Lie Lie by Serj Tankian. >Unsung by Helmet. >Dose by Filter. >Breath by Breaking Benjamin. >Riot by Three Days Grace. >Walk Away From the Sun by Seether. >Vicinity of Obscenity by System of a Down. >Animal I Have Become by Three Days Grace. >Tired by Stone Sour. >I Stand Alone by Godsmack. >Everybody's Fool by Evanescence. >Our Truth by Lacuna Coil. >Be Quiet and Drive (Far Away) by Deftones. >The Red by Chevelle. >Ion, I Don't Care (Ft. Adam Gontier), I'm Not Jesus (Ft. Corey Taylor), and S.O.S. (Anything but Love) (Ft. Cristina Scabbia) by Apocalyptica. >Ball Tongue by KoRn. >One Step Closer, In the End, and Points of Authority by Linkin Park. >Spit it Out, Gently, and Dead Memories by Slipknot. >Inside the Fire, Down with the Sickness, and Stupify by Disturbed. >Let the Guilt Go by KoRn.
Definitely easier to read and look up, thank you! Btw would you consider doing low-effort videos going through bands, albums and (maybe) specific songs and talk about their sound? I’d love to hear what you have to say about them and it might also boost you in the yt algorithm. It’ll definitely help the algorithm in my brain, I’d never find the bands that I found or enjoy the genres I now enjoy if it wasn’t for your videos explaining them
It appears for me, but I think I've been told before that they couldn't find it. Is it not available? I do have a Groove Metal video. But yes, I quite possibly will revisit it at some point, since my voice edits were strange in those old videos @@СевернаяЗвезда-в9м
Evanescence only did the rap thing in Bring Me To Life because the record label forced them to. The label actually wanted them to add rap to every song, and Evanescence quit because of it. They compromised and only did the rap vocals on one song. In live performances, Evanescence actually dropped the rap parts later on, because they never intended them to be there in the first place. Symphonic metal is probably the best term for them.
Huummm....not quite.... there are very distinct aspects in their sound that differ from traditional european symphonic metal bands, which are still the ones most asociated with the term. Bands like Nightwish, Epica and early Within Temptation are true symphonic metal bands imo.
@@lebarak69 it depends on what band. Nu has whispering/quiet singing , seven string down tuned, hyper anger/sadness,refrain, who scatting, hip-hop( 90’s nu-metal), and harsh melodic singing . Some metalcore bands sound exactly like early 90’s-2000’s Deathcore but not all of them do.
metalcore and nu-metal are so far apart lol, you guys are tripping or have never had heard metalcore ranging from the underground punk scene to the myspace scene.
I appreciate your commitment and the comprehensive research you go through to make these videos. For instance, many people don't know that Anthrax was a "proto rap metal" band, I once told that fact to a friend of mine, and he looked me weird, he couldn't believe it even though he was an avid follower of the band. It's little details like those that I love about the videos that you make, despite being short, they are super informative, thorough and still simple enough for both newbies and old school people to enjoy and understand. Great job.
For me the pillars of Nu Metal were always Korn, Limp Bizkit and Linkin Park. I've often thought a lot of the Nu Metal artists were more genre-fluid than stuck in a very rigid box, and this video highlights that notion very well. Also, it might be sacrilege to a lot of people, but it took me until last year to really like Linkin Park's Hybrid Theory.
I would say Mudvayne too, though they’re not nearly as popular as the rest. Nu-metal was definitely one of the most innovative genres to much people’s dismay.
My comment doesn't have much to do with the video. but in my point of view, "alternative" is a kind of label that I always interpreted as "people don't know how to label it, so they'll call it alternative".
Sorta true, but then it became its own style. "Indie" seems to be the label that came up when people realized it would be dumb to call a genre "Alternative alternative"
All of KoRn's first album, and most of their second. After that they flirted with other styles, but most KoRn records are at least somewhat Nu-Metal. If we are including bands that dip their toes into other styles there's Mudvayne, Static X, Otep, Linkin Park (early), Slipknot, Disturbed (on The Sickness), Soulfly, Coal Chamber, Drowning Pool, Damageplan, Fear Factory (on Obsolete), Machine Head (On Supercharger) Psychostick, Vein (on Errorzone), Dope, and American Head Charge. I listed most of these in my videos but there you go. @@СевернаяЗвезда-в9м
Born in 85, I was a teenager in early 00's, back then, the nu-metal was a movement, not just a rock/metal genre. There were lot of nu-metal bands, but some sounded more rock, some more punk, some more grunge, some hip-hop/rap, some industrial, even death metal.. but all were labeled as nu-metal. So I would disagree with "nu-metal does not have a rap vocals".. yes they have and there's no hybrid of nu-metal and something else.. Nu-metal alone IS a hybrid of styles.. from SlipKnot to Deftones, Staind, Static-X, SOAD, Linkin Park, Incubus and Evanescence. From very heavy to poppy. Obviously the look/fashion was very important as well. I understand where you coming from, but to me it's a bit complicated. All in all I love your video, great job.
Ive always seen alternative metal to be an umbrella term for metal/hard rock that geared towards the mainstream with a very pop like music structure and conventional singing and lyrics. Traditional metal has different vocals and can be more focused on being "metal" and "trve". Traditional metal has a particular culture and ethos that it encompasses.
In Europe "Rap-Metal" was called CrossOver and it was quite big in the mid 90s with a lot of bands playing that style in this time. Limp Bizkit showed up quite late in that "era". Clawfinger, Thumb, HeadCrash, Dog Eat Dog, Fistfunk, Blackeyed Blonde, H-Blockx, Senser, just to name a view.
@@whatsinameme5258 Thanks for the video. Can you please make a least/links to that raw nu metal bands/albums/tracks ? I just love that whispery dark psychotick creepy and heavy sound !!!
@@СевернаяЗвезда-в9м Most KoRn, especially their early albums. Fair bit of Slipknot, especially slower songs like Gehenna and Gently. Otep on the album The Ascension. Static X. Mudvayne. Vein on Errorzone. Hope that helps.
Thank you so much for explaining, now I can finally understand why I found it strange when people called different bands "nu-metal" but these bands sounded completely different from each other.
Not bad, I think you did a great job explaining these. It kills me when someone says there favorite music genre is EDM (because that branches off into like 40 genres)
For me Alt Metal always seemed to be the broader term out all of thesee, while Nu Metal and Rap Metal are more akin to subgenres of Alt Metal. It's a cool video either way.
@@joaquinlezcano2372 While it makes sense from the name that Alt Metal is supposedly metal mixed with alternative rock, in reality ever since the beginning alt metal bands were simply mixing metal with all kinds of different genres, rap being one of them. In that sense, since alt metal comes before nu metal and rap metal, it seems fair to me to call it the progenitor of some kind. That said, I'm not too invested in trying to "define" all these genres, so I'm not going to insist that my understanding of it is the most correct one, but at least it's practical enough for me to just call a band that mixes metal and non-metal elements "alternative metal", unless there is an entire movement where many metal bands use the same type of non-metal influence, in which case it deserves to be it's own separate subgenre outside of alt metal. In other words, alt metal is just a bin of leftover bands that just don't properly fit in other genres and don't have enough similar bands to them to form their own genre/sub genre. System of a Down and Slipknot are a good example of that, not enough rap for rap metal, too energetic and chaotic for nu metal, too musically straightforward to be prog metal or avant-garde metal, while at the same time too much of all kinds of these influences (middle eastern music, hardcore punk?, thrash/death metal, hip hop even if it's not enough for rap metal, etc) to just be "heavy metal" or whatever, so "alt metal" it is.
This video is fantastic, as Nu-Metal is one of the most misunderstood and misused sub-genres. Often when Nu-Metal is being discussed people talk about Korn, Slipknot, Limp Bizkit and System of a Down as some form of 'big 4' of the sub-genre with other bands like Linkin' Park, Machine Head, Disturbed, etc, also lumped in there.
That transition from In The End to Points Of Authority was superb. I typically classify Breaking Benjamin, Chevelle, Seether, Godsmack, etc as "Hard Rock" bands but that's so I don't have to make 47 extra genres to account for sometimes minor differences when I'm categorizing my downloaded music lol. But the nuances of what make a band's music its own is good to know when trying to explain what a band is to someone vs categorizing it for a playlist lol
Chevelle is Alt Metal with some Nu Metal and Post-Grunge elements. Breaking Benjamin more an Alt Metal with heavy Post-Grunge and Alt Rock influences (also Nu Metal but without Hip-Hop inffluences). Three Days Grace for me is the epitome of Alt Metal/Post-Grunge hybrid (ironically I like these 3 bands the best due to having diverse infuence. Godsmack is more Hard Rock/Alt Metal with heavy Post-Grunge influences (I would say a Tough Guy Metal due to how it's filled with testosterone and pissed off attitude).
Excellent analysis. I love how you get deep into the weeds with this stuff. Personally I've always considered "nu-metal" to be more of a marketing term than a genre definition. Similar to how the phrase "college rock" back in the '80s was used less as a genre description and more of an identifier that record labels would slap onto anything that they felt wouldn't fit into the mainstream.
This is academic-level research, keep up the good work, I especially thank you for putting the references in the comments, is easier to find a song I like from the video or check new bands
Limp Bizkit mixed Nu Metal and Rap Metal, especially in their first three albums. Same with Linkin Park, P.O.D and etc. Also bands like FNM, Helmet and Chum definitely straight up created Alternative Metal. Funk Metal, Nu Metal and Rap Metal are all sub-genres of Alt Metal.
For me are 6 genres than is very common to listen them mixed and sound great. - Thrash Metal - Groove Metal - Rap Metal - Nu Metal - Alternative Metal - Industrial Metal
Thank you for giving me like 4 to 5 more bands to listen too. (Also love the in depth talk about the genres, its hard to explain the differences to friends so ill save this to show the differences between nu metal, alt metal, rap metal, and all the other ones you mentioned. I grew up listening to the whole circle of genres from the 90s-2000s to the point i can easily fall asleep to any single song you play to me with how comfortable they are to me.
Disturbed actually is from my home city and area, one of their members went to my high school, and theres a music store i live about 20 minutes away where one of the members built a display case for instruments, and the store allowed him to display one of the band's refords in it, kind of as monetization
Great video once again! Would love to see one explaining the differences between glam metal and pop metal from the 1980s, which both were called (and still being tbf) "hair metal". I remember you did a fast mention of it in your video of the best metal albums from the 1980s, but it would be great to see a deeper view on it.
Faith no more is the pioneer in my eyes without them and Primus idk if Nu metal would have become a thing but in reality Aerosmith and Run Dmc are the beginning of time and space when it comes to Nu Metal
most of the early deftones songs are nu metal and their more peaceful songs i call metalgaze (not to be confused with grungegaze like superheaven and some basement)
Thanks for the video, I really love your analysis and how you illustrate them. I would be interested by how you define the genre of my band "Ice Chemicals", especially on the last EP "The Pyre". I would say that we are heavily influenced by Alt and Nu metal (mostly by the bands/albums you referenced here) but the themes are maybe not consistent.
There is a sort of "new wave" of "Nu-Metal" that is become a bit of a thing this decade. These bands seem to not fit so neatly into the boxes I present here. I think the reason the theme won't be consistent is because it's a whole different era now. KoRn's first record would have been completely different if released today. It had a very 90s quality to it. Bands that call themselves Nu-Metal today often have influence from Metalcore and/or other styles. I think someone is gonna have to come up a new name for these bands playing this newer variant, because it just isn't the same. It has a different vibe, even if it still has downtuned guitars and hip hop beats. I listened to a couple tracks of yours and I would say it fits that newer sound. It doesn't really have a label yet, which in a way is good, because it means it's not too outdated yet. Haha. I remember my first time hearing the term "Trap Metal" and then only a couple weeks later, seeing video thumbnails saying: "Trap Metal is dead". Seemed like the style fell out of fashion the second it had a name. I definitely hear the Nu-Metal in your sound, but I would recommend against TRYING to BE Nu-Metal if that makes sense. It's inevitably not gonna be like those 2000s bands. That sound doesn't really exist now, and even if replicated would sound outdated. Just try to be your own thing, and keep it up. There's potential there. I know this is a long comment, but hope you appreciate it.
@@whatsinameme5258 Thank you very much for the thoughtful answer! Much appreciated 🙏 I hear you and would agree totally that the nu-metal vibe was era-related and to recreate it now would not be adequate. In fact that's not what we are trying to do : as you said, we try to be our own thing and just make the music we like without overthinking or trying to fit into a box. Which can be both a good thing (because originality) and a bad thing because we don't easily find etiquettes to describe what we do 😅 I agree there is some kind of rebirth of nu-metal (nu nu-metal?) with metalcore influences, with maybe more screamed vocals and cleaner sound, but exactly like nu-metal 25 years ago people tend to fit a lot of different things in there so it does not really mean anything yet... Anyway, metal continues to develop, grow and renew itself - and that can only be a good thing! 🤘
Personally limp bizkit, pod, nonponit, papa roach (would never consider them emo) are still nu-metal for me. Where as stuck mojo is rap metal which primarly rap but with traditional metal compositions behind the vocals. And artists like beastie boys are rap rock (at times) with a repeated guitar riff sample or simple composition.
“Alternative metal” was the overhead umbrella term that included all those scenes. Alternative metal was everything from type o negative to korn to tool to slipknot and everything in between. Thing is, none of those bands or their peers claimed to be metal. They were just labeled that by the idiots in the music press. The term metal gets thrown around too much. As long as the music’s aggressive, edgy, and dark, I like it. Who cares what’s real or not real “metal”. smh….
If ur in the mood I really liked the 2 what’s in a masterpiece videos you did. Feel like one of my favorites breakdown of sanity deserves one after deciding to tour again after 6 years but not to America 😭. I think they’re one of the best metalcore bands out there and even though I like the brutality of mirrors I think coexistence is one of the best all around albums out there
Nu metal was used pretty much as a catch-all term for any metal band that achieved mainstream popularity during the late 90's and early 2000's. Hence, bands like System of a Down, Deftones and Godsmack often got lumped in with nu metal, despite all three of those being far closer to alternative metal.
Woah how dare you end a numetal video with Korn 3 at the end. We all hate that album lol Jokes aside excellent work once again man. I loved how you called out everyone that knocks on Coal Chamber
Yes, The Nothing was a special album. They have done a good job of keeping a consistent, yet evolving sound. I didn't like Requiem as much, but I believe they have the potential of a couple more banger albums before they quit.
I don’t think we can define Nu-Metal. Every time you lay down conventions, I can name bands that are the exception to the rule. It’s more an ERA than a STYLE. I’d define it as...Heavy Metal with Detuning - No solos - Rhythm based songs - Grunge angst & the Hybridising of non-Rock genres ☝🏽Helmet, Mr.Bungle, Prong & White Zombie did this waaay before KoRn. But got no credit
I give Prong credit a lot to be fair. Haha. The others are quite a bit different from the KoRn sound. At least Prong has a Nu-Metal album. Scorpio Rising. The other bands are more Funk Metal or Alt Metal. But I have credited all of them in my videos.
Personally I would define these generes by these definitions: Alternative Metal: heavy emphsise on combining with different generes and heavily overlaps or inffluenced with post-hardcore, shoegaze, industrial, funk, electronic music and other genes. Early examples are Faith No More, Helmet, Quicksand, Primus, Prong and Hum (a low-key insanely influential on Deftones as they were heavily inspired on guitar tone and riffing and even almost ripping them off on White Pony in some songs). Grunge bands like Alice in Chains and Soundgarden and industrial metal also counts. Nu Metal: for me is subgenre of Alt Metal and main distinction is heavy emphasis on heavy, hip-hop grove and using guitars as rhythm and texture instead of typical riffing. Korn, Deftones on first 2 albums and half of White Pony are prime examples of this. All Nu Metal band are Alt Metal but not all Alt Metal are Nu Metal. For sceptics SoaD is Alt Metal but heavily inffluenced by Nu Metal sound especially on first 3 albums and can be count if strech Nu Metal definitions to it's limit. Incubus as more as Funk/Nu Metal hybrid on first 2 albums. Rap Metal: ironically while shoehorned with Nu Metal actually presented earlier with bands like Biohazard and Clawfinger (3rd album is pretty much a Nu/Industrial Metal), Rage Against The Machine (while inflluential not a Nu Metal, so STFU) and Body Count. Not every band with rapping is nu metal due being more of umbrella of metal bands with rapping than genre itself.
I highly recommend you this video. Is in Spanish, but you can check out all the bands for yourself th-cam.com/video/7oHbdzNbPR8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=i0ydtBpyeFVxNLrR
I guess my favourite of the nu metal bands is probably Soulfly, but I would probably only call their first few albums nu metal. Later albums have more of a groove metal sound. Heck some songs like Plato O Plomo and Scouring The Vile (which features the vocalist from Obituary) have a death metal influence.
Nonpoint, Sevendust and Korn!! And Static X!! Also, I'm mostly a fan of Technical Death Metal and Progressive Metal as well as Dsbm but my ass loves all these bands than Limp Bizkit.
Since you started mentioning avant garde more often I think that's another great future video you could make, cause I understood it even less than Nu metal
To be honest it's basically metal's "Other" category. Which might seem simple enough, but considering how many metal genres there are, it's impressive to get that label. You have to do some pretty unconventional stuff.
I always say: -Nu Metal is a grungy, Groovy version of Alt Metal -rap metal is (real) metal with rap vocal so Limp Bizkit? No. But let's say Metallica with Ice Cube on Ice Cube on vocal, thats rap metal.
Will you ever make a video on experimental metal? I remember you leaving out any mention of Neurosis in your video on post-metal, because you felt their music was better described as avant-garde metal. I feel like there is a lot to cover in that genre. Neurosis for sure is one, but also bands like Gorguts, Demilich, maudlin of the Well and Kayo Dot. I feel like avant-garde metal is a little misunderstood as the music genre that blends circus music with blast beats, but it is by its very nature one if not the most varied metal genre out there, and I feel it should be explored beyond just Mr. Bungle. Thanks.
I don't understand why people still label Deftones as nu-metal. Even in their early era, (Adrenaline and Around The Fur) Those 2 albums sound nothing like "Nu-Metal". Sure, you got like 2 tracks that have influences of Hip Hop in them but the year was 1995, Before Nu was even a thing and Korn was still pretty underground. If you listen to their other songs in Adrenaline like Bored, Nosebleed, Birthmark and Root, they sounded more like a Post-Hardcore band.
Limp Biskit isn't rap metal, the rap metal influences were the strongest, but they were nu metal. One has to focus on the vocals (Fred Durst used to sing and growl, not all rapping) and the guitars (down tuned and with a rhythmic approach)
Nu metal is so easy to get into compared to other genres, like ioneven like korn or slipknot but it’s pretty accessible compared to like brutal technical death metal. Like linkin park made a 10/10 w/ hybrid theory, they have a fire hip hop remix album with crazy features like black thought and the alchemist, etc. sure most of the genre is shit but it’s easy to get into and introduces people to a heavier sound
Nu metal and Alternative metal pretty much sound the same to me, rap metal is also Nu metal or Alt metal sometimes so I put all of these genres in my “Nu metal playlist”
Nu metal has different types of styles than rap and Alternative metal: Nu has whispering/quiet singing , seven string down tuned, hyper anger/sadness,refrain, who scatting, hip-hop( 90’s nu-metal), and harsh melodic singing . Rap metal is the fusion of rap and metal, and alternative metal is more of the alternative hardcore punk combining metal instruments.
member, rapmetal is lyrical so body count counts cause of their content, only 3 bands, limp bizkit,bodycount and RATM, rap metal is way more definitive than most ppl think, not always your typical pop music
This is like how grunge was used to describe the Big 4 - Nirvana, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains and Pearl Jam. Each band is different but have some commonality in vibe/spirit rather than sound/style. The Nu Metal Big 4 (Korn, SOAD, LB, LP) are more diverse in their style and their vibe/spirit is not as unified. Both grunge and Nu metal is unhappy about the world. But lumping bands into genres is not something the original bands liked or deserved since they were the pioneers. Why would any band want to be pigeon holed into their band standing for a certain genre. It's like racial stereotyping that all people of a certain race all think, act, and express themself the same.
Songs used:
>Blind, Faget, and Clown by KoRn.
>Becoming by Pantera.
>Blew by Nirvana.
>Rapper's Delight by The Sugarhill Gang.
>Twist, Got the Life, Get Up! (Ft. Skrillex), Rotting in Vain, and This Loss by KoRn.
>Loco by Coal Chamber.
>Eet the Children by Otep.
>Bodies and All Over Me by Drowning Pool.
>Blink of an Eye by Damageplan.
>Jumpdafuckup by Soulfly.
>Nookie and Break Stuff by Limp Bizkit.
>From this Day by Machine Head.
>I'm the Man by Anthrax.
>Body Count by Body Count.
>It'll Be Ok and My Way by Limp Bizkit.
>Boom! by P.O.D.
>Bullet with a Name by Nonpoint.
>Last Resort by Papa Roach.
>Sky is Over by Serj Tankian.
>Bring Me to Life by Evanescence.
>Chop Suey, Needles, and ATWA by System of a Down.
>The Shiver (Meet Me at the Carousel) by Unexpect.
>Cigaro and Chic n' Stu by System of a Down.
>Lie Lie Lie by Serj Tankian.
>Unsung by Helmet.
>Dose by Filter.
>Breath by Breaking Benjamin.
>Riot by Three Days Grace.
>Walk Away From the Sun by Seether.
>Vicinity of Obscenity by System of a Down.
>Animal I Have Become by Three Days Grace.
>Tired by Stone Sour.
>I Stand Alone by Godsmack.
>Everybody's Fool by Evanescence.
>Our Truth by Lacuna Coil.
>Be Quiet and Drive (Far Away) by Deftones.
>The Red by Chevelle.
>Ion, I Don't Care (Ft. Adam Gontier), I'm Not Jesus (Ft. Corey Taylor), and S.O.S. (Anything but Love) (Ft. Cristina Scabbia) by Apocalyptica.
>Ball Tongue by KoRn.
>One Step Closer, In the End, and Points of Authority by Linkin Park.
>Spit it Out, Gently, and Dead Memories by Slipknot.
>Inside the Fire, Down with the Sickness, and Stupify by Disturbed.
>Let the Guilt Go by KoRn.
I like the list format for these better. Thank you!
Definitely easier to read and look up, thank you!
Btw would you consider doing low-effort videos going through bands, albums and (maybe) specific songs and talk about their sound? I’d love to hear what you have to say about them and it might also boost you in the yt algorithm. It’ll definitely help the algorithm in my brain, I’d never find the bands that I found or enjoy the genres I now enjoy if it wasn’t for your videos explaining them
Thank you so much. Perhaps!@@claudiaborges8406
Hi ! There does groove metal video go ? Can you please return/reupload that video ?
It appears for me, but I think I've been told before that they couldn't find it. Is it not available? I do have a Groove Metal video. But yes, I quite possibly will revisit it at some point, since my voice edits were strange in those old videos
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Evanescence only did the rap thing in Bring Me To Life because the record label forced them to. The label actually wanted them to add rap to every song, and Evanescence quit because of it. They compromised and only did the rap vocals on one song. In live performances, Evanescence actually dropped the rap parts later on, because they never intended them to be there in the first place. Symphonic metal is probably the best term for them.
Huummm....not quite.... there are very distinct aspects in their sound that differ from traditional european symphonic metal bands, which are still the ones most asociated with the term. Bands like Nightwish, Epica and early Within Temptation are true symphonic metal bands imo.
They are buttrock
Evancescence is not Symphonic metal, they are Alternative rock..if you go to the metal archives they are not in there like Epica and Nightwish
Metal Archives is a poser site,their patterns says that Ghost is metal and Slipknot and Kittie aren't@@norsegamingtv1686
They are buttrock
Nice to see a proper video discussing this topic after it was mentioned in the individual videos
Nu-metal/alternative metal walked so that metalcore/deathcore could run
They are extremely similar
And it's all shit the cores are fuckin arse
@@lebarak69 it depends on what band. Nu has whispering/quiet singing , seven string down tuned, hyper anger/sadness,refrain, who scatting, hip-hop( 90’s nu-metal), and harsh melodic singing . Some metalcore bands sound exactly like early 90’s-2000’s Deathcore but not all of them do.
Well said
metalcore and nu-metal are so far apart lol, you guys are tripping or have never had heard metalcore ranging from the underground punk scene to the myspace scene.
I appreciate your commitment and the comprehensive research you go through to make these videos. For instance, many people don't know that Anthrax was a "proto rap metal" band, I once told that fact to a friend of mine, and he looked me weird, he couldn't believe it even though he was an avid follower of the band. It's little details like those that I love about the videos that you make, despite being short, they are super informative, thorough and still simple enough for both newbies and old school people to enjoy and understand. Great job.
For me the pillars of Nu Metal were always Korn, Limp Bizkit and Linkin Park. I've often thought a lot of the Nu Metal artists were more genre-fluid than stuck in a very rigid box, and this video highlights that notion very well.
Also, it might be sacrilege to a lot of people, but it took me until last year to really like Linkin Park's Hybrid Theory.
I would say Mudvayne too, though they’re not nearly as popular as the rest. Nu-metal was definitely one of the most innovative genres to much people’s dismay.
I understand taking a bit to like hybrid theory as…
*meteora is better*
@@limitqaI love Meteora more too lol
It hurt my soul not seeing Mudvayne here! 💔@@fnamelname8906
What about Staind’s Dysfunction album? A lot of those songs were pure Nu-Metal
My comment doesn't have much to do with the video. but in my point of view, "alternative" is a kind of label that I always interpreted as "people don't know how to label it, so they'll call it alternative".
finally someone who agrees with me
Sorta true, but then it became its own style. "Indie" seems to be the label that came up when people realized it would be dumb to call a genre "Alternative alternative"
Alternative/Indie is like “its chill and weird, but not comercial nor experimental”
@@whatsinameme5258Can you please suggest true nu-metal bands/songs due to your definition of that genre ?
All of KoRn's first album, and most of their second. After that they flirted with other styles, but most KoRn records are at least somewhat Nu-Metal. If we are including bands that dip their toes into other styles there's Mudvayne, Static X, Otep, Linkin Park (early), Slipknot, Disturbed (on The Sickness), Soulfly, Coal Chamber, Drowning Pool, Damageplan, Fear Factory (on Obsolete), Machine Head (On Supercharger) Psychostick, Vein (on Errorzone), Dope, and American Head Charge. I listed most of these in my videos but there you go. @@СевернаяЗвезда-в9м
Really thankful you are covering all three together, as these style's can get confused heavily.
You're welcome!
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I must admit that I too did get Nu Metal confused with Rap Metal. Thank you.
Nu Metal & Alternative Metal are what I live by. My top two.
Recommend it to everyone.
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Born in 85, I was a teenager in early 00's, back then, the nu-metal was a movement, not just a rock/metal genre. There were lot of nu-metal bands, but some sounded more rock, some more punk, some more grunge, some hip-hop/rap, some industrial, even death metal.. but all were labeled as nu-metal. So I would disagree with "nu-metal does not have a rap vocals".. yes they have and there's no hybrid of nu-metal and something else.. Nu-metal alone IS a hybrid of styles.. from SlipKnot to Deftones, Staind, Static-X, SOAD, Linkin Park, Incubus and Evanescence. From very heavy to poppy. Obviously the look/fashion was very important as well. I understand where you coming from, but to me it's a bit complicated. All in all I love your video, great job.
Ive always seen alternative metal to be an umbrella term for metal/hard rock that geared towards the mainstream with a very pop like music structure and conventional singing and lyrics. Traditional metal has different vocals and can be more focused on being "metal" and "trve". Traditional metal has a particular culture and ethos that it encompasses.
In Europe "Rap-Metal" was called CrossOver and it was quite big in the mid 90s with a lot of bands playing that style in this time. Limp Bizkit showed up quite late in that "era".
Clawfinger, Thumb, HeadCrash, Dog Eat Dog, Fistfunk, Blackeyed Blonde, H-Blockx, Senser, just to name a view.
Nu-Metal got me into metal. So I’m thankful for it and still listen to it today. Elder Millennial
You were right to cover all three of these together. Very helpful video!
Glad to hear
@@whatsinameme5258 Thanks for the video. Can you please make a least/links to that raw nu metal bands/albums/tracks ?
I just love that whispery dark psychotick creepy and heavy sound !!!
@@СевернаяЗвезда-в9м Most KoRn, especially their early albums. Fair bit of Slipknot, especially slower songs like Gehenna and Gently. Otep on the album The Ascension. Static X. Mudvayne. Vein on Errorzone. Hope that helps.
Thank you so much for explaining, now I can finally understand why I found it strange when people called different bands "nu-metal" but these bands sounded completely different from each other.
Not bad, I think you did a great job explaining these. It kills me when someone says there favorite music genre is EDM (because that branches off into like 40 genres)
For me Alt Metal always seemed to be the broader term out all of thesee, while Nu Metal and Rap Metal are more akin to subgenres of Alt Metal.
It's a cool video either way.
Alt metal is different from nu and rap metal though
@@joaquinlezcano2372 While it makes sense from the name that Alt Metal is supposedly metal mixed with alternative rock, in reality ever since the beginning alt metal bands were simply mixing metal with all kinds of different genres, rap being one of them.
In that sense, since alt metal comes before nu metal and rap metal, it seems fair to me to call it the progenitor of some kind.
That said, I'm not too invested in trying to "define" all these genres, so I'm not going to insist that my understanding of it is the most correct one, but at least it's practical enough for me to just call a band that mixes metal and non-metal elements "alternative metal", unless there is an entire movement where many metal bands use the same type of non-metal influence, in which case it deserves to be it's own separate subgenre outside of alt metal.
In other words, alt metal is just a bin of leftover bands that just don't properly fit in other genres and don't have enough similar bands to them to form their own genre/sub genre.
System of a Down and Slipknot are a good example of that, not enough rap for rap metal, too energetic and chaotic for nu metal, too musically straightforward to be prog metal or avant-garde metal, while at the same time too much of all kinds of these influences (middle eastern music, hardcore punk?, thrash/death metal, hip hop even if it's not enough for rap metal, etc) to just be "heavy metal" or whatever, so "alt metal" it is.
This video is fantastic, as Nu-Metal is one of the most misunderstood and misused sub-genres. Often when Nu-Metal is being discussed people talk about Korn, Slipknot, Limp Bizkit and System of a Down as some form of 'big 4' of the sub-genre with other bands like Linkin' Park, Machine Head, Disturbed, etc, also lumped in there.
Post-Human Survival Horror had Linkin Park, Korn and Slipknot elements in it
That transition from In The End to Points Of Authority was superb.
I typically classify Breaking Benjamin, Chevelle, Seether, Godsmack, etc as "Hard Rock" bands but that's so I don't have to make 47 extra genres to account for sometimes minor differences when I'm categorizing my downloaded music lol.
But the nuances of what make a band's music its own is good to know when trying to explain what a band is to someone vs categorizing it for a playlist lol
Numb -> Points Of Authority*
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Chevelle is Alt Metal with some Nu Metal and Post-Grunge elements. Breaking Benjamin more an Alt Metal with heavy Post-Grunge and Alt Rock influences (also Nu Metal but without Hip-Hop inffluences). Three Days Grace for me is the epitome of Alt Metal/Post-Grunge hybrid (ironically I like these 3 bands the best due to having diverse infuence. Godsmack is more Hard Rock/Alt Metal with heavy Post-Grunge influences (I would say a Tough Guy Metal due to how it's filled with testosterone and pissed off attitude).
Thank you for this it always urked me how people place bands like 3 days grace in the same ish vein as early korn.
Excellent analysis. I love how you get deep into the weeds with this stuff.
Personally I've always considered "nu-metal" to be more of a marketing term than a genre definition. Similar to how the phrase "college rock" back in the '80s was used less as a genre description and more of an identifier that record labels would slap onto anything that they felt wouldn't fit into the mainstream.
Thank You for adding Damageplan
I get obscenities from people who say that it’s not Nu Metal
This is academic-level research, keep up the good work, I especially thank you for putting the references in the comments, is easier to find a song I like from the video or check new bands
Limp Bizkit mixed Nu Metal and Rap Metal, especially in their first three albums. Same with Linkin Park, P.O.D and etc.
Also bands like FNM, Helmet and Chum definitely straight up created Alternative Metal.
Funk Metal, Nu Metal and Rap Metal are all sub-genres of Alt Metal.
For me are 6 genres than is very common to listen them mixed and sound great.
- Thrash Metal
- Groove Metal
- Rap Metal
- Nu Metal
- Alternative Metal
- Industrial Metal
Thank you for giving me like 4 to 5 more bands to listen too.
(Also love the in depth talk about the genres, its hard to explain the differences to friends so ill save this to show the differences between nu metal, alt metal, rap metal, and all the other ones you mentioned.
I grew up listening to the whole circle of genres from the 90s-2000s to the point i can easily fall asleep to any single song you play to me with how comfortable they are to me.
It all started with, "ARE YOUUU READDDYYYY??!"
Jonathan fckin Davis 🤘🏻🤘🏻
thanks, now i'm confused even more!
Best video I've ever saw explaining these genres.
I just found this channel and it quickly became my favorite, okay.
Appreciate it!
i think nu metal came in different flavours. the core of nu metal is pop, rap and metal, with countless genress sprinkled inbetween.
Disturbed actually is from my home city and area, one of their members went to my high school, and theres a music store i live about 20 minutes away where one of the members built a display case for instruments, and the store allowed him to display one of the band's refords in it, kind of as monetization
Great job with this video. I feel that you have succinctly laid out what i try to tell people about nu metal.
The thumbnail makes it look like amy lee is wearing a slipknot t-shirt
Haha I noticed this right after I uploaded the video. I kinda like it though.
To me nu metal is weird metal. That weird, creepy, freaky scary sound... done
Tnx for explaining this... now i got to arranged my metal CDs again according to their genres...
Been really enjoying the videos, dude! 🤘🤘❤ this is the music i grew up on and it's like a nostalgic hit!
They're ALL in my playlist. Just the most heinous mish-mash of every kind of metals.
That's why I named it "Alloy"
Great video once again! Would love to see one explaining the differences between glam metal and pop metal from the 1980s, which both were called (and still being tbf) "hair metal". I remember you did a fast mention of it in your video of the best metal albums from the 1980s, but it would be great to see a deeper view on it.
I plan to at some point, in a similar video as this.
Thanks for some music recommendations 🤘
I loved this one, I'll never get tired of these videos
Faith no more is the pioneer in my eyes without them and Primus idk if Nu metal would have become a thing but in reality Aerosmith and Run Dmc are the beginning of time and space when it comes to Nu Metal
To be Fair all 3 Genres are practically cousins, in the sense that they are more digestible than the regular "Metal" genres.
Pretty good video. You forgot to mention Incubus, but it was pretty good overall. I subbed. I'll check out more of your stuff later.
Incubus isn't metal though, they're cool, but not really that heavy. They get a lil heavy sometimes, but they ain't metal IMO.
most of the early deftones songs are nu metal and their more peaceful songs i call metalgaze (not to be confused with grungegaze like superheaven and some basement)
I'm pressure there's no metalgaze, but ok
I believe this may be my favorite era of music
This is a wonderful video. People getting these wrong has been a pet peeve of mine for AGES, just like people misusing the word "emo".
Finally someone gives credit to Helmet
Thanks for the video, I really love your analysis and how you illustrate them. I would be interested by how you define the genre of my band "Ice Chemicals", especially on the last EP "The Pyre". I would say that we are heavily influenced by Alt and Nu metal (mostly by the bands/albums you referenced here) but the themes are maybe not consistent.
There is a sort of "new wave" of "Nu-Metal" that is become a bit of a thing this decade. These bands seem to not fit so neatly into the boxes I present here. I think the reason the theme won't be consistent is because it's a whole different era now. KoRn's first record would have been completely different if released today. It had a very 90s quality to it. Bands that call themselves Nu-Metal today often have influence from Metalcore and/or other styles. I think someone is gonna have to come up a new name for these bands playing this newer variant, because it just isn't the same. It has a different vibe, even if it still has downtuned guitars and hip hop beats. I listened to a couple tracks of yours and I would say it fits that newer sound. It doesn't really have a label yet, which in a way is good, because it means it's not too outdated yet. Haha. I remember my first time hearing the term "Trap Metal" and then only a couple weeks later, seeing video thumbnails saying: "Trap Metal is dead". Seemed like the style fell out of fashion the second it had a name. I definitely hear the Nu-Metal in your sound, but I would recommend against TRYING to BE Nu-Metal if that makes sense. It's inevitably not gonna be like those 2000s bands. That sound doesn't really exist now, and even if replicated would sound outdated. Just try to be your own thing, and keep it up. There's potential there. I know this is a long comment, but hope you appreciate it.
@@whatsinameme5258 Thank you very much for the thoughtful answer! Much appreciated 🙏 I hear you and would agree totally that the nu-metal vibe was era-related and to recreate it now would not be adequate. In fact that's not what we are trying to do : as you said, we try to be our own thing and just make the music we like without overthinking or trying to fit into a box. Which can be both a good thing (because originality) and a bad thing because we don't easily find etiquettes to describe what we do 😅
I agree there is some kind of rebirth of nu-metal (nu nu-metal?) with metalcore influences, with maybe more screamed vocals and cleaner sound, but exactly like nu-metal 25 years ago people tend to fit a lot of different things in there so it does not really mean anything yet... Anyway, metal continues to develop, grow and renew itself - and that can only be a good thing! 🤘
Serj has sung fast in multiple songs sometimes it feels to be the speed of Eminem earlier in his career plus he brings the pipes with it
This is a good put together video
thank you for clearing this up for people who dismiss nu metal
Personally limp bizkit, pod, nonponit, papa roach (would never consider them emo) are still nu-metal for me.
Where as stuck mojo is rap metal which primarly rap but with traditional metal compositions behind the vocals. And artists like beastie boys are rap rock (at times) with a repeated guitar riff sample or simple composition.
“Alternative metal” was the overhead umbrella term that included all those scenes. Alternative metal was everything from type o negative to korn to tool to slipknot and everything in between.
Thing is, none of those bands or their peers claimed to be metal. They were just labeled that by the idiots in the music press. The term metal gets thrown around too much.
As long as the music’s aggressive, edgy, and dark, I like it. Who cares what’s real or not real “metal”. smh….
screamo vs post hardcore vs emo
I agree with mostly everything besides Soulfly being Nu-metal. This was was a great display of differences between sounds.
Maybe power metal or symphonic metal next
glad you put Nonpoint here
Nonpoint is so underrated
Yes, my friend, you did great job🤘🏻🫂
If ur in the mood I really liked the 2 what’s in a masterpiece videos you did. Feel like one of my favorites breakdown of sanity deserves one after deciding to tour again after 6 years but not to America 😭. I think they’re one of the best metalcore bands out there and even though I like the brutality of mirrors I think coexistence is one of the best all around albums out there
Nu metal was used pretty much as a catch-all term for any metal band that achieved mainstream popularity during the late 90's and early 2000's. Hence, bands like System of a Down, Deftones and Godsmack often got lumped in with nu metal, despite all three of those being far closer to alternative metal.
Woah how dare you end a numetal video with Korn 3 at the end. We all hate that album lol Jokes aside excellent work once again man. I loved how you called out everyone that knocks on Coal Chamber
I did? And yeah KoRn 3 isn't the best, but it has a couple bangers on it.
Korn really out there innovating the genre to this day.
Yes, The Nothing was a special album. They have done a good job of keeping a consistent, yet evolving sound. I didn't like Requiem as much, but I believe they have the potential of a couple more banger albums before they quit.
I don’t think we can define Nu-Metal. Every time you lay down conventions, I can name bands that are the exception to the rule. It’s more an ERA than a STYLE. I’d define it as...Heavy Metal with Detuning - No solos - Rhythm based songs - Grunge angst & the Hybridising of non-Rock genres
☝🏽Helmet, Mr.Bungle, Prong & White Zombie did this waaay before KoRn. But got no credit
I give Prong credit a lot to be fair. Haha. The others are quite a bit different from the KoRn sound. At least Prong has a Nu-Metal album. Scorpio Rising. The other bands are more Funk Metal or Alt Metal. But I have credited all of them in my videos.
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I will binge those videos right...now 👍🏽
Mmm no? Helmet were pure alt metal, Prong were some of the kings of groove metal, so was White Zombie.
Personally I would define these generes by these definitions:
Alternative Metal: heavy emphsise on combining with different generes and heavily overlaps or inffluenced with post-hardcore, shoegaze, industrial, funk, electronic music and other genes. Early examples are Faith No More, Helmet, Quicksand, Primus, Prong and Hum (a low-key insanely influential on Deftones as they were heavily inspired on guitar tone and riffing and even almost ripping them off on White Pony in some songs). Grunge bands like Alice in Chains and Soundgarden and industrial metal also counts.
Nu Metal: for me is subgenre of Alt Metal and main distinction is heavy emphasis on heavy, hip-hop grove and using guitars as rhythm and texture instead of typical riffing. Korn, Deftones on first 2 albums and half of White Pony are prime examples of this. All Nu Metal band are Alt Metal but not all Alt Metal are Nu Metal. For sceptics SoaD is Alt Metal but heavily inffluenced by Nu Metal sound especially on first 3 albums and can be count if strech Nu Metal definitions to it's limit. Incubus as more as Funk/Nu Metal hybrid on first 2 albums.
Rap Metal: ironically while shoehorned with Nu Metal actually presented earlier with bands like Biohazard and Clawfinger (3rd album is pretty much a Nu/Industrial Metal), Rage Against The Machine (while inflluential not a Nu Metal, so STFU) and Body Count. Not every band with rapping is nu metal due being more of umbrella of metal bands with rapping than genre itself.
have a strong urge now to slap together proper "nu-metal" playlist for myself
Dew it!
I highly recommend you this video. Is in Spanish, but you can check out all the bands for yourself
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Check out the album "Just A Mistake", by NMS04 for dark aggro-tinged nu-metal.
thank you for making this bro no one understands 😔😔😔😔😔😔
I guess my favourite of the nu metal bands is probably Soulfly, but I would probably only call their first few albums nu metal.
Later albums have more of a groove metal sound. Heck some songs like Plato O Plomo and Scouring The Vile (which features the vocalist from Obituary) have a death metal influence.
Nonpoint, Sevendust and Korn!! And Static X!!
Also, I'm mostly a fan of
Technical Death Metal and Progressive Metal as well as Dsbm but my ass loves all these bands than Limp Bizkit.
No love for Clawfinger in the rap-metal side?
Deftones was like an og nu metal band at first. Their riffs off adrenaline ar2e like the template for all other nu metal bands
1:00 „True Nu Metal“ 😂 Such a coinage would be unthinkable in the 90s or even early 2000s
Next up rap rock vs pop rock vs alt rock
And that last song is very fitting for everything you do lol
Tbh I use the Term Nu-Metal in the same way someone would use the term New-Wave of American Heavy Metal
Since you started mentioning avant garde more often I think that's another great future video you could make, cause I understood it even less than Nu metal
To be honest it's basically metal's "Other" category. Which might seem simple enough, but considering how many metal genres there are, it's impressive to get that label. You have to do some pretty unconventional stuff.
Good job, I will now show this video to all my friends who think I listen to limp bizkit
Got my rejection of the term "genre" even more reinforced. Great video though.
I always say:
-Nu Metal is a grungy, Groovy version of Alt Metal
-rap metal is (real) metal with rap vocal so Limp Bizkit? No. But let's say Metallica with Ice Cube on Ice Cube on vocal, thats rap metal.
So yeah i HEAVILY disagree with this,system of a down is grungy, Groovy Alt metal that means they ARE NU Metal.
Will you ever make a video on experimental metal? I remember you leaving out any mention of Neurosis in your video on post-metal, because you felt their music was better described as avant-garde metal. I feel like there is a lot to cover in that genre. Neurosis for sure is one, but also bands like Gorguts, Demilich, maudlin of the Well and Kayo Dot. I feel like avant-garde metal is a little misunderstood as the music genre that blends circus music with blast beats, but it is by its very nature one if not the most varied metal genre out there, and I feel it should be explored beyond just Mr. Bungle. Thanks.
Disagree with specific elements of your perspective but this is definitely an interesting way to think about it
I don't understand why people still label Deftones as nu-metal. Even in their early era, (Adrenaline and Around The Fur) Those 2 albums sound nothing like "Nu-Metal". Sure, you got like 2 tracks that have influences of Hip Hop in them but the year was 1995, Before Nu was even a thing and Korn was still pretty underground. If you listen to their other songs in Adrenaline like Bored, Nosebleed, Birthmark and Root, they sounded more like a Post-Hardcore band.
Quality content as always
Kim Dracula: interesting
How about SALIVA? HOW DO U consider them?
Don't forget RATM! They were a huge influence in rap metal 🤘
Could you please create a spotify playlist that would include all the examples you provide in a video?
To me Nu Metal is usually something that would fit in the Queen of The Damned soundtrack :v
This video is a mine of art.
Limp Biskit isn't rap metal, the rap metal influences were the strongest, but they were nu metal. One has to focus on the vocals (Fred Durst used to sing and growl, not all rapping) and the guitars (down tuned and with a rhythmic approach)
Did I ever say Rap Metal was ONLY rapping? I just said that Nu-Metal (raw) DOESN'T have rapping.
Nu metal is so easy to get into compared to other genres, like ioneven like korn or slipknot but it’s pretty accessible compared to like brutal technical death metal. Like linkin park made a 10/10 w/ hybrid theory, they have a fire hip hop remix album with crazy features like black thought and the alchemist, etc. sure most of the genre is shit but it’s easy to get into and introduces people to a heavier sound
I’d called limp bizkit nu metal. Korn inspired the genre but wasn’t itself
Nu metal is the masterpiece!
KoRn def hits different.
@@whatsinameme5258 All hail Life is Peachy
Nu metal and Alternative metal pretty much sound the same to me, rap metal is also Nu metal or Alt metal sometimes so I put all of these genres in my “Nu metal playlist”
Nu metal has different types of styles than rap and Alternative metal: Nu has whispering/quiet singing , seven string down tuned, hyper anger/sadness,refrain, who scatting, hip-hop( 90’s nu-metal), and harsh melodic singing . Rap metal is the fusion of rap and metal, and alternative metal is more of the alternative hardcore punk combining metal instruments.
Rap metal is not nu metal
member, rapmetal is lyrical so body count counts cause of their content, only 3 bands, limp bizkit,bodycount and RATM, rap metal is way more definitive than most ppl think, not always your typical pop music
Limp Bizkit is a crossover band, and hybrid with nu metal and rap metal, though it lends more to the nu metal part
This is like how grunge was used to describe the Big 4 - Nirvana, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains and Pearl Jam. Each band is different but have some commonality in vibe/spirit rather than sound/style.
The Nu Metal Big 4 (Korn, SOAD, LB, LP) are more diverse in their style and their vibe/spirit is not as unified.
Both grunge and Nu metal is unhappy about the world. But lumping bands into genres is not something the original bands liked or deserved since they were the pioneers. Why would any band want to be pigeon holed into their band standing for a certain genre. It's like racial stereotyping that all people of a certain race all think, act, and express themself the same.
finally somebody said that