Talking about 'sprites' in this game.... I'm surprised how they look so good in different lighting/shader areas. If you turn around them they seem like 3D models (Sprites have several angles and often look flat like 2D). "Are those really sprites??" I highly doubt that.
I mean, yeah, Doom models were never 3d in the first place, contrary to prodeus. They aren't actually 2d sprites. Prodeus has a modern 3d engine without limitations. There are still plenty of mods that do 3d and voxel models on Doom.
@@rickhapstley3866 I am fully aware that Prodeus was made in Unity and uses models that are rendered as a set of 2D sprites. As someone who has worked with GZDoom for over 9 years at this point, I am also aware of various mods for GZDoom that utilize voxel models and various other 3D models. :) I was actually trying to say two things, though... I wished we could have the ability to assign layers of sprites at different , to take pitch into account for displaying a different graphic... and I wished we had the ability to render 3D models as sprites in GZDoom. The devs have clearly said both options are nearly impossible and highly infeasible to implement, which really sucks. Now, I'm finding my own way.
Sprites look fantastic for sprites, models look janky for models. I prefer sprites for that reason (it's entirely to do with the floaty slow animations)
I prefer the models. The sprites just look janky when tgey rotate which is totally different from the scenery. Imo the sprites dont match the rest of the game. The sprites just seem like a retro nostalgia thing to me. I just wish there was an option for smoothly animated weapons too.
yeah people tend to call pixelated 3d = sprites, its okay to call it that way. this game is really something, everything is done superbly, i DONT SEE anything less than superb about this game.
The sprites are just the same models only choppy and low res. In this environment with these effects and with the way how these sprites were created it's just downgrade. A placebo effect just like low FPS animation in movies that objectively looks and feels worse but triggers your nostalgia. I like sprite based shooters, but in Prodeus the spites add nothing except choppines to otherwise fluid game. If you want sprites you do it either because you can't do models of high enough quality (not this case), you want to put in some more artistic stylization that models can't do (not this case, those sprites are direct renders of the models, nothing was changed about how they look) or because you want better clarity in your game and sprites provide more readable silhouettes and pattersn for recognition (also not this case, both sprites and models blend in the environment and are covered by effects and darkness all the time, they had to add glowing parts to all enemies so they wouldn't blend that much even). None of these three apply for Prodeus.
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Sprites > Models
It just fits with the overall style more imo
Until you go to a higher platform/level and look down.
Talking about 'sprites' in this game.... I'm surprised how they look so good in different lighting/shader areas. If you turn around them they seem like 3D models (Sprites have several angles and often look flat like 2D). "Are those really sprites??" I highly doubt that.
They are 3D models with some effects thrown on top of them, which is why they're affected by light.
@@Jan_Strzeleckii got a repack so i could check the files, they are 100℅ sprites
Its possible to fake the effects of light on sprites with Normal Maps
That's because they made different sprites to account for the different angles as opposed to just making one and calling it a day
I doubt those are prerendered, most likely it is just a low res shader. I definitely prefer the game with the pixilation turned on.
I wish we had this sort of functionality in Doom sourceport engines. It's BEAUTIFUL how it also accounts for vertical view discrepancies as well! :D
I mean, yeah, Doom models were never 3d in the first place, contrary to prodeus. They aren't actually 2d sprites.
Prodeus has a modern 3d engine without limitations.
There are still plenty of mods that do 3d and voxel models on Doom.
@@rickhapstley3866 I am fully aware that Prodeus was made in Unity and uses models that are rendered as a set of 2D sprites.
As someone who has worked with GZDoom for over 9 years at this point, I am also aware of various mods for GZDoom that utilize voxel models and various other 3D models. :)
I was actually trying to say two things, though... I wished we could have the ability to assign layers of sprites at different , to take pitch into account for displaying a different graphic... and I wished we had the ability to render 3D models as sprites in GZDoom. The devs have clearly said both options are nearly impossible and highly infeasible to implement, which really sucks. Now, I'm finding my own way.
@@DoomKrakken Oh ok, I get it 👍
no way aren't you the creator of embers of armageddon? love your mod dude just wanted to say
@@randomidkreal Yup, that's me! :D
Many thanks!
Sprites look fantastic for sprites, models look janky for models. I prefer sprites for that reason (it's entirely to do with the floaty slow animations)
Sprites or low pixel if you wanna call it that way blends way better into the theme, so it is my preferred way to play.
I prefer the models. The sprites just look janky when tgey rotate which is totally different from the scenery. Imo the sprites dont match the rest of the game. The sprites just seem like a retro nostalgia thing to me. I just wish there was an option for smoothly animated weapons too.
Agree, the sprites are just forced nostalgia, it just feels worse for it. I was disappointed when weapons stayed as sprites when switching to models.
Man that really clashes with the overall aesthetic
I wish we had more games with fake sprites.
Beautiful sprite work
Sprites definitely.
I don't see any sprites.
I see models with flat light, no frame interpolation and pixellated in post.
yeah people tend to call pixelated 3d = sprites, its okay to call it that way. this game is really something, everything is done superbly, i DONT SEE anything less than superb about this game.
yeah ok smartass lets just barf out that mouthful every time instead of just calling it by the aesthetic its obviously aiming for
Both are very good loking
I prefer sprites too. 3D models are less scary.
The weapons are still sprites
The sprites are just the same models only choppy and low res. In this environment with these effects and with the way how these sprites were created it's just downgrade. A placebo effect just like low FPS animation in movies that objectively looks and feels worse but triggers your nostalgia.
I like sprite based shooters, but in Prodeus the spites add nothing except choppines to otherwise fluid game.
If you want sprites you do it either because you can't do models of high enough quality (not this case), you want to put in some more artistic stylization that models can't do (not this case, those sprites are direct renders of the models, nothing was changed about how they look) or because you want better clarity in your game and sprites provide more readable silhouettes and pattersn for recognition (also not this case, both sprites and models blend in the environment and are covered by effects and darkness all the time, they had to add glowing parts to all enemies so they wouldn't blend that much even). None of these three apply for Prodeus.
Sprites
My opinion:
3d models is better
I think sprites fit the look of the game more
I'm going with models too
@Whited Out Even worse, I would like to have the option for smoothly animated weapons as well :D
models look better.
Sprites fits even more tho