How do we respond to the constant demonstrations and protests against Israel? - Bret Stephens
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- How do we respond to the constant demonstrations and protests against Israel? - Bret Stephens, New York Times columnist, in Melbourne
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Brett illustrates why the protestors are so reluctant to engage in any dialogue - their malicious or self righteous and ill achieved ignorant rage maintains them beyond thought or reasoning.
@@danielbairey4411 😄this cuts both ways
@@gerryatrix74 not quite if you truly consider facts . Consider for example that Arabs live as citizens in Israel. Over 70% of Palestinians are said to support Hamas - bent on brutally obliterating all Jewish presence in Israel, notice their claims, chants and conviction that no Jews should be allowed to live in the West Bank.
@@danielbairey4411 both ways. Consider the statements on record from the aid blockade.
@@gerryatrix74 justified perhaps ? Is it comparable? Or do Hamas do you in with pity …..consider the professional victim is not of necessity justified merely for appearing the underdog,
@@danielbairey4411 now its your rage keeping you from reasoning. No its not justified, and no i am no hamas supporter
Its a bit of a delusion to say these are well-meaning people. Some are, but if you go to a protest you know that a lot aren't. I was threatened numerous times even though I'm not Jewish. I cannot describe these incidents in detail on YT because the "well-meaning" staff will censor me.
Most, if not all of the protestors are Muslims and Marxists who are exploiting the people of Gaza to further their own agendas.
That's the point. The well meaning staff are incompetent; worse, they hold themselves out as competent. It's suicidal emotionally to play patty cake when the need is for one or more PR Crisis companies/groups. They solve these things for a living. They have a library of documented and experienced high pressure crisis events which they've absorbed as professionals. The well meaning are malarkey. The Jews and Israelis are losing because of the well meaning and the failure to reach out to crisis expert.
Many people like to believe that they are doing something right even when they are too lazy or too easily manipulated to discover what that is. This leads to some acting in direct contradiction to their own values without realizing it. They are not going to be easily convinced of their mistakes because people get invested into their own actions and decisions to the point where they cannot accept that they are on the wrong side. Deprogramming them from propaganda can be a difficult process especially if they are unwilling to listen.
They’re Hitler youth
Well said!. ❤
GO HOME Do not occupy this space Do not pass Ramallah Go straight to jail
Beautifully said. “Obliterated thought” is an apt description for many of these protesters. Also, it’s oddly compassionate that you did not share more details with the 16-year-old, because the other side would never be so courteous to our youth.
Yeah, he forgot to share the detail that Jews have brutally colonized this land when they came from Egypt.
@@pawepluta4883 YOu poor baby. Now go commiserate with the 80 million Hindus Islam murdered when they invaded India.
We have to do our own research when it comes to truth.
Don't know if I would say the British colonised though. That's kind of playing into the enemys hands. They won a war, similar to how Israel won one, and we're basically left with territories. It's wasn't a war they fought to take land. But they were left with land. And the first they did was to make a plan to hand it over to a local population.
only members of the Red Map in the former Brit Empire should be allowed to pontificate about colonisers
What wars were fought to colonise India, Australia etc?
It was made pretty clear by Ben Gurion and others that the plan was to take over all of the territory they regarded as Israel.
It continues to this day in the West Bank.
Illegally occupying capture territory is witness to the fact.
How can you characterise what is going on in the West Bank as "...to make a plan to hand it over to a local population"?
If you mean the so called two party state rejected by the Palestinians, would you accept a deal that gave more than half the land to less than one third of the population? Of course you would.
Islamophobia is another term that "obliterates thought".
That one is a made up term for the sole purpose of manipulation. It is a tool. Just like the three that he mentioned.
A term invented by tyrants, and used by fascists, to intimidate morons.
@@BenAdam-om2hr Yup, that was my point.
@@whiskeytango9769 That quote was either created or made famous by Christopher Hitchens. The actual quote is: "a term invented by fascists, used by cowards to manipulate morons." But your quote works too. Cheers.
Islam is the only religion that requires a pretend word to protect against critical inquiry. The sole purpose of "Islamophobia" is to conflate ideological truth with anti-Muslim bigotry.
Agreed. For many years Israel ignored rhetorics, articulated representatives , schools for training diplomats how to channel ideas and how to speak excellent English.
Zechariah 12:2-3 - _“Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples, when they lay siege against Judah and Jerusalem. And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it."_
What a pity that there are so few Jews in advertising.
"Genocide" is a particularly disgraceful term with respect to Israel. The word genocide was first coined to describe what the Nazi's had done to European Jews. It meant a combination of two things: (1) An attempt to completely exterminate an ethnic group. (2) The killings were not necessitated by self-protection. Subsequently, some groups have tried to say that it is still a genocide if the killings are based on an intent to exterminate the victim, without regard to how any are actually killed. If we accept that as well motivated, meant to condemn, it still does not include killings based on a killing group's need to protect itself.
Can anyone reasonably claim that Jews in Israel have no cause to fear harm brought to them by the Arabs? What about Fedayeen, Munich, bombings of buses, school, restaurants, missile attacks on a daily basis, invasions, etc.?
You can’t argue with Nazis and jihadis. Israelis have effective methods. Diaspora Jews think too much. The time has come for Jews to wake up and make use of the 2nd amendment
Did you read the UN Genocide Convention? 4 pages, signed by Israel.
*Samples of LAST 20 years:*
Nigeria Boko Haram 350,000 dead
Sudan JEM/Darfur 300,000 dead
Yemen Houthis 233,000 dead
Pakistan vs Islamists 50,000 dead
Syria 500,000 dead
South Sudan 400,000 dead
Ethiopia and Eritrea vs Tigray 600,000 dead
No protests for all these dead.
@@ef2718 You forgot the USA and Europe. Thousands dead in the name of Islam.
@@ef2718 Oh well, then we'll just have to let Israel go on, I suppose.
You abandon your house, for whatever reason. Come back 20, 50 years later and tell the current occupants to get out, it's your house. No deed, no other proof of ownership. What do you think those occupants will do? Tell you to eff off.
Well Stated
Following the defeat of the Ottoman Empire, the region came under British control with the implementation of the British Mandate for Palestine in 1920-wiki
...if your so passionate, try and raise the Ottoman flag.
The Ottomans arrived with the sword and seized the land. Just how far back in history would you like to go to claim some kind of injustice?
@@anthonymorris5084
no problem, but if you loss don't cry, admit it and take your risked..
I love how that mandate included the responsibility of the British to make Israel. Not too many people seem to know that it seems.
Bottom line if you are a Canaanite talk to us otherwise the Jewish Israelites are the owners of the Land of Israel.
@@gog7114 You clearly have little knowledge about this region. Jewish Israelites have abandoned this land hundreds years ago and until 1940s Jewish colonization, supported by Jewish terrorist actions, it was mostly Arabic. Or maybe you believe that wherever a Jewish foot stomped, this land remains Jewish forever?
I expect the thick demonstrators won't be able to spell those words let along know what they mean!
Why don't they respond... should be the question!
Excellent man.
Ignorant people should be told they're ignorant. The time is over to be kind to these people and letting them pretend they've got any understanding of reality or morality.
You are ignorant.
Here in the UK, as everywhere, we have people from every age group and social class waving Palestinian flags and shouting anti-Israel slogans. They are emotionally invested in the plight of Palestinian civilians being "massacred" by the IDF and that is the limit of their knowledge. They neither know nor care about the geography, the history, the religion & politics or even the details of how military missions are conducted and why.
Only yesterday I was screamed at by a woman in my own local pub when she overheard me talking to someone else about the crisis. I tried to reason calmly with her but she just yelled in my face and had to be restrained. I have know her for years and she is thoroughly English with no ties to Palestine but she was so emotionally invested, she was incapable of listening to reason or an opposite opinion.
I think Israel must begin fighting the war of words on the international stage because the evil of antisemitism has combined with the effects of one-sided propaganda to paint the country as an evil tyrant.
"Antisemitism" is a word that obliterates thought.
@@pawepluta4883
And stops civilised discussion dead in its tracks.
*LAST 20 years:*
Nigeria Boko Haram 350,000 dead
Sudan JEM/Darfur 300,000 dead
Yemen Houthis 233,000 dead
Pakistan vs Islamists 50,000 dead
Syria 500,000 dead
South Sudan 400,000 dead
Ethiopia and Eritrea vs Tigray 600,000 dead
No protests for all these dead.
It is well funded and organized campaign in service of bigger interests and other agendas, Gaza is just an excuse.
@@ef2718 Exactly right. Where are the protests for the tens of thousands killed in Syria and Yemen and Sudan in crises happening right now?
All these stupid people chanting "from the river to the sea", totally unaware that it is the slogan Hamas adopted regarding their intention to destroy Israel and refers to the genocide of every Jew in Israel.
colonialism means; there is a mother country whom sends colonists - typically very oficially with governments grace support and protection. The great majority if Israeli jews are more or less refugees. Quite a few come by choice. None come representing his mother country. IF someone there are kolonialists, its sooner the palestinians...
Psychopathic projection is out of control at the moment.
All that is so obvious.
No big deal in a liberal democracy: be strange if folk didn't protests either for or against anything
*Samples of LAST 20 years:*
Nigeria Boko Haram 350,000 dead
Sudan JEM/Darfur 300,000 dead
Yemen Houthis 233,000 dead
Pakistan vs Islamists 50,000 dead
Syria 500,000 dead
South Sudan 400,000 dead
Ethiopia and Eritrea vs Tigray 600,000 dead
No protests for all these dead.
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The fact remains that Israel is a colonial state. When the British M,andate began in the early 1920's less than 10% of the population of Palestine was Jewish. The bulk were Muslim or Christian. When the State of Israel was founded in 1948 three quaters of a million Muslims were uprooted in a wave of ethnic cleansing to create the 'Jewish State' Within Israel Palestinians have far less rights than Jews making Israel an Apartheid State. Whereas most of the Palestinian people have been there for generations most of the Jews or their families came from somewhere else mainly Europe or North America. Netanyahu actually comes from a Polish familyI
Accusing everyone of being Hamas supporters also "obliterates thought."
Survey made on November 14th 2023, shows that only 13% do not support October 7th attack (reasons for not supporting were not detailed).
March 10th survey shows similar results
Survey of last month shows Hamas would win elections.
Follow the laws and human rights that YOU claim and enjoy for yourselves. Uphold these human rights and laws for all people. Problem solved. "Thus says the Lord: Do justice and righteousness, and deliver from the hand of the oppressor him who has been robbed, and do no wrong or violence to the resident alien, the fatherless, or the widow, nor shed innocent blood in this place. " JEREMIAH 22:3. This what God requires.
It is unfortunately not that simple. The enemy intentionally sets up situations to create suffering in order to shift blame and manufactures lies about suffering where it does not exist. Humans are also inherently flawed and will make some mistakes and the enemy will amplify any errors while hiding any good deeds. Doing the right things in still the moral choice but the problem is that the world may nevertheless perceive you as doing evil because the truth is a casualty in a war of propaganda.
The main problem is that you think ppl think like you and if they don't they should.problem solved really???
@stupidburp That's why we have the law! It is that simple. If you don't follow the law and uphold human rights THEN YOU ARE A WAR CRIMINAL. Breaking the law and violating human rights is what makes terrorists evil. If you do the same YOU ARE ALSO A TERRORIST. The Zionist double standard where they act with the same brutality, lawlessness, and bloodlust to fight terrorism is just Western terrorism. No less evil. Zionists were the FIRST terrorists when they committed the cold blooded murder of existing communities to steal their homes and belongings during the Nakba. They have terrorized the Palestinians ever since. They have faced many "Oct 7". Mass murder after mass murder that the West ignored. You can not judge in others what you indulge in.
@stupidburp The enemy is those who descended on unknowing communities in 1948 to massacre unarmed families in cold blood to steal the homes and belongings they scoped out from afar. That's evil. That's terrorism. The enemy is those who rounded up survivors into barbed wired camps then forced them into a giant ghetto where they starved and deprived the confined people until the UN had to intervene for their survival. That's evil. That's terrorism. And all the years since of dehumanization, abuse, systematic terror, kidnapping of children, stealing, murder, and "mowing the lawn" campaigns was also terror. All criminal. Netanyahu even funded and kept Hamas in power as a boot on the neck of Gaza to prevent progress. Israel even commits terror against its own citizens with its illegal Hannibal Directive protocol, which played out during Oct 7. IDF helicopters incinerated cars of civilians and hostages along with Hamas. IDF tanks incinerated hostages along with Hamas at the kibbutz. Anyone can call themselves moral abd a democracy but the actions are terror.
Occupied people have a LEGAL right to resist oppression, even violently. The USA celebrates their violent resistance every 4th of July. Since the Nakba, Palestinians have had every right under the law to fight for their freedom, their families, and their lives. It's Zionists who built modern Israel on war crimes, oppression, and occupation that have the legal responsibility under the law to remove oppression and occupation from the Palestinians.
Apartheid is a good way to define the West Bank - it’s a powerful word
Under Palestinian Authority rule, they haven't held elections for around 17 years. Nobody has any rights, and no Jews or gays are allowed. That's apartheid.
Not really. Apartheid means the unequal treatment of CITIZENS of a country. "Palestinians" are not citizens of Israel, they have their own elected governments (Hamas, Palestinian Authority). 20% of Israeli citizens are Arab, half of whom are Muslim. They have all the same rights as other Israeli citizens. Israelis are not free to walk around Gaza and the Palestinian Authority administered areas of the Westbank.
@@3rdEyeWide
Were black South Africans CITIZENS of the country? They didn't even have the vote.
The Afrikaans word Apartheid means separate development.
@@lenroddis5933 For those who are a little slow: Did the black South Africans have autonmous Governments controlling the areas in which they lived which the people in those areas could vote for? Because the "Palestinians" do.
Furthermore, the injustice of apartheid was in discriminating against people based on an IMMUTABLE characteristic: race. 20% of Israel's population are Arabs who share the same language, culture, religion etc as the "Palestinians". They have all the same rights as any Israeli citizen. The difference is, unlike the "Palestinians", they don't constitute a security threat.
70% of the "Palestinians" supported the Oct 7th attacks (The PALESTINIAN Center for Policy and Survey Research). Even a "moderate" organisation like the "Palestinian" Authority has never published a charter that hasn't called for the elimination of the state of Israel. 85-90% of the "Palestinians" are Sunni Muslim. Their religious texts make it a "holy" mission to eliminate Jews. Sahih Muslim 2922.
@@3rdEyeWide
And your diatribe somehow justifies your misrepresentation of the word Apartheid.
Free Palestine!!!
Thank you for another *excellent example* of words that *obliterate thought*... 👍👍👍
Yes, "free Palestine" from the terrorists that govern the country and have since Yasser Arafat. All the billions of $ in aid to Palestine and it was spent on the destruction of Israel.
The Israelis are revolting
You are a butcher lover who plays victim even after you start a war
what is your point?That it was ok for Gazans to invade Israel and murder people?
Listen to the criticism and correct the fault ! Zionism is not Judaism !Start by learning the difference between Conquer and Colonialism. 🙏
You are ignorant, you don't know the meaning and to even imply colonialism to to escape the fact that Jews are indigenous to the region for thousands of years and Arab countries have ethnically cleansed Jews from all Arab countries so the need for Zionism was born. Jews are now back in their ancestral home and Zionism meams they have the right for self determination and also tge right to defend themselves since you butchers never helped them to be safe. Jews and Zionism are one in the same, learn facts and why facts are why Zionism is needed
I’ll tell you how you respond..You do it by getting your beloved Pariah to vacate the land and stop aggression against innocent civilians…Got that?
Is it really that simple? It seems you have a lot of growing up to do.
Simply,your neurons are malfunctioning.
@@ssadelaidian3811 Hard to say, as it's never been tried. The Arab League has had a peace offer on the table with Israel for 22 years that offers normalized relations in exchange for the above. Israel prefers stealing land in the West Bank to peace.
@@alviverdeus
how about the 3 NO's?😢..
Innocent civilians? 70% of "Palestinians" supported the Oct 7th attack (The PALESTINIAN Center for Policy and Survey Research). 85-90% of "Palestinians" are Sunni Muslim, their religious texts make it a "holy" mission to wipe out Jews. Sahih Muslim 2922.
Make Israel Palestinian Again!
Following the defeat of the Ottoman Empire, the region came under British control with the implementation of the British Mandate for Palestine in 1920. Wiki
The PLO created the modern concept of Palestinian as a psychological weapon in a political war. That is according to their own leaders back in the 1970s.
@@sharrodjohnson336
And so?
What nonsense and lies! Herzl clearly used the term colonialism, Jabotinsky is a colonialist. The historical sources are very clear: Zionism is a settler colonial ideology. Genocide: the Genocide Convention is the benchmark, not that lie he is spouting. and yes, Israel is committing genocide. Apartheid: again, the hard facts show that Israel is an apartheid state.
This is how you respond: Make Israel Palestinian Again!
Oh you mean the name the British called the region, after taking over from the Ottomans?
It’s ok
The Jews threw the British out and decolonized it 👍🏼
It was never Palastinian you unedicated dult. They were Arabs and Jews, never Palastinians and all you have to do is check on that. Istarl has always been your BS is just BS
Jewish Palestinians were already the majority demographic in Jerusalem as far back as 1890. They were already established on the land for many generations before this
So you want to give it back to Great Britain ......I bet you did not excel at school.
@@johnblack6819
My understanding is that in 1948, Jews in Palestine represented at most one third of the population.
Pontius Pilate did not sign the death warrant of Jesus.
King James Bible
"When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it."
King James Bible
"Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children"
Abdication of authority is not abdication of responsibility.
John 19.7
The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.
John 19.12
And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release him: but the Jews cried out, saying, If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar's friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar.
So, what has this to do with the price of eggs?