today the 18th of May 2023 my location is at stage 6 tonight. So, stage 2 was an appetizer fro the main meal that is yest to come, I SAY YET TO COME because there a rumours that stage 16 is in the pipeline followed by a possible 2day scheduled darkness. South Africans should have gotten rid of the ANC long time ago infact after the Thabo Mbeki AIDS mess, we should have known Jacob Zuma would be no different and now we are stuck with Ramaphosa...Failure after Failure
I honestly believe that people like this only do this because they don't fear the potential repercussions of their actions. If they knew that customers are likely to take the law into their own hands, they'd be much less likely to do this fraud.
The likes of Stephenson and his side kick should be advertised on TV program weekly showing their faces and company names they use ,to stop others from been caught in there web of stealing funds ,lying and not doing what they have been paid upfront to do .
I can remember a while back standard bank had something like that lets call it "middle man" for buying and selling for individuals, where if you were buying from "me" you paid the bank then they get the goods to you and only then they would release the cash to me. At a small fee ofcourse which was better than losing out big time
There are certain general rules which generally apply when it comes to payment (solar and other types of work): 50% on acceptance of quotation, and 50% upon successful completion of all the work, tested and working. NEVER ever pay everything up front.
not really, some time systems can take more than quoted and u need the customer to buy that stock if they want it complete in time. so can go to 80%-90% upfront in solar. completely different from other service industries.
Those are the terms that scammer Jonathan Clive Stephenson uses, 50% deposit on order, 35% once work commences, balance upon completion. He gets 85% of R250k system but just installs the panels. CIPC, SARS VAT, bank, hellopeter, facebook reviews all checked out.
My clients pay between 100% and 80% upfront. 4 years no problems. You have to go by referrals. The reason for the high deposit is the cost of equipment versus labour to install. Equipment is literally 80 to 90% of the quote
These unscrupulous solar fly by nights are destroying the solar industry. It’s not just individuals causing harm, solar clients are being sold inferior solar products with little to no warranty recourse. This has led me to start setting up a quality solar business that will only supply quality solar equipment, not the cheapest option but the right option.
It's not just the quality of the components that's important. It's also the competence of the installers who wire up the components that's crucial. Several houses have had their power backup systems go up in (vicious) flames because of inferior workmanship, e.g., the installers had used the wrong gauge wiring to connect the panels to the inverter, or incorrectly wired isolation switchgear or surge protection, or simply left out critical parts. It's best to get several quotes from various suppliers and see whether they agree more or less in terms of the parts each lists. Quotes that are significantly different from the others are big red flags.
Our hybrid solar system was commissioned two days ago. And in this time we had clouds and rain. Yet the power stayed on basically for 2 days while only using battery. Today the sun is shining and we're running all our heavy appliances like washing clothes, cooking food, washing dishes, etc. with power purely generate by the PV panels while the batteries are charging at the same time. Loadshedding or not. It was expensive, but in the volitile times we live currently it was a sound investment. Our lives are finally back to normal.
Will you perhaps share what you paid for it? And what the hybrid system entails? In the sense of size of property and what you running off the solar grid....you dont have to share if you dont want to...I have googled and prices differ vastly
I'm still busy testing the system for the next 30 days so won't release supplier names yet in order to make sure it's 100% fool proof when I do. The system was R160k excl VAT and consist of: 1x 5kVA Victron MultiPlus2 hybrid inverter, Victron Smart MPPT 150/60 up to 250/70, 2x Revov 48 V 5.1kWh 2nd LiFe R100 batteries and 8x 380 W black PV panels. All components are built into a server rack on wheels which you can shift around in garage as required. So nice for rearranging and cleaning.
Not punting or anything but Marcels Solar seems to have great reviews, know folks who have equipment installed from them about 9 months ago and it works brilliantly - Deye, Greenrich etc
I am actually in the process of setting up an escrow payment system for a company. The client pays 50% deposit direct to the company. This allows the supplier to buy materials. The other 50% is paid into an escrow account. When the job is complete and the client is satisfied they will contact the escrow company to release the other 50%
Well I'm glad for them that they have amounts like that lying around. I'm just an ordinary man in the street that can't even dream about numbers like that
Open the grid to allow a second national, or provincial energy suppliers to supply power. The issue is Eskom has an absolute monopoly - and without other options, they keep customers… If there was competition, they would be forced to run efficiently and stop stealing money.
Greetings from the former South African resident in Pacifica, California. I got solar panels here and they worked fine. But the local utility company plays games with bills!!
I was recommended a company called Safetek Solar by a few friends of mine and I couldn't be happier with the service and the quality of my setup, not to mention the extremely competitive price considering I had recieved about 3 qoutes from other installers as well, highly recommend them if you're looking to get a setup for your home!
How has this guy not been jailed? He is clearly a serial fraudster. I could maybe understand a harsh, but non-jail punishment for a first offender, if they maybe bit off more than they could chew. But when the same person uses the same tactics over and over again, and then simply creates a new company to do it all over again, he should be arrested and jailed. But of course here in SA, we dont take crime seriously (unless tge offender posts a hate-speech comment on Twitter, in which case the full force of the law will be used)
I went direct, bought the equipment i wanted and the installer came to commission, i am happy with my decision and so sorry for everyone who suffered . I have high energy , so i did not mind to be hands on , i even sized my system
Clearly failure or fraud, as many other solar companies have operated just fine. I've had two installations done by a company in Cape Town, and it was all textbook work, done exactly as promised. But yes, I can see why others are asking for recommendations from others now. Wonder what business these guys are now running in 2023.
Pay only for panels as deposit, when that's work done,pay for putting them on. Next pay deposit on batteries, when that arrived,checked ,sign that correct batteries are correct. Next etc
I also had a guy that ripped me off, I was lucky to get the stock out of them, but I had to install everything myself, and also never got the coc. Solar installers are taking advantage of the energy crisis.
Stay clear of Ecopec. That business takes your money, does not give you the product that you paid for an accuses you of defrauding it so that your bank will freeze your account.
Pretty sure the phrase "solar system" is used incorrectly here. Either way, good informative episode. As someone who has gone off grid, I can confirm the available solar companies have their fair share of bad apples
It's worth it and much cheaper buying solar panels and all the equipments yourself and find someone to install them for you lot of affordable solar panels online i bought mine online from a company in Constantia and install them myself... No more loadsheding
So basically it all has the same ending… South Africa is peculiar country. We can’t trust our government to deliver services and nor can we trust private sector. Corruption is clearly at the core 😢 yet we must decide what to do with SOEs
This is exactly like what we went through with the guy who promised us a coffee shop franchise the Corp Cafe in Cape Town. he also took our money and the moment we realised he was fraud, it was too late, he has been promising to refund us and giving one excuse after another. It is now almost a year and he still hasn't refunded our R225000.
Most people are too civilian about Solar and Fly by Night exploit this weakness by making you buy 10 Panel when all you need is 5 with a good Battery Bank.I combine mine with LPG for cooking.Please remember that you can also charge your Batteries with a Generator.
@Michael Jackson The size of your Panels and the amount of sunlight you get will determine the number of Panels you need. Instead of buying a truckload all at once, rather buy three or five based on calculation of your consumption.I live in South Africa 🇿🇦, Panel my needs are minimal because the sun is murderous out here.
The fact is, crooks businessman have a lot freedom to scam their clients, for there is not a system in place to protect consumers: consumers rights are non-existent in the this huge country.
I feel like my parents are currently being scammed but my dad refuses to listen to me and I showed him prove. The company's registration number comes up under another company name. The phone number they provided comes up on a website that lists the number as a number used by scammers. They told my dad he would only have to pay after installation now they are requesting a big deposit after the first day. Also, I came across at least 5 different companies at is situated at the address listed on their quote. I don't know what to do at this point.
Can carte blanche please investigate the licensing offices and driving school instructors. People are tired of hearing that same old story of everyone pays the bribe to get their license.
Not all areas experience the same level. We only have power going of few times a week for two hours and we always recieve a message when power is going off. We have energy storing globes that automatically turn on when power goes off, power banks for wifi and phone, gas stoves and generator for emergencies. Load shedding doesn't really disturb us anymore. Alot of smart south africans have taken similar measures cos takealot has lots of reviews on these stuff, they even have a load shedding section on there app
court summons means nothing in this country. absolutely nothing. had my fair share of experience. and these sort of people run around freely. so many of them.
R196k for a 10KW system with 11kwh battery should have been a big clue, that’s about R100k less than it should be, either they’re using absolute junk or it’s some other scam..I assume they got quotes from others too…
rich people problem. If you have that much to waste without checking, to bad. I research anyone I do business with, because I do not have endless amounts of money lying around.
I wont play with people like this. U take my money. Ill take your life. One phonecall and u are missing.i know very bad people who will take u out for a bottle.
Don't you think you can inspire them with a little beating and a few broken bones to give the money back instead of killing them?,you get satisfaction from killing but the money is still gone.
You don't pay upfront to a mystery man if you are running a business, businesses have accountants and have to account for payments, this guy is a scammer. Lock him up already.
Oh ffs😑. Can't you just do honest business and grow your company? The demand for solar systems in SA is really high, and there should therefore be an abundance of customers. Why screw everything up through laziness, lies and incompetence??
While the fraudsters bear responsibility, individuals looking to purchase solar systems must also exercise caution. Simply contacting the first person you find on Google is not enough; it is crucial to thoroughly research the company and evaluate their track record. Fraudsters typically do not have a positive track record. Additionally, consider the availability of after-sales support and thoroughly investigate this aspect as well. It is advisable to purchase from a reliable source, even if they may be slightly more expensive. The peace of mind and reliability they provide make it worth the investment.
karma is karma and what exactly have you done in life to deserve that?? But wanna cry on national tv coz someone took your money, 10 to one its dirty money are was made doing unsavoury things in the 1st place
Stage 2? How this brings back memories 🤣🤣
I miss stage 2 lol
@@brakes255 i think everyone does 😂😂😂
😂
today the 18th of May 2023 my location is at stage 6 tonight. So, stage 2 was an appetizer fro the main meal that is yest to come, I SAY YET TO COME because there a rumours that stage 16 is in the pipeline followed by a possible 2day scheduled darkness. South Africans should have gotten rid of the ANC long time ago infact after the Thabo Mbeki AIDS mess, we should have known Jacob Zuma would be no different and now we are stuck with Ramaphosa...Failure after Failure
Stage 2 is the best👌
I honestly believe that people like this only do this because they don't fear the potential repercussions of their actions. If they knew that customers are likely to take the law into their own hands, they'd be much less likely to do this fraud.
This is just shocking. So frustrating, dealing with corrupt government and corrupt citizens! How these people sleep at night perplexes me!
👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
The likes of Stephenson and his side kick should be advertised on TV program weekly showing their faces and company names they use ,to stop others from been caught in there web of stealing funds ,lying and not doing what they have been paid upfront to do .
This is why we don't play the cash upfront game. Banks need to develop hold/release capability for these types of transactions.
Escrow.
I can remember a while back standard bank had something like that lets call it "middle man" for buying and selling for individuals, where if you were buying from "me" you paid the bank then they get the goods to you and only then they would release the cash to me. At a small fee ofcourse which was better than losing out big time
@@MusaMashaba *losing
We Drill Africa, Solar-bay, hello-solar and now sunsmart all created by Jonathan Clive Stephenson.
There are certain general rules which generally apply when it comes to payment (solar and other types of work): 50% on acceptance of quotation, and 50% upon successful completion of all the work, tested and working. NEVER ever pay everything up front.
Unfortunelay there are so many dodgy operators/thieves even that 50% upfront they will run away with it.
not really, some time systems can take more than quoted and u need the customer to buy that stock if they want it complete in time. so can go to 80%-90% upfront in solar. completely different from other service industries.
Why don't people buy the solar setup and get someone just for installation? Or is that against the law in South Africa?
Those are the terms that scammer Jonathan Clive Stephenson uses, 50% deposit on order, 35% once work commences, balance upon completion. He gets 85% of R250k system but just installs the panels. CIPC, SARS VAT, bank, hellopeter, facebook reviews all checked out.
@@ozzi4627 there is also alot of dodgy clients, I'm an electrician and installing R100 000 of equipment is a risk we cannot afford to take.
That's Disgusting. They should be arrested
Unfortunately the police are not interested in investigating stolen money by companies like these. They have even nore excuses than these guys.
My clients pay between 100% and 80% upfront. 4 years no problems. You have to go by referrals. The reason for the high deposit is the cost of equipment versus labour to install. Equipment is literally 80 to 90% of the quote
The client should not fund your business! If you can not carry stock, then go and work for a boss.
@@samuelswanepoel7926 I have plenty stock. But I require between 80 and 100% payment before I pass it on.
@@samuelswanepoel7926 dude a battery costs 55k.
I am not going to risk installing such equipment and the client does not pay.
These unscrupulous solar fly by nights are destroying the solar industry.
It’s not just individuals causing harm, solar clients are being sold inferior solar products with little to no warranty recourse.
This has led me to start setting up a quality solar business that will only supply quality solar equipment, not the cheapest option but the right option.
It's not just the quality of the components that's important. It's also the competence of the installers who wire up the components that's crucial. Several houses have had their power backup systems go up in (vicious) flames because of inferior workmanship, e.g., the installers had used the wrong gauge wiring to connect the panels to the inverter, or incorrectly wired isolation switchgear or surge protection, or simply left out critical parts.
It's best to get several quotes from various suppliers and see whether they agree more or less in terms of the parts each lists. Quotes that are significantly different from the others are big red flags.
Our hybrid solar system was commissioned two days ago. And in this time we had clouds and rain. Yet the power stayed on basically for 2 days while only using battery. Today the sun is shining and we're running all our heavy appliances like washing clothes, cooking food, washing dishes, etc. with power purely generate by the PV panels while the batteries are charging at the same time. Loadshedding or not. It was expensive, but in the volitile times we live currently it was a sound investment. Our lives are finally back to normal.
Will you perhaps share what you paid for it? And what the hybrid system entails? In the sense of size of property and what you running off the solar grid....you dont have to share if you dont want to...I have googled and prices differ vastly
Kindly share supplier details
I'm still busy testing the system for the next 30 days so won't release supplier names yet in order to make sure it's 100% fool proof when I do.
The system was R160k excl VAT and consist of: 1x 5kVA Victron MultiPlus2 hybrid inverter, Victron Smart MPPT 150/60 up to 250/70, 2x Revov 48 V 5.1kWh 2nd LiFe R100 batteries and 8x 380 W black PV panels. All components are built into a server rack on wheels which you can shift around in garage as required. So nice for rearranging and cleaning.
Not punting or anything but Marcels Solar seems to have great reviews, know folks who have equipment installed from them about 9 months ago and it works brilliantly - Deye, Greenrich etc
@@Zangettsu_ZA oh you went the victron route. They are tad bit over priced for what it does but is bullet proof.
I am actually in the process of setting up an escrow payment system for a company. The client pays 50% deposit direct to the company. This allows the supplier to buy materials. The other 50% is paid into an escrow account. When the job is complete and the client is satisfied they will contact the escrow company to release the other 50%
Well I'm glad for them that they have amounts like that lying around. I'm just an ordinary man in the street that can't even dream about numbers like that
the company I worked for did not take a deposit - their policy was pay in full after full installation and testing. No issues so far after 5 months.
When someone's caught in a lie it's hilarious listening to them spin it
Thanks to guys like this, I now go around on weekends fixing their mistakes😂
Let me know if you need an assistant 😊
Rainbow nation I love it everyone is in participating in crime
Open the grid to allow a second national, or provincial energy suppliers to supply power.
The issue is Eskom has an absolute monopoly - and without other options, they keep customers… If there was competition, they would be forced to run efficiently and stop stealing money.
Greetings from the former South African resident in Pacifica, California. I got solar panels here and they worked fine. But the local utility company plays games with bills!!
Solarbay is now Sunsmart - be careful. Same MO still doing it to this day.
how are they not behind bars yet, stealing is stealing
Well that's put me off going onto solar power!!
I was recommended a company called Safetek Solar by a few friends of mine and I couldn't be happier with the service and the quality of my setup, not to mention the extremely competitive price considering I had recieved about 3 qoutes from other installers as well, highly recommend them if you're looking to get a setup for your home!
I make it point to check out premises before committing and checking online reviews for credibility. People are so hard to trust with money lately.
Can a segment be done on that law suit in Free State where Eskom tried to ban an organization from using solar power?
How has this guy not been jailed? He is clearly a serial fraudster. I could maybe understand a harsh, but non-jail punishment for a first offender, if they maybe bit off more than they could chew. But when the same person uses the same tactics over and over again, and then simply creates a new company to do it all over again, he should be arrested and jailed. But of course here in SA, we dont take crime seriously (unless tge offender posts a hate-speech comment on Twitter, in which case the full force of the law will be used)
My house was nearly burned down as my installation was done by unqualified people
I went direct, bought the equipment i wanted and the installer came to commission, i am happy with my decision and so sorry for everyone who suffered . I have high energy , so i did not mind to be hands on , i even sized my system
Afternoon, where did you buy direct and who did the labour?
@Teboho Pule I would also-ran like to know that.
I am truly happy to see them exposed
I am a victim as well as an installer that was appointed by them
They disappeared without paying us
Clearly failure or fraud, as many other solar companies have operated just fine. I've had two installations done by a company in Cape Town, and it was all textbook work, done exactly as promised. But yes, I can see why others are asking for recommendations from others now. Wonder what business these guys are now running in 2023.
Pay only for panels as deposit, when that's work done,pay for putting them on. Next pay deposit on batteries, when that arrived,checked ,sign that correct batteries are correct. Next etc
I also had a guy that ripped me off, I was lucky to get the stock out of them, but I had to install everything myself, and also never got the coc. Solar installers are taking advantage of the energy crisis.
Stay clear of Ecopec. That business takes your money, does not give you the product that you paid for an accuses you of defrauding it so that your bank will freeze your account.
Pretty sure the phrase "solar system" is used incorrectly here. Either way, good informative episode. As someone who has gone off grid, I can confirm the available solar companies have their fair share of bad apples
You know, people get killed for way less than this.......
This is major money to me in my life, that movie, a 1000 ways to die comes to mind...... Lol
Who installed those panels? I would make the reinstall, geez
It's worth it and much cheaper buying solar panels and all the equipments yourself and find someone to install them for you lot of affordable solar panels online i bought mine online from a company in Constantia and install them myself... No more loadsheding
Jonathan Clive Stephenson has started a new business SunSmart, the old businesses HelloSolar, SolarBay and We Drill Africa are no longer trading.
How wonderful was Stage 2 ? 😭
These are professional thieves. They need to be treated like thieves. They need a visit.
So basically it all has the same ending… South Africa is peculiar country. We can’t trust our government to deliver services and nor can we trust private sector. Corruption is clearly at the core 😢 yet we must decide what to do with SOEs
Only use reputable referrals. From Architect’s and such. It’s a brand new industry.
The courts and police are not up to training resolving these, criminal, issues.
This is exactly like what we went through with the guy who promised us a coffee shop franchise the Corp Cafe in Cape Town. he also took our money and the moment we realised he was fraud, it was too late, he has been promising to refund us and giving one excuse after another. It is now almost a year and he still hasn't refunded our R225000.
If the pics they showed are of her current setup those inverters aren't supposed to be right next to each other
If the system was working properly this 2 guys were suppose to be in jail. But since we are on our own sorry to client
Protect your solars against lightning like monte casino, siverstar casino, etc etc. Glad i did. The company is based in northcliff.
That price is too good. You can't get a 10kVa system for R195k. I got a very good price on an 8kVa system and it cost me 233k.
Stage 2 you must be joking. We had stage 6 most of the week
Shame.. not everyone is savvy enough to DIY
The norm for solar installers in South Africa.
This crook has got spidy senses. Usually cart blanche can lure them easily
Go for Rubicon from start some small companies are not reliable 😑
I also got ripped by a Mr Richard Roodt. Had take get a court order and still evading the law. Blacklisted!
Cant trust anyone anymore!
Most people are too civilian about Solar and Fly by Night exploit this weakness by making you buy 10 Panel when all you need is 5 with a good Battery Bank.I combine mine with LPG for cooking.Please remember that you can also charge your Batteries with a Generator.
How do I know if I'm buying too many panels if I have enough batteries already
@Michael Jackson The size of your Panels and the amount of sunlight you get will determine the number of Panels you need. Instead of buying a truckload all at once, rather buy three or five based on calculation of your consumption.I live in South Africa 🇿🇦, Panel my needs are minimal because the sun is murderous out here.
Should of taken business insurance. Opened cases at SAPS. They’ll get what they deserve.
I would prefer the money back.
The fact is, crooks businessman have a lot freedom to scam their clients, for there is not a system in place to protect consumers: consumers rights are non-existent in the this huge country.
Yoh, how I long for stage 2😢
I feel like my parents are currently being scammed but my dad refuses to listen to me and I showed him prove. The company's registration number comes up under another company name. The phone number they provided comes up on a website that lists the number as a number used by scammers. They told my dad he would only have to pay after installation now they are requesting a big deposit after the first day. Also, I came across at least 5 different companies at is situated at the address listed on their quote. I don't know what to do at this point.
How can't I find your help with my Matter
Can carte blanche please investigate the licensing offices and driving school instructors. People are tired of hearing that same old story of everyone pays the bribe to get their license.
Why not just go to establish solar businesses with fixed street address?? Don't be fooled on websites
This is wild to watch cause in my countries (Zambia & Australia) electricity is 24/7 😭😹😹😹😹
I'm from Botswana and it must be so bad to live in South Africa.
Not all areas experience the same level. We only have power going of few times a week for two hours and we always recieve a message when power is going off. We have energy storing globes that automatically turn on when power goes off, power banks for wifi and phone, gas stoves and generator for emergencies. Load shedding doesn't really disturb us anymore. Alot of smart south africans have taken similar measures cos takealot has lots of reviews on these stuff, they even have a load shedding section on there app
Zambia must help SA, its really bad here😢😢😢
@@vundlakazi Your issue has to do more with corruption than anything else unfortunately.
PROMISE AS SOON AS I WIN THE LOTTO OR ROB A BANK I'LL INSTALL
Legend 😂😂
court summons means nothing in this country. absolutely nothing. had my fair share of experience. and these sort of people run around freely. so many of them.
Publish his phone number we will make use of his business
Just google Jonathan Clive Stephenson
sies using meccer ,sunsinc all the way
These fraudsters are not even smart enough to lie convincingly! I do not know how people can be conned by them at all!
R196k for a 10KW system with 11kwh battery should have been a big clue, that’s about R100k less than it should be, either they’re using absolute junk or it’s some other scam..I assume they got quotes from others too…
rich people problem. If you have that much to waste without checking, to bad. I research anyone I do business with, because I do not have endless amounts of money lying around.
Is it a BEE beneficiary or its those who use the advantage of not wanting to be included.
for this money you could install 3 different systems
all these companies are milking it 10kw system materials is 70k-80k
I wont play with people like this. U take my money. Ill take your life. One phonecall and u are missing.i know very bad people who will take u out for a bottle.
Don't you think you can inspire them with a little beating and a few broken bones to give the money back instead of killing them?,you get satisfaction from killing but the money is still gone.
Well said. I agree fully!
The is option for energy because it recycling ♻️or it never stops ✋😅
Can we please work with you to reduce this somehow ?
These guys need to be locked up for a long time.
200k for 10wkh system wow geting scamed
You don't pay upfront to a mystery man if you are running a business, businesses have accountants and have to account for payments, this guy is a scammer. Lock him up already.
Stage 2 !? .... more like stage 6
Scammers are everywhere!
Jonathan Stephenson hard core criminal
I spent almost a year to get my solar system installed. I understand he has quit the industry. I suspect he is on to his next scam.
I wonder if they learnt this from whatvis hoing on at eskom?
no excuse. if over 100k for solar is reasonable to you ,well deserved love. wtf
if you think paying eskom for power (when its on) is cheaper or more convenient, I think you need to go back to maths class
@@MW9X12 no man, the price maybe you need to relax
@@thafish5750 yes, the price. that is what is reasonable. need some english lessons too lol
Free Tesla energy incoming ...but i guess you wont know
Oh ffs😑. Can't you just do honest business and grow your company? The demand for solar systems in SA is really high, and there should therefore be an abundance of customers. Why screw everything up through laziness, lies and incompetence??
While the fraudsters bear responsibility, individuals looking to purchase solar systems must also exercise caution. Simply contacting the first person you find on Google is not enough; it is crucial to thoroughly research the company and evaluate their track record. Fraudsters typically do not have a positive track record. Additionally, consider the availability of after-sales support and thoroughly investigate this aspect as well. It is advisable to purchase from a reliable source, even if they may be slightly more expensive. The peace of mind and reliability they provide make it worth the investment.
I wonder if the fake Dr was arrested
Stage 2077
this is enough to want to bash someon... Never just use any body ..do your homework
He was buying for stolen stuff, bs
Call me a doubting Thomas but I don't believe them. 👎
😷 ?
Not at all thanks you
karma is karma and what exactly have you done in life to deserve that??
But wanna cry on national tv coz someone took your money, 10 to one its dirty money are was made doing unsavoury things in the 1st place
So you two walk in the house with your masks on, sit down at the table and then take them off. Really!!!!
They we far apart in the house 🙂.