King Charles III's secret love affair... with another country | The New Statesman
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- For decades the King has been making private visits to a tiny village in Transylvania, Romania. This secret "affair of the soul" reveals much about what the King really believes - and what kind of a king he will be.
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In this video, Rachel Cunliffe interviews Will Lloyd about his expedition to the Transylvanian village of Viscri, an area King Charles III believes holds the key to saving the planet. They discuss what this belief says about the King's personal world view, and why that matters - as the UK marks the coronation of King Charles and Queen Camilla.
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Romania is a hauntingly beautiful country. My grandfather was born there. It's a country that's been through much tragedy, yet the people are the friendliest,kindest, and most welcoming you will ever meet!
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Romanian gangs of thieves and pickpockets have been the scourge of Europe for decades - my own wallet just one of hundreds stolen weekly in Amsterdam by a gang of young Romanian men.
Yes is beautiful place but We didn't like selling our country, to foreigners!
@@elenafaurescu4673 I don't blame you! Foreigners want to come in and take over all the resources while the citizens get nothing and live in poverty and that's not right we have to get bad leaders out if we have to do it by force you guys have done it by force you might have to do it again and I support you wholeheartedly I'll be right there beside you!🇷🇴❤️🇷🇴
@@elenafaurescu4673 Who are "we"? Those "we" are quite numerous, and they actually did like selling land, forests, factories etc. to foreigners. Those "we" are either regular folks (like Ion, Maria, Gheorghe...)who sold their land and forests with no problem whatsoever, or greedy politicians who also liked selling pretty much everything they could in order to get in rich.
Few people know that King Charles wrote a book about the flora in Transylvania called The Transylvania Florilegium (2 volumes published in 2018 and 2019). When he visited the country, he observed the wild flowers and diverse countryside that’s currently under threat from changes in farming practice. The focus was on the rare and precious flora of Transylvania. He declared that in UK the same flora dissapeared, to his regret, due to farming industrialisation. That is another reasons why he visits Romania, because here he's having his piece of heaven in nature.
Yes but King Charles III is also a globalist part of the Deep State and their agenda is to destroy the flora and fauna of the European countries . Unfortunately but it is true . His colleague from Davos Switzerland Charles Schwab the President of the WEF has his agenda of the Great Reset . They are destroying many countries with climate lockdown , ( eg New York ) and introducing the insects 🐜 flour in our food , and many other changes such as the cutting ( deforestation ) all the forests 🌳 in Romania and the Rosia Montana gold mines are in their hands for the extraction of gold as well as the oil from the Black Sea . By the deforestation they are destroying the climate the weather change and there are many areas and villages with families and people flooded . Cattle and cows 🐄 killed by the floods and more and more poverty rises . The ecosystem had been destroyed not only in Romania but all over Europe as well . ( NE of Italy and many other countries ) .
I visited Romania in 2017 and stayed in KC Viscri and Zalonpatek Saxon cottages.
They were superb and can fully understand KC love of the historical, tranquil part of Transylvania.❤
Viscri, or Deutsch-Weisskirch
The Viscri cottage is Saxon but the Zalonpatek cottages are not Saxon but Secui/Szekler.
@Cypher in that part of Transylvania everybody lives in Saxon style houses, Romanians and Hungarian too, depending on the county you have different cultures, Transylvania is very diverse.
I am also fascinated with Romania, this country is like no other Eastern European country
The difference is the Latin origin of the majority of population. The rest of Eastern Europe is populatied by slavic and hungarian people.
@Cypher what do you meant. Excep the Estonian the others Baltic people have nothing to do with the Finno-ugric people. They are thracians descendents speaking strong latin languages related languages . Nothing connecting the Finno-ugric to the others thracian/Lithuanian/Latvian/romanian languages. Except the Khazars bringing the turkish and huns agresiv warrior culture în Europe.
The King has properties in three different villages, not only the one in Viscri. And he likes the local cuisine, the villagers are very fond of him.
The whole Romania is like that, not just Transylvania ❤
Will lloyd is incredibly articulate and he speaks with far more clarity and thought than most interviewers I've heard!!!!!!!!
I understood he was actually the interviewee ....
He is absolutely arrogant to call people of Romania poor, less wealthy or village people! They are citizen of Romania! he obviously consider himself upper class, then he could put a bit more effort into his outfit!!!!
@@jaguar5969 Exactly! Charles might consider himself a member of the 'elite' but not in the sense that those of us who are awake and aware understand it!
I TOO have a love affair with Romania - it is a wonderful country with lovely people. I have been there several times over many years, touring most of the country in a campervan. The countryside is unspoilt and outstanding. Because Ceausescu just let towns and cities rot, they were never "improved" or demolished and replaced with concrete, and are thus utter gems of architecture. We only visited Timisoara because that was where the revolution against Ceausescu started - and found fabulous Habsburg architecture waiting to be restored. It is now restored and Timisoara is the 2003 European City of Culture.
Bran Castle was given to Queen Marie, Victoria's granddaughter, on her marriage to the Romanian king. A jewel of a castle. Marie apparently used to host hashish parties for the local women. There is a photo of Marie - and she is the spitting image of Princess Margaret - who also had an interesting reputation.
Charles was visiting the Saxon villages there during one of our visits. I am absolutely at one with Charles on his love of Romania - it remains our favourite destination. (and I missed being a shipmate with him by a couple of months - HMS Minerva)
l knew it that too many masons wanted this country for many reasons...that s why we don t have country anymore and more than half population it s outside country.... Romania need to belong to others... that s why they ve killed ceausescu.... ceausescu was a patriot...charles is a monster.... hell is open waiting for him
King Charles honored us greatly yesterday by doing his first official visit after the Coronation to Romania of all countries. Long live the king and God bless the UK !
No, You are wrong. We don't need foreigners to come and get our land.They have enough....
Romania is one of those rare places where the traditional European milieu has survived despite industrialisation. As such that makes it very romantic (I am not punning on its name) and that fact has appealed to me from my pre-teen age several decades ago.
As an American I find this the most intelligent, insightful and useful view of the UK monarchy and King Charles.
I can't remember being so interested in an interview. Absolute quality!
Charles sounds quite sympathetic in this discussion. A thinker, a sensitive person, an intuitive person, a person who tries to do good. Be grateful you have such a king who cares about society, his people and the world. As for Romanian society changing, well that is normal. Each place, each culture and each society is constantly changing and facing new challenges and problems. It is to Charles credit that he has tried to find solutions to those challenges and problems.
‘Charles declares Mumbai shanty town model for the world
Dwellers go about their daily routine in the Dharavi slum in Mumbai. Photograph: Daniel Berehulak/Getty Images
Robert Booth
Friday, 6 February 2009 00.01 GMT
The Mumbai shanty town featured in the film Slumdog Millionaire offers a better model than does western architecture for ways to house a booming urban population in the developing world, Prince Charles said yesterday.
Dharavi, a Mumbai slum where 600,000 residents are crammed into 520 acres, contains the attributes for environmentally and socially sustainable settlements for the world’s increasingly urban population, he said. The district’s use of local materials, its walkable neighbourhoods, and mix of employment and housing add up to “an underlying intuitive grammar of design that is totally absent from the faceless slab blocks that are still being built around the world to ‘warehouse’ the poor”.
The prince’s comments are likely to be seen as a criticism of western developers who export plans for large-scale, often high-rise buildings to developing countries. They will also come as a boost for residents of the Mumbai slums who protested against Slumdog Millionaire for characterising them as “dogs” and fought attempts to demolish their homes to make way for skyscrapers.
The prince was addressing a conference at St James’s Palace organised by his Foundation for the Built Environment. The charity is attempting to involve local people in the redesign of slum areas in Freetown in Sierra Leone, Kingston in Jamaica and impoverished areas of New Orleans which were hit by Hurricane Katrina.
The prince, who visited Dharavi in 2003, said the adaptation of traditional settlements would deliver “more durable gains than those delivered through the present brutal and insensitive process of globalisation that is shaping so many aspects of how we live”.
He warned that a soaring urban population - rising from 50% of all the world’s inhabitants today to 70% by 2050 - could only be accommodated without disastrous social and environmental consequences by developing local urban design rather than “a single monoculture of globalisation”.
“I strongly believe that the west has much to learn from societies and places which, while sometimes poorer in material terms are infinitely richer in the ways in which they live and organise themselves as communities,” he told planners, charity workers and government officials.
“It may be the case that in a few years’ time such communities will be perceived as best equipped to face the challenges that confront us because they have a built-in resilience and genuinely durable ways of living.”
He shared a platform with Jockin Arputham, founder of the National Slum Dwellers Federation of India, who attacked attempts by foreign investors to clear large parts of Dharavi and replace them with 23-storey apartments. “I am a slum dweller, not a slumdog,” he said, in reference to Danny Boyle’s film.
“Many developing countries look to the west as a model but that cannot be the model. These [western] buildings use too much power and would not be affordable for us. In India the population has gone beyond all control and it is wrong to expect western development to help us.”’
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Romania has the last large wild wooded lands in Europe. Nothing wrong with wanting to conserve it.
They're not a pot of jam...
@@ForbiddenPlanetB Nothing wrong with conserving nature.
According to Interpol, 30% of globally traded timber comes from illegal sources, and more than half of it is harvested in Romania. Until 2018, approximately 20 million cubic meters of timber were cut down in Romania each year, all without documentation or authorization.
@@PopularesVox Yep, a lot goes to Austria.
... ancient forest theft ... by close and far westerns ... brothers in crimes, all, ... and this is only some ... of all looting going on ...
I loved Old Architecture and would love to visit Romania, I hope it continues to keep its Soul!❤
I totally agree about taking notes on learning from Romania Culture
we should all go back to nature!
What a lovely and uncharacteristically uplifting piece.
Thank you ✊🏽💐
King Charles is very loved and welcomed in Romania for his real love for the country and its people
@@ritaarmitage2055 How blinkered can you be?!
Take him. Please.
@@fokkerfilms560 He's yours, keep him.
Charles is insincere because he bought into the very wicked WEF. Very sad.
Absolutely liked/loved this video for its insightful view of the King's peculiar fascination of this tiny village in Transylvania, Romania. However, another interesting fact eludes this conversation concerning the King's pedigree. Charles is also well aware he is descended from Vlad III (1431-1476), commonly known as Vlad the Impaler or Vlad Dracula. Often considered one of the most important rulers in Wallachian history and a national hero of Romania.
Thank you for commenting on King Charles III descendence from Vlad III of Romania.
Bingo. This information came to my mind immediately I heard that the country was Romania. I don’t know the connection with the old Vald. But it makes sense!
@@janicejames3005 No point! Vlad has nothing to do with King Charles III! Internationally, historians see no connection between the Rhédey Hungarian family and Vlad Tepes. There are a great many codices available on the genealogy of the Rhédey dynasty. Nowhere in them is there a connection to the princely kinship of the Havasalföld. The Rhédey family was a branch of the Aba clan.
@@juz3r1 Charles stated on national he was a direct descendant of Vlad the Impaler. Romania immediately declared him a Prince - Charles responded by buying up land, especially forests. A quick google reveals that Charles is indeed the great-gggg-grandfather of the fanged creature of the night - Count Dracula!!! 🦇🦇🧛♂🦇🦇
Thank you for mentioning the King s passion about Romania and His Majesty has been a true promoter of our touristic lands since 1998.
I saw a Deutsche Welle programme in youtube about Romania’s forests being rapidly clear cut for IKEA factories (for example)
I just researched on YT and saw it for myself. Once they’re cut down, they will never return.
Yes. Ikea and austria cut our forests . Please tell to everybody in EU to stop cut our ancestral forests from the time of Dracula Aka Vlad Tepes
Them and the austrians.But the austrians also come with 4x4 to hold races through protected nature reserves.Someone should remind them that they started world war 1.
I have just got back from a trip to Romania. wonderful place!
To understand who Charles really is, read: The antichrist and a cup of tea, by Tim Cohen
Yes, Do please read it. The book is proof positive that you can be demonstrably insane and STILL find a publisher. It gives hope to anyone who believes that everyone has a book in them.
@@neilmcbeath954 It is abundantly clear that you, yourself, have not read the book. You are completely incapable of disproving the validity of the book, and are attempting to divert people's attention away from the book using only opinion and attempting to discredit people who read it as mad, and the author as mad, having no proof at all whatsoever to back up your opinion.
It is clear you are completely mad and no doubt a government troll.
Very interesting comments 👍
Charles is unique in many ways even to other monarchs he considers everything possible
He’s definitely agreat advocate In preserving heritages and protecting the world from wastages of mankind’s illiteracys.
Intuitive indeed probably born with it.
Romania looks lovely 😀👍
Illiteracies …
King Charles have a special conection with Romania.
He love this contry and the romanian people and we all the romanians apreciate that.
He is a King but he act with people like a normal man.
i am Romanian and i love love love Transylvania, although i am born and raised in Bucharest. I totally admire K. Charles implication in nature conservation and slow living because i am a ecologist and natural lifestyle lover myself. To be honest, not many Romanians (from Bucharest and main cities ) are fond of this, they dont understand why he is visiting this area (which most Romanians dont consider it true Romanian because it belonged to saxon minorities) and why he likes it so much. I know that whenever i visit Transylvania villages there are only few Romanian speaking tourists there (if ever!) and instead we find mostly foreigners. Bucharest Romanians usually go to southern Karpathians areas, or Moldavia district, to the seaside, or the Danube Delta, but almost never to Transylvania. In fact this area is considered to be Romanian territory that was wrongly occupied by the saxons, germans and hungarian minorities, which Romanians dont agree with politically. For me however, Transylvania is the most treasured place in my heart, the most beautiful, and i love that KCharles saw this potential too. This is also the land of so many stunning mansions and chateaus that belonged to the aristocratic hungarian families before the communism era. It is such a beauty-full part of history (which Romanians dont appreciate much because they think this heritage is not true Romanian). Anyway, im feeling proud that KC chose to visit this place particularly, after his coronation and i hope this area will not get overcrowded because he is promoting it. The peacefulness there is out of this world.
You have no idea what you are talking about
By Romanians you mean wallachians and Moldovans, we definitely get along e really well with Hungarians and Germans in Transylvania and we love our region a lot too…
@@dacian_1346 yes I agree and do not forget the turkish community in south dobrogea and the Russian/Ukrainian community in the Danube delta (lipovenii) this guy has no idea what he is talking about
@@atharvaveda87 mai mult de atât, promovează o propaganda de origine Kazara de separare a romanilor și de distrugere a culturii și legăturilor lor.
It is true, he has loads of property there too.
Thanks so very much for providing a broader insight into the man King Charles is. You have added more dimentionality. From listening I have gained a deeper understanding of the seriousness with which Charles participated in the religious coronation ceremony. I watched every minute of it on the BBC and was both in love with the music, the Dean of the Abby, the specticle, and also continuously perplexed by by the dichotomies, the opposites, the numerous clashing viewpoints people both in Britain and elsewhere feel about the spectacle. And as an American, I was thoughtful about the continuing non-separation of Church and State in Britain. Most of all there seemed to me to be a three-sided complexity in (1) the mix of ancient and obsolete symbolism--which seems somewhat harmonious with (2) the present need to support and symboliize stability in a very disorderly world, versus (3) the pressures to modernize by converting to a totally democratic governing structure. And all along I wondered whether my reading of Charles' own feelings, intentions, desires while undertaking the ceremony were on the mark or not. And I wondered at and struggled with own feelings which seemed to be at odds with each other, according to the division of three just mentioned. I believe I have decided that all is pretty well in Britain with Charles' influences. His job carries tremendous responsibility in maintaining a wholesome balance, and despite all the shortcomings of the monarchy, he has the heart for it.
Wow I certainly didn't expect to encounter such a well-considered and rational position on a New Statesman video comment section.
Charles is Head WEF. klaus Schwab reports to him.They are behind covid 19 a along w other global predators Fauci, i Gates, Biden and the rest of Deepstate all have ties to him He had Diana killed to Keep her quiet! The global predators are all evil!! They all made trillions w the toxic vaccines! All will be revealed!!
Do you realise KC is part of the one world order? ……depopulation.
Yes, The Coronation was put together very well but you missed a few rude slip ups.
Only an elitist could have such a romantic view of centuries of grinding poverty.
Charles Péguy would take you to task for being so patronising towards a people JUST because they are “poor”.
Their proud identity, culture, consciousness, history, drama counts for more than that.
@@tonkabeancat1117Agreed. That is wealth.
@@sararichardson737 Saint Marx himself regretted the passing of feudalism…met CP THEN conveniently appropriated his French Christian socialism - just left out the entire equation of love or empathy as a force.
Or a cannibal.
In Transylvania we are very proud of our heritage, this is rich not poor… having a culture, preserving traditions is something not many can say they have
Charles is a different man to most, a deep thinking feeling person. It is worth people finding out more about him and his work while waiting to to become king. The Princess Trust is quite wonderful.
But which person is he thinking and feelin after drinking all that blood . Mind you his mate Jimmy was feeling quite liberally in those BBC rooms .
Strange that- he wants to preserve Romania, but couldn’t care less about he country he has just been crowned to rule.. why are so any Romanians loving over here either legally or illegally?
Who said they love it here? They are in the UK temporary - just for work. Many of them have already returned home especially since Romania has developed dramatically in the last few years. It's an European country with strenghts and weakness as any other country. BTW, Romanians are not in the UK illegally - as you've stated above
Yes, they believe God and their families would be displeased if they live differently. Charles would have the people believe that the Planet or the Green Man ( embroidered on Princess Catherine's dress) would be displeased.
You can’t be Romanian and in the UK illegally lmao.
I was doing my best, like all good republicans, to avoid at all costs any coverage of the coronation today and then stumbled on your video which seemed the perfect antidote. What a pleasant surprise to find such a thoughtful, insightful and respectful conversation that removed some of the mystery for me about what makes King Charles tick. I find myself coming away liking and respecting some of the values of the man, if not the institution.
Whilst King Charles' conception of "Nature" as static might be flawed, his battle against some of the destructive forces in our world is much needed and appreciated by many. I can't help thinking that it's a tragedy that his entrapment in the royal ivory tower of privelege is the very thing that's isolated him from the people that might otherwise have been able to join forces with him.
Thank you for your considered and thoughtful reply.
Well said, on a personal level I like Charles,but we should never trample on the memories of our fallen comrades.
I think we may be confusing nature with evolution here. Nature's existence is not so much static as travelling on a circular route, whereas evolution, by definition is a more linear path within that route.
Not only is the King generally popular, but the one advantage of his spectacular privilege is that whilst it gives him a platform, unlike a President he cannot be easily bought by industrialists or other politicians.
@@greghill7759 I could probably make an argument that the monarch is contained in his public influence by politicians even if he's independent-minded, since his role is mostly ceremonial - though the Guardian has been revealing for months now how the monarch has secretively used veto rights to gain exclusions from laws the rest of us must follow. So whilst monarchy is independent of politics it is still exercising power, purely for self-interested motives.
@@greghill7759 Absolutely! 👏Hear hear.
Romania is an advanced country its one of the most advanced. And it has villages too. The king has Romanian Royal blood in him related to Dracula thats why he goes there the interviewer is kind of blunt and doesn’t mention it all.
He's related with Vlad the Impaler or Vlad Dracul, the leader of Vallachia. But not Dracula, which is a character from Bram Stoker's book.
What a treat to listen to Will Lloyd being interviewed by Rachel Cunliffe in regards of King Charles III interest in Viscri, among other rural areas in Transylvania, with all its ecological, social, spiritual connotations. A smart and engaging conversation that sheds light on the King's personal outlook to the aforementioned topics. I wonder how could his example be adopted by all of us in our own terrain to the best of our possibilities to render a better future for generations to follow. Thank you for an interesting description.
This was fascinating. I want to go there too! Perhaps we should leave cars many miles away and parachute in, allowing only a certain amount of tourists in per year 🤗
My parents escaped from Hungary in 1956, not only to get away from the harsh vice-grip of Soviet communism, but to get off the farms and away from the agrarian lifestyles they were forced to live. They escaped their hard and oppressed farm lives of the kind still experienced by the Romanians of which King Charles so staunchly advocates.
Me thinks its a fiefdom Charles yearns for.
I was thinking the same, all too romanticised, pitch forks and all that, that's real hard work bet they would prefer a tractor!
When is the last time you've visited Romania? 😂
@@mistymoor7114 There are tractors, of course. And pitchforks.
Farm work is hard work....when has KC actually labored in the work of farming? He has buckets of money and can buy land in Romania....big deal....is he out there sweating in the fields bringing in the harvest????
That says it all though, doesn't it - you would like to visit this unspoiled place, but that would just compound the tragedy - Charles has been visiting it for 30 years.
My goodness, even the New Statesman has joined the sycophants. Why no context in this discussion? For example you could have contrasted his interest in the people of Romania with his interest in the people of the Scilly Isles who have a lot to say about how his ownership of their islands means they are treated like plebs and are forever pleading for basics like street lighting. The UK is fast becoming the North Korea of the west, with everyone bowing and singing the praises of their dear leader, and everyone seemingly afraid to speak out. From an outsider's perspective, it is all vey bizarre - beyond belief!!
Well, if Charles' aim is to take us back to a 12th century agrarian lifestyle, none of us will have street lighting as we won't have any electricity!
Does he go to this timeless place by helicopter convoy?
No.
@@neilmcbeath954 does he go fox hunting there?
@@PeleSahota No.
@@neilmcbeath954 is the journey worth the carbon footprint?
@@PeleSahota Very probably.
I was born in Transylvania and I appreciate this show!
My father came from Laslea (or Gros Laslen). It was one of those Saxon villages, a community of Transylvanian Saxons. Seeing the cattle in the streets brought back memories of visiting as a child in the late 1960s and 70s.
So beautiful the cows!🤗🙏🙏🙏
@@patrickbonterre3267 I'm sure they called them buffalo at the time. I would ride them on their way back into the village when I was 6. They used to leave in a long parade out in the morning, along with the goats, and arrive back early evening. I remember holding a new born billy goat for a photograph. I remember not liking the food that much....they had a soup with some kind of yellow dumpling in it, which I avoided! I've seen similar in Polish food? The plum jam was my favourite. We had plum trees in the back garden, and a barn full of hay. Chickens too. Used to enjoy collecting the eggs. Nature can be cruel, and I was unfortunate to see a lame chicken being pecked to death.
We had a terrifying thunderstorm on my second visit when I was 10. A tree fell through the roof after taking a direct hit. I loved walking through the village. There were tin toys, pretzels. We would try to go fishing in the river Kokle. Lots of freshwater mussels. Even took a dip on day, but with my dad had to rescue my brother who get caught in the current.
I watched the original film of Nosferatu and scenes in that film definitely reminded me of the Kokle, and the countryside in general.
I remember the village church and the terrifying pastor, delivering a fire and brimstone sermon....pointing his finger at the congregation.
I also remember the al fresco dinners where many would be seated, and dressed in traditional costume.
Hope one day to be able to go back there. I heard my grandparents house was on the market, its owners in Spain, apparently having lost interest. They got it for nothing after my family left with almost all the Saxon community after Communism was overthrown. I amazed the houses are still there, in slight disrepair. even the old water butts. I noted the 4 by 4s in some of the drives when I found recent photographs online. See, I remember when the roads were just dust tracks. We were taken by horse and cart to the nearest railway station.
aww bless,. they were probably all romanying around wondering why the fuk all the nazi scumbags nicked all thier trucks!
@@patrickbonterre3267 those cows go to pasture alone ,only you walking with them :)
@@LucyOLastic we have buffalos in Transylvania too, they’re different from cattle and cows
Do we truly know how he live in Romania, did he dress, cook for himself, did he go out shopping for himself. Your description of KC being solo in Romania is unreal.
He usually travels with a few staff members, but the personal chef is not included as he eats the local food. He does like to explore the hills and mountains on foot.
He's been visiting Romania almost every year since 1998.
His properties can be rented when he's not there, you can actually sleep in his houses.
@@omi685 People there have been living there in harmony with nature for thousand of years. Winters are long and harsh, but in Summer nature explodes with diversity. Those areas have never seen artificial fertilizers or pesticide. Households produce almost zero garbage, everything is reused. Nature and air is pristine clean. Diversity of flower plants and beauty of insects is breathtaking. Animals are fed grass that grows on pastures for thousand of years. People work very hard on fields but the food they produce I think is the best in the world. People there are very strong and healthy. The only time they stop hard work is in Winter but even then they have to look after their animals. If you live in the noizy modern world and go there once you will go back for sure. That's exactly K Charles experience!
@@catalinnicolae4443 I know, I own a property there too 🙂
Countess Claudine Susanna Rhédey von Kis-Rhéde (Hungarian: Gróf kisrédei Rhédey Klaudina Zsuzsanna; 21 September 1812 - 1 October 1841) born in Sankt Georgen auf der Heide, Kingdom of Hungary, Austrian Empire (now Sângeorgiu de Pădure, Transylvania, Romania) was the Hungarian wife of Duke Alexander of Württemberg. Her son, Francis, Duke of Teck, was the father of Mary of Teck, queen consort to George V of the United Kingdom. The current British monarch, Charles III, is Claudine's great-great-great-grandson. Also the land of my mother's maternal ancestors. Breathtakingly beautiful. 💖
Mr WEF and friends to the Rotheschilds and schwab and Saville. Such lovely company
pity he doesn't, have the same love and respect for Cornwall.
Or the United Kingdom and it's people if he loves Romania so much and does a lot more for that country than he does for this one maybe he should go and rule over there ,
It will be interesting to see what effect his son will have on the place
assume you're Cornish, interested to hear the local perspective on what the future of Cornwall should look like - it is just a case of limiting second-home ownership/capping house prices, but still encouraging tourism? what kind of economy and work do cornish people want?
I've been following Cornwall Live and various other news from there for years and have the resulting impression that he does a lot for Cornwall.
I believe that Cornwall voted strongly for Brexit - given how much it benefited from EU funding, this was a bizarre act of self sabotage and it probably does indeed need all the help it get now.
Fingers crossed, he moves there with his entire family🤞🙏🙏🙏
He could feed the poor with his sausage fingers
@@BitRench which poor?
@@cn9114 There's no poor people in England?
goodbye cami dear, don't come back
@@cn9114 All of them.
I learned about KC interest in the area quite some time ago - and that he owns land and farms there, producing food. My informant told me that this is prestigious land highly suited for organic farming production and export. I"m not convinced that his interest in the area is 'romantic' or 'steeped in history' but rather that its a very practical approach to organic food sourcing. However, interestingly apparently more recently he has approved GMO farming somewhere .. not sure of the rest of the story:D
He has, in the UK, he's a strong supporter of agenda 2030 and intrduced the WEF great reset. Not impressed.
How does this fit into the World Economic Forum's plans. ???
I had no idea what a radical romantic Charles is, quite dangerous really.
The saxon dynamic is because the growth of the Holy Roman Empire, essentially Germanic after Charlemagne's grandchildren divided the Carolingian empire into four, was initially in a position to take the right bank of the Rhine to the North Sea. Austro-Hungary did much the same on the Danube, and when the two joined, the two covered from the North Sea to the Black Sea. c1400, the Ottomans threatened Constantinople, so the Emperor started reinforcing the lands with more combattive personalities, calming the areas they'd left. Dracula's an interesting offshoot: traumatised from his experiences as an adolescent hostage, he started repaying the Turks in kind, and then started in on the locals. That caused the Saxons to start complaining to their kin, whence the Germanic dynamic of the legend.
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Austria-Hungary didn’t exist back then, it exists only from 1867 to 1918
@@dacian_1346 From 1759 to 1910 until the fall of the Empire ( French Empire and Austrian - Hungarian Empire were together ) .
@@user-bx8so1zv2l that was Austrian empire… there was no Hungary… Hungary seized to exist when the ottomans conquered the Hungarian kingdom and it started to exist again after 1867 under the Habsburg crown ( so still formally Austria ).
@@dacian_1346 correct 👍
Charles bailed out of Viscri years ago and now goes to another village in a different part of Transylvania which I'm delighted to see Will Lloyd doesn't know about...
I'd be more than happy for the royal family to give away all their wealth and go and live a simple rural life
Sure, as long as all that wealth will end up with you, I guess?! Dream on, sugar!
“Ah pedigree human breeding farm “ orange Britain summed up in one fckn sentence
So what? You’re saying he’s a vampire? I think Transylvania sounds very intelligent to me.
Meaningful discourse
Utter ballax.
So Charles wants us all to work from dawn to dusk in backbreaking labour tilling the fields in the nearest thing to an 11th century feudal system with a lord like him living in glorious patronal luxury as he throws out a few crusts now and then. Sorry mate, no thanks. This ridiculous idea reminds me of the Star Trek (original series) episode "Who Mourns For Adonais?". Most of us have no use for Charles. And I am not impressed by the apparent use Charles thinks he should make of us.
"most of us", is, in fat, still a minority. Latest polls suggest that the coronation has solidified support for the king.
Absolutely loved your presentation. The paradox of our very notice of the place changes what was lived and admired is so true of every aspect of our awareness even when we do not see it or are unable to quantify it. This has been so ever since the garden of Eden and the forbidden fruit.
It's easy to understand his appreciation for it. From history, to work and family ties.
Harry has no sense of embodying an Office. It is also important to remember that ‘Spare’ was constructed by a professional writer
He's not an intelligent man - the last "near catastrophic crash" lie, proves it once again
@@mimymar2215 where do you think these ideas come from...the narcissist he's married to
Really interesting discussion and a great guest, thanks!
His Uncle Vlad is what Dracula was based on. Makes sense. Charles is quite Mad.
He is not related with Vlad Dracula, British Ambassador, tell the Romanian reporter they need more prof about the connection with Vlad Dracula
@@mihaelafilipescu5818 There is video of Charles saying he is related to Vlad the Impaler.
Uncle Vlad? :))) Now that's a good one! Did you ever bother to read about the time period of Vlad the Impaler's reign? That was hundreds of years ago, and KC's relationship with Vlad's bloodline was an extremely distant one.
They like blood.. The younger and darker the better. Vampires is just a cover. Evil personified.
@@lynncuthbert2307 hahahahahaha you really are a basket case...Jeezalloo :))))
I totally enjoyed this broadcast. Thank you.
This story is so cool. Who knew that King Charles had a secret life? He's a man of many interests, which makes him interesting.
He's interesting all right. Climate Change is in God's plan..not Mankind...it's to take over the world...
I think he is also a lover of Tibet and very supportive of the Monks, and unforgiving of China’s treatment of Tibet and it’s people. Prince Charles is pretty much a supporter of the underdogs, and nature. I am sure that if he could , he would create a Utopia. It’s a shame that Harry and Meghan labeled him a racist. I think King Charles is a great human being, but one with a short attention for the formality and bourgeois society. He was born into wealth therefore he cannot run away from it, but I think he will try to influence changes that will benefit the underserved. God save the king.
antichrist
@@melitaaitcheson-johnson5905 You are fooled and will see how evil he really is
Valerie Connor Charles isthehead of the WRFKlaus Schwab answers to him! Ge and other world leaders are global predators! They made trillions w their toxic bsccines!! They want total world domination!! Communism!! Totalitarionism hHe had Diana Killed to keep her quiet!
I can appreciate all of this, except the "tragedy" of being a royal and being "trapped" in their ivory tower. Have any of you ever been poor or appreciate how socio-economic structures bear down upon the "lower classes", especially today, right now!?
Structures which DIRECTLY enrich the oligarchs, royalty included and especially are allowed to flourish, and are being given a pass by media.
This conversation is so tone deaf. Why is the same imagination not applied to those whose hopes, lives, health, educations, shelter and entire future prospects, have been eviscerated by a system and its figureheads, who parasitically siphon wealth and power from the rest of us?!
I've had enough of middle-class talking heads pontificating on the fate and disadvantages faced by the most privileged and FREE people on the planet. Your rhetoric drips with sycophancy!
Want to do something useful with your platform? Advocate for the least powerful and hold the oligarchy to account. Maybe then you'll understand your true purpose as journalists, and fill the obvious spiritual void you're trying to fill with your promotion of the biggest grifters on earth. Makes me wonder what the payoff is for neutrally calling these "relections" or "exposés" of the super wealthy, when all they are is PR.
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He's actually Dracula, secretly checking on his people.
Transylvania is unique for at least three reasons:
- is isolated from the rest of the world by the Carpathian ridge, which surround it from all sides and which can be accessed only through few narrow passes and defilees. This iolation is responsible for its natural and cultural pecularity and well preservation or archaic lifestyle in some more remote areas.
- the Carpathians are very wild. Up to early 20th century where still covered by impenetrable, prehistoric forests for much of their surface. Added to the rugged relief, dense network of rivers and rich wildlife (only bears are exceding 6,000), it makes them the wildest part of Europe
- the cultural diversity is also amazing. Hungarians, Saxons, Romanians were not uniformly distributed. There are areas where Hungarians are majority (Szekely Land is a large Hungarian enclave), areas where Romanians are majority and up to erly 20th century, Saxons were majority in several areas of Southern Transylvania (Viscri is a Saxon village). But besides this, there is a smaller-scale diversity. Each village had a different ethnic and religious evolution, passing from majoritary Hungarian to majoritary Romanian, or from Catholic to Calvin, or Lutheran, or Unitarian (Transylania and Poland were the craddles of Unitarianism), or from Orthodoxy to Greek-Catholic. This is reflected in the skyline of each village defined by the architecture of church of each confession etc
Thanks for the info, which I didn't get from this video - but was hoping for. I only lasted 10 minutes but most of the conversation seemed to be about what the author of Charles, rather than Charles' interest in this land.
I'm intrigued about the Saxon villages - do they speak a Germanic language? The writer mentioned people moving from Luxembourg area 800 years ago, but not why.
@@rogink Most Saxons have moved to Germany in 1970-1990. Only few old Saxons remain in these villages, except during summer, when some Saxons from Germany come to spend their hollydays home. As the remaining Saxons are mostly dealing with Romanians in everyday life (Romanians and Roma filled the partly deserted villages), they use Romanian, except at home, where they speak German with family members (if any such members).
The historical Transylvanian Saxon dialect is quite different from standard German but I don't think many, if any Saxons still speak it, most of them speak standard German as result of school in this language in last 100 years.
Current president of Romania, Klaus Iohannis, is a Transylvanian Saxon, married to a Romanian.
Saxons has left the greatest medieval architectural heritage to Romania, villages with peasant fortresses and fortified churches, walled towns. Also, their institutions are the oldest on the territory of Romania. Nevertheless, governmemnts since 1918 (when Transylvania was given to Romania) have not made efforts to conserve the Saxon (or Hungarian) traditions and a process of Romanianization took place, which may been the main factor which determinated them to emigrate to Germany.
@@andreistirbu2733 Wow! Sometimes I'm genuinely staggered at the conversations I get on YT. This video popped up yesterday and I didn't expect much as it's New Statesman.
Looking at your name I'm guessing your are from Romania - which I think we used to spell Rumania - so I assume you have local knowledge? I had a good friend many years ago who spent time in the country working in orphanages and that all I remember talking about - I think the dire situation of deprived kids was the only thing most British people were aware of during Ceausescu's time.
@@rogink I'm Romanian and my level of knowledge is unusual high as am a person who love reading and cultural history and heritage (especially historical architecture) is the field I love the most (not only of Romania but of any area of the world) and I had access to resources few had in Romania, as I worked as librarian at the Architecture University in Bucharest several years (where I developed my love for lecture and the ability to search information) and after that, I become used to spend much of my time (2 hours daily on average for many years) reading from online sources. But most people in Romania are very uneducated and ignorant, which causes them to be nationalistic and xenophobe, disregarding or even hating the culture of ethnic minorities.
Also, here in Romania there is little knowledge and understanding about this cultural diversity and its value. You can't find guides to genuine, unspoiled regions and destinations. Most foreign tourists are taken to same few boring objectives on a type of tour which is called Dracula Tour and which promotes fake historical facts but it sells because Dracula is the only thing foreigners know about Romania, so these tourists come and leave remaining with almost nothing.
Here are two documentaries series, one made by Duna TV from Hungary, which is mostly about mountain hiking but also with presentation of some village life and traditions in Transylvania (also Slovakia and Hungary): www.youtube.com/@hazajaroweb/search?query=erdely
And here is a documentary series made by TVR (Romanian state television) about people living in remote mountain areas: th-cam.com/play/PLxO8-C91Lp92fdK8RYPAvB48KYrPv8MMK.html
@@rogink Yes, they speak what is called, and I translate roughly "flat German" i.e. Plattendeutsch, while in Timisoara for instance they speak a dialect of Hochdeutsch, that is the official language of Germany, to be more specific, I believe the Bavarian dialect. However, most Germans migrated from Romania against hard currency to Western Germany. I should know, as I was one of them. Transylvania is unique in several aspects and I don't know if it is was mentioned, but the connection is deeper, going back to Vlad the Impaler who was not a vampire, but troubled the Saxon communities, and the Turks at the same time, as he tried to defend his lands and impose to merchants what we would call nowadays "fair trading conditions" (Saxon merchants), while with the Turks it was ugly, as they were in the state as it was the period of expanding the Ottoman Empire. Now, in Romania it is believed that "Tara Romaneasca" (Wallachia) and Moldova weren't turned into Turk Provinces just because such characters like Vlad the Impaler and Stephen the Great. Debatable, but here you have it.
Romania is a splendid natural country. Food is ever so tasty, the air is ever so clean, the water is grate, founa is very beautiful and smells grate! People are friendly, but as in any country there are bad people too!
Ia nice as in very corrupt? People are stupid and keep electing crooks
I don’t think he’d like it so much if he was one of the peasants having to work hard everyday on the land
The life there is extremely serene and with little worries, my grandparents lived in a similar village surrounded by nature and they were the happiest people… I also had the best childhood cause I visited them every summer. It’s nord hard work cause you work for yourself taking care of your land and animals.
@@dacian_1346 Hey! We tend to disagree on many things, but I agree with you on this.
In my opinion, Charles should be taken seriously. How clearer could it be that many or most of the most industrialized and modern countries are falling apart, so it is is certainly timely to ask where societies made a mistakes in giving up the existing option in favor of industrialization based alternatives. For example, a professor of dental science, Weston A Price, footed in National Geographic that people in remote tribes had wide jaws full of perfect teeth, and live long, health lives. So he travelled the world and discovered the need to roll back the clock and make better choices in food production and diets.
Why?! În the New world you can destroy your life working hard to make a lot of money and afford to pay the perfect implanted teeth. 😏
Charles Windsor ought to set the example and start living like a Romanian peasant. Reminds me of P L F's (very enjoyable) trilogy about his journey by foot across Europe. He could only do the journey because of his family's contacts and letters of introduction, and the money he kept being sent. When my wife and I helped the whole Czech and Slovak FE systems get EFL teachers after the VelRev (about 60 colleges in all), the British Council in Prague didn't want to know, presumably because we hadn't got the right contacts and letters of introduction, or any funding. The world's a very different place depending on your wealth and networks. I wonder whether Mr Windsor realises that his networks in London are among the most culpable anywhere as far as the damage to the environment goes. I travel a lot by 'bus, train and bike and avoid using the car whenever I can. I would use the bike even more if I could be guaranteed a place for it on our trains and could use it safely in the big cities. When I go to London, I 'bus and walk everywhere. I have probably taken 12 to 14 air flights in 67 years. All short haul - the furthest being from Vienna to Leeds. Most between the UK and Paris. How does he get to this place in Romania? By magic carpet? How does he get around London? Where does he take his holidays? Aren't unelected rulers in oil-producing countries among his closest friends? C'mon, the man's in total denial about his true place in and effect on the world. Like Attenborough, he's got a massive carbon footprint. And there's no pressing need for most of it.
Agreed. I visited relatives in Romania in 1969. The poverty was crushing. My aunt in Canada would send care packages containing things like aspirin and sanitary napkins. Plus fabric and clothing. All this romanticizing of the living conditions in small villages is preposterous. People literally worked themselves to death as they still do in some of the villages from which even the young people cannot escape. At least now they have cell phones. In mountainous areas they still use horses.
Charles needs to chop is own firewood, make his own sourdough bread, milk his own cows by hand, and scythe his own hay for his horses. Chubby fingers that have done no physical work. And that pinky ring.... working men can't wear them because they fall off. The pinky ring is a status symbol for those men who have never had to use their hands to earn a living.
You can stay a British peasant
@@gabriellakadar We obviously don't live in 1969 anymore. *There is no more communism in Romania either.* You should visit again some time, things are different.
@@omi685 I never wrote that there is communism in Romania today.
@gabriella kadar But the people's harsh lives had a lot to do with the communism. Things are much better now.
A beautiful interview or conversation.
King Charles of Romania. What a great idea. 👑🇷🇴🌳
Don't they have some pretend king - at least someone who still claims the crown?
No they have a real claimant and a set of crown jewels
Well he is a descendent of Vlad Tepes so yes
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Romania's monarchy has been defunct since 1947, so no.
We have Amish in America who emulate these Romania people, who keep cloistered from the world and preserve the necessary to live
We like to live a simple life,is that wrong?technology is good up to a certain point ,when technology becomes adicted and you cannot live without that's the moment to stop.
In Romania we are not like the amish at all, completely different people… we don’t reject technology and machines…we are not bigoted people here.
@@dacian_1346 Yet your response clearly implies bigotry on your part. :))
@@weissblau Sorry but don’t compare us to people that live like in the Middle Ages, in Transylvania ( precisely Cluj ) we have the biggest tech hub in all of Eastern Europe…
In Transylvania some part of modern world was allowed to entry. That is Charles come to his houses buy in Transylvania and maibe prepare a small kingdom for Harry
A much needed interview and perspective!
Transilvania,Romania is a interesting and charming country ❤
Transylvania is NOT Romania. He goes there because of his Hungarian heritage.
@@Lukrecia_Macskassy Bro, you can find Romanians in every town, village and city in Transylvania.
In fact, ironically statistics indicate that the largest concentration of ethnic Hungarians in a single region or Szekelys is not in Szekelyfold or any other part of Transylvania but in Bucharest itself.
A lot of change has occured ever since ww2 and by now the situation with Romanians and Hungarians is roughly the same with French and Bretons.
Lived son long side by side, trade, help, intermarry, etc that you now both understand that you both share the history of this land.
@@Lukrecia_Macskassy All I seen was Saxon heritage not Hungarian lmao, and he loves all of the region with all the unique heritages we have… he also have farm and village houses in Maramures
@@Lukrecia_Macskassy Transylvania IS ROMANIA. Open a map or go to school. Why are you so uneducated? I'd love to see you try to go to Transylvania without the Romanian authorities' permission. Transylvania is Romanian land by international law.
Stop being a butthurt child, we live in 2023. Get used to it.
@@Lukrecia_Macskassy Before writing this nonsense try to read some real history about Romanian History. Transilvania always has been Romania and for ever. It's the ancestral inheritance from Burebista and Decebal 💯❤🇷🇴
Pity he doesnt stay there.
And Romania has a love relationship with The King! He has his hidden Heaven.❤
If King Charles III wants to remain in the 21 century History as a good King, the first thing he needs to do it is to manage adequately with his own sons , and carry out a reconciliation with his son , Prince Harry, supporting him, helping him do get a way of earning a life , according to his skills, his academic training and professional activities , and never abandon him. It seems that , King Charles III is putting in fist place only his second wife, now Queen Camilla, and he is forgetting all his other Family Duties. How can a King be a good ruler for his State if he is not able to rule his own Family , the Family who , he built? We are in 21 century, and not in Middle Ages times , where brothers and cousins killed each other’s!
Very interesting. Thank you
If Charles’s Poundbury was an attempt at creating something like his Transylvanian idyll, the way these thoughts and ideas end up is tragic. The other glaring point is that he would not be able to do what he does financially, without the wealth created by many oppressed people around the world through centuries of colonialism. He may be a deep thinker and important environmentalist, but his position and personal wealth is at odds with all that. Many people would like to build small, sustainable, lime buildings in a traditional way, but land and natural materials are too costly, the UK is inherently naff because of “progress”. If Charles scaled down and provided good social housing for people that want to grow food, steward the land and live more naturally, that might go some way towards redressing the balance of things. He needs to open a scything school 😉 a thatching school, craft school…..
How is the Duchy of Cornwall the result of oppressed, colonised people around the world?
Am i really looking at this ? The Uk is barking mad .
A Romanian here. Charles has a relative of Queen Mary of Teck that was born and lived in Transylvania, Claudine Rhédey von Kis-Rhéde, the mother of Francis Duke of Teck, the father of Queen Mary Teck
Apparently, Claudine was very distantly related to Vlad the Impailer, died very young, killed in a ridding accident at only 29 of age and her husband never recovered from her death.. quite a love story.
Claudine was not royalty, (hungerian/romanian nobility) and their marriage was MORGANATIC
King Charle is in love with Romanian, peasant ingenuity in architecture
Yea! =) I thought it would be a shame if a Texas cowgirl told a bunch of English people this story.
Fantastic, and fascinating.
Romania is a beautiful country...in ancient times Dacia!
this was very interesting. Thank you
Has Charles ever stopped to think about the carbon footprint of the Royal family compared with us normal mortals?
No. Richard Vobes did.
Once again infatuated ignorant brits try to portray Romania as a feudal state, telling us that it is not so bad as you may think, they have satelite dish and i don't know what else modern ages use.
Let me tell that Romania is the biggest European IT hub and has the best internet speed is Europe, a lot better then Britain. Romania is improving everyday which i cannot say about Britain.
This is so interesting. I like the King very much. Not agreeing with his every opinion, but a good man. As an Australian we are mostly irreverent people and Charles was happy to spend time living in our country as a teenager at boarding school. To hear about this Romania is fascinating and adds another angle to what he is all about.
we need more australian people in Romania. Australians to me are very genuine people.
If there is a point to all this, it is well disguised.
You're on youtube. There is little point to anything.
It's to give insight into the motivations of the head of state. It informs. Isn't that a good thing?
Shilling for The Great Reset and one it's main mouth pieces: Charles Windsor.
Inform yourself about: 15 Minute Cities (AKA ghettos); Agenda 21; Agenda 2030; Rio Earth Summit, 1992; World Economic Forum etc. etc.
Considering how our King is a Constitutional Monarch, it is no wonder he is so sad at the destruction of Britain's beauty.
With a little extra thought & planning, farming and industrialization could have been better developed to exist alongside nature.
Politicians have always aimed to fill their pockets first, before seeing what treasures could be maintained and grown.
Is he a descendant of Dracula??????
Dracula was based on Romanian Vlad the Impaler and is an ancestor of Charles.
Charles basically started the WEF which aims to take away your private right to own any cute little house in Romania or anywhere but you could rent it back from him. And while you're renting said little village house please don't eat any meat, just bugs please and thank you, there's a good chap. Oh, and you're welcome.
Romania has the highest home ownership in the world, with over 96% of the population already owning a property or land.
Some intelligent discourse on YT at last.
Since King Charles youth, he had travelled widely & prefers the country side, arts & architecture of ancient buildings. Many of such features can be found in Eastern Europe. I have pictures of Romania too. But Switzerland, is the best country I have visited with family on my niece Masters Graduation in 1993.
Have you ever visited Romania?
Switzerland îs a place of a few perfect selected people (probably 99% jews). România îs a country avoited for hundreds of years due to the possition în the middle of the conflicts, where Transilvania was the Best natural protected area and also protected by the rest of the Romanians living around the Carpatian Mountains. So it's a big shame to compare them especially în terms of culture and traditions. You are comparing a 1000 years traditions of money control versus 8000 years of sustainable culture.
"We don't take Charles seriously" - we do not, at our peril. He has been ahead of the climate game, for example, for DECADES. He cherishes the unspoiled natural world of Transylvania, craftsmen and women of everywhere, and he has put his money at the heart of this belief. Thank the lord. have admired his values for decades. Thank you, King Charles, for your lead. You've opened our eyes and ears. Jane, grandmother, Dorset, England.
great piece!
Excellent thank you. Wonderful to know more about the king. I really love and appreciate this program.
Charles Windsor should go and live in an Internet free shack in Transylvania. Permanently.
As long a you go with him .
probably the internet is better in Transylvania than in your shack...
among the gypsies, the poorest of poor people on earth.
@@MrQ454 100% internet in Romania is much faster - I am Romanian and currently live in UK and their internet is rubbish
Internet in Transylvania is way faster than in the uk…
He travels there to improve his bloodsucking skills. His mentor is his inmortal Uncle Vlad.
The King Charles lII ‘s roots are in Transylvania the origin of the Celtic people . Actually all the Anglo- Saxons people in England and Ireland got their roots in Transylvania. Queen Mary of Edinburgh was the Queen of Romania .
Brilliant, I thought I was going to read this whole comment thread without finding anyone who knew that Charlie has publicly declared Transylvania is his homeland. Being a cowgirl from TX I didn't dare type it myself.
@@rt3box6tx74 I commented because I am Italian and also a History Professor that’s Why I know European history .
Will Lloyd on King Charles III: "He really has quite an apocalyptic worldview. He thinks things can go seriously, badly, wrong. And he thinks his job is to stop that happening."
How can he stop that happening when he is a key participant in the World Economic Forum, which is "making it happen".
Will Lloyd: "I think the Windsors generally are pretty banal people. I don't think Charles is a banal person. I think he is a deep and serious thinker."
In my view nobody who has examined the history of Charles' father Prince Philip and grandfather Prince Andrew could think that their story has anything banal about it or that particularly Prince Philip, had anything banal about him. Other than the role that was eventually assigned to him.