it’s 1am and i wondered in my head what a brass nut would sound like; this video is great!! just random thoughts at 1am.. i had to know. EDIT: i upgraded most of my guitar nuts to tusq nuts and it’s the best thing ever. i can tell a lot of resonance going through especially when i play high gain amps. rings out much longer.
Tone Test Sustain Test 0:53 Brass Nut 3:17 Brass 39s 1:04 Plastic Nut 3:55 Plastic 24s 1:16 Bone Nut 4:21 Bone 25s 1:32 Tusq Nut 4:47 Tusq 31s Well, that solves part of the mystery for me. I bought a Firefly Les Paul and the decay was only about 3-4 seconds (unamplified) when I got it. I changed out the bridge for a roller bridge, and now the sustain is about 7-8 seconds, but still way-y-y-y-y too short. Listening to your demos, I thought well, that decay with the plastic one in yours sounds like this guitar, so I looked up the specs, and sure enough, it's got a plastic nut. So, now I've got hope I'll be able to make it right. Personally, I like the brass nut the best, but not because of the brighter tone or the longer sustain, but because of the far more even decay over all of the others. With the bone and the Tusq, you can hear them "step down" as they decay, which bothers me. That brass nut though, it just is so even, and there's no "stepping down" at all as it decays. I just don't know if I'll be able to find anyone to put a brass nut on it, so, I'll likely have to chose between the Bone and Tusq simply because I know I can get someone to put one on for me. But the Brass is the best all the way around, while plastic is just a vampire, sucking the life right out of the strings like instantly.
The brass nuts on eBay can be ordered pretty damn close to the final dimensions that you'll want. Just have to figure out how best to attach it on the neck
after getting his fingers removed and replaced with brass ones, Kevin realised that the point of contact was actually the fret and not his finger. From that day forward Kevin swore that he was only ever going to play fretless guitars
I think youre right in regards to bone, brass and tusq. I am however a Tusq fan for thtrr reasons. Tts quite consistent, easy to shape and drop in but most importantly, Tusq has superior tuning stability. Especially black Tusq
I changed the nuts and saddles on a few guitars. And yes, it makes a difference. Also I changed the tremolo block on my Stratocaster. The tone is much better, sustain is amazing. Sounds like much more expensive guitars.
The saddles make a HUGE difference and always will. But the nut, like he says, only affects open notes. It's not always ideal for open notes to sound different from fretted notes either.
Great Video! I actually did something similar for a Physics report in school analysing the effect of nut material (same ones as in your video) and potentiometer resistance on sustain. To make the comparison as scientific as possible, I made a "see-saw" like contraption with a ruler, taped a pick to one end, put it under the string and dropped an eraser from a predetermined height to play the string and get as little variation in force. I found that they all actually performed very similarly, with a variation of about 3-4 seconds. Now tone wise, I didn't hear much difference, but everyone is different, so if you prefer one over the other that's perfectly fine. Your nut being cut properly is far more important than the material in my opinion!
Tone wise, from lower end to higher end: Plastic, Tusq 1:32, Bone 1:16, Brass 0:53. Trying to keep it simple, the sound starts with certain tone or frequency range (say low, mid, or high), then another one of those freq ranges, then finishes with another shade for most of the sustain. Or maybe more of those swings. And we could compare materials in terms or how may swings they have on those freq ranges.
I think the best tone test would be for you to tune the strings so that they play a chord when you strum it open, like DADGAD tuning or whatever. TUSQ sounded the best.
That's not really a practical test. You're going to utilize maybe a couple open strings in your chords at a time in typical playing. I will say though that the unique sustain of the brass nut does make the different tunings more attractive for me...
Very good shootout, I tottally agree on your results but regarding your theory on the fretted length it is not so simple. Once you fret a note there is a vabration between the saddle and the fretted note + a "sympathetic" vibration of the length between the nut and the fretted note which contains overtones and they have a minor contribution to the final fretted tone.
I'm listening on studio monitors, I was right with you when you sarcastically introduced "the rich harmonic content of the tusq nut" and then my jaw fell when I genuinely did hear far more high harmonic content ! I was like "nah the marketing's got into my head, let's listen to that again" and every instance confirmed it. Basically I'm thinking about building a guitar and I think you just accidentally sold me a tusq nut.
In my experience changing the nut changes the tone across the fingerboard not just the open strings. On an Epiphone Les Paul I made an unbleached bone nut which solved the tuning problems and gave the guitar a brighter overall tone. The plastic composite they used was much more mellow. I also found Graphtec to be somewhat harsh in the highs compared to bone.
@@Thoracius Absolutely does. The tone will change. You might hear it more unamped. Also depends on the change. Bone to graphite etc. I changed the nut on a Hagstrom f20 from their graphite composite to a Graphtec and there was a noticeable difference on the overall tone: less bass.
Sorry nick but your perception may not make it necessarily true. We gotta be a little more scientific here - at least record and show your experimentation. Our senses are exceptionally good at deceiving us.
Love the vid. The killer for me, after thinking if changing my nut was, the point about frets. Oh yeah, I said to my self. On the sustain test. As you are measuring the tail if the graph, the picking strength isnt so critical. Any difference in pickinh is a small amout seconds, even milli seconds. Golden. Loved the vid
If you are playing a combination of open and fretted notes the brass nut gives the same sustain across the board on an electric guitar, it also gives more even glide with a tremolo system
That's why you get brass saddles, at least on your acoustic. A lot of people say they don't do much but from everything I have heard; they add a lot of sustain and brighten up the sound. Which could be good or bad depending on your guitars stock tone. Mine is dull since its a mid range Fender acoustic, so a brass saddle might brighten it up.
I have a Tele that is my primary guitar for slide playing. I'm thinking a brass nut for this guitar.... I don't get the impression that the slide completely removes the nut from the equation
Right. The nut still has an effect on tone even when you’re fretting notes. Our fingers and guitar slides still allow the string to vibrate on the nut side, even if it’s slight, you can definitely hear the difference. I owned a guitar with a brass nut and everything I played on it sounded brighter than my other guitars. Now if you add a capo into the equation that’s a different story.
Brass just has a touch of crisp in the pick attack. Incidentally the extra brightness I suddenly got with brass pins on my acoustic was quick striking.
Swapped the plastic nut on a Harley Benton LP with a brass nut: instantly more sustain and brightness snd harmonic content on fretted notes. So, the nut has for sure an influence on the fretted notes! Simple test: put a hair tie in front of the nut and play fretted notes, then push it behind the nut and play same notes again. You can hear the difference. There is even a subtle difference in sustain and high frequencies with the hair tie behind the nut or without any.😎
Switching to brass. I go from medium strings to quite light... and once you notch grooves in plastic, you get buzzing putting smaller strings in there.
The nut makes a difference as follows 1 - when you play open strings 2 - when you use a tremolo (especially a Bigsby or even more so a Cheap Chinese copy)
January 2023 I replaced the stock hard plastic nut on my 2010 Squire with brass. Stock was 8 out of 10, brass is 9 out of 10. Really happy with it, shaped it to fit very tight, no glue tap in.
The whole body & neck barely make any difference so it's likely completely imperceivable. Pickups and strings account for the vast vast vast majority of electrical instruments' tone. I do think fretboard material is definitely a factor though.
I never thought about it that once you're not playing open the nut doesn't matter, it makes too much sense, I was thinking about switching from tusq to brass and now I lost my interest in that
some nuts offer better tuining stability though and some don't wear, allowing you to switch from light to medium strings without creating a less than ideal setup. Also the sustain created from hitting open notes vibrates into the rest of the body and imparts tone onto succeeding notes.
I have two identical Strat style guitars and I installed the Fender Yngwie Malmsteen brass nut on one and did my own comparison. So much more sustain and clarity than the old one so I'm ordering another
When I sent my $429 2012 Epiphone Les Paul Standard to my luthier for upgrade, he installed among other things, a bone nut and Graphtech graphite bridge saddles. Impressed with the improvement in overall sound, I sent him my other 3 Epiphone Les Pauls.
I just purchased an intonated brass nut from axe masters for my 78’ Guild D-25C. It’s cut with a V groove at the GB&E strings. So when you play an open C chord and suddenly tuning sounds off. This nut is designed to eliminate that odd occurrence. We will see.
Wow that makes my day to read -- I have an old Guild as well, a '65 T50 that was converted to a 12 string at some time -- It does that terrible sour C chord, which is the worst to hear on 12 string, I think it's mostly the G strings -- I wasn't thinking of that guitar watching this video but that is very helpful, thank you
@@jmdean_ Glad to be of help. If you buy one of the brass nuts be sure and measure out your original nut and write down the specs. Use a dial caliper or trace around it on a piece of paper so you have a record for the new one. You may need to remove some material from the new brass nut and a reference point is good to have. As a drop in mine sat too high. Using specs from old nut makes it easy peasy 👌
The plastic nut stood out a lot, and for obvious reasons lol. The rest sounded pretty identical though. You brought up a good point though, it kind of is pointless when a guitar is played by fretting it. Another thing you could test is, stability or the ability for the strings to stay in tune vs the others ones? I know that's a huge reason alone to make people swap nuts (LOL) on their guitar.
In my opinion it's between the brass and tusq. Although the brass was a bit brighter tusq was a warm but subtle option that may match better when you are fretting and not using the nut. I am curious with the brass option if having open strings they stick out too much from fretted chords. But again, the plastic just sounded dead. Thanks for doing this test.
Ok that was a fair testing however if you do the same testing with a fretted note instead it's going to be very interesting...because many believe that doesn't make any difference but honestly the string is still transmitting vibrations through the nut even if the note is fretted.
I don’t think there’s much impact for the typical electric player. 99% of the time your fretting hand is dampening any vibration behind the fret. The exception would be intentionally open chords etc.
Tusq lets more bass through, or maybe it is just me. Plastic is s***. The others sound so similar that it would make me go for the one that gives my strings a longer life. I'd try brass saddles and nut on a tele, IDK. All I really got from that video is that plastic is a no-go, and I would get brass on an acoustic I'd play a lot of open chords on. Great vid!
saying „the nut only affects the open string because if you fret it takes out the nut out of equasion“ is not entirely true, beyond your fretting hand is still the string posts where your strings are locked, so its not entirely your fretting hand thats causing the vibration, everything plays part of it, the material, the guitar itself is > ALLOWING < you to vibrate something in the first place/ by that primitive popular theory going arround, its like saying your hand is the only reason the guitar is vibrating period you‘re just adding to it, all the little things make up the big picture thats existence period
The Tusq nut sounded the best! Next was the bone nut, the brass gave it a bit of a brighter tone. the plastic was garbage. I would go with either the Tusq or the bone. I have tusks on most of my guitars. But I have 3 that I'm going to get bone nuts.
If you want to keep a consistent tone on the open notes same as the freted ones you need to use the same material for the nut that the frets are made from.
As a Grammy Winning Nashville Recording Engineer and Guitarist for over 50 years used to working with totally CLEAN Guitars and Amps with the very best Microphones and Consoles, the Brass Nut is the clear winner with the Bone/Tusq a close second. Remember that the Frets are almost always Metal including Stainless Steel.They isolate the strings from your fingers. Slides are Metal. Glass or Ceramic. Pedal Steels are ALL Steel. Plastic is Crap and doesn't belong in Metal String Guitars. My close Friend Randy Leonard who along with his Father is often mentioned as Master Luthiers in Gibson Historic Videos and Documents does all my heavy work in his retirement out here in the Tennessee Hills. George Gruen and his Luthiers are the independent Masters. For Tele comparisons you need my Friends Wayne Moss, Steve Cropper, Terry Williams and James Burton IMHO.
Thanks Claude I had just made a replacement nut for a guitar that I had. It had a worn down plastic nut. Also planning on replacing some other nuts. I have deer antlers from my own farm so I was going to make bone nuts rather than buy $ bone blanks. Perhaps I will go with the brass I actually have a 12-string electric guitar that came equipped with a brass zero fret. Perhaps I will just fabricate some brass and call it good although I do prefer bone on my acoustic guitars. I actually have some agate and some Jade and a rock saw I was thinking of making a nut out of agate it's just really hard to work I don't have tools enough that will actually cut nut slots very difficult to cut and shape Rock and then again but I'm thinking it might sound pretty spectacular
great video! this was just what i was looking for. I'm listening with some apple headphones, and I feel that the brass is bright. Bone is neutral . Plastic is dead. Tusq is neutral yet has warmth and bloom to it. The biggest point is how like you said as soon as you do a chord up the neck the nut is no longer in the equation so in a way it's pointless but id still say swap out a plastic nut for a tusq just so your open chords sound better, if someone was a nashville style chicken picken open chords on a tele, or someone who used open tunings, id recommned the brass, but outside of that there's no reason to change them.
I think the best to test the nuts are acoustic guitars or classical guitars. also, I would like to advise for Carbon Fiber nut which i am using right now in my guitar and it sound amazing.
So I got here after googling "metal nuts for acoustic guitar". Because I notice that with a capo the tone is so much nicer on my acoustics. Not so much the sustain, but the clarity of the tone. I play open tunings a lot,and the open strings ring out much nicer with a capo. So, I guess I am going to try a brass nut. It is much more convenient than tuning down half a step and using a capo on the first fret. As for bone nuts:I think a nut from the skull of a tibetan monk would be the best. They make necklaces of it, so why not guitar nuts. As long as you dont play metal. Subbed.
I'm not sure if this comment makes any sense. I am using IEM's equalised by Wavelet autoeq settings at 1080p. Imagine a plain, and for my ears, it seems like the sound from the brass nut is coming out of a deep ditch under the surface like it's evolving and along the surface with the plastic nut as if it is cruising, converging to a point in case of Bone and it seemed like the sound is encircling as if it is going around me in circles in case of tusk. Especially in the tone test part
The plastic nut sounded dead. The Brass sounded like it rattled a bit. The Bone and Tusq pretty much sounded the same. However I think the bone may have had more... bite (for lack of any other word). I really couldn't tell much of a difference between bone and Tusq
Thanks for this video. I've been thinking of trying a brass nut for some time. Not for the tone. Rather because I hope it's a once and done task. Also the nut height can be adjustable with brass nuts. I didn't do it because I don't want a massive tonal difference. To my ears, on this video, it sounds fine.
Excellent test and report. However, I'm having enough trouble with the Phrygian scale. So, all taken with a grain of salt. I am looking forward to your next video.... Thanks
I finally decided to make a new saddle for my 71 fg75 out of a bone blank it took me about 3 hours of sanding shaping and testing but it was worth it plays and sounds amazing the nut was bone already
Are nuts actually like tonewoods? I was thinking about some of the best materials like a granite.. can we make a nut out of a granite coz it's actually a really good tone material..😅
I have brass saddles and tremolo block on my Korean 1997 Squire Stratocaster that I have set up for slide playing in either open 'D' or open 'G' tuning. I'm thinking that maybe I should have the brass nut too. What do you think.
I think the material of nut should focus on durability rather than sustain. I've seen parts of a nut fall off after years of use. (It was either plastic or bone) And I wonder if the value of the nut is how firmly it holds the strings from strong picking or bending.
Hi there, guitar tech here. The nut material is not only about tone and sustain but also about tuning stability. If you tend to bend or use whammy bar a lot, bone and tusq are the ideal choice. Or graphite but all depends on your style. The tonal differences are way more recognizable on acoustic guitars, especially with the saddle material.
I’m a complete beginner who has access to two different guitars, an Alvarez Delta00 with bone nut & saddle, and an Epiphone EL-00 with plastic nut/saddle. The tone difference between bone and plastic is so obvious even my untrained ear could tell the difference; the Alvarez sounded like a guitar while the Epiphone sounded like a toy in comparison. So ordered a bone saddle for the Epiphone and now it sounds good enough that I enjoy playing it, but because I’m so new and learning a lot of open chords it still doesn’t sound quite right. So the nut material definitely does make a difference, at least for me.
well the fact they are two different guitars, with different pickups is going to make a huge difference in the tone. How can you equate the different tones to the nut material? That's like saying my Porsche and Toyota have different tires, and so the Porsche feels like it handles better.
Yes when you play the fret turns into the nut the reason for this is you are bending the string over the fret . in doing so you have taken out the nut.
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brass wins. However, brass might make the open notes too bright compared to fretted notes.
From my experience, zero fret on a guitar is the best solution both regarding the tone (and the "sameness" of a tone of an open vs fretted notes) and the action of a guitar... Otherwise, bone for me, thanks.
Brass nuts are pretty noticeable on guitars with stainless steel frets. Or rather, they're LESS noticeable. I mean there's less of a sudden change in tone between a fretted note and and an open string
It is more important that the nut is cut correctly so that you have the right string height (action) and so that you don't get binding which causes tuning issues. The materials differ so very slightly that it simply isn't worth the effort of changing the nut merely to change material. And, yes, if you want sustain when bending a note, well, that will be a fretted note so the nut isn't even part of that equasion (other than in respect to action). As one commentor pointed out, the string saddles matter more as they are always part of the equasion. Great video, so pleased to find out someon had tackled the issue.
I must say... Wrong! even if the notes are fretted the string still go through the nut and vibrations go from the top to the neck to the nut in a cycle. So nut is still damn important as saddles material is.
Yeah that's important, but material is important. It's a little thing, but every little thing matters :p brass nuts provide less friction, good for tuning stability. Also, they don't notch to the size of your string so you can switch from medium to lights without having a loose or tight fit.
Great, no bullshit video. Thank you. Bone nut is king for classical and acoustics in my opinion. Came here to see if the tusq nut held up to its claim. Typical BS marketing.
Great comment. Thanks mate. Hope it helped. It seems most opinions on tone stem from marketing or just untested ideas. Going through them all to work out what makes a difference
Yes, but the brass nut is all strings metal to metal. So when you fret a note it is metal fret to metal saddles. The open notes are also then metal to metal. A plastic nut would be metal to plastic when open notes are played.
I f#cking love TH-cam for this reason. I wanna know how nut composition effects tone and this “nutter” made a vid. Thanks my dude.
it’s 1am and i wondered in my head what a brass nut would sound like; this video is great!! just random thoughts at 1am.. i had to know.
EDIT: i upgraded most of my guitar nuts to tusq nuts and it’s the best thing ever. i can tell a lot of resonance going through especially when i play high gain amps. rings out much longer.
Love it. Hope the video helped. I do the same thing as you, wonder strange things at night and have to researxh
*me in the exact same situation at precisely 1 am*
I'm here at 2am wondering about bone nuts
@@ralual Dude snap what is with this??!!
The same!, But at 12 am
Tone Test Sustain Test
0:53 Brass Nut 3:17 Brass 39s
1:04 Plastic Nut 3:55 Plastic 24s
1:16 Bone Nut 4:21 Bone 25s
1:32 Tusq Nut 4:47 Tusq 31s
Well, that solves part of the mystery for me. I bought a Firefly Les Paul and the decay was only about 3-4 seconds (unamplified) when I got it. I changed out the bridge for a roller bridge, and now the sustain is about 7-8 seconds, but still way-y-y-y-y too short. Listening to your demos, I thought well, that decay with the plastic one in yours sounds like this guitar, so I looked up the specs, and sure enough, it's got a plastic nut. So, now I've got hope I'll be able to make it right.
Personally, I like the brass nut the best, but not because of the brighter tone or the longer sustain, but because of the far more even decay over all of the others. With the bone and the Tusq, you can hear them "step down" as they decay, which bothers me. That brass nut though, it just is so even, and there's no "stepping down" at all as it decays. I just don't know if I'll be able to find anyone to put a brass nut on it, so, I'll likely have to chose between the Bone and Tusq simply because I know I can get someone to put one on for me. But the Brass is the best all the way around, while plastic is just a vampire, sucking the life right out of the strings like instantly.
Could you edit the 1:32 to 1:31 and maybe 3:55 to 3:56?
Thx
Tusq is the best in my opinion. However any material even plastic can be great.
The brass nuts on eBay can be ordered pretty damn close to the final dimensions that you'll want. Just have to figure out how best to attach it on the neck
Man, that’s nuts!
Me thinks the brass saddles, a tusq nut, and Jeff Beck's fingers on the fretboard would do it nicely !!!
That's a lot of work, mate. Thanks for doing this.
Alright, time to get brass fingers for more sustain.
after getting his fingers removed and replaced with brass ones, Kevin realised that the point of contact was actually the fret and not his finger. From that day forward Kevin swore that he was only ever going to play fretless guitars
@@toamaori Well shit how do I get my real fingers back HAHA. But good point 😆
@@kevinteo8453 fretless guitars for life Kevin xD
Play with thimbles.
Brass thimbls on a fretless for more brassness
brass always has tons of sustain. Being a player that uses open tunings and open chords I would rather have a brass nut.
it wears fast also which leads to intonation problems later on
@yeti goosecreature how many hours do you play per day and how many days per week. if it's durable i might consiider it
@@nguquaxanguyen5224 Brass doesn't wear fast at all. My 2008 LP copy has a brass nut and that's been my regular go-to guitar for 15 years.
@@nguquaxanguyen5224 brass definitely doesn’t wear out fast at all, if anything it’d be more durable than plastic nuts
Bridge saddles are more important than the nut imo. They're always in the equation.
just ordered me a brass nut, sounded so clean and louder
3:16 brass
3:55 plas
4:21 bone
4:47 tus
Incredibly useful thanks!
Subscribed because you went as far as to putting a slide by slide seconds apart to help us differentiate the difference
Your channel has popped up a few times recently whilst I’ve been looking into upgrades for a tele and a casino - much appreciated content. Subscribed.
If you are playing, why would you need 25 secs of sustain? Unless you are Arena guitar soloing, but then you would use feedback.
Have always been a tusq fan. Every now and then I'll go back to bone, but I love the clarity the tusq gives and always go back.
I think youre right in regards to bone, brass and tusq. I am however a Tusq fan for thtrr reasons. Tts quite consistent, easy to shape and drop in but most importantly, Tusq has superior tuning stability. Especially black Tusq
I changed the nuts and saddles on a few guitars. And yes, it makes a difference. Also I changed the tremolo block on my Stratocaster. The tone is much better, sustain is amazing. Sounds like much more expensive guitars.
The saddles make a HUGE difference and always will. But the nut, like he says, only affects open notes. It's not always ideal for open notes to sound different from fretted notes either.
Great Video! I actually did something similar for a Physics report in school analysing the effect of nut material (same ones as in your video) and potentiometer resistance on sustain. To make the comparison as scientific as possible, I made a "see-saw" like contraption with a ruler, taped a pick to one end, put it under the string and dropped an eraser from a predetermined height to play the string and get as little variation in force. I found that they all actually performed very similarly, with a variation of about 3-4 seconds. Now tone wise, I didn't hear much difference, but everyone is different, so if you prefer one over the other that's perfectly fine. Your nut being cut properly is far more important than the material in my opinion!
Tone wise, from lower end to higher end:
Plastic, Tusq 1:32, Bone 1:16, Brass 0:53.
Trying to keep it simple, the sound starts with certain tone or frequency range (say low, mid, or high), then another one of those freq ranges, then finishes with another shade for most of the sustain. Or maybe more of those swings. And we could compare materials in terms or how may swings they have on those freq ranges.
Nice demo. I like the quick cuts to compare the tone. Why don't more people do that?
Thanks mate. Couldn’t agree more
I think the best tone test would be for you to tune the strings so that they play a chord when you strum it open, like DADGAD tuning or whatever. TUSQ sounded the best.
That's not really a practical test. You're going to utilize maybe a couple open strings in your chords at a time in typical playing. I will say though that the unique sustain of the brass nut does make the different tunings more attractive for me...
@@BeamMonsterZeus ig true
@@BeamMonsterZeus yeah same
A really scientific test would be to repeat the experiment a few thousand times. A stoner test is what we are seeing.
Very good shootout, I tottally agree on your results but regarding your theory on the fretted length it is not so simple.
Once you fret a note there is a vabration between the saddle and the fretted note + a "sympathetic" vibration of the length between the nut and the fretted note which contains overtones and they have a minor contribution to the final fretted tone.
Takes a dog to hear that "minor contribution".
I'm listening on studio monitors, I was right with you when you sarcastically introduced "the rich harmonic content of the tusq nut" and then my jaw fell when I genuinely did hear far more high harmonic content ! I was like "nah the marketing's got into my head, let's listen to that again" and every instance confirmed it.
Basically I'm thinking about building a guitar and I think you just accidentally sold me a tusq nut.
I was shocked at the dead plastic nut. Glad the video helped
I was thinking the same thing ! I scoffed at the "increased harmonic content" and then I actually heard an overtone. It's subtle but it's there.
upgraded plan; fretless guitar and tusq fingers.
In my experience changing the nut changes the tone across the fingerboard not just the open strings.
On an Epiphone Les Paul I made an unbleached bone nut which solved the tuning problems and gave the guitar a brighter overall tone. The plastic composite they used was much more mellow. I also found Graphtec to be somewhat harsh in the highs compared to bone.
> nut changes the tone across the fingerboard not just the open strings
Hard to believe.
@@Thoracius Absolutely does. The tone will change. You might hear it more unamped.
Also depends on the change. Bone to graphite etc. I changed the nut on a Hagstrom f20 from their graphite composite to a Graphtec and there was a noticeable difference on the overall tone: less bass.
@@Thoracius Sympathetic overtones from fretted finger to the nut.
Sorry nick but your perception may not make it necessarily true. We gotta be a little more scientific here - at least record and show your experimentation. Our senses are exceptionally good at deceiving us.
@@joaocunha it was absolutely as I said. I'll see if I can record a sound sample at some point.
Love the vid. The killer for me, after thinking if changing my nut was, the point about frets. Oh yeah, I said to my self. On the sustain test. As you are measuring the tail if the graph, the picking strength isnt so critical. Any difference in pickinh is a small amout seconds, even milli seconds. Golden. Loved the vid
If you are playing a combination of open and fretted notes the brass nut gives the same sustain across the board on an electric guitar, it also gives more even glide with a tremolo system
Plastic nut for the win.
I just ordered one yesterday for my Telecaster to match my new saddles and open Hipshot tuners. I just thought it just looked cool,
Thanks
The nut only makes a difference when the strings are played open.
True. Although let’s face it, most of us are campfire open chord strummers anyway.
every fret then becomes a nut. and frets are metal. not plastic
That's why you get brass saddles, at least on your acoustic. A lot of people say they don't do much but from everything I have heard; they add a lot of sustain and brighten up the sound. Which could be good or bad depending on your guitars stock tone. Mine is dull since its a mid range Fender acoustic, so a brass saddle might brighten it up.
@@evil1st wood, metal, bone, glass, resonate. Plastic and rubber don't.
@@dr.know-it-all5148 I thought that until I played a see-thru perspex bodied guitar (basically plastic) that had good sustain.
I have a Tele that is my primary guitar for slide playing. I'm thinking a brass nut for this guitar.... I don't get the impression that the slide completely removes the nut from the equation
Right. The nut still has an effect on tone even when you’re fretting notes. Our fingers and guitar slides still allow the string to vibrate on the nut side, even if it’s slight, you can definitely hear the difference. I owned a guitar with a brass nut and everything I played on it sounded brighter than my other guitars. Now if you add a capo into the equation that’s a different story.
Brass just has a touch of crisp in the pick attack. Incidentally the extra brightness I suddenly got with brass pins on my acoustic was quick striking.
Swapped the plastic nut on a Harley Benton LP with a brass nut: instantly more sustain and brightness snd harmonic content on fretted notes. So, the nut has for sure an influence on the fretted notes!
Simple test: put a hair tie in front of the nut and play fretted notes, then push it behind the nut and play same notes again. You can hear the difference. There is even a subtle difference in sustain and high frequencies with the hair tie behind the nut or without any.😎
why do you have a humbucker mounted to your guitar near the control plate?
Switching to brass. I go from medium strings to quite light... and once you notch grooves in plastic, you get buzzing putting smaller strings in there.
The nut makes a difference as follows
1 - when you play open strings
2 - when you use a tremolo (especially a Bigsby or even more so a Cheap Chinese copy)
That harmonic richness face though, right after hitting the string. I actually hit Subscribe right after that!
January 2023 I replaced the stock hard plastic nut on my 2010 Squire with brass. Stock was 8 out of 10, brass is 9 out of 10. Really happy with it, shaped it to fit very tight, no glue tap in.
I would like to hear fretted notes as well. The nut is still part of the vibrating system so it is not impossible that it will affect tone.
The whole body & neck barely make any difference so it's likely completely imperceivable. Pickups and strings account for the vast vast vast majority of electrical instruments' tone. I do think fretboard material is definitely a factor though.
I never thought about it that once you're not playing open the nut doesn't matter, it makes too much sense, I was thinking about switching from tusq to brass and now I lost my interest in that
some nuts offer better tuining stability though and some don't wear, allowing you to switch from light to medium strings without creating a less than ideal setup. Also the sustain created from hitting open notes vibrates into the rest of the body and imparts tone onto succeeding notes.
Great video! What is the purpose of that second humbucker?
I have two identical Strat style guitars and I installed the Fender Yngwie Malmsteen brass nut on one and did my own comparison. So much more sustain and clarity than the old one so I'm ordering another
When I sent my $429 2012 Epiphone Les Paul Standard to my luthier for upgrade, he installed among other things, a bone nut and Graphtech graphite bridge saddles. Impressed with the improvement in overall sound, I sent him my other 3 Epiphone Les Pauls.
The tusq nut really had the harmonic when sustained
Too much imho
I just purchased an intonated brass nut from axe masters for my 78’ Guild D-25C. It’s cut with a V groove at the GB&E strings. So when you play an open C chord and suddenly tuning sounds off. This nut is designed to eliminate that odd occurrence. We will see.
Wow that makes my day to read -- I have an old Guild as well, a '65 T50 that was converted to a 12 string at some time -- It does that terrible sour C chord, which is the worst to hear on 12 string, I think it's mostly the G strings -- I wasn't thinking of that guitar watching this video but that is very helpful, thank you
@@jmdean_ Glad to be of help. If you buy one of the brass nuts be sure and measure out your original nut and write down the specs. Use a dial caliper or trace around it on a piece of paper so you have a record for the new one. You may need to remove some material from the new brass nut and a reference point is good to have. As a drop in mine sat too high. Using specs from old nut makes it easy peasy 👌
A big thank you. And of course that your body absorbs vibrations. The nut is important for djent...010001110000011100000000
The plastic nut stood out a lot, and for obvious reasons lol. The rest sounded pretty identical though. You brought up a good point though, it kind of is pointless when a guitar is played by fretting it. Another thing you could test is, stability or the ability for the strings to stay in tune vs the others ones? I know that's a huge reason alone to make people swap nuts (LOL) on their guitar.
Bone wears very well and can polish up nicely.
In my opinion it's between the brass and tusq. Although the brass was a bit brighter tusq was a warm but subtle option that may match better when you are fretting and not using the nut. I am curious with the brass option if having open strings they stick out too much from fretted chords. But again, the plastic just sounded dead. Thanks for doing this test.
Ok that was a fair testing however if you do the same testing with a fretted note instead it's going to be very interesting...because many believe that doesn't make any difference but honestly the string is still transmitting vibrations through the nut even if the note is fretted.
I don’t think there’s much impact for the typical electric player. 99% of the time your fretting hand is dampening any vibration behind the fret. The exception would be intentionally open chords etc.
excellent job buddy, its actually helpful, thanks for this video
Tusq lets more bass through, or maybe it is just me. Plastic is s***. The others sound so similar that it would make me go for the one that gives my strings a longer life. I'd try brass saddles and nut on a tele, IDK. All I really got from that video is that plastic is a no-go, and I would get brass on an acoustic I'd play a lot of open chords on. Great vid!
saying „the nut only affects the open string because if you fret it takes out the nut out of equasion“
is not entirely true, beyond your fretting hand is still the string posts where your strings are locked, so its not entirely your fretting hand thats causing the vibration, everything plays part of it, the material, the guitar itself is > ALLOWING < you to vibrate something in the first place/ by that primitive popular theory going arround, its like saying your hand is the only reason the guitar is vibrating period
you‘re just adding to it,
all the little things make up the big picture
thats existence period
that plastic nut sounds amazing, such character and dynamic range.
you're kidding right lol
lol
Its almost all about the atack on strings (angle, strenght, depth of pick through strings)
6:30 good point
The Tusq nut sounded the best! Next was the bone nut, the brass gave it a bit of a brighter tone. the plastic was garbage. I would go with either the Tusq or the bone. I have tusks on most of my guitars. But I have 3 that I'm going to get bone nuts.
If you want to keep a consistent tone on the open notes same as the freted ones you need to use the same material for the nut that the frets are made from.
Perfect video on this - thanks great job
I wonder if the LSR roller nut would be comparable to the brass….
As a Grammy Winning Nashville Recording Engineer and Guitarist for over 50 years used to working with totally CLEAN Guitars and Amps with the very best Microphones and Consoles, the Brass Nut is the clear winner with the Bone/Tusq a close second. Remember that the Frets are almost always Metal including Stainless Steel.They isolate the strings from your fingers. Slides are Metal. Glass or Ceramic. Pedal Steels are ALL Steel. Plastic is Crap and doesn't belong in Metal String Guitars.
My close Friend Randy Leonard who along with his Father is often mentioned as Master Luthiers in Gibson Historic Videos and Documents does all my heavy work in his retirement out here in the Tennessee Hills. George Gruen and his Luthiers are the independent Masters.
For Tele comparisons you need my Friends Wayne Moss, Steve Cropper, Terry Williams and James Burton IMHO.
Wow Fabulous insight and input. Surly noted Thanks .
Thanks Claude I had just made a replacement nut for a guitar that I had. It had a worn down plastic nut. Also planning on replacing some other nuts. I have deer antlers from my own farm so I was going to make bone nuts rather than buy $ bone blanks. Perhaps I will go with the brass I actually have a 12-string electric guitar that came equipped with a brass zero fret. Perhaps I will just fabricate some brass and call it good although I do prefer bone on my acoustic guitars. I actually have some agate and some Jade and a rock saw I was thinking of making a nut out of agate it's just really hard to work I don't have tools enough that will actually cut nut slots very difficult to cut and shape Rock and then again but I'm thinking it might sound pretty spectacular
great video! this was just what i was looking for. I'm listening with some apple headphones, and I feel that the brass is bright. Bone is neutral . Plastic is dead. Tusq is neutral yet has warmth and bloom to it. The biggest point is how like you said as soon as you do a chord up the neck the nut is no longer in the equation so in a way it's pointless but id still say swap out a plastic nut for a tusq just so your open chords sound better, if someone was a nashville style chicken picken open chords on a tele, or someone who used open tunings, id recommned the brass, but outside of that there's no reason to change them.
I think the best to test the nuts are acoustic guitars or classical guitars. also, I would like to advise for Carbon Fiber nut which i am using right now in my guitar and it sound amazing.
So I got here after googling "metal nuts for acoustic guitar". Because I notice that with a capo the tone is so much nicer on my acoustics. Not so much the sustain, but the clarity of the tone. I play open tunings a lot,and the open strings ring out much nicer with a capo. So, I guess I am going to try a brass nut. It is much more convenient than tuning down half a step and using a capo on the first fret.
As for bone nuts:I think a nut from the skull of a tibetan monk would be the best. They make necklaces of it, so why not guitar nuts. As long as you dont play metal.
Subbed.
I'm glad I open this one, apparently it affects open strings and most of us would then play in frets so frets win I guess?
I have a big exam tomorrow morning, yet I am watching this video.. cool.. awesome content keep doing bro.
I'm not sure if this comment makes any sense. I am using IEM's equalised by Wavelet autoeq settings at 1080p.
Imagine a plain, and for my ears, it seems like the sound from the brass nut is coming out of a deep ditch under the surface like it's evolving and along the surface with the plastic nut as if it is cruising, converging to a point in case of Bone and it seemed like the sound is encircling as if it is going around me in circles in case of tusk.
Especially in the tone test part
The plastic nut sounded dead. The Brass sounded like it rattled a bit. The Bone and Tusq pretty much sounded the same. However I think the bone may have had more... bite (for lack of any other word). I really couldn't tell much of a difference between bone and Tusq
Graphtec nuts are about lubrication and tuning stability
I would think the entire length of the nut would have an effect on the resonance. I just put a Tusq nut on my guitar last night. Seems good to me.
Thanks for this video. I've been thinking of trying a brass nut for some time. Not for the tone. Rather because I hope it's a once and done task. Also the nut height can be adjustable with brass nuts. I didn't do it because I don't want a massive tonal difference. To my ears, on this video, it sounds fine.
Excellent test and report.
However, I'm having enough trouble with the Phrygian scale.
So, all taken with a grain of salt.
I am looking forward to your next video.... Thanks
I finally decided to make a new saddle for my 71 fg75 out of a bone blank it took me about 3 hours of sanding shaping and testing but it was worth it plays and sounds amazing the nut was bone already
I think the brass is just a tad brighter but I wonder how tuning stability would be compared to the TUSQ.
Are nuts actually like tonewoods? I was thinking about some of the best materials like a granite.. can we make a nut out of a granite coz it's actually a really good tone material..😅
thx a lot for this VDO
help me a lot : )
I have brass saddles and tremolo block on my Korean 1997 Squire Stratocaster that I have set up for slide playing in either open 'D' or open 'G' tuning. I'm thinking that maybe I should have the brass nut too. What do you think.
This video is nuts!
I think the material of nut should focus on durability rather than sustain. I've seen parts of a nut fall off after years of use. (It was either plastic or bone) And I wonder if the value of the nut is how firmly it holds the strings from strong picking or bending.
Hi there, guitar tech here. The nut material is not only about tone and sustain but also about tuning stability. If you tend to bend or use whammy bar a lot, bone and tusq are the ideal choice. Or graphite but all depends on your style. The tonal differences are way more recognizable on acoustic guitars, especially with the saddle material.
well the thing is my guitar has gold hardware so i gotta get a brass one. nothing i can do about it
Would have to be brass for me having seen this. But I saw somewhere that nuts have a bearing on tuning? To do with how much they grip a string?
I’m a complete beginner who has access to two different guitars, an Alvarez Delta00 with bone nut & saddle, and an Epiphone EL-00 with plastic nut/saddle. The tone difference between bone and plastic is so obvious even my untrained ear could tell the difference; the Alvarez sounded like a guitar while the Epiphone sounded like a toy in comparison. So ordered a bone saddle for the Epiphone and now it sounds good enough that I enjoy playing it, but because I’m so new and learning a lot of open chords it still doesn’t sound quite right. So the nut material definitely does make a difference, at least for me.
well the fact they are two different guitars, with different pickups is going to make a huge difference in the tone. How can you equate the different tones to the nut material? That's like saying my Porsche and Toyota have different tires, and so the Porsche feels like it handles better.
Yes when you play the fret turns into the nut the reason for this is you are bending the string over the fret .
in doing so you have taken out the nut.
brass wins. However, brass might make the open notes too bright compared to fretted notes.
From my experience, zero fret on a guitar is the best solution both regarding the tone (and the "sameness" of a tone of an open vs fretted notes) and the action of a guitar... Otherwise, bone for me, thanks.
Brass nuts are pretty noticeable on guitars with stainless steel frets. Or rather, they're LESS noticeable. I mean there's less of a sudden change in tone between a fretted note and and an open string
It is more important that the nut is cut correctly so that you have the right string height (action) and so that you don't get binding which causes tuning issues. The materials differ so very slightly that it simply isn't worth the effort of changing the nut merely to change material. And, yes, if you want sustain when bending a note, well, that will be a fretted note so the nut isn't even part of that equasion (other than in respect to action). As one commentor pointed out, the string saddles matter more as they are always part of the equasion. Great video, so pleased to find out someon had tackled the issue.
I must say... Wrong! even if the notes are fretted the string still go through the nut and vibrations go from the top to the neck to the nut in a cycle. So nut is still damn important as saddles material is.
Yeah that's important, but material is important. It's a little thing, but every little thing matters :p brass nuts provide less friction, good for tuning stability. Also, they don't notch to the size of your string so you can switch from medium to lights without having a loose or tight fit.
tusq and plastic are the winners for me
For acoustic guitars i think a tusq nut and a bone saddle is the best pair
Well appart from tone there is life expectancy, brass being pretty much good for life
Very good point
I’m going to put a brass one on my Squier Tele. I put brass compensated saddles on the guitar, I could hear an improvement.
I put a brass nut on one of my basses back in 1985 it is still going strong!
When you fret a string, the nut is out of the equation. It only works on open strings.
I like brass nuts, but its because they sound more like a fretted note. Making open string and fretted notes more similar sounding.
On acoustic, where strumming open notes is far more common, I imagine its more important.
I was really surprised to find that the bone nut was clearly a fuller tone.
slight difference with the brass. maybe.
Great video!
Very helpful. You have a new subscriber.
Great video, thanks
any thoughts on tremolo tuning stability with brass nut?
love the last one
brass is my favorite
what about stone nuts like say Jade? i've never seen that being used before? my wild guess is that stone isn't great for longevity and stability?
They make a pre-cut
pre-slotted one made from porcelain.
Great, no bullshit video. Thank you. Bone nut is king for classical and acoustics in my opinion. Came here to see if the tusq nut held up to its claim. Typical BS marketing.
Great comment. Thanks mate. Hope it helped. It seems most opinions on tone stem from marketing or just untested ideas. Going through them all to work out what makes a difference
Yes, but the brass nut is all strings metal to metal. So when you fret a note it is metal fret to metal saddles. The open notes are also then metal to metal. A plastic nut would be metal to plastic when open notes are played.