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I think I speak for everyone in saying we don't get bored listening to you talk about your work and projects we love the meandering and the odd stories and reminiscing so don't feel like you are dragging on. We are loving these videos!
Ha! So cool. I actually worked at a company that build linear accelerators and helped with some designs (FORTRAN-based JASON computations of MITLs - magnetically insulated transmission lines).
"we could go on for hours..." Who the F is stopping you?! Not me! Love this so much! Talking shop is like that looking glass we all wanted but never had. Priceless. Especially as engaging and animated as you guys are, riffing off of each others memories without crowding each others' plates... Two masters of their craft. Please do longer episodes, e.g. a walk-through of an entire movie you were in, with the props. Love love love this!
Honestly I would love to listen to Adam and Fon Davis talk for hours, both about productions they have worked on, and productions they didn't because they have this collective knowledge of the industry that would give a great insight.
I think we all would. I miss some of the old behind the scenes on various movies, where ILM staff would just talk about the work they did, and how they made movie magic for us.
As a CG modeller I really prefer tight deadlines because it means there's no time to agonize over every decision, you have to just choose something right now and go with it. It really helps you think more creatively.
I don't think there's a BAD Terminator film. Less good ones, but not bad ones. I genuinely liked Dark Fate in spite of all the hate it gets. Three is my 4th total with Genisys being my last place.
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As a software developer, I find a surprising number of similarities with prop making for films. From how designs will constantly change in pre-production but are locked down in production, and supervisors being stress umbrellas protecting the artists (and coders) from getting yelled at. It's why I often say programming is sometimes a black art - there are many ways to get things done, each with different pros and cons, and your job is to find the one that is most suitable for the job at hand. Sometimes, what you need a quick hack, other times it needs to be an elaborate foolproof solution.
Code freeze is a concept but code and models have one thing in common: fiddle with it long enough and it will break. I would amend your statement to 'good supervisors are like stress umbrellas'. I've worked for stress umbrellas and I've worked for lick-spittles.
I'm also a software developer, and these are the exact two parallels I picked out from the conversation. My best managers were also great shit umbrellas. More specifically, they protected us from "bad things" where bad things are largely people higher in the food chain making dumb decisions, applying pressure, demanding unreasonable things, being horrible human beings, etc. The _worst_ manager I ever had was a shit pipe. He was just a mouthpiece for corporate, and was put in place when corporate got tired of my other manager who was an excellent shit umbrella. Manager number one was fired when corporate got tired of the shit not reaching its intended targets, so they replace him with the shit pipe. I quit within 3 months. I still hate that worst manager. If you're still out their John, fuck you. I'm not a model maker, but I think there's a lot of parallels between software, and model making because they're both creative endeavors that also must be functional. Software is a form of applied math, and model making is a form of applied art. Things have to work, there's money at stake, and you're basically never doing the same things twice. That's the essence of creative works.
I've got experience from both industries and can confirm the similarities. One of the reasons is that both are working in the intersection between art and science, which can be a very weird place to be in.
I was incredibly impressed with the special effects on T3. It was the first movie where the effects were completely believable to the point that I wasn't even thinking, "Hey cool CG and models!" It just looked real. Unfortunately, that also meant that the lack of story and character development became glaringly obvious because there wasn't anything else to pull my attention away. Major props to the special effects team on T3!
same, his life before is just as interesting tbh, shows how he evolved over the years and relied on past experiences to move forwards ect. Legit would love a proper multi episode Netflix specials
I know it wasn't your main point but that one of shielding your reports from what's coming from above was one of my big lessons when I was a technical team lead for a software company, to the point that when the entire team was burning out and I had given notice and I got a meeting about what it would take to keep me I made it all about ending the burnout conditions for everyone.
If you have a craft that you love, hearing others talk about a craft they love is hugely inspiring. I hope it’s the same for kids who aspire to a craft. Keep it up!
This is so entertaining and interesting, but no joke this kind of content we get from Adam (and others!) is going to be totally priceless 30, 40, 50 years from now when people are viewing these movies that will be not long from their 100th birthday. Imagine if we had this kind of discussion and detail about the process from the earliest movies documented in the very words of the people who created them?
the thing about tiny details that ive earnt over thee years is simple. they wont add anything to the scene, but the moment they're not there they can take everything away from it. its extraordinary, because the viewer may not be able to put their finger on a latch point being missing from an object but theyll still know something is off.
I learn so much from Adam Savage not only about building, filming, making stuff but about how to do life, how to approach it and look at things from a place of joy and wonder and learning and gratitude. I feel like he is a mentor to the masses from his channel on TH-cam. The amount of knowledge and life experience that Adam freely gives of himself is huge. I mean yes, TH-cam is an income stream for him but talk about value for money. Definitely role model material.
I’ve still got my Alps printer. I bought it because of the white and metallic colors. I made model railroad decals in 4 different scales plus my radio controlled cars that I made custom decals for. It’s a shame that they faded away from the market. I keep it around and use it sparingly when I have a project / model.
I have this theory about Terminator 3: It is secretly a good action movie, but you don't know that because it has the foley of a cartoon. So you have this cognitive dissonance through the whole film where the _movie_ is telling you it is a serious action film but the _sound_ is telling you it is a comedy. So basic action ends up feeling comedic and the _comic relief_ ends up feeling _literally cartoonish._ Go back and watch it with the sound off and subtitles on. I'm serious. Don't re-watch it first. Just go in after years of not seeing it with the sound off. You'll enjoy the movie. I promise.
I watched T3 in the cinema on release. I really enjoyed it. Thought it was a nice end to the trilogy. It surprised me that it has a bad reputation. Also, I could watch a 3 hour video of you 2 talking. It’s amazing.
Working @ILM: a scale model builder's fetish. On-topic: just hearing these 2 guys going, the love for the job is EVERYWHERE. Man, I envy that kind of passion.
Had an old commander that described himself as a "shit filter." He would stop his boss's good-idea-fairies whenever he could, and only let shit get all the way down to us if there was no other way. It's a good trait for any leader to have.
I need more of this. Go for hours! I don't work in film but everything you guys are talking about leaves me wanting more. Geek out, nerd out, let it all out. These are the kind of things I want to hear about.
I could watch a full feature film of you guys talking about this stuff with some intermissions of B roll footage showing what you are talking about the way you did with the forced perspective.
At the tail end of the video, the story about moving models across through traffic, the bumps in the road, manhole covers, driveways, etc., made me think why didn't Lucasfilm or some other studio ever think of designing a gimbal system similar to what they have for body harness cameras, or even those handheld DJI cameras for DSLR and mirrorless cameras, but ones that can take a certain payload, that can safely transport models completely dampening all but the move severe impacts that the trolley suffers in route to the set? I mean before those gimbal harnesses for cameramen, they didn't exist, and getting steady shots on the move was near impossible without a track you'd mount the camera on which left you with little flexibility to literally go "off track". A gimbal system to move not only expensive heavy models from the the model shop to set, but also expensive and fragile art pieces, or artifacts, sounds like a brilliant idea.
Thank you guys sooo much. I'm a life long sci Fi movie fan. Your stories are exciting and visual and make me realise how much I take for granted viewing these iconic scenes. BTW I loved space cowboys..
This type of video really helps me get a grasp on difficult days. I have a diagnosed condition, I'm like an artist who can't be rushed. But this kind of talk I can wrap my head around, for I understand the principles and gives me focus of thought. I actually enjoy a 15 minute video like this, knowing the raw footage was probably well over an hour, edited as a condensate of two masters in the trade, going back and forth, reminiscing old school origins before things went digital. I wish my side of the pond had an opening to be given a chance to make memories like this, but mainland Europe was and is not the place to make a career in this field of artistry. Nonetheless, thank you once again for this short piece of (my) mind..
Been a while since I herd anybody talk about ALPS printers. That was something I always wanted back in the 90's. Their tech was so much different than the inkjets of the day. Always thought it would be cool to be ablke to print with gold or silver ink! Looks like someone is still selling refurbished ALPS printers and ink. Pretty cool to see a dedicated base for a 25yo printer!
Might not steal the scene when there, but it's presence sells it, and it's absence can often be so glaring as to ruin it. The sort of work you guys did and perhaps still do, is so under-celebrated, and so vital.
I miss my old Alps Microdry printer. :( It was so awesome! Better than laser quality, water proof so you can use it on water stickers like you said for models. It also printed in chrome colors and even in gloss so when you're done printing it would look like an actual professional printed picture. I should have never sold it. :(
I fell into FX and VFX from my former career as a mentalist. And besides that I always work as an IT freelancer (so I can jump and do Film or TV). And as a software engineer, I loved designing everything. Coming to a TV set (even worse than film), I was like: “WTF? Nothing is planned, things even change in between commercial breaks (I worked on live TV shows). It was so stressful. And I learned something incredibly valuable, that helps me in my IT job: “Just start on something and solve issues as they arrive, don’t plan ahead to try and avoid them”. As a technical team lead in IT. I’d often use that approach. I asked for ideas and general approaches and said: “let’s start and see where we hit problems and then call the team to brain storm”. We basically designed by developing and knew exactly from experience where they real pitfalls were, that you could’ve never foreseen. And often this “prototype” was deemed good enough to run. Because software has a life tine of about 5-7 years. And often these prototypes out lived well planned solutions.
Really enjoyed this. I remember the show on Discovery Channel called Movie Magic. Really liked that show. Its fascinating to see and hear the techniques and tricks used in the movie business. Wish a series like that would happen again. If it did, I think we have two potential hosts....
We do too, but we'd get demonetized or our video would be pulled down for copyright infringement by the automatic crawler. Unfortunately, believe us, we know.
The final dive scene in 'For your eyes only', where James bond 'swims' upto the French actress, there was no water anywhere except on the cameras to give the illusion of air bubbles.
Sculptures use force perspective. Michelangelo’s David was sculptured to to keep a uniform size from a low viewing angle that would normally force to eye to see the head and shoulders as much smaller than the legs and feet. (Correct me if I’m wrong about any of this)
I think right now CG has the issue of they haven't quite nailed down lighting and smaller movements and so, for me, a lot of modern CG rests right in uncanny valley. It's something I really miss about films that are a little older is the practical effects work and how less of the lighting was CG. It's so fun watching the two of you walk about your projects.
Yep, lighting is a major part of the equation. It's a lot easier to create believable CGI aliens than humans, because we know how light behaves on human skin. When it comes to human faces, there are also these mood based micro expressions that are really hard to replicate and time correctly. I like to categorize CGI in two categories, photorealistic CGI and Lucas CGI, Rachael (in Blade Runner 2049) is in the former and Thanos is in the latter category. I think Lucas and ILM found this certain sweet spot where, alien creatures don't necessarily look realistic but believable enough so they don't bother the viewer.
When you're focused on the fuel tank models, I'm looking at those 8 pieces, 4 per tank, the rectangles with the circle holes in them, those look like they were taken from 12 inch toy packaging! Used to anchor figures with twist ties and reinforce the box packaging. Lol, I've watched too many maker videos using garbage and recycling to scratch build something to make that kinda connection!
I wish I had supervisors that were shit umbrellas instead of shit firehoses that do the exact opposite of what was described in this video. Man, every part of Adams life and work history is something to be envious of.
I completely get what it is you were saying about the pressure of the moment, as a guy who has spent his career building and campaigning race cars there is that same type of pressure…. A green flag waits for no man!
My friend and I, in college, wanted to make "pocket particle accelerators". We always used to joke about it: "Just add neutrons," he'd say. 😂😂 This video made me think about it again...
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I think I speak for everyone in saying we don't get bored listening to you talk about your work and projects we love the meandering and the odd stories and reminiscing so don't feel like you are dragging on. We are loving these videos!
Ha! So cool. I actually worked at a company that build linear accelerators and helped with some designs (FORTRAN-based JASON computations of MITLs - magnetically insulated transmission lines).
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Perspective Father Ted style
"we could go on for hours..." Who the F is stopping you?! Not me!
Love this so much! Talking shop is like that looking glass we all wanted but never had. Priceless. Especially as engaging and animated as you guys are, riffing off of each others memories without crowding each others' plates... Two masters of their craft. Please do longer episodes, e.g. a walk-through of an entire movie you were in, with the props. Love love love this!
Right!? This should be it's own series on this channel. Memories above the Model quo.
I agree with this 110%!
Hell yeah!
@@nathantron absolutely!
Yes
Honestly I would love to listen to Adam and Fon Davis talk for hours, both about productions they have worked on, and productions they didn't because they have this collective knowledge of the industry that would give a great insight.
I think we all would. I miss some of the old behind the scenes on various movies, where ILM staff would just talk about the work they did, and how they made movie magic for us.
PODCAST PODCAST PODCAST
omg yes please!!!
Agreed. The best combo. They need more videos!
Quack, damn you
I would love a proper multi episode Netflix special on Adam and the people in his bubble of awesomeness.
As a CG modeller I really prefer tight deadlines because it means there's no time to agonize over every decision, you have to just choose something right now and go with it. It really helps you think more creatively.
I think a fireside chat style stage show with Adam, Fon and maybe a few others just talking shop would be amazing to attend
I'd like Jaime
If only grant could've been there to talk about this with you guys. RIP Grant
Still miss him lots, what a guy
I could watch hours of stuff like this. For me, the behind the scenes is far more interesting than the actual shows or movies.
I actually enjoy Terminator 3 as a movie. Glad to know a little of what went into it.
Same. In a certain sense - with regard to the concept of fate - I think it is actually the best of all the films.
I don't think there's a BAD Terminator film. Less good ones, but not bad ones. I genuinely liked Dark Fate in spite of all the hate it gets. Three is my 4th total with Genisys being my last place.
Fon and Adam absolutely should keep doing this for hours! LOVE IT.
We'll be filming more with Fon in a few weeks!
Fon is a great dude, I'd love to see more videos with you two just chatting about your past work, it's a great time
We'll be filming more with Fon later this month!
@@tested That is great to hear!
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As a software developer, I find a surprising number of similarities with prop making for films. From how designs will constantly change in pre-production but are locked down in production, and supervisors being stress umbrellas protecting the artists (and coders) from getting yelled at. It's why I often say programming is sometimes a black art - there are many ways to get things done, each with different pros and cons, and your job is to find the one that is most suitable for the job at hand. Sometimes, what you need a quick hack, other times it needs to be an elaborate foolproof solution.
Great insight. 20+ year developer and I was just thinking if the parallels listening to them talk.
Code freeze is a concept but code and models have one thing in common: fiddle with it long enough and it will break. I would amend your statement to 'good supervisors are like stress umbrellas'. I've worked for stress umbrellas and I've worked for lick-spittles.
I'm also a software developer, and these are the exact two parallels I picked out from the conversation.
My best managers were also great shit umbrellas. More specifically, they protected us from "bad things" where bad things are largely people higher in the food chain making dumb decisions, applying pressure, demanding unreasonable things, being horrible human beings, etc. The _worst_ manager I ever had was a shit pipe. He was just a mouthpiece for corporate, and was put in place when corporate got tired of my other manager who was an excellent shit umbrella. Manager number one was fired when corporate got tired of the shit not reaching its intended targets, so they replace him with the shit pipe. I quit within 3 months. I still hate that worst manager. If you're still out their John, fuck you.
I'm not a model maker, but I think there's a lot of parallels between software, and model making because they're both creative endeavors that also must be functional. Software is a form of applied math, and model making is a form of applied art. Things have to work, there's money at stake, and you're basically never doing the same things twice. That's the essence of creative works.
I think that's true for most jobs where you have to be creative on a deadline.
I've got experience from both industries and can confirm the similarities. One of the reasons is that both are working in the intersection between art and science, which can be a very weird place to be in.
I was incredibly impressed with the special effects on T3. It was the first movie where the effects were completely believable to the point that I wasn't even thinking, "Hey cool CG and models!" It just looked real. Unfortunately, that also meant that the lack of story and character development became glaringly obvious because there wasn't anything else to pull my attention away. Major props to the special effects team on T3!
Please talk more about your pre Mythbusters years, I love hearing about this.
same, his life before is just as interesting tbh, shows how he evolved over the years and relied on past experiences to move forwards ect. Legit would love a proper multi episode Netflix specials
I Think you SHOULD keep doing this all day. Make a series on these Memories. It's amazing and not enough people share them.
I know it wasn't your main point but that one of shielding your reports from what's coming from above was one of my big lessons when I was a technical team lead for a software company, to the point that when the entire team was burning out and I had given notice and I got a meeting about what it would take to keep me I made it all about ending the burnout conditions for everyone.
It's amazing hearing the stories and the passion these guys have for the art they made and the craft they pioneered.
More of this please. It's like the DVD special features and "making of" featurettes that I miss so much.
If you have a craft that you love, hearing others talk about a craft they love is hugely inspiring. I hope it’s the same for kids who aspire to a craft. Keep it up!
This is so entertaining and interesting, but no joke this kind of content we get from Adam (and others!) is going to be totally priceless 30, 40, 50 years from now when people are viewing these movies that will be not long from their 100th birthday. Imagine if we had this kind of discussion and detail about the process from the earliest movies documented in the very words of the people who created them?
Please, keep doing this for hours. Record it. We will watch every second of it
the thing about tiny details that ive earnt over thee years is simple. they wont add anything to the scene, but the moment they're not there they can take everything away from it. its extraordinary, because the viewer may not be able to put their finger on a latch point being missing from an object but theyll still know something is off.
I learn so much from Adam Savage not only about building, filming, making stuff but about how to do life, how to approach it and look at things from a place of joy and wonder and learning and gratitude. I feel like he is a mentor to the masses from his channel on TH-cam. The amount of knowledge and life experience that Adam freely gives of himself is huge. I mean yes, TH-cam is an income stream for him but talk about value for money. Definitely role model material.
I loved this video. Gives us all a tiny glimpse behind the curtain of how the magic happens.
I’ve still got my Alps printer. I bought it because of the white and metallic colors. I made model railroad decals in 4 different scales plus my radio controlled cars that I made custom decals for. It’s a shame that they faded away from the market. I keep it around and use it sparingly when I have a project / model.
I love hearing you and Fon reminisce over your work at ILM! I literally never get tired of hearing about it.
Adam and Fon should get a Netflix series! This is superb content! And thanks to the crew shooting this
I have this theory about Terminator 3: It is secretly a good action movie, but you don't know that because it has the foley of a cartoon. So you have this cognitive dissonance through the whole film where the _movie_ is telling you it is a serious action film but the _sound_ is telling you it is a comedy. So basic action ends up feeling comedic and the _comic relief_ ends up feeling _literally cartoonish._
Go back and watch it with the sound off and subtitles on. I'm serious. Don't re-watch it first. Just go in after years of not seeing it with the sound off. You'll enjoy the movie. I promise.
its better than some of newer ones that i've seen.
Compared to every Terminator movie after, it IS a good action movie and I'd gladly re-watch it!
well I know what I'm doing tomorrow night
Please do this chat for hours!!!! It's enthralling stuff.
So glad you think so! We'll be filming more with Fon later this month!
@@tested Yes, this is the proper behind the scenes stuff that should be in DVD-boxes but isn't.
@@zapfanzapfan amen! I've bought DVDs only for this kind of BTS (really who cares about Thirteen Ghosts but the Ghost design was fantastic!)
@@tested and all is well with the.world.... 😊 thanks
I watched T3 in the cinema on release. I really enjoyed it. Thought it was a nice end to the trilogy. It surprised me that it has a bad reputation. Also, I could watch a 3 hour video of you 2 talking. It’s amazing.
It's good, it's just not as good as T2. It's tough to do a followup to a masterpiece.
@@zapfanzapfan I concur. 👍
Working @ILM: a scale model builder's fetish.
On-topic: just hearing these 2 guys going, the love for the job is EVERYWHERE. Man, I envy that kind of passion.
Had an old commander that described himself as a "shit filter." He would stop his boss's good-idea-fairies whenever he could, and only let shit get all the way down to us if there was no other way. It's a good trait for any leader to have.
I could listen to these 2 men talk about prop making for days. What a fascinating pair.
As a side-note, I used to use dry transfers (and black tape) for making PCB artwork. A lost art!
I need more of this. Go for hours! I don't work in film but everything you guys are talking about leaves me wanting more. Geek out, nerd out, let it all out. These are the kind of things I want to hear about.
It is a kind of mind blowing, how many of the big movies are made the same place.
thank you for share those amazing stories and peeks behind the camera. you two should have a pod cast. seriously.
You guys could keep doing this for hours... Well, we could keep watching it for hours, too ;)
I could watch a full feature film of you guys talking about this stuff with some intermissions of B roll footage showing what you are talking about the way you did with the forced perspective.
At the tail end of the video, the story about moving models across through traffic, the bumps in the road, manhole covers, driveways, etc., made me think why didn't Lucasfilm or some other studio ever think of designing a gimbal system similar to what they have for body harness cameras, or even those handheld DJI cameras for DSLR and mirrorless cameras, but ones that can take a certain payload, that can safely transport models completely dampening all but the move severe impacts that the trolley suffers in route to the set? I mean before those gimbal harnesses for cameramen, they didn't exist, and getting steady shots on the move was near impossible without a track you'd mount the camera on which left you with little flexibility to literally go "off track". A gimbal system to move not only expensive heavy models from the the model shop to set, but also expensive and fragile art pieces, or artifacts, sounds like a brilliant idea.
I absolutely LOVE these shop talk vids, Adam and company!! Please make lots more!! ;)
I love watching Adam be right back inside the memory. He geeks out so hard, and then his trademark laugh, bellows out of his mouthl
You guys are just amazing. I honestly thought that was all CG, but now I learned that the best things I have seen were all still practical effects :)
Thank you guys sooo much. I'm a life long sci Fi movie fan. Your stories are exciting and visual and make me realise how much I take for granted viewing these iconic scenes. BTW I loved space cowboys..
Love Fon! Thanks for adding all these because it's delightful hearing you both talk about all your experiences.
I always enjoy watching you get so excited talking about your work.
This type of video really helps me get a grasp on difficult days. I have a diagnosed condition, I'm like an artist who can't be rushed. But this kind of talk I can wrap my head around, for I understand the principles and gives me focus of thought.
I actually enjoy a 15 minute video like this, knowing the raw footage was probably well over an hour, edited as a condensate of two masters in the trade, going back and forth, reminiscing old school origins before things went digital.
I wish my side of the pond had an opening to be given a chance to make memories like this, but mainland Europe was and is not the place to make a career in this field of artistry.
Nonetheless, thank you once again for this short piece of (my) mind..
Is anyone else freaking out over the table constantly moving from the weight, and fearing the Terminator statue falling off the edge XD
Been a while since I herd anybody talk about ALPS printers. That was something I always wanted back in the 90's. Their tech was so much different than the inkjets of the day. Always thought it would be cool to be ablke to print with gold or silver ink! Looks like someone is still selling refurbished ALPS printers and ink. Pretty cool to see a dedicated base for a 25yo printer!
Adam and Fon what a great bunch of story's they can tell, I could listen for hours. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for your comment!
So envious that you guys did this for a living.
This channel underestimates the amount of time people will spend listening to these kinds of stories.
Might not steal the scene when there, but it's presence sells it, and it's absence can often be so glaring as to ruin it.
The sort of work you guys did and perhaps still do, is so under-celebrated, and so vital.
As someone who owns a design agency with 12 employees I feel the term shit umbrella deep in my spirit.
I miss my old Alps Microdry printer. :( It was so awesome! Better than laser quality, water proof so you can use it on water stickers like you said for models. It also printed in chrome colors and even in gloss so when you're done printing it would look like an actual professional printed picture. I should have never sold it. :(
That was fun to watch you two get excited
This Is Fantastic!!! I love earing about these stories and experiences!!!
"Time pressure hacks branches off your decision tree".
In computer science, that's basically the A* search algorithm.
I love this behind the scenes stuff. Cinematography is awesome!
Please keep doing this for hours!
We need an "Adam & Fon Talk Shop" podcast.
I fell into FX and VFX from my former career as a mentalist. And besides that I always work as an IT freelancer (so I can jump and do Film or TV). And as a software engineer, I loved designing everything. Coming to a TV set (even worse than film), I was like: “WTF? Nothing is planned, things even change in between commercial breaks (I worked on live TV shows). It was so stressful. And I learned something incredibly valuable, that helps me in my IT job: “Just start on something and solve issues as they arrive, don’t plan ahead to try and avoid them”. As a technical team lead in IT. I’d often use that approach. I asked for ideas and general approaches and said: “let’s start and see where we hit problems and then call the team to brain storm”. We basically designed by developing and knew exactly from experience where they real pitfalls were, that you could’ve never foreseen.
And often this “prototype” was deemed good enough to run. Because software has a life tine of about 5-7 years. And often these prototypes out lived well planned solutions.
these videos are so much fun to watch. you two make it feel like i was there
What a life you guys have lived 👍👍
Bro doesn’t even know how much he has inspired me to make things
Yes please do this for hours
When are these guys gonna start a podcast? I could listen to these stories for hours.
This has been another masterclass, thankyou!
Really enjoyed this. I remember the show on Discovery Channel called Movie Magic. Really liked that show. Its fascinating to see and hear the techniques and tricks used in the movie business. Wish a series like that would happen again. If it did, I think we have two potential hosts....
This needs to be a podcast
I really wish you could get clips to show in some of these discussions ...
We do too, but we'd get demonetized or our video would be pulled down for copyright infringement by the automatic crawler. Unfortunately, believe us, we know.
The final dive scene in 'For your eyes only', where James bond 'swims' upto the French actress, there was no water anywhere except on the cameras to give the illusion of air bubbles.
Walt Disney used forced perspective on the upper windows of Cinderellas castle ... windows get smaller the higher they are.
Wow that’s similar to the oilfield but everything is real. Thanks for sharing!
Sculptures use force perspective. Michelangelo’s David was sculptured to to keep a uniform size from a low viewing angle that would normally force to eye to see the head and shoulders as much smaller than the legs and feet. (Correct me if I’m wrong about any of this)
Correct but vice versa - the head and shoulders are bigger so that he seems more normal from a lower angle.
@@zoinomiko thats what said...or at least meant
Shit umbrella... an advance management technique for artists workshops. 😂
This is fascinating.
Brilliant, thank you for this.
Didn't know about the dry wet, learned something new today!
I think right now CG has the issue of they haven't quite nailed down lighting and smaller movements and so, for me, a lot of modern CG rests right in uncanny valley. It's something I really miss about films that are a little older is the practical effects work and how less of the lighting was CG.
It's so fun watching the two of you walk about your projects.
Yep, lighting is a major part of the equation. It's a lot easier to create believable CGI aliens than humans, because we know how light behaves on human skin. When it comes to human faces, there are also these mood based micro expressions that are really hard to replicate and time correctly. I like to categorize CGI in two categories, photorealistic CGI and Lucas CGI, Rachael (in Blade Runner 2049) is in the former and Thanos is in the latter category. I think Lucas and ILM found this certain sweet spot where, alien creatures don't necessarily look realistic but believable enough so they don't bother the viewer.
When you're focused on the fuel tank models, I'm looking at those 8 pieces, 4 per tank, the rectangles with the circle holes in them, those look like they were taken from 12 inch toy packaging! Used to anchor figures with twist ties and reinforce the box packaging.
Lol, I've watched too many maker videos using garbage and recycling to scratch build something to make that kinda connection!
Can I ask the channels you follow on that topic? I am interested about making things from garbage...
I thought the tanks may have been G-Scale railroad pieces, TBH.
Is that Kenada's bike from Akira that I spy in the background? Fantastic chat as always!
I wish I had supervisors that were shit umbrellas instead of shit firehoses that do the exact opposite of what was described in this video.
Man, every part of Adams life and work history is something to be envious of.
Always love learning more about things like this. You guys are awesome.
We need to see more videos with Fon, and longer ones, 1hr+ at least.
More with Fon to come!
@@tested awesome!
This was great. Thank you.
Omg please keep talking. This is so awesome!!
Do a podcast with these guys! I want to hear everything
I completely get what it is you were saying about the pressure of the moment, as a guy who has spent his career building and campaigning race cars there is that same type of pressure…. A green flag waits for no man!
I love watching this and learned a lot.
Those forced perspective skulls hurt my eyes with Adam and Fon in the background. Messed with my visual perspective.
Absolutely awesome video guys!!
You can see the PTSD kick in when talking about moving models through traffic. 😂
“Artists do not work well under duress”… love to hear it and I’d love for the “suffering artist” myth to be more publicly… busted. 🙂
Hey sounds like you to had the dream job I always wanted thanks for a great video
Ditch the "this is a test" podcast, I rather watch an hour long video of you two reminiscing!
We need a video game of Frogger where you play Adam and Fon pushing a model through traffic from the model shop to the sound stage.
"shit umbrella"..
I will so remember that term and its meaning.
we're being drip-fed joy. more more please more.
My friend and I, in college, wanted to make "pocket particle accelerators".
We always used to joke about it: "Just add neutrons," he'd say. 😂😂
This video made me think about it again...