Why do Audiophiles HATE Bose?
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- Bose is one of most recognized brands in the world. Ask anyone on the street who they think makes the best audio products, and you will likely hear Bose as their answer. So why is it that most audiophiles HATE Bose? This TH-cam attempts to answer that question to give you a better perspective on the company and people’s expectations of them. We go over the history of their products and "research" discussing everything from their home speakers, headphones, soundbars and more...
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Wish they had the same passion for microphone quality
you know you should take these audiophiles with a pinch of salt when they are acceptable to such audio quality output from their own youtube videos! LOL.
yea, cuz this was clearly meant to be in 3d audio, for atmos! Guess you can only crack on them and not the content... maturity, shows such maturity. Go buy some Camden Audio set!~
@@KindredIndust
Right on! I mean, who expects less than thx quality of video and audio in a TH-cam discussion video... I won't even put a question mark because it's evident. They must think they're pulling themselves up by tearing others down. 😒
Indeed, you'd think they would be the kind of folks who would be very interested in a nice TASCAM, Zoom, Olympus or Sony audio recorder paired with some nice lavalier microphones. :)
Lol
This video reminds me of "Dr. Sheldon Cooper's Fun With Flags"
OMG YES!
Captain Kirk! :)
I got a Lifestyle home theater system over 20 years ago and it was such an improvement over the silly big-speaker stereo I had from May Co that I didn't care if the actual audio quality was not really there. I simply didn't want to become an audio expert; I just wanted one-stop, one-box surround sound. But shortly after, I began looking for better and was shocked by how much better I could do while spending less money.
robert my friend, you have seen the light!
I have a pair of 901s that I got for a hundred bucks on craigslist. They aren't perfect, but but they're clean, loud and look like nothing else.
Mike Covello
if you are able to restore them, you have a really good system for larger rooms, you are able to get the Hifi for cheap.
Buy 6x 501/901 and you have that 1978 Cinema class at home! Only needing a Yamaha A6A, only spending some money, $300 on the speakers.
$ 3000 for the DAC/AMP? or the cheaper V6A? Make a less than $1000 Pro Setup.
I have a good friend that bought a Bose, he loves coming over to watch movies or listen to music any chance he gets. And I have what I would call an entry level system, however I have taken the time to position my speakers right and also tweaked the room acoustics.
I don't like them. I sold them. The 401s with weights in them and under $50 worth of drivers. The AM 5 with a hole in the midrange big enough to drive a bus through. In the end, we used them to showcase how much better the Axiom speakers we sold were for the money.
There is a reason why we used to say "Bose, Better sound through marketing"
A lot of people used to say "No highs, no lows, must be Bose", but we had a better saying:
Better
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Todd, I inherited an Axiom system from my brother who was really into his music. Awesome speakers. [M60 floorstanding X 4, VP150 center, QS8 surround X 2, SVS sub]
OTOH, my other brother has Bose speakers on his wall and swears they are the best. He would like the brag factor of the Axioms but sound-wise the Bose is just as good.
Dear bro. I have Bose home Theater system. Nobody tells me the level of Bass and Treble. Is it treble level should be lesser than bass level. Or bass and treble should same level or treble should be more than bass level. Please reply. There is no guide in user manual.
i remember 20 yrs ago getting into a heated debate with my ex father in law old school navy seal in a department store over the fact that bose speakers are not all that...
My wife is still not happy that I spent money on B&W, Klipsch rather than going for bose lol 😂
You're my Hero! lol
She is still not Happy? Both those companies kick the crap out of bose products.
I hate it because I spend 15k on a Denon/Klipsch/SVS/Parasound setup running 7.2.4 and my brother-in-law asks, “How much better is Bose than your system.”
That alone is enough of an insult to hate the brand. ;)
I have their QC35 headphones, love them...other than that, they are just over priced electronics...
That would have physically hurt me to hear lol.
Hogre0knifenut Especially from an in-law. ;)
I had something similar happen. I run Adcom, Rotel, Kef and M&K. I wrote it off, there's no pill for stupid.
punch him in the face.
Lol if you haven’t already, invite him over to watch an action movie, and when it’s over ask him how much better he thinks your system is than Bose.
I worked at Allison Acoustics back in the '80's. We were in Natick, Massachusetts. Bose built a factory and buried it to create an a hill. They are located in an industrial area on the West Side of Framingham, Massachusetts. I knew people with Bose branded recievers, amps,etc..In 1979 I was listening to a Bose car stereo installed into an employee's vehicle. A member of my congregation was sent to Ireland to setup an operation there. I really enjoyed working for Dr. Roy. We were a small company.30 people maybe. We made some really good speakers. I started out doing production and worked my way up to testing. We tested every component and every completed speaker. I would have to say my favorite Allison Acoustics speaker was the "Godzilla". The Model 1's. Empty cabinet was really heavy. Two woofers in a push/pull setup that eliminated a vacuum condition inside the the cabinet. Two dome mid ranges and two tweeters on each face. A remote that could adjust each face a small amount for best sound in your listening space. We had to build carpeted rolling tables to work on them. They didn't fit on the production line. We rebuilt two pairs for a famous audio products builder. We were sent the first pair for upgrades. Special cable was sent to replace the factory wire. I silver soldered the wiring connections inside the cabinet. Difficult to do with a micro torch. I had done silver soldering for industrial temperature sensors in a previous job. The customer recieved the units. Called up and ordered another pair built the same as the first. As soon as the check cleared the second pair was built. The outside recieved a spectacular paint job. Six coats of black laquer and six coats of clear. Engineers can design wonderful products but you need great workers to build them. Dr. Roy knew everyones name. Asked sbout any problems you were having. Like a concerned uncle. A tragedy to watch it die.
I bought my first and only set of Bose 601 gen 3 in 1985 while I was in the military. I listened to many different brands. Most of the other brands seemed louder. We called them distortion drivers. I wasn’t a fan of the 901’s sound. But the clarity of the 4 tweeters and 2 8inch woofers in the 601 sounded really good. As far as I was concerned they were the best bang for the buck and I’m still pushing them today. That’s 35 years of everyday use and they never needed any repairs.
Biggest crime to me is their abuse of proprietary cables and connectors
Love that you highlighted the Energy Take 5. I still listen to the original Energy 22 reference connoisseur, bought them back in the 80s and still sound great, that is after I had their "million dollar" tweeters rebuilt by Chris Cootes, former Energy technician. Back then Energy was the anti Bose. Their design focused on simple concepts to get the best sound from the speaker box to your ears. Well designed and built drivers, solid resonant free enclosure, tuned bass ports, phase aligned driver placement and matched drivers to improve soundstage, and reasonably priced!! It was amazing what they got out of a dome tweeter and 7 inch woofer. As an engineer, I never really got the designs like Bose and Polk that just filled a box with bunches of drivers, the higher end, the more drivers. Keep it simple, less is more!!
What would be a comparable system in place of the bose wave sound touch system iv for a 125 sq ft room ?
I have bought Bose double cube speakers before I saw this video to connect to my Yamaha RX-v585 receiver. Please suggest if I can connect this Bose speaker to my receiver directly.
You guys pretty much hit the nail on the head for the most part about the acoustimass. I bought my acoustimass 10 (not lifestyle, just the speakers, paired with a good Onkyo receiver, I'm not completely daft) 12 years ago. I had just gotten back from a deployment and had money to blow and as a new SGT was being forced out of the barracks into a SMALL apartment. I simply wanted speakers in a 5.1 setup that were small, simple to set up, and sounded way better than the TV. I also didn't want to do a lot of research, I wanted something in that apartment, fully functional, and working that same day. While it is true that you can find a better sounding satellite system for $1000, it wasn't in THAT store. In THAT store, the acoustimass 10 was the best sounding full 5.1 surround at that price and with small speakers. It was THAT simple. So I bought them. Here I am, 12 years later and I am upgrading my living room finally. This time I wanted to get the garaunteed best sound for my still $1000 speaker budget but had more time, patience, and resources at my disposal. I found a sale on Definitive Technology products and purchased a Procinema 800 5.1 speaker set. They have dedicated aluminum dome tweeters, a self powered 8 inch true sub clear warm mids, and use passive radiators on the small speakers and the sub. Also comes with a beefed up center channel. This system was normally out of my price range at $1200 but I couldn't help but leap all over it like a drunk monkey when I found it on sale for the holidays at a mere $750! So in your audiophile wisdom, will these Definitive Tech speakers sound better than the acoustimass 10? (I just ordered them, they haven't even arrived yet)
I moved my Bose speakers into my computer room to replace my Logitech z speakers who's amplifier had taken a dump, and frankly, regardless of anyone's opinion, I think they are the best damn computer desk speakers I have ever had, giving them a new lease on life. The cubes small size let's me easily fit one each on the left and right and a center turned sideways UNDERNEATH my monitor. No other computer speakers I've ever owned, and I've owned a lot, sounded as powerful. And being on my desk 3 feet or less from my face and powered by a Onkyo 100 watt per channel receiver in a small 12ft square room,turning the volume any higher than halfway would make my ears bleed and shake me out of my computer chair!
This brings me to my only real contention with Bose critics. I fully understand the limitations of the acoustimass, but you still have to give Bose credit. Creating big sounds from small packages was started with the acoustimass. It was NEVER an audiophile aimed piece of tech. It was aimed at getting as big a sound as possible for people with very limited space or people that simply don't like the main item of decor in their house to be a set of speakers. When acoustimass came out, it was the ONLY thing like it on the market. This is why it sold so well and for so long. Bose threw in the towel with floor standing speakers, they just couldn't compete, but this is why the acoustimass is still around. It still has valid applications, like my small PC gaming room. The other thing that gets me is how people always bring up their build quality. There is nothing wrong with paper cones for speakers if done right. In fact, most speakers that have ever been made are of such material. To me, longevity speaks of quality. This acoustimass, with paper cones, has already lasted more than 12 years and I see no reason why I couldn't get 12 more out of them. That's a lot of listening for $1000. I've had two computer dedicated 5.1 systems go out on me during this time. One from Logitech that cost over $300, and one from Klipsch that was over $500. If I can get 24 years out of this Bose, they were well worth their price point over anything else I've put in that room.
I would welcome feedback. Especially about the new Def Tech speaker choice as in comparison with my old Bose.
I'd say it was probably your Onkyo receiver that made the Bose speakers sound so good.
@@Asmogrim all speakers sound better with a good receiver. But I think the reasons my old Acoustimass sound better on the computer than they did in the living room is because of the smaller room size and the fact that my computer's creative labs sound card has excellent equalization and sound enhancement software that allows me to tweak the sound to my heart's content. Whereas my new Def techs sound great with little equalization, the acoustimass greatly benefit from it.
I'm 90% sure the DT system sounds significantly better than the Bose. I've listened to the Bose years ago but not the DT. The DT's satellite speakers are 2-way mid- tweeter units vs the Bose's mid/tweeters. On the plus side, the Bose has a integrated amp unit for it which maximizes the speaker/sub combo's sound and it has wood pulp satellites. Your DT/Onkyo setup relies heavily on the Onkyo for power (I own an Onkyo receiver too) which is fine amp, but the woofers look like they're made of plastic (in the website photos).
BTW, regarding woofer material -- paper, plastic, aluminum, kevlar, etc. My friend, initials DT, talked directly to Dr. Bose years ago at a party and asked him his preferred woofer material. Dr. Bose said something very interesting. Dr. Bose said that objectively-speaking, plastic, aluminum, etc. should be superior to wood pulp because of higher rigidity. However, subjectively, wood-based cones sound better. Dr. Bose DIDN'T KNOW WHY. My friend DT was about to tell Dr. Bose why, but was interrupted and didn't get a chance to finish. DT told me of course.
Drum roll please ..
The reason why wood pulp-based woofers sound better than anything else is because:
1. Good wood fiber cones are much stiffer than people realize. Google "bulletproof paper".
2. A wood fiber woofer cone has RANDOM lengths of wood fibers, which results in sonic improvements over other materials, namely ..
3. Wood fiber woofer cones DON'T HAVE RESONANCE FREQUENCY problems like other materials.
4. Also, wood fiber woofer cones are very light (less mass), so are inherently FASTER.
Mystery solved. You can sleep better now.
@@danielho5635, actually you didn't help my sleep at all lol. In one sentence you say that my DefTech should sound better than the Bose, (and they do in the living room. Also they are connected to an even better Onkyo receiver. My brother is an audiophile and for Christmas he gave me his 2004 $1600 (new) Onkyo receiver. Even used and 14 years old that thing is selling for $500. More than I would ever spend). But, in the next sentence you say the Bose paper woofer is better lol. But it is a known fact that the acoustimass base module is that systems high point. It isn't a true sub-woofer but the base it does produce is phenomenal. (BTW the Acoustimass doesn't have a built in amp, not even for the sub, just a custom crossover. All of its power comes from the receiver) I think what pushes the Def Techs beyond the Bose sound is that the Def Tech satellites are fully capable of real base all the way down to 57 hz and have dedicated tweets. I set the crossover to 80 hz. The manual that came with the speakers says to set crossover at 120hz but when I looked this up, professional audiophiles that reviewed this system said that recommendation was for ease of sounds quality for people who don't like to tweak. Plug and play people. If you run your speakers through the prosub 800, Def techs own circuitry uses a 75hz crossover. It made perfect sense and improved the sound because low mids and high base are directional. Setting the crossover lower to 80hz ensured better aural directional accuracy, and since the satellites can handle 57hz, 80hz is easy for them.
Going back to your random fibres in wood pulp improving base quality point, perhaps that's why the passive radiators on the satellites and subwoofers are made of a rough textured material instead of smooth?
@@brianwhite9015 Sorry for the confusion. The "sleep better" part only refers to solving the ongoing debate about cone driver material. Any "rough texture" refers to what's "in" the cone driver, i.e. wood pulp fibers of various random lengths, and not the surface of the driver which may or may not be smooth.
One thing I ought to mention, is my personal preference for a movie 2.0 setup, not 5.1. I lucked-out in getting real JBL 8330 movie theater speakers ($1600 each piece when new) cheap, used on Craigslist. These 20 yr old speakers totally kick ass -- fast, extended, lively.
I personally think a good 2.0 setup is 10x better than a mediocre 5.1 setup -- which a majority of them are IMHO.
FWIW, yes I agree that your DefTecs work well because of your Onkyo. Bose satellite/subs have deficiencies in FR which are masked by its active equalization and matched amp. It only gets exposed when playing AC/DC or some other high octane music. Your system should fare much better in subjective tests.
I had a BOSE Videowave 55 (lost it in the divorce) and really loved the surround effect. Always assumed it was using some Mid-Side decoding to accomplish that. A bit expensive at nearly $6k but sure impressed my friends who couldn't figure out where all the sound was coming from. Also had a great remote that could work anything with little effort. I like them.
I really appreciate this video, now I know I'm not insane. I got a lifestyle surround sound set from the late 90s, probably the exact model you showed at 5:13, and at first I thought it sounded great because I was 15 and had a 5.1 system in my room, but when I went to college I bought a soundbar to hook my turntable up to (cringe) and convinced myself it didn't sound better. Even $140 audiotechnica headphones sound A LOT better. So any recommendations for bookshelf/ tower speakers specific models or brands to go with my turntable? Are newer speakers much better than older/ vintage ones or does it not matter?
Great video guys .What do you think about Paradigm speakers? I have older Paradigm titans and towers but i think they sound dam good. If you wanted a good strong home Theatre receiver what brand do you recommend without paying an arm n leg?
When I got married my wife forced me to put away my full size speakers because they were eyesores. She wanted to pick out the new speakers, so I let her. I told her anything but Bose, but she showed up with them anyway. I kept my mouth shut, but I knew they sounded terrible compared to my old system. Two weeks later we’re lying in bed and she randomly tells me the Bose sound like garbage. Fortunately I was able to convince the store to take them back. We compromised on some Polks, which were much better. We’ve moved on to higher end systems since then, but I’ll never forget the only time she admitted that I was right about something. Bose just don’t sound good.
your testosterone levels have been stabilized. congrats :)
She could say the Bose sound was garbage because she had heard your full range speakers earlier. Otherwise she would have felt the Bose sounded great
Me allso 😂
Nothing wrong with Polk, there Lsim speakers sound great, and there from Baltimore!
Most women won't even let you get Bose. They usually want you to use a sound bar and headphones.
Don needs to calm himself, he wouldn't let Gene finish a sentence without butting in most of the time.
I loved selling a Bose lifestyle system when I worked at Circuit City!! The spiff was over $100 and the 5 year esp warranty was a guarantee sell. One weekend I sold 4!! That paycheck I treated myself to a dcm power sub. Lol, My teenage ears love that bass.
As an alternative to the Wave, what small system, for my office at work, so you suggest to get great sound for jazz???
Little known fact, doubt anyone will see this comment, but the 4.5" drivers that were put in all those old Bose cabinets, were actually manufactured, under contract, by Jensen in the Punxsutawney, PA speaker plant in the 60's and 70's. We used to buy them for 15 cents each (filled the trunk of a '74 Oldsmobile for $45) to reload those old cabinets--the 401, 802, 901 the whole shooting match.
Knew someone many yrs ago who built himself 901's using those speakers.
yes well it was a clever marketing idea i guess - design something that used 15 cent drivers that could impress people on some level and make scads of cash
...And nobody seems today to remember what high praised was the 901 model by "audiophile" reviews in their days.
A pity memories are so volatile.
❤, your life is in danger, and walk away from anyone who asks what your name is or is holding a polaroid camera
Long winded video that barely addressed the title question.
Because they think their shitty speakers sound the best and just bash Bose to get views. Audiophiles are fucking morons.
PlatinumEagleStudio's At least audiophiles can articulate a thought without using the F bomb.
@@voiceofreason9238 So are you saying that audiophile's are, indeed, "fucking morons"? Because your comment does not address anything said.
You clearly weren't listening. Typical Brainiac!
Idiotic video.
what's that buzzing sound on this video.. is the mic grounded?
What are some of the best 2.1 pc speakers in the market? Not big sized ones.. Tks!
Nothing says audiophile like a poorly lit video with bad sound.
Put some more EQ on your BOSE system, it will sound better. :)
@@rodx5571 Oh that was a good one. Got a good lol from it.
You know- I was kinda thinking the same thing! Tone down the lights a little, guys! You might even make William Shatner look a little less like a cardboard (foldable) cutout.
Points out video in audiophile comment...
😄😄
You can drive yourself crazy and to the poor house listening to guy's like this. Audiophiles never think they have the best sound possible, and continue spending, upgrading , changing components, wires , amplifiers, speakers ect. But in the end still think they can do better, Pick a system and go with it. Sit down and enjoy the music,
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Like an addict seeking the next high. I just purchased the Bose soundbar 700 and it's fucking great....
Some people.loke this stuff as a hobby. You dont have e a hobby because you need it you have it because you enjoy it. More power to people.dor whatever you are into.
Great comment, due your research on the set up you want. But you have to know that the technology keeps getting better. So youll never have the best product after 1 yr.
Sound from the original source, say a symphony orchestra, is hard to match if not impossible. So you keep trying to get that sound. Some people will not accept less than the closest possible match to the sound of real music being produced right in front of them. There is no substitute. A system should have as few weak points in it as possible. And you don't have to go to the poor house to do it. Best audio source is a Blu-Ray player with a well recorded sound track.
@@Commanderson7 , I know, cause I'm one of those guys.
I wish I had the layout for a surround setup, but unfortunately I can only do a speaker bar. Anyone know of good speaker bar that can come close to a paradigm setup? I'm not worried about rears. It's the clarity of dialog and how you can hear bullets drop or rain from the paradigms. I have a Sony sound bar now And the clarity and dialog are not very crisp.
How much do you want to pay for the soundbar?
Radio Shack had some great audio quality in many of their products many years ago. I started with a small desktop setup when I joined the Navy (late 60's) and upgraded to Quadrophonic (QTA 790 (as I recall)) with huge speakers after getting out of the Navy and getting an apartment with my wife. We both loved the audio quality we got when rocking the house!!! Unfortunately I sold off my Quads, but I'm still rockin' with my Solo 3A's and Minimus 7's as part of my new Surround Sound system!
Favorite speakers? My Celestion 11s from the early 90s. I picked them for their stereo imaging - they have an uncanny knack for being able to place different instruments or vocals at different points in the sound field - assuming it's a decent recording of course. Klipsch speakers at the time had plenty of bass and highs - they couldn't help it - 18" woofer and a similarly sized horn. But you might as well have been at the ocean with your eyes closed - you couldn't tell the position of anything in the sound field - it was just a giant wall of sound. Bose of course likes to reflect everything off walls and ceilings before it gets to you. Interesting effect, but you lose the stereo imaging.
The Celestions have a wonderful mid-range too. On Tori Amos' "Boys for Pele" album you can practically stare down her throat and check out her tonsils. I'm on my second Yamaha receiver with these. I didn't hear anything I liked better in the audio store when I needed to replace the old one. I found the acoustic guitar passages to be too harsh and metallic with at least one of the other receivers (I don't recall the brand) and it totally missed the warm resonance of the guitar body. I use Dire Straits "Private Investigations" from their "Love Over Gold" album as my reference for that - WONDERFULLY recorded guitar.
I loved my lil klipsch 4.1 speakers back in the day. Now Iv got 2 pairs of Klipsch rf-82 to make my 7.1 and i love them!!!!!
I used to be one of these suckers thinking nothing was better than Bose until I built a theater room but didn't have enough money to buy another LifeStyle 650 as it was 4k so I bought a Klipsch R-820F 7.1 system for 2500 and was blown away by the quality, the range of the sound and the room shaking bass I was getting.
Needless to say I gave the Lifestyle to my daughter when I saved up some money and replaced it with another Klipsch R-820F 7.1 system in my living room.
I love how ALL these audio experts talk down the Bose Wave radio but, not ONE can tell you of a better sounding radio of the same size.
If size is the most important factor to you in a sound system, then go with Bose, sure. Their engineering style allows them to put more sound in to a smaller package. However, you can't achieve that with out a cost. The cost is bass, treble and price compared to the competition. For anyone for whom audio quality is the most important factor, that trade off just isn't close to worth it.
Pfft a JBL Flip sounds better than that pos.
Bose Wave has outstanding sound
@@Thinwhiteduke1185My uncle got my 80yo grandmother a Bose wave radio years ago, was one of the best gifts ever because it was easy for her to use and fit snugly on a center counter. Even I was impressed by the 3D sound it radiated even if it makes distortion geeks cringe.
what do you think about klipsch 5.1 speakers(one thats comes in the amazon)
Hey guys, love your channel! This episode came out great :) I have BOSE in my Mazda 6 and I can tell how muddy they sound...as compared to Bang and Olufsen which of course comes with the respective price :)
Bang and Olufsen = Lifestyle crap too!
@@lucasrem Compared to what? BOSE? Please..
Great and entertaining video! Something which I think is significant is that most Bose owners I know are very happy with the gear and keep it for a long time. Audiophiles I know who like boutique gear seem to buy new stuff on an almost ongoing basis and their gear rarely seems to enjoy more than a short honeymoon period. One thing that does make me laugh is people who will try and tell me that spending several hundred dollars on a power chord or per foot of speaker cable claiming that Bose is overpriced. I mean, really?
I work at a music store and can absolutely verify that different grades of cables exist for a reason.
You get what you pay for. You buy an inexpensive cable, it's wrapped using thinner shielding, which will allow more electricity to escape, which = noisy output (a bit of white noise will constantly output from the speaker even with no music.)
Studio-grade cables (The opposite extreme) are wrapped so well they are *virtually noiseless*, though they get pricey. Mogami, for example, (One of the best on the market right now) usually charges about $75 for a 15ft.
Now noiseless cable REALLY matters if you are recording through it, since you don't want that white noise to show up in your recording. It doesn't really matter if you are just listening to music, But if you're an audiophile and you care about top quality, you will still prefer noiseless cables.
I will also freely admit cables are easy moneymakers for retailers as they are sold at high margin. But this is to make up for the fact that most actual instruments and audio gear are sold at VERY LOW margin. (That's why you'll never see more than 15-20% off)
Some brands (like *ahem* BOSE) are even "hard-minned." Meaning they NEVER discount their products, ever. These are usually just the most snobbish brands.
Usually for me, Bose is there to help me sell more JBL, EV and QSC speakers (Lol) though even some of my coworkers feel different. (I'm a music producer who has worked in both studio and live sound venues, so I'm definitely more toward the "audiophile" end of the spectrum.) Of course it depends on the customer too, like the guys in the video mentioned.
*Also, if I'm bundling a bunch of stuff for a customer, it's often very easy to discount or throw in a cable.*
Power cables don't really matter (except for the type) but audio-grade power conditioners are superior to ordinary power strips for audiophiles or studio musicians/producers.
Furman power conditioners, for example, include all sorts of noise and ground-hum reducing features, as sometimes these come through your speakers for no reason other than something electrical that can't be helped.
They also provide much higher spike protection than a power strip from Meijer, of course. 😉
I just also want to mention that, as a producer and audiophile, I like good quality speakers. But I don't spend a lot of time agonizing over gear. Some people do (we say they have GAS; Gear Acquisition Syndrome), but these are usually mediocre professionals who are good enough players to get regular gigs, but not smart enough to really understand deeper levels of things, so they often blame the gear for problems that really have to do with their skill or talent level.
I just spend some time doing research on the best product for a price range I can manage, And then I pull the trigger when I'm good and ready. I haven't felt a need to change my speakers often, but that's also probably due to the fact that I have pretty well-tuned ears.
I'm (by plenty of other people's accounts) very good at *mixing* music, as I know what to pay attention to in both live and studio settings and make adjustments using proper tools.
So I also know what to listen for in a good speaker. I also know how to compensate for a mediocre speaker. In either case, I can manage. 😁
But I'm lucky compared to most ppl for sure.
Bose is also overpriced.
You can buy a Bose L1 Pro or a JBL PRX ONE for the same price. (Actually, I take that back. The Pro16 is $1900 while the PRX ONE is $1700 rn)
But the L1 Pro has a smaller frequency response range, has only 3 input channels (although you can get more by adding a Bose ToneMatch mixer, which will set you back another $700-1,000) 2-band EQ for each channel, and a boomy overcompensating subwoofer.
The PRX ONE has SIX input channels, INTEGRATED Lexicon/DriveRack effects, PARAMETRIC EQ for each channel (controlled from the phone app) AND a naturally wider frequency range.
One is optimal for professional use, and the other is a Bose. Plus, since Bose is hard-minned and JBL isn't, you might score a deal on the JBL.
The Bose has much fewer knobs and frills though, which is less intimidating for someone who wants that kind of space-saving speaker without crazy amounts of features they won't use. It's just still more $ for less, which is the definition of "overpriced." Lol
Hi guys. Thanks for sharing an idea about the Bose. “I tried to get out but...” that was hilarious.
6:13 ... The Sony Bravo TV line has a special setting for use in retail stores that enhance the picture for display in stores. There is a "normal" setting for use in the home.
...you mean Johnny Bravo!...
Beats is the Bose of headphones
Yep. Agree
I think beats is worse... I like my Bose ear buds. Bought them used for 25 bucks and they are amazing for what I use them for. Bought a new pair of beats... Uncomfortable and the sound wasn't as good either.
99.9999999% BASSSSSS!!!!!!
Of the plastic sounding variety at that
I think Bose at least tries to do something that may sound OK on on some sound spectrum. Beats is just a piece of Crap. Beats could be better than the free airplane headphones, and may be not all of them. I am sorry, but whenever I see a person wearing beats, I cannot help thinking "he was ripped-off, knows nothing of audio and..."
@@cesaralfredom Yes, I most definitely agree with you. Bose for example has some decent headphones. Beats is just marketing BS.
I remember when the 901's came out. I was in the service at the time and my roomate got a pair. I already had a pair of AR 3a speakers and a Marantz amp. I didn't get the 901 speakers because they would not work properly without their own EQ receiver and the receiver had no option to drive the 901s and a pair of conventional speakers. Later in physics, I learned why speakers should not be full range at higher volumes with a reasonable amount of bass. The cone movement with bass provides Doppler shift of the higher frequencies. Microphones do not have this issue as the microphone diaphragm does not move large distances. A single full range driver can only sound proper with low volume levels to keep Doppler shift low. Found the stereo image from Bose is reflected for a room filling sound, but poor stereo imaging and full of resonances peaks and valleys in response. This is fine for room filling background music and this is their target audience. Those with room sound treatments and want good stereo images should look elsewhere.
I went to a CES show one year and while checking the exhibits in the hotel rooms, heard a grand piano in a room. Went in to see and there was a grand piano at the other end of the room, but nobody was playing it. A very good pair of 3 way acoustic suspension speakers were on the floor beside the piano. Very few speakers can pass themselves off as a live grand piano. Bose never has been able to do this. Most stereos sound like stereos or PA systems, not a live acoustic performance. The recording was produced earlier in the day on a DAT recorder on that piano.
Thank you..don't mind at all your honesty..
May I ask you made three brands referrals, not models, that generally surpass Bose, for less money?
There is some hype on the S1 pro..i dont mind going a little bigger, If I need to..
( my needs are for pre-recorded music and live music )
I enjoy the sound of music and movies through my Concerta F36 floor standers with matching surrounds, emotiva amps and a Marantz processor; but I’m looking to buy another AV processor that would be a good fit for my F36’s and support a 7.1 setup. Do you have any suggestions in the $2000 to $3000 price range?
Pause video don’t bother watching and scroll down for some in-depth knowledge on audio.
@Boston My Home Town . Just picked up an acoustimass 10 with the rectangular speakers, plus tall two stands, 9.5/10 condition, two years old. $350. Such a sweet sound! Shit yeah!
A good friend of mine gave me his entire stereo system that he bought when he came back from Vietnam. A pair of Bose 901's & 301's, Bose amp and preamp and several other components including equalizer, turntable, tuner plus a few other odds and ends. Granted the specs are not comparable to modern speaker specs but they still sound pretty decent. On the other hand, whenever I purchase audio equipment I start with the specs and work my way to a selection as I go.
I disregard specs and output and try to come as close to 'LIVE' as possible. specs don't mean as much as a good ear.
@@trallfraz In the end how it sounds to your personal ear is all that matters.
I start with my ears
I almost bought the Bose acoustimass 10 because I want a simple wireless surround system. If bose is as bad, what should I be looking for when shopping for a wireless surround system?
Any advice on the nakamichi sound bar systems like the new dragon system?
I'm shocked at how concise this presentation is. Amazing.
Sarcasm level: infinity. I love it. :)
I still have my JBL TLX 500 I bought about 18 years ago and I still love them. Since it's an old model, I'll add for clarity that it's a pair of 175 W 3-way speakers.
I started with BOSE Companion 2.0 speakers with my laptop as a school student - got them free after winning a contest. I was pretty stoked with the quality at the time for such small speakers. Now 10+ years later - I still have 'em and they still work, though the missis uses them with her laptop. I've since upgraded to an Edifier S730D 2.1 system (that subwoofer is amazing!), then a pair of PreSonus Eris E8 studio monitors with a PreSonus Temblor T10 studio subwoofer. My home cinema/vinyl setup is currently a pair of Cambridge Audio SX60s with a Denon AVR, but I'll upgrade to something better as the time goes on. Headphones of choice - the ever-popular Audio Technica ATH-M50x :)
Great video!! learned something. thanks!
This video has been hanging around in my recommendations for weeks now, like a shady drug dealer at the school gate trying to sell me cocaine that's mixed with baby formula. Kind of like Bose themselves. Is that ironic?
Its interesting how audiophilia refers to interest in wave reproduction quality, but doesnt necessarily mean a person has an affinity or interest for discerning the original waveform
Conversely, a person who has a good ability to discern sound waveform ie a musician, isnt necessarily an audiophile.
My S.O. is a blind musician and has perfect pitch. She can hear details in songs that I can't. She also loves tube amps. She's always been happy with Bose, but has recently gotten into high-end headphones.
I've always been a JBL or Yamaha guy. Any problem with those?
The problem with this debate is that most people don't have access to a $50k system that is perfectly set up in a room designed for listening. The downside of having a listening experience as such, is that everything else will sound like crap afterwards.
I designed, sold, and installed for Magnolia for 9 years. When people came in for Bose or asked about them I always showed them the Definitive Technologies Promonitor 700 set. It was $700 and mopped the floor with the Bose Lifestyle systems. In my first years with the company, we had a Bose system in the same demo room with the Def Tech system, and I don't recall a single person who thought the Bose sounded remotely comparable. By the time we got a decent AVR and TV they were finally matching the price of some of the Bose systems we carried. Soon after, we were required to remove them from the Magnolias (Home Theater box stores and Design Centers) and they became Best Buy products only. It felt like a victory in many ways to me at the time because I was able to still use the story when showing people other speakers to illustrate the point.
For me listening to them I never felt immersed in the content. It always seemed like it was trying too hard to impress me while not giving me any substance. I preferred selling systems that would blend with the room which in many cases is a proper system. But I am not their target. They in many ways like Apple, are good at marketing and putting out solid products, but in reality are several years/product generations behind everyone else, and that is mostly by design.
My cousin had a pair of 901's back in the early 80's. He turned on his stereo and I fell in love. In 1986 I was in Germany doing my tour of duty in the Army and I saw a pair of 301's at the PX, and they were in my price range. I bought a AMP that ran continuous at 75 watts and maxed out at 125, the same as my 301's. I took it back to the barracks and set it up. One of my friends helped me set the whole thing up. We cranked it up and it was amazing. One of the guys from down the hall came in to see where all that sound was coming from and about crapped himself. He had spent several thousands of dollars on a massive Pioneer system with two sets of speakers with 15" woofers and didn't sound half as good as mine. I still have those speakers today, they are Series ii. I also now have a set of Series V and I run them together. They sound pretty good but I wanted a little more bass so I just bought a Monoprice 12" sub for $93.00, it will be here on Friday. I am running this all on a Denon AVR-S910W Receiver. I have had chances to buy higher quality speakers, but couldn't do it.
The alarm clock radio you were thinking of wasn't Boston Acoustics. It was Cambridge Soundworks ... probably one of the models by Henry Kloss.
Glad that this is Not a Clickbait Video. On the Contrary: It Delivers! Well Fundamented and Serious Video. This Information makes you Smarter when buying this Type of Products. !Thanks!
Going to a Bose store years ago when I was a teen and hearing the demo got me interested in home theater, but I could not afford their speakers so I tried stacking two sets of floor standing speakers on top of each other to make my own multi directional sound, hahaha!
Love how this video is shot today but seems like it was done in the 80s of 90s
Audio Fun it comes off really genuine. I liked it, no bs.
@@alexk1682 Yee I love their videos, mine wasn't meant as an insult :) ps I. Love the 80s and 90s
Late 60’s according to William Shatner and Lenard Nimoy.
True
Audio Fun and who’s the third guy?
I kind of think soundbar manufacturers are taking the same playbook from Bose and running with it. They are taking maybe $100 worth of parts (ie Samsung) and selling them retail for $2k, using paper cones,dsp wizardry and cheap components. In your opinion would a active 2-speaker system from Klipsch, Edifier or Swan provide more ear candy for mixed 75% tv/movie, 25% music scenario than a Samsung q990 soundbar when paired with a 65 tv...given low to moderate volumes in a small room? I had the energy system before and loved the separation and sparkle on the highs on them. Any active systems for ease of setup that you would recommend that would be equivalent of sound profile with $1k or less budget?
After doing some research, I'm steering away from Bose 301-V. Im new to speaker so please suggest me a good speakers (not tower) that are capable of producing good sound and do Karaoke. Budget is $300-$400. Thanks
It always tickles me when audio guys tell people who like something, that they don't know anything and they're stupid for liking it.
There trying to get people the best for the there money. With bose, your really paying for the research of making crap speakers sound good.
Bose are fine if you are ok compromising sound quality for the convenience of compact size and brand name recognition. A lot of people don't care so long as it has some punch and detail. Especially today when they are used to everything being compressed through bluetooth and/or in ear headphones. I'm not much different, I stuck with stereo to avoid the clutter and have a couple of Marshall speakers hooked up to my computer via a presonus interface to split the channels. Since I got tired of the narrow soundstage of the drivers being too close together to give much stereo separation.
I just stumbled into this 5/1/21. Close to twenty years ago when I'd moved and left the 901s and everything else behiind, my 20-something kid had come down to help me pick out a new 5.1 system to do double duty for hifi audio and video. We'd first gone to a Bose store and listened to whatever it was, then found not far from my house an independent shop. Dedicated high end stereo room, a few surround rooms, and.a pile of stuff I'd never heard of before. We told the owner what we were up to and where we'd been. He smiled and shook his head sadly and sez "C'mere, stick your heads in here." We were dumbstruck. Went home that day long ago with a 5.1 and a receiver for less that what I would have spent at Bose that started me on my addicition. Now, old and two decades later, I've topped out at around $12-13k in a system including vinyl that is just heaven.
great video. more guests in the future
7:21 "ten thousand kilohertz" = ten million hertz #metricsarehard
Most of the time people like the fact that it takes up less space rather than concentrate on the sound from Audiophile....
About 20 years Bose started with the surround sound and then 5.1....
I had the the 901s, 701s version ll, 401s, 301s, AM-5s, AM-7s, AM-10s and the AM-15s before switching to Klipsch in 2011...
I have a couple of Bose sound bars that I have not been able to get working properly with the optical cable and included remote. Also Spectrum cable TV remote cannot be taught to adjust volume of Bose sound bars need to use Bose remote to adjust volume. Cannot control volume of sound bars with Fire Stick remote on TV that has no RCA sound output connections, earphone, or optical output. I'm suffering from digital gadget overload. Bose AV series sound bars don't have HDMI ARC, old TV's don't have optical output or HDMI or earphone output. Adapters don't work
Considering that my home stereo system in the 1980's was based on a Sansui 881 with 6 speakers of various origins, including a couple of old car speakers, I am probably watching the wrong channel. :)
I'm also a "72 model and had the same kind of system at that time My subs were Kicker 10's in a truck box powered by a 300 watts off brand amp hooked to a motorcycle battery and portable battery charger :)
My dad was over visiting and I had a Klipsch Synergy system I got from Best Buy and had it for 10 years ....he saw it and said “Oh, it’s not bose.” For the week he was visiting he was listening to the speakers. About a year later we were talking on the phone and he said “ Your speaker’s sound really really good, as good as Bose.” Thought that was a great compliment. Now I have upgraded to the RF-7 IIs which is a huge upgrade, I wonder if he would say they are better than Bose lol
I would have been insulted.
I get the same reaction to my motorcycle, "Oh, it's not a Harley." No it's not, Cletus - no it's not.
@@LiveMusicOntario Harley has more to it's credit than Bose. Unless the Harley came equipped with a Bose stereo.
Replacing the Bose system in a Corvette is a PITA without gutting the whole system. Pretty much anything sounds better though and worth the time.
What do you think of teufel speakers ?
I always enjoy your kinds words of HK. I am from San Fernando Valley and have done extensive Contracting work at their Place on Balboa in Northridge. So needless to say all my home audio is HK, JBL and Infinity. Have seen their R&D, been in their sound chambers (with door closed) and I am sold on this company. Patiently waiting now for Lexicon RV6 ordered today, most money I have ever spent on a Stereo Receiver.
I run KEF Q Series full surround speakers, with a REL subwoofer
Brian Roberts I loved my little 8” REL T3 until the amp took a dump though recently. Had it paired with some B&W 600 series bookshelf powered by a Yamaha A-S700 amp. Amazing sound for a small package even in a large open floor plan room.
My pair of KEFs bookshelf speakers are my favourite speakers.
Bose is a great marketing company. They do appeal to a desire for better sound so they do share a value with audioholics. Their success draws scrutiny and perhaps some resentment but that should be expected. I saw a survey that showed that the Bose sound didn't fare well with listeners in long sessions . It seems they're geared to sounding great in the store but that same sound at home becomes irritating over time. That being said I bought a pair of their headphones for my wife to use in the gym and for traveling because of the noise canceling and weight. So I agree with you and would suggest we try to use Bose's great marketing to educate people into better sound at a better value.
As audioholics, what would you guys recommend me for a pair of computer speakers?
4:13 my dad has an earlier version of these, 3.1 channel config but the center speaker still looked the same as the sides, they are pretty decent even now although they are connected to one hell of a good amp/dac combo interface, but I totally agree that a larger size will of course sound better and that they have only gone downhill since.
Ok, ok...........I see there are some Klipsch fans here too....(more on this down the paragraph) I will tell you, when we bought our new home 12 years ago, I wanted to have something that left the livingroom UNCLUTTERED by speakers and a rack of components, just a nice old fashioned place to have guests, enjoy our dinners and sit and chat in the living space. The Bose Wave System was perfect!, you hardly see where it is and yet, set on a corner shelf, it makes a rather big sound when needed. Fit our needs SO well, that I bought a second one for the kitchen which I just listened to THIS video through as it is hooked to my laptop. Jazz and Classical recordings usually heard while cooking and dining...
The reason I wanted to add comment here is....... These little radios sound decent enough for what they do, and that is, take up a small space and have a pretty full sound for their size.
With that all said, I also have two media rooms (I will mention only on of them). One with a beautiful pair of Klipshorns powered by a pair of restored Dynaco Mark 3's and a PAS-2 preamp, all dating to the mid 60ies in a large space, so I have good kit, but no, I don't hate Bose.. A buddy of mine has his own airplane with a pair of Bose AVIATION headphones and they are wonderful for what they do as well....Sorry, I can't hate on Bose.....
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Bose targets mainstream people with convenience and marketing. Simple as that. That's the classic formula for success.
And CONVENIENCE definitely has VALUE (to most people). So if people are PAYING the high price, it inherently is WORTH that price. Also, Bose doesn't advertise "the best".... they only advertise "better".... and that's true compared to most audio sources out there in Gadgetland.
A lot of doctors and dentists buy them to put in their waiting rooms. They have the money to spend and a superficial understanding of quality sound.
I took my own cds to audition speakers 25 years ago. The Bose acoustimass system was in the list. Highs were crispy and lows were boomy... but the lacked in the mid range area. I landed on Phase Technology 9T’s and they are still running in my media room to this day.
I was just looking for a small speaker for my room. Bluetooth speakers are cool bc o can easily pair cellphone or notebook.
And then, it seems like Bose have the best ones under 100 and under 200 dollars, in regard to sound quality.
So, I would like to ask, which one should give me a better sound quality in the same price range?
Honest question.
Ask you photography friends to help you with the lighting.
wow, 20 minutes of you guys saying absolutely nothing, and did not even answer the question you put in the title....
You nailed it at the end when you said - "Where is this video going?"
You have to either have ADD or just not be very bright to not pick up on the arguments in this video and how perception trumps quality for the brand in question.
That's exactly what I thought these dumbasses don't know shit all they did is talk bad about Bose the whole time and didn't say what was better cuz they know Bose is good shit they just can't afford it
@@madscientist6869 congratulations, you win the Darwin of the Year Award.
@@madscientist6869 If you know what they were saying, they're not dumbasses. And you would think people listening to "Audioholics" would know about audio. They said it: we (audiophiles) hate Bose mostly because of the value. But also because so many non-audiophiles think Bose is the greatest ever because of marketing, not because they've actually heard Bose against other speakers for the same price. And I have a 65" LG OLED and Def Tech 7.2.2 Dolby Atmos Surround Sound System that costs way more than a Bose system, just in case you were going to claim I can't afford it.
@@seriosmusic okay what do you recommend I replace my piece of shit Boston Acoustic Tower speakers that I wasted $500 each on that a pair of $300 Bose will sound better than
I have the AM-5 Series 1 since 37 years, so not yet the one with the plasticky bass tube in this video. By then, one of the first things I did was opening both the bass module and the cubes. Especially looking inside the bass module made me impressed about the sophisticated make. The speakers are mounted onto a diagonally aligned baffle board so you get 2 acoustic housings inside one. Now in order to achieve an intense bass output, the tubes have different lengths to accommodate the physics and achieve kind of a push-pull speaker system. I guess the later series have a much cheaper and hence, more primitive architecture.
It requires substantial knowledge on the user side, in order to place all items correctly. First of all, the bass module has to face a wall or corner with the tube holes pointing towards. For my 32 square metres living room the best configuration I managed was placing the bass module at a corner with a distance of about 200 mm for the tube holes, and the side facing the wall at 150 mm. The cubes are hung from the ceiling at around 300 mm, with a distance of around 1,50 m from the walls and 5 m between each other. The cubes are set to Reflecting, while the upper ones face to the closer walls and the lower one to the mid of the room, twisted by around a 90 degrees angle.
Recently I connected them to a 2x 70 Watts RMS tube amp, and since then I enjoy listening to them again for hours. I like their sound very much, while I admit that the system lacks mids which cannot be corrected in any way because of the nature of this system (subwoofer plus tiny twiddler speakers in plastic housings) . Some more mids and a more precise but less bass can be achieved by positioning the bass module farther from the wall. That being said, your ears adapt to all this very soon, and then this system is a really great deal.
I'm listening to a Bose Wave Radio right now while watching this vid. We it purchased for my father-in-law so he could listen to Paul Harvey along with talk shows. We have it since inherited it from him due to his hearing being so poor. It now sits proudly in our kitchen.
I use to outsell Bose systems because I used the secret that made Bose sound good in the first place... The demo CD.
The Demo CD was crafted to accent all the sounds so if I played the CD on any custom setup it would sound even better because the sound harmonics were better even on a cheap system.
Gerald Alpine Perry well thank you for sharing that so look out for stuff like that.
so you helped customers buy better equipment than bose.. using bose cheating tactics... i give you a round of applause, sir!!
How many of those cheap systems could play to 120dB all night like adequately powered 901s? Yes, yes, I know it's not just about high SPLs. But it definitely helps.
@@revokdaryl1 a lot I'm sure. That's more in the amp than the speaker
They may call themselves audiophiles, but this recording sucks. That tells you all you need to know.
Umm, TH-cam compression...
Dude, you are running down Gene! You just blew any chance of respect from any subscriber. Or do you have a hard-on for Bose, well any respect is blown already so no big deal I guess?
Bingo
Compression? HAHAHAHAHA! Good one. As for respect, I don’t come here for that; I’ll leave that one for the precious fan boys. Stay mad, “Audiophiles”! 😂
Bryan Ladd Productions ummm no.
Years ago I visited a Circuit City and this young couple were listening to the Bose Acoustimass system in awe. I approached them, and suggested they have the sales rep switch to the Polk satellite system, and to play Pink Floyd Time in a A/B comparison. They could no believe the difference in the extended frequencies. The bells, and chimes had a nice, airy, natural sound, and the bass had good definition, with good vibrato you could hear, and feel. They were very grateful, and even offered to by me lunch. True story...
I have purchased the bose tv speaker because it was compact for my gaming desktop and it has good bass for it's size without a subwoofer. I did also purchased the bass module 500 because well, credit lol but It's nice to have an option to add a sub to the tv speaker. I have the subwoofer and the tv speaker in the room but when I want to connect it to my gaming desktop it's easy to move the tv speaker because it's more portable than other soundbars I researched.
I can't tell you how many times I laughed during this video. Loved it Gene. LOL. BOSE has done a KILLER job at marketing. I've always considered them as Marketing Genius. I too can relate to selling BOSE when I worked at Circuit City back in the day. Our Polk Audio Satellite System blew the BOSE system away but we still sold a ton of BOSE.
I own quite a bit of Klipsch's higher end models (LaScalas, RF7 II, RF7 III) and absolutely love their sound but realize many audioholics do not consider Klipsch speakers as audioholic quality. Hmmmm...might make for an interesting collab discussion.
Yes Klipsch is a very popular brand for sure and their products range in quality but they are ALL a step up from the B word IMO ;)
Yeah I’m not fond of the Klipsch “New Reference” line that they sell at Best Buy. I feel it gives a bad name to their much higher end RF7 Series.
@@falkenlaser and with all that said, Klipsch sells very well. They are never shy to participate in a speaker shootout because most folks that run them, don't properly level match and in a quick A/B the speaker that is louder and bassier and brighter will usually win.
You are another idiot doesn't know what is good quality sound. Can your Klipsch speakers creates larger than life soundstage. Ask Klipsch to make small omnijewel speakers like Bose and see whether they can sound better than Bose. It's easy to condemn people's products. Bose has never condemn others companies products. Shame on you Youthman. 😈😈😈😈😈
Naushad Ali You haven’t heard “larger than life” sound until you hear a pair of Klipsch La Scalas powered by a moderate 100 watt/channel amp. Listen to a drum solo by Neil Peart of Rush and your chest will begin to hurt from the bass.
As for Klipsch making speakers like Bose’s Omnijewels, Klipsch already makes the Reference Theater Pack that consists of small speakers similar in size to Bose’s, and would sound better or at the minimum just as good as a Bose Acoustimass 10, and it’s only $600.
And for the price of Bose’s $4000 Lifestyle 650, you could get a small satellite speaker system consisting of:
5 Focal Dôme Flax speakers
1 JL Audio d110 Dominion subwoofer
A Yamaha RX-A780 A/V receiver
....which would mop the floor with the Bose system.
I love my Bose acoustimass 5 series V..so great until now..
I have a pair of 1968 pioneer speakers and they sound so good they have a 3 way crossover with one woofer and 4 tweezers with different frequency ranges
how about the Bose 700s and Bass Module? can they review them?
I'm partial to Adcom, Rotel, and B&W for the analog portion of a system.
I've got two Adcom GFA 555s Driving tweaked Polk RTA 12Cs. I had a Counterpoint SA5.1 preamp with Amperex 6DJ8s but it developed a weird buzz that even the designer, Michael Elliot, couldn't run down, so I sold it and got a GFP for the interim... until I can afford to build a Nelson Pass design.
I don't think I've ever even heard Bose. My intro to "High End" was circa 1973 or 74 when my brother put together a system based on Sansui gear he bought in Hong Kong whilst on R&R. Linn LP12, Altec Voice of the Theater with two 30" Electrovoice (sub)woofers added in. The turntable, reel to reel and electronics were in a small library off the LR. He had a Rogers drum kit with two floor toms, hi-hat, 18" crash, 20" ride, 24" ride, and a sizzle. Crank up Allman Bros "Whipping Post" and I could hardly hear myself on the drums.
I've been saying this since the 70s, thought I was the only one! Bose is much the same as the Apple brand, mostly "salesmanship" (hype). I found that a lot of brand name speaker systems are over priced junk. The first time I saw and heard a set of 901s, I cracked up when I saw all those paper cone drivers and I was not surprised to hear that the bass reproduction was practically non-existent. After blowing up several sets of speakers with this Yamaha amp that I used to have, I finally just built my own speakers. Ironically, I borrowed the band pass tower design from a Bose ad that I saw in Stereo Review magazine. I sent off for the sales brochure, and used their cutaway drawing to produce a very similar design with some modifications to suit me. I built the enclosures to be very dense with a lot of damping, hand picked all the drivers made from high quality materials and those speakers have been blasting out rock since about 1992. I actually never finished those speakers. I was planning to test run them before putting some oak veneer, or even another 3/4" of oak to make them even thicker walled, but when I got them set up and tested them, I just laid back and enjoyed the music all night, never did get them covered with anything, but they still sound great! 😃
Very good, enlightening video! One of the main reasons why that speaker manufacturer is so popular, and (in italics) known for very good sounding audio is mostly because of marketing, and a heap of advertising! Yes, I fully understand that I am pointing out something that is obvious, but that is the sort of world hi fi revolves around, as with most things in that are heavily advertised. Most people get influenced be what is logical, and scientific, but some of us may have forgotten what we learned, and became aware of in high school science; up to the senior years. Therefore, we become duped into believing what appears, or sounds to be true, and correct! Great lecture, and thank you.
Looking forward to your next argument, oh i mean review :D can you do more about earphones, one for best under 100 bucks and one for best under 500?
Monitor Audio is my preferred brand for speakers.
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Yes they are indeed much better than Bose