3:24 Rob and Fab met in Munich, according to the 2023 Paramount+ Milli Vanilli biopic. This video was researched and made before the biopic was released, and there was conflicting information about where Rob and Fab met. At the time, the most legitimate sources said it was Los Angeles. Here are some sources claiming they met in Los Angeles: www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-07-23-ca-445-story.html www.nytimes.com/1998/04/07/arts/robert-pilatus-32-performer-in-disgraced-band-milli-vanilli.html www.cbc.ca/music/read/girl-you-know-it-s-true-the-rise-and-fall-of-milli-vanilli-25-years-later-1.5007687
Thank your for the great work putting all the information together. I loved it! I cried hearing Fab singing that song in the loving memory of Rob 😢 Thank you Park Rovers! #MilliVanilliForever
Fab is such an amazing human. I recommend watching that entire video from The Moth if you haven't already. I hope to see him perform someday. Thank you for commenting - this is my favorite video I've created, so it means a lot to me that you loved it! -Andrew th-cam.com/video/u-MeUmpLH-s/w-d-xo.html
I feel bad for them! They were literally doing everything they were asked to do, and needed the money. I would totally lip sync for money! And you know it's true, you would too! 😂
Clive Owen knew from the very beginning and nobody uttered a word. That’s because he had a lot of power in his back pocket. Even the guy who arranged the contracts got away unscathed. Only the lip syncing boys got all the damage, hence the reason why Rob Pilatus turned to drugs and paid the ultimate price.
Thank you for video. I was oblivious of all the details at the time. I just knew they lip synced and I didn’t care much about the songs I heard on the radio. Didn’t know how they got swept away in all of this. It’s kind of sad.
You’re welcome! To be honest, I didn’t know all of the details either when I recorded the intro from Lake Compounce. It’s definitely a sad story, but I like that Fab has turned it into a positive.
Hello guys! It breaks my heart how people took it on these two sweet guys. Frank Farian should be ashamed for what he did, he destroyed their music careers, their dreams and killed Rob. I’m just happy that Fab keeps trying and he’s been very successful, he deserves it. He is a great man. RIP Rob, we miss you 🌹
Happy anniversary to the craziness of Milli Vanilli scandal! I was there!! The concert was amazing outside of that incident. I think I still have the Club MTV Tour shirt sealed in a box somewhere.
I'm not an expert on this, but from my research, backing tracks and lip-syncing have been common for many years (see this article: theconversation.com/playing-it-safe-a-brief-history-of-lip-syncing-70888). The common usage of backing tracks is likely why the Lake Compounce incident didn't immediately expose Rob and Fab as not singing on the backing tracks or the recorded tracks.
It had been very common for decades prior to '89, and is still common. Watch clips from performances as far back as the '50s. In many cases (but not always) it was incredibly obvious they were lip synching. Lip synching was common knowledge ("Their guitars aren't even plugged in!") by the '70s, which resulted in certain TV shows in the '70s such as Don Kirshner's Rock Concert and The Midnight Special using as a hook the fact their acts were live, no lip synching. Lip synching was so common and assumed that the '89 Milli Vanilli incident was not really a big deal at first. Lip synching to your own studio recording was one thing, however. Being a total fraud from the ground up was another issue entirely, but the fraud accusations didn't become public until months after the '89 incident. Even now, the general public is very naïve about how much fakery and manipulation there is in the music industry.
I found conflicting info on that in my research. I noticed that first on Wikipedia, but I couldn't find a legitimate source to back that up. I found an LA Times article that said they met in Los Angeles, so I went with that. www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-07-23-ca-445-story.html
I'm not convinced they met in Munich because a few journalists wrote articles stating Los Angeles. The LA Times article was where I first saw that, but then it was repeated by the NY Times and CBC 🤷🏻♂. I'm excited about the new biopic! www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-07-23-ca-445-story.html www.nytimes.com/1998/04/07/arts/robert-pilatus-32-performer-in-disgraced-band-milli-vanilli.html www.cbc.ca/music/read/girl-you-know-it-s-true-the-rise-and-fall-of-milli-vanilli-25-years-later-1.5007687
Im from Bristol, Ct. Lake Compounce doesn't have concerts like this anymore! I still cant believe this happened to them at Lake Compounce, LC is a bore for non-ride goers. I so wish I was there that day, even though I was a toddler. Lol. I still love Milli Vanilli anyway!
Did you check out the 2023 summer concert series on the lake? I wonder if they’re going to bring that back again in 2024. I’d also like to see more for non-thrill seekers! -Andrew
Agreed, lip syncing is very common! The issue here was that they didn’t sing on their record. But they were bamboozled by their producer, which I hope I explained well in this video (I tried, at least 😆).
I guess if you’re lip syncing to songs that you actually physically recorded yourself it wouldn’t be so bad but if you’re down right lip syncing to someone else’s hard earned work it’s totally missed up and wrong.. isn’t that called stealing?
There's conflicting information about whether it was Munich, Paris, or Los Angeles. When I made this video, I did a lot of research and found a series of articles from more legitimate sources that all stated Los Angeles. Of course, the Paramount+ Milli Vanilli biopic came out last year, and Fab said it was Munich. If I did the video over again, I'd probably just say it's one of the three cities prior to 1984 😆 -Andrew If you're interested, here are the sources I found that said Los Angeles: www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-07-23-ca-445-story.html www.nytimes.com/1998/04/07/arts/robert-pilatus-32-performer-in-disgraced-band-milli-vanilli.html www.cbc.ca/music/read/girl-you-know-it-s-true-the-rise-and-fall-of-milli-vanilli-25-years-later-1.5007687
The difference is, is that people like Britney Spears lip sync to her own voice, and understandably so, with the way she moves on stage. These guys lip synced to another person's voice entirely.
Evil as industries, it sounds like his producer killed him to me. Because they said he found him and rob already wanted nothing to do with him no more.
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3:24 Rob and Fab met in Munich, according to the 2023 Paramount+ Milli Vanilli biopic.
This video was researched and made before the biopic was released, and there was conflicting information about where Rob and Fab met. At the time, the most legitimate sources said it was Los Angeles.
Here are some sources claiming they met in Los Angeles:
www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-07-23-ca-445-story.html
www.nytimes.com/1998/04/07/arts/robert-pilatus-32-performer-in-disgraced-band-milli-vanilli.html
www.cbc.ca/music/read/girl-you-know-it-s-true-the-rise-and-fall-of-milli-vanilli-25-years-later-1.5007687
Thank your for the great work putting all the information together. I loved it!
I cried hearing Fab singing that song in the loving memory of Rob 😢
Thank you Park Rovers!
#MilliVanilliForever
Fab is such an amazing human. I recommend watching that entire video from The Moth if you haven't already. I hope to see him perform someday. Thank you for commenting - this is my favorite video I've created, so it means a lot to me that you loved it! -Andrew th-cam.com/video/u-MeUmpLH-s/w-d-xo.html
Hiii!! @@ParkRovers I will watch it.
Thank you!! 😊
I feel bad for them! They were literally doing everything they were asked to do, and needed the money. I would totally lip sync for money! And you know it's true, you would too! 😂
Clive Owen knew from the very beginning and nobody uttered a word. That’s because he had a lot of power in his back pocket. Even the guy who arranged the contracts got away unscathed. Only the lip syncing boys got all the damage, hence the reason why Rob Pilatus turned to drugs and paid the ultimate price.
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Thank you for video. I was oblivious of all the details at the time. I just knew they lip synced and I didn’t care much about the songs I heard on the radio. Didn’t know how they got swept away in all of this. It’s kind of sad.
You’re welcome! To be honest, I didn’t know all of the details either when I recorded the intro from Lake Compounce. It’s definitely a sad story, but I like that Fab has turned it into a positive.
Hello guys!
It breaks my heart how people took it on these two sweet guys.
Frank Farian should be ashamed for what he did, he destroyed their music careers, their dreams and killed Rob.
I’m just happy that Fab keeps trying and he’s been very successful, he deserves it. He is a great man.
RIP Rob, we miss you 🌹
Love you on your comment @@supersimple-caadri
Happy anniversary to the craziness of Milli Vanilli scandal! I was there!! The concert was amazing outside of that incident. I think I still have the Club MTV Tour shirt sealed in a box somewhere.
Wow, you should find that shirt and put it in a T-shirt frame!
Ohhh btw, I looooved the gum commercial, it’s so funny, they are so cute 😍
Thank you for the video!
Thank you! The gum commercial is so good - I had to include it 😊 -Andrew
Thank you @@ParkRovers for the great work!! 😊
So, I guess it wasn't common to sing over recorded songs back then? A lot of artists lip sync, live.
I'm not an expert on this, but from my research, backing tracks and lip-syncing have been common for many years (see this article: theconversation.com/playing-it-safe-a-brief-history-of-lip-syncing-70888).
The common usage of backing tracks is likely why the Lake Compounce incident didn't immediately expose Rob and Fab as not singing on the backing tracks or the recorded tracks.
It had been very common for decades prior to '89, and is still common. Watch clips from performances as far back as the '50s. In many cases (but not always) it was incredibly obvious they were lip synching. Lip synching was common knowledge ("Their guitars aren't even plugged in!") by the '70s, which resulted in certain TV shows in the '70s such as Don Kirshner's Rock Concert and The Midnight Special using as a hook the fact their acts were live, no lip synching.
Lip synching was so common and assumed that the '89 Milli Vanilli incident was not really a big deal at first. Lip synching to your own studio recording was one thing, however. Being a total fraud from the ground up was another issue entirely, but the fraud accusations didn't become public until months after the '89 incident.
Even now, the general public is very naïve about how much fakery and manipulation there is in the music industry.
Yea but it wasn't them actually singing. It's a completely different pair.😂
@@RosieMcPosie I seriously doubt anyone realized that, then.
There was a lot more behind this story. Good video.
Thank you!
I was there!
Whoa! Did you have any idea they were lip syncing?
They actually met at a Dance seminar in Munich Germany 1988.
I found conflicting info on that in my research. I noticed that first on Wikipedia, but I couldn't find a legitimate source to back that up. I found an LA Times article that said they met in Los Angeles, so I went with that. www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-07-23-ca-445-story.html
@@ParkRovers Not your mistake then. Its a Californian newspaper. Suprised they didn't say Milli Vanilli met at "Pride" on Mars.
Yea, they actually met in Munich.
It’s a very interesting story.
Be sure to check out the biopic steaming this fall of 2023 through Paramount +
I'm not convinced they met in Munich because a few journalists wrote articles stating Los Angeles. The LA Times article was where I first saw that, but then it was repeated by the NY Times and CBC 🤷🏻♂. I'm excited about the new biopic! www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-07-23-ca-445-story.html www.nytimes.com/1998/04/07/arts/robert-pilatus-32-performer-in-disgraced-band-milli-vanilli.html www.cbc.ca/music/read/girl-you-know-it-s-true-the-rise-and-fall-of-milli-vanilli-25-years-later-1.5007687
Hello, interesting because Fab stated in an interview (I can’t remember the source) that they met in Munich 🤷🏻♀️
Have a nice day guys!! 😊
Learn the real history about Lake Compounce. . That place is haunted! All the deaths and history! Born and raised there. And worked at that place
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I was born and raised there, you aren't supposed to speak about this
Im from Bristol, Ct. Lake Compounce doesn't have concerts like this anymore! I still cant believe this happened to them at Lake Compounce, LC is a bore for non-ride goers. I so wish I was there that day, even though I was a toddler. Lol. I still love Milli Vanilli anyway!
I was actually a infant.lol
Did you check out the 2023 summer concert series on the lake? I wonder if they’re going to bring that back again in 2024. I’d also like to see more for non-thrill seekers! -Andrew
I think my dad was working security the night this happened lol
Whoa! 😳
"Girl you know it's - Girl you know it's - Girl you know it's"...
amazing speed ... running off the stage ! :-)
I will forever remember the girl in that light blue dress.
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What the heck are you talking about?
Everyone lip syncs. Their punishment was a performative response by an industry full of fakes.
Agreed, lip syncing is very common! The issue here was that they didn’t sing on their record. But they were bamboozled by their producer, which I hope I explained well in this video (I tried, at least 😆).
Den Harrow, Baltimora...
now you get auto tune, if their alive they could do a reunion tour with Taylor Swift.
You can follow Fab at www.youtube.com/@FabMorvanChannel
The back up man is dead to say John Davis passed away in Germany, and yet their will be some appearing in South Korea.
I was working at lake compounce when that happened.. it was the club Mtv tour in 1989 and HOLY
F**K.. IT WAS BBBAAADDD..
I felt bad for them… but funny as 🤬
Honestly couldn’t believe no one noticed they were lip syncing for so long 🤯
Lake compounds probably would be doing way better if they offered counter to get like this!
Concerts
I guess if you’re lip syncing to songs that you actually physically recorded yourself it wouldn’t be so bad but if you’re down right lip syncing to someone else’s hard earned work it’s totally missed up and wrong.. isn’t that called stealing?
I think that's called karaoke? 🤪
False, they first met in a dance seminar in MUNICH!
There's conflicting information about whether it was Munich, Paris, or Los Angeles.
When I made this video, I did a lot of research and found a series of articles from more legitimate sources that all stated Los Angeles. Of course, the Paramount+ Milli Vanilli biopic came out last year, and Fab said it was Munich.
If I did the video over again, I'd probably just say it's one of the three cities prior to 1984 😆
-Andrew
If you're interested, here are the sources I found that said Los Angeles:
www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-07-23-ca-445-story.html www.nytimes.com/1998/04/07/arts/robert-pilatus-32-performer-in-disgraced-band-milli-vanilli.html
www.cbc.ca/music/read/girl-you-know-it-s-true-the-rise-and-fall-of-milli-vanilli-25-years-later-1.5007687
Yokey " accidental"?
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So many artists lip sync, Britney Spears hasn't sang a whole song live in 20 yrs.
The difference is, is that people like Britney Spears lip sync to her own voice, and understandably so, with the way she moves on stage. These guys lip synced to another person's voice entirely.
Yea but it’s her voice though no one was singing for her that’s the difference and issue they had someone singing for them it wasn’t their voices
The Greatest BS act of all time!
Just keep in mind it wasn’t really their fault!
@@ParkRovers Yeah they’re not the first famous BS act ever it was Boney M the first BS act.
@@EmbargomanI was surprised to learn about Boney M when researching this video!
Hahah 80,0000 people I don’t think so
lol I thought that was pretty funny too - I’d have to look it up but I think the amphitheater capacity was maybe 5k
No talent hacks
They were certainly talented dancers/performers. Fab seems like a good singer now.
That's embarrassing 😭
Definition of the truth comes out one way or another. That's what he get, going along with those producers.
I wouldn't be surprised if someone do that on purpose to him. I feel bad for what he been through though.
Evil as industries, it sounds like his producer killed him to me. Because they said he found him and rob already wanted nothing to do with him no more.
Why do you talk so slow?
I don’t think this video would be that good if I rushed through it, but you can try by increasing the playback speed 😉. Thanks for stopping by!