@@AutomaticJak If you end up making this, could you try and put something in about target frames, I couldn't figure out how to do that. For example, Fyrakk healer adds.
@@SPB1012certain adds like that needs to be healed like that requires blizzard to hard code on their end. If they don’t set it up a certain way, there is no addon that will track them via unit frames. Loradar adds are setup on blizzard end to be trackable via boss unit frames from your UI.
In Cell you also can direct a specific place for every hot: Create a new Indicator, name it like "hot 1" add the spell ID, set up the anchor point. Do this X times and you have all your hots on fixed places. If you play multiple healers you can also add for example Reju, RM, Riptide to "hot 1" so you don´t have this work for every spec
Same here literally used Vuhdo for 10 years and tried cell out at the recommendation of a guildie a couple of months ago. Would never swap back. Rest in piss bouquets
If Jak made a video on a step by step guide on exactly how to set up both cell AND the changes that are needed in edit mode, I'd be sold, but I'm not computer savvy enough to figure it out by myself.
Malea. He is a priest player from northern sky. His grid2 profile is the single best party/raid frame I have ever healed with. The way it tracks certain buffs is perfect for me. The entire hp bar changes colour when they have atonement on them for example. So you can quickly see who didnt get tagged with it because they are a completely different colour, rather than trying to see who is missing an icon. I have gone from using Elv ui frames, vuhdo, stock blizz frames and stuck on his grid2 profile. It is one of those addons that is 100000% modular and granular. And out the box it is a steaming pile of shit. Have a gander at some of his boss kills and you will see it in action.
I've been using grid2 for basically my entire healing career and I only figured out how to show test frames with it this expansion. Until now I always just made friends group up with me when I needed to adjust the placement lmao. I will never use another raid frame addon but good lord is the user experience kind of abysmal. I can't really fault anyone for deciding not to put in the time and effort of learning it even if I do think it offers the best customization for raid frames out there.
I do the same with grid. Frame changes color with atonement and has a progress bar on the frame to track time remaining. Among other things. Can't play without it. I use it for all heal specs too, not just disc. Grid is the king of displaying info in quickly readable ways. No other addon has the indicators and support that grid does. It's the objectively superior addon. Just takes a bit more time to set up, but it's well worth the effort.
I dont want to deal with addons as much as possible and healing beyond a certain level seems to almost require it so I actually quit my priest despite having fun on it for this reason. Its really frustrating that you basically NEED addons to see any of these extra options. Oh well.
I was showing a friend who was a dps only player how to use healing frames in order to cast their targeted support abilities (brez, misdirection/tricks, bop etc.). This lead me to switch off my current raid frames I was using for Cell as I saw Jak testing them on stream and it was much more new user friendly for them and still being as customizable as I needed it to be as a long time user of healing frames.
I'm giving Cell a go after seeing it on your stream, moving away from Elvui/Grid2. I got Shadowed Unit Frames to handle player, target, focus frames, etc., and it feels pretty good
The last time I tried cell, the biggest negative was not being able to have my frame first in the list. If this is possible now, I might give it a go for a bit.
Been using cell for a while, and not being able to sort myself in a specific spot was driving me nuts, was gonna ask how, but you explained that they added the feature in the end. What I find really annoying is that there isn’t a profile sort of section where u can select different profiles for different characters, you can only make changes based on roles. For example you can’t disable showing party on one character and enable it on another. If you disable it in one spot its disabled for all other characters too. I try to work around it by just not loading cell on characters that aren’t healers, but its super awkward. I sometimes heal on my paladin, but most of the time i want cell frames hidden as I use another frame for dps.
Healer frame type stuff aside, If you want to limit your FPS drops / frame lag as much as possible and have a smooth framerate during raid (assuming you have adequate RAM etc), I'd highly recommend using one of the X3D Processors from AMD (5800x3d, or 7800x3d, etc). The extra L3 cache on them hard carries FPS on wow since it's such a CPU heavy game that can utilize the 3D V-cache tech well. I basically never drop below 100 FPS in raid now, and I'm typically at 130+, even during bloodlust when there are a lot of mechanics going out. The difference was unreal.
I was thinking about building a new high end gaming rig with 4080 super and 7800x3d but why would I do that for playing mainly wow... now I have an excuse to do so
Swapped from a gen 3 ryzen to the 7800x3d and new DDR5 ram and the difference in wow is insane. Immediately stopped getting frame drops in raid and on huge pulls like the AA lasher pull. Buttery smooth even when pulling the entire room with lust
I have the 7800x3d with 4080, when you have weakauras, with Elvui, plater and details you go about 70 fps during big pulls and bloodlust, the game have its limitations, 2004 engine, but when I have 70 fps others have 20 😂
The only reason I haven't switched wholesale over to Cell is because I can't seem two find two important functions: 1) Health Bar Colored by Debuff - Blue Health Bar for magic, green for poison, etc. The Debuff section only seems to let you color the outline of the Debuff Icon, which isn't that helpful at a glance. 2) ELVUI-style block-color indicators, instead of spell icons. I dont want or need to see my Echo Icon 25 times. It helps visual clarity just to see a yellow block ticking down, versus an icon fading away. If anybody knows how to make this happen, or, hey, if a Cell Dev is reading this - hook me up
for the debuff health bars. Indicators > dispells > highlight type > Sollid (current or entire depending on preference). After that go to the Appearance tab and all the way at the bottom you will find the different dispell types and where you can change their colors. I haven't found a solution for your other issue but i'll keep looking
the first thing is easy and you can do that already. its in the debuff section, there you can choose how the debuff/color etc. should be. the 2nd is not possbile as far as i know.
I switched yesterday when a guildy told me about it and I’m already in love with it. I’ve used healbot for 10 years and I was ready to drop it within hours of having cell. The raid debuff section almost instantly sold me on it. It’s such a pain to set up in healbot. Cell has all the debuffs for raids and dungeons sorted by bosses in a list and you just enable/ disable what you want to see. You can also set up a hot key to black list debuffs right off the raid frame when they pop up. It’s amazing
I’ve try most of them, grid, grid2, vuhdu, cell, suf and probably some other on past. Suf - just work bad for heal. Vuhdu, have biggest impact for fps, really bad settings, and some problems back time to time. Grid - love it but no longer supported Grid2 - is good, low impact on fps, a lot of settings,small details, a setup can be hard like vuhdu. sometimes triggered me, but it’s really good. For start, before u know it, it’s good to get nice string like from madskillz for example. Cell - fine for start, very easy for setup. Looks great. Low impact on fps. But sometimes makes me angry. For last 4 years in 80% of time I play with elv ui, and works well. May be not perfect, but with elv I have lover numbers of issues. Can set mostly everything I need as a heal.
@@AutomaticJak maybe it's a matter of lack of skills in setting. the first example that comes to my mind is that I didn't know how to set that when I clicked on the char frame, it didn't allow using the rescue evoker.
I guess its time to move on. Been using Vuhdo since BFA. And one of the issues I most disliked was how I needed to create a new profile in order to keep the addon centered while the party grew in size. So I had M+ Drakthyr, Raid up to 15 as another profile and then the up to 40 as a 3rd profile just so it stayed centered while the player frames became smaller.
Been using elvui for the past 8 years or so, switched to Cell earlier this year and I love it. I axed elvui completely because I also found that I use less and less features of it. I have a weakaura that hides blizzard holy power (because i have it showing via another weakaura) and play with natty UI, weakauras, plater, and Cell now. i am running around with so much more fps now =D Only weird thing tiny things that I forgot came from elvui such as auto repair, auto sell greys, see enchants on gear. If anybody has a nice lightweight weakaura or addon that shows me my enchants and gems on my gear hmu =)
Vuhdo main as well for as long as I can remember but this video was super interesting and helpful. I'm going to give Cell a try. I'm glad I got a quick preview of all the other addons so I don't have to bother struggling setting them up just to test them my self.
This year when I became a full time healer I went away from the base ui frames. In the past I have had elvui. This year I gave Grid2 a shot and I know your thoughts on it. I admit its very hard to learn it and I myself used another profile but in the 6 months I have had it I have made it my own and learned all there is. I agree its for the type of person that wants everything in its place which I do like. Good thing in War Within is that with all the classes getting reworks I can go to wowhead and bring up defensives and add them to a defensive cooldown indicator. Only need the spell ID really. I can make my frames go certain colors based on what debuff they have like poison but only on the class that can dispell which is very helpful. I can make earth shield stacks for resto, you name it. On cell you have layouts and in Grid2 they are called themes which do the same when you enter raids or group content. I like that if you set your buff and devuff indicator size as a % of your frame they shrink to the right size in a raid which I only learned this last few months. Its good for every healer to have a top notch addon that they like and I wuld not want to change peoples minds. I just like Grid2. :D
Another grid2 stan here, it was the first raid frame addon I picked up and I'm just used to it by now. Other addons I've tried just don't feel like they're as customizable as Grid2.
@@WordslingerWillard Same. I am used to it now and changing to another will just cause me a headache. Plus I started using it as I started healing as a main so I was learning both at the same time. Disc priest was my first and Grid2 has good things for it. :)
@alancoll1987 I've got vision issues so my favorite thing about grid is that you can use set colors for buff/debuff tracking, I was a resto druid when I started learning to heal and the fact I could just make all my hots a certain colored box rather than show the full icon on my frames was a game changer for me.
heard u talking about cell a few weeks ago and tested it myself. Was a long time vuhdo user, too, but haven't looked back. Cell seems very intuitive and well thought through. Thx for the rec! Looking forward to the guide/optimization video.
Although pretty much all my problems with Vuhdo went away when I turned off the combat log parsing (it was awfully lagging on M Tindral), It is an ancient mod, no matter how we look at it. It has always bothered me that the number of frames don't get updated in combat (for like world bosses and such), and that every class needs their own party and raid profiles set up so that the addon remembers your keybinds, so perhaps it's time for a change.
@@ouro8 yeah, in general - scanners, you can find combat log parsing setting which is enabled by default. I'd advise disabling that for raiding. And make sure you save every profile, and check regularly because it tends to reset for some reason.
I never really click casted so Vuhdo was just not for me, so I used Grid2 since the original Grid came out. The complexity of it was immense, but after 15+ years of using i was used to it, so it wasn't bad. Switched to cell a few months ago and ya the difference is night and day. Cell is the only healing frames I can happily recommend to people that just works well out of the box, but also has all of the customization you would want out of unit frames.
I've been meaning to switch from Vuhdo for a while but so far I have not found an other raidframe addon that has the ability to move groups within a raid separately. I really love to use this feature when the raid has to split like 1-3 right 2-4 left etc. and I can just move group 1-3 next to each other quickly, so there are not 'gaps' between the groups that are actually in range to me.
I’ve used Healbot since I started healing at end of Panda, tried VuhDo in Shadowlands and hated that one, so I didn’t dive any deeper into the other addons. Cell looks like it is more intuitive so I’ll probably check it out before TWW. Thanks for the video Jak.
Yeah. VuhDo is amazing, but has WILDLY unintuitive menus. I've used it for years and still get confused sometimes. Cell seems to offer the same great features with a much simpler interface. I'll be trying it as well.
Loving cell... can't believe I may actually switch!!! How does healing adds work with cell? The click-casting does not function outside of cell.... so when I click on an add to heal them it does nothing... is there a work around for that besides clique or using in-game click casting?
Weak auras is very optimized and you can anchor buffs/debuffs to raid frames. So you can even add special textures or glows or sizes to specific buffs, have priority, or really whatever. For me, raid frames are just health bars, weak auars manages all my buffs, debuffs, defensives, etc. Happy to show you have if you message. It's quite easy.
I've been thinking of switching to cell since you were playing with it on stream. I like the fact that they have per spec settings and raid vs party settings! I've been playing holy for m+ and raid and having to change keybinds
The comments about how complex and menu-ridden Grid is caught me very off guard given that you were previously a Vuhdo user. Every time I've tried to setup Vuhdo, I've repeatedly gotten completely lost trying to navigate its absolute mess of a settings menu. It seemed as though the buttons on the settings UI didn't do remotely what it said they would and trying to find a setting oftentimes felt like a 20 minute game of hide-and-seek lol Cell seems cool though! I'll have to try it out
Cell looks fantastic, can't wait for your guide that sounds immensely helpful. Never really played healer seriously but I wanna get my UI working better
I am a software engineer myself and have been using Grid and Grid 2 since Cataclysm. I have accumulated numerous settings for pretty much every class, dungeon, and raid all the time, with homemade weakauras, Clique and macros to work with it. I can't imagine how I could build the whole thing up if I wanted to start over.
i swapped to standart ui like 2 weeks ago and i liked it alot over elvui but raidframes where pretty off, thanks for showing me cell its an absolute gamechanger
Cell is great. After like 13 years of Healbot i was finally done with its shenanigans and super unintuitive settings. Haven't looked back a single time. One of the things i really like about Cell for M+, is that it has a builtin list and auto display for all important debuffs from bosses and trash. It's also very easy and intuitive to set up. The only thing I'm really missing is castbars. Also missing: sounds on dispellable debuffs but i solved that with a Weakaura.
i used Cell for Wotlk classic when i was healing, and it was really good.. But then i stopped healing and went back to retail DPS so swapped to elvui at the same time.
Aesthetics from the 80s and 90s. Ummm, what are people speaking about? I don't think people understand the evolution of computers, graphics etc. Perhaps 10 years old but that's it. I don't think folks understand that there was nothing in the 80s and in the 90s, we are talking sonic the hedgehog. Aesthetics were pixel art at best.
@@Kryptic712 It may be old but, in what it is for me, as long as I need only a few minutes to configure it when prepatch comes, and then forget for the rest of the expansion, I'm good.
Thought about trying cell, but it's too complicated. I want my set up to look exactly like Jak's, but you'd have to not only setup cell, but change everything in edit mode as well and I have no idea how I'd go about doing that. It's too much work for too little reward. You can't even set up horizontal party frames with the basic UI, so I'm stuck healing with vertical party frames because I have no choice. I downloaded cell, and deleted it within 5 minutes because I started having anxiety thinking I'd accidentally mess something up on my current UI and wouldn't be able to fix it. I was really wanting this to work.
ElvUI is absolutely hideous and actually really annoying if playing a Druid since the action bars Elv uses are outdated as of DF. Also Elv's eye vomit. BlizzMove and default UI is damn near "perfection."
Hi. Great content as usual. I've been using healbot for years now but nobody talks about it much. It works for me but am I missing something? IS there some disadvantage I don't know about? Thinking about changing and so surious what people have to say about it.
I love Clique + Blizzard grid. It's simple and fast to configure. To much customazing start to becamo an issue, especifcaly if you have like 1h to play per day.
Cell is great. Have run into a few small speedbumps like smartcasting buffs (or the lack of them) and showing multiple auras on yourself.. but nothing that cant be fixed via pairing the frames with weakauras.
The one thing I've always looked for in regards to sorting is the one VuhDo does that sorts by Tank > Melee > Ranged > Healers. I really like to know when a player is melee or ranged because some spells are better at handling certain scenarios better. And it also helps me find people on my raid frames for certain mechanics faster since some only target 1 or the other. I haven't found any other healing addon that does this yet.
Was on Vuhdoo niddle since end Wotlk - tonns of useless information comes through new expansion but every time just thought about all this settings in new addon seems a real nightmare. But laggs on Tyndral was last and guildy aug said me about "new easy frames" - cell and i was astonished by difference in setting vs vuhdoo. Now im still in a way to finale set it up before patch but for new player totally recommended Cell up on vuhdoo.
Any reason HealBot didn’t get a mention? Thinking about going back to heals for TWW after many years of dps. HealBot is what I’ve used back in the day and still use it to casually test healers.
I think I only used grid because it was what I was used to from ages back. Giving Cell a go now as it seems way more customizable. I agree with elvui, I only ever used it because I disliked the defauly unitframes but having healed for a tier or two and also using plater I was like why am I still using elvui lol.
ha. I'[ve hated grid since the first time I used it. So overrated. I'm going to check out Cell, since what you say about it seems to address a lot of my personal annoyances with vuhdo. Thats for the info!
Switching over to cell from heal bot I've tried to go to vuh do multiple times before but the setup is a pain cell took like 5 min, so far my only real problem is it can't track holy power as far as i can tell but a weak aura can get around that so for now i think I'm going to stick with it.
A big pro of grid2 that is not talked about enough is also the performance impact of it. Grid2 fps impact is close to none nonexistent comparedto vuhdo, and still alot better then cell.
Does anyone know on Cell how to get to the raid tab where you can do countdowns ready checks and marker placements? It overwrites the blizard tab for this and last time i tried i could not work out for the life of me where this tab was found 😂
Sir you need to upgrade your PC. Wait for 5 series of NVIDIA and go make a build with AMD processor and 5090 beast in it. Great for yourself experiencing full details smooth 144fps, content and everything and with way less fps drops. Add QDOLED 34" monitor and you're golden. You play a lot so why not and it will last plenty of years.
Going to Cell from Vuhdo!! Jak and people of the internet, is there any way of customizing where each HoT goes on the frame like in Vuhdo? Now they just appear in one row which is very annoying. Ty for great content!!
your frames look suspiciously low. what cpu and gpu are you running? im playing on a i9 9900k and 2080 ti and im still getting 75-85 fps in dungeons with a 1440p monitor. is it bc youre streaming? have you tried purging old weakauras you dont use anymore?
This is one of the reasons stopping me coming back to WoW. Why do I need to install a 'second game' just to make the original game 'playable'? I wish Blizzard makes WoW simpler like in Classic. There is no point in making the game more complex if people are just going to use addon to make it simpler 🤦♂
I've been enjoying ElvUI + Blizzard Click Casting for most of Dragonflight. Though I've tried out Cell and absolutely love it. I guess ElvUI is really just doing my unit frames and chat frames now - I've turned skins off for almost everything else. I'll poke around your channels for the info but I'm curious what you're using for your unit frames paired with cell
So glad you did this video! Recently, I was thinking about trying Vuhdo again but wasn't sure I wanted to fight through the menus. I've been wanting to get back into healing because it's a part of the game that I miss (I usually end up tanking for friends a LOT). I would also be very interested to hear if you replace Elv UI! It does a lot, but like you mentioned, it decreases performance.
I had the exact same experience vuhdo vs. Grid 2. I am good with vuhdo and I have also used in since WoD, but Cell... maan it just looks so much less hassle. So I think I might need to do a bit of a rework, looking at you and Growl playing with it and it looks much smoother in many ways.
Swapped from Vuhdo to Cell and I can not be happier. Seems like it improved fps a bit aswell. The only thing I kinda miss is I had a buqoet in vuhdo that would change the players raid frame from class colour to a specific colour (green for example) whenever the player had Atonement on himself. Bunch of discs use that so its easier to track atonements. Havent found that option or feature in Cell sadly, so i am getting used to tracking Atonements just via the icons on frames. Any idea if its possible to set up?
Wow, you have sold me on Cell. Been wow healing for all of the 20 years. I think I swapped from clique/grid to vuhdo in 2012 or so. I'll be making it a focus these next couple months to set up and learn Cell!
I used Grid until Grid2 surpassed it. Low latency is the major bonus. Being a multiclass healer, and forced by my guild to use Grid back in the day for raiding ( it allowed us to see what other healers were casting when no other raid frames did that at the time) I suppose I learned the ins and outs of grid faster. Grid2 is still my go-to but Cell looks interesting. I was always amazed how popular Vuhdo eventually became. Change is a good thing.
Never rly got the hate on vuhdos interface, yah its old and arguably ugly, but its definitely functional so who cares. It's like people who prefer the windows 10/11 file searching where it tries to look up stuff on edge, where before in win7 it'd just search your files like you actually wanted.
i loved vuhdo, but holy shit it was so bad in amidrassil. It straight-up couldn't handle treants spawning on larodal, so I switched to grid, but I missed out-of-box debuff showing (e.g. in m+) that vuhdo had
Grid is absolutely ancient, the original Grid has been around since vanilla I think and it honestly mostly looks and works the same still. It's archaic but it's quite powerful and I've been using it for forever so there's not much reason to swap, although Cell does have my curiosity peaked.
Cell is pretty good, though it's still missing a bunch of big features Vuhdo has, such as hostile frames - essential for DPS'ing while healing. Good to know there's a close contender if Vuhdo support ever stops.
I need to be able to sort the party by role. Tank always on top, me (healer) always on bottom. And vuhdo is just too annoyingly complicated to learn. I use ElvUI and i basically only use it for the raid frames. I love them. I like to have specific buffs and whatnot in specific places. I like being able to just see, out of the corner of my eye, if a buff is up because its in a specific spot on the frame
Cell is much better than most and decently user friendly, but the addon memory usage is probably the highest I've even seen. Grid2 has extreme customizing and *far* less memory usage. Depending on your setup, this may matter. I've also been using since it was created, so I'm far more used to that addon.
Been a Vuhdo user since i started healing during Legion. But boy oh boy is the interface for it clumsy and buggy and unintuitive and, at least for me, required a lot of trial and error to get stuff working. Just so that it sometimes can bug out so that i have to reload mid fight to even be able to use it. Worst offender in my opinion is the heavy toll it takes on my fps, have like twice as much fps when i go ele and don't load it. So yeah, this video comes at the perfect time, cause i since long wanted to get another healing addon, but didnt know which. Cell looks pretty promising to be my new healing addon though, thanks for showing it off :)
I use grid2 but I'd say the most important thing is using what your comfortable with. I do think if I was getting into healing today, I might just stick with the base UI. But I'm so used to Grid2 now that whenever I try to deviate my usual addons, chaos ensues.
A guildie recommended Cell to me last week when I came back to WoW. So so much better than Vuhdo. Paired it with Shadowed Unit Frames and my fps is godly. Too bad about my ms 😂
Thank you Jak. I have used healbot for as many years as it's been around, but only because I had a hard time figuring out the other addons and have always longed for something similar to healbot. Cell looks like it might be one that I can switch to and figure out, yay
So is cell more lightweight than ELvUI and VuhDo frames? As long as its features are concerned, it has everything the other two have and its much easier to set up. Although I dont need to set up the other two anymore, since I have explored and tweaked all of their features and have settled down to specific profiles. So for me it comes down to whether cell has less of a spaggetti code than the other two.
I used default raid frames with bigger buffs / erf all of df, just recently switched to cell after trying grid and elv - but they were just too complicated to set up in my opinion... cell is easy to set up, but also the out of the box experience is great - will be my go-to for next expac for sure
I will live and die by the standard raid frames. There’s literally nothing I need from vudho or grid that isn’t showed on the standard ui. But maybe it’s also because I’m most comfortable with it having played since vanilla beta
Big fan of healbot because it has a built-in click style function, but it does feel dated. We also keep getting fights with outside targets, and that never works on healbot.
Great video, I am going to give Cell a try. I have been using the same elvui profile since legion and even though I know it is subpar at this point, it is hard to try something new. Cell looks like I can set up the way I like without all the pain points or crazy high learning curve.
I’ve been using healbot for as long as I remember. Wrath maybe? It’s tough for me to move from because I’ve had my preferred setup established for so long. Out of range opacity is a big thing for me.
Ya ive almost always used VuHdo and elvui i prefer VuHdo for party/raid frames and use elvui for almost everything else. I never liked helkii or grid, i may try to make a fresh alt and try using cell and see if its better though
Have the devs added the ability to have your Cell keybinds work with the default frames? I like Cell a lot, but I use the default health bars for myself and the target, and the last time I tried Cell, my keybinds didn't work with my default frames.
Jak can you make a guide on how to set up cell?! That would be amazing.
Yes!
@@AutomaticJak If you end up making this, could you try and put something in about target frames, I couldn't figure out how to do that. For example, Fyrakk healer adds.
@@SPB1012 I was under the impression Fyrakk healing adds were done that way on purpose.. butttt, Larodar healing adds for sure
@@SPB1012certain adds like that needs to be healed like that requires blizzard to hard code on their end. If they don’t set it up a certain way, there is no addon that will track them via unit frames.
Loradar adds are setup on blizzard end to be trackable via boss unit frames from your UI.
@@AutomaticJak cant wait mate!
In Cell you also can direct a specific place for every hot: Create a new Indicator, name it like "hot 1" add the spell ID, set up the anchor point. Do this X times and you have all your hots on fixed places. If you play multiple healers you can also add for example Reju, RM, Riptide to "hot 1" so you don´t have this work for every spec
I have been loyal to Vuhdo for 7 years, but navigating through the 90s Vuhdo menu is a nightmare. I think I might take a look at Cell.
Try u wont regret
I was a longtime user of Vuhdo for 5-6 years, and switched to Cell to try it out. Never looked back. Take the leap.
Same boat here. Imma get cell once i finish work and mess around
Same here literally used Vuhdo for 10 years and tried cell out at the recommendation of a guildie a couple of months ago. Would never swap back. Rest in piss bouquets
100% swapped from vuhdo to cell and it’s so much better to use
CELL all the way. Switched recently and holy shit, it has everything and replaces 5 addons/weakauras
BigDebuffs for normal raid frames is helpful, but yeah Cell looks amazing.
best way imo to test ui things like this is to queue follower dungeons!
good video idea jak. I'm a grid boy but i definitely get the sentiment.
If Jak made a video on a step by step guide on exactly how to set up both cell AND the changes that are needed in edit mode, I'd be sold, but I'm not computer savvy enough to figure it out by myself.
Malea. He is a priest player from northern sky. His grid2 profile is the single best party/raid frame I have ever healed with. The way it tracks certain buffs is perfect for me. The entire hp bar changes colour when they have atonement on them for example. So you can quickly see who didnt get tagged with it because they are a completely different colour, rather than trying to see who is missing an icon.
I have gone from using Elv ui frames, vuhdo, stock blizz frames and stuck on his grid2 profile. It is one of those addons that is 100000% modular and granular. And out the box it is a steaming pile of shit. Have a gander at some of his boss kills and you will see it in action.
I've been using grid2 for basically my entire healing career and I only figured out how to show test frames with it this expansion. Until now I always just made friends group up with me when I needed to adjust the placement lmao. I will never use another raid frame addon but good lord is the user experience kind of abysmal. I can't really fault anyone for deciding not to put in the time and effort of learning it even if I do think it offers the best customization for raid frames out there.
I tried Grid2 for awhile but one day it stopped showing bleeds so I ended up just going back to default.
I do the same with grid. Frame changes color with atonement and has a progress bar on the frame to track time remaining. Among other things. Can't play without it. I use it for all heal specs too, not just disc.
Grid is the king of displaying info in quickly readable ways. No other addon has the indicators and support that grid does. It's the objectively superior addon. Just takes a bit more time to set up, but it's well worth the effort.
@@SolitaryJarheadthis happened to me a few times too!
Being a Healbot user, I feel like left out... 😌😌
But then again, I don't heal high keys or raids, thanks to Blizz for the obvious reason. 😑😑
I dont want to deal with addons as much as possible and healing beyond a certain level seems to almost require it so I actually quit my priest despite having fun on it for this reason.
Its really frustrating that you basically NEED addons to see any of these extra options. Oh well.
I was showing a friend who was a dps only player how to use healing frames in order to cast their targeted support abilities (brez, misdirection/tricks, bop etc.). This lead me to switch off my current raid frames I was using for Cell as I saw Jak testing them on stream and it was much more new user friendly for them and still being as customizable as I needed it to be as a long time user of healing frames.
What is it Cell?
@@kazdaillestthe first raid frame he talks about in the video
I'm giving Cell a go after seeing it on your stream, moving away from Elvui/Grid2. I got Shadowed Unit Frames to handle player, target, focus frames, etc., and it feels pretty good
I'm doing the same
The last time I tried cell, the biggest negative was not being able to have my frame first in the list. If this is possible now, I might give it a go for a bit.
its possible but you may need a additional script. there are videos/guides out there where they show how it works
Been using cell for a while, and not being able to sort myself in a specific spot was driving me nuts, was gonna ask how, but you explained that they added the feature in the end. What I find really annoying is that there isn’t a profile sort of section where u can select different profiles for different characters, you can only make changes based on roles. For example you can’t disable showing party on one character and enable it on another. If you disable it in one spot its disabled for all other characters too. I try to work around it by just not loading cell on characters that aren’t healers, but its super awkward. I sometimes heal on my paladin, but most of the time i want cell frames hidden as I use another frame for dps.
I downloaded it last night, and I can't figure out how to put myself at the top of the group I am in. Where is the feature added?
Healer frame type stuff aside, If you want to limit your FPS drops / frame lag as much as possible and have a smooth framerate during raid (assuming you have adequate RAM etc), I'd highly recommend using one of the X3D Processors from AMD (5800x3d, or 7800x3d, etc). The extra L3 cache on them hard carries FPS on wow since it's such a CPU heavy game that can utilize the 3D V-cache tech well. I basically never drop below 100 FPS in raid now, and I'm typically at 130+, even during bloodlust when there are a lot of mechanics going out. The difference was unreal.
I was thinking about building a new high end gaming rig with 4080 super and 7800x3d but why would I do that for playing mainly wow... now I have an excuse to do so
Swapped from a gen 3 ryzen to the 7800x3d and new DDR5 ram and the difference in wow is insane. Immediately stopped getting frame drops in raid and on huge pulls like the AA lasher pull. Buttery smooth even when pulling the entire room with lust
I have the 7800x3d with 4080, when you have weakauras, with Elvui, plater and details you go about 70 fps during big pulls and bloodlust, the game have its limitations, 2004 engine, but when I have 70 fps others have 20 😂
Anything less than 200 is bad
@@Arcblood show me a screenshot of you getting 200 frames in VD
The only reason I haven't switched wholesale over to Cell is because I can't seem two find two important functions:
1) Health Bar Colored by Debuff - Blue Health Bar for magic, green for poison, etc. The Debuff section only seems to let you color the outline of the Debuff Icon, which isn't that helpful at a glance.
2) ELVUI-style block-color indicators, instead of spell icons. I dont want or need to see my Echo Icon 25 times. It helps visual clarity just to see a yellow block ticking down, versus an icon fading away.
If anybody knows how to make this happen, or, hey, if a Cell Dev is reading this - hook me up
for the debuff health bars. Indicators > dispells > highlight type > Sollid (current or entire depending on preference). After that go to the Appearance tab and all the way at the bottom you will find the different dispell types and where you can change their colors.
I haven't found a solution for your other issue but i'll keep looking
the first thing is easy and you can do that already. its in the debuff section, there you can choose how the debuff/color etc. should be. the 2nd is not possbile as far as i know.
@@Pidgelicious thank you!
Welp Figured out how to do both of these things. Cell rules, using it forever.
I switched yesterday when a guildy told me about it and I’m already in love with it. I’ve used healbot for 10 years and I was ready to drop it within hours of having cell. The raid debuff section almost instantly sold me on it. It’s such a pain to set up in healbot. Cell has all the debuffs for raids and dungeons sorted by bosses in a list and you just enable/ disable what you want to see. You can also set up a hot key to black list debuffs right off the raid frame when they pop up. It’s amazing
Ditched Elvui a couple of months ago. The default is much better now and I would recommend trying it.
I’ve try most of them, grid, grid2, vuhdu, cell, suf and probably some other on past.
Suf - just work bad for heal.
Vuhdu, have biggest impact for fps, really bad settings, and some problems back time to time.
Grid - love it but no longer supported
Grid2 - is good, low impact on fps, a lot of settings,small details, a setup can be hard like vuhdu. sometimes triggered me, but it’s really good. For start, before u know it, it’s good to get nice string like from madskillz for example.
Cell - fine for start, very easy for setup. Looks great. Low impact on fps. But sometimes makes me angry.
For last 4 years in 80% of time I play with elv ui, and works well. May be not perfect, but with elv I have lover numbers of issues. Can set mostly everything I need as a heal.
What makes you angry with cell?
@@AutomaticJak maybe it's a matter of lack of skills in setting. the first example that comes to my mind is that I didn't know how to set that when I clicked on the char frame, it didn't allow using the rescue evoker.
I guess its time to move on. Been using Vuhdo since BFA. And one of the issues I most disliked was how I needed to create a new profile in order to keep the addon centered while the party grew in size. So I had M+ Drakthyr, Raid up to 15 as another profile and then the up to 40 as a 3rd profile just so it stayed centered while the player frames became smaller.
Been using elvui for the past 8 years or so, switched to Cell earlier this year and I love it. I axed elvui completely because I also found that I use less and less features of it. I have a weakaura that hides blizzard holy power (because i have it showing via another weakaura) and play with natty UI, weakauras, plater, and Cell now. i am running around with so much more fps now =D Only weird thing tiny things that I forgot came from elvui such as auto repair, auto sell greys, see enchants on gear.
If anybody has a nice lightweight weakaura or addon that shows me my enchants and gems on my gear hmu =)
I swapped to Cell from Vuhdo/clique for Cata Classic, and really enjoying it for all roles, especially healer.
Vuhdo main as well for as long as I can remember but this video was super interesting and helpful. I'm going to give Cell a try. I'm glad I got a quick preview of all the other addons so I don't have to bother struggling setting them up just to test them my self.
Good luck!
This year when I became a full time healer I went away from the base ui frames. In the past I have had elvui. This year I gave Grid2 a shot and I know your thoughts on it. I admit its very hard to learn it and I myself used another profile but in the 6 months I have had it I have made it my own and learned all there is. I agree its for the type of person that wants everything in its place which I do like. Good thing in War Within is that with all the classes getting reworks I can go to wowhead and bring up defensives and add them to a defensive cooldown indicator. Only need the spell ID really. I can make my frames go certain colors based on what debuff they have like poison but only on the class that can dispell which is very helpful. I can make earth shield stacks for resto, you name it. On cell you have layouts and in Grid2 they are called themes which do the same when you enter raids or group content. I like that if you set your buff and devuff indicator size as a % of your frame they shrink to the right size in a raid which I only learned this last few months. Its good for every healer to have a top notch addon that they like and I wuld not want to change peoples minds. I just like Grid2. :D
Another grid2 stan here, it was the first raid frame addon I picked up and I'm just used to it by now. Other addons I've tried just don't feel like they're as customizable as Grid2.
@@WordslingerWillard Same. I am used to it now and changing to another will just cause me a headache. Plus I started using it as I started healing as a main so I was learning both at the same time. Disc priest was my first and Grid2 has good things for it. :)
@alancoll1987 I've got vision issues so my favorite thing about grid is that you can use set colors for buff/debuff tracking, I was a resto druid when I started learning to heal and the fact I could just make all my hots a certain colored box rather than show the full icon on my frames was a game changer for me.
@@WordslingerWillard I prefer the spell icons but the fact you can color the boxes or the entire frame is great. :)
heard u talking about cell a few weeks ago and tested it myself. Was a long time vuhdo user, too, but haven't looked back. Cell seems very intuitive and well thought through. Thx for the rec! Looking forward to the guide/optimization video.
You bet!
Although pretty much all my problems with Vuhdo went away when I turned off the combat log parsing (it was awfully lagging on M Tindral), It is an ancient mod, no matter how we look at it.
It has always bothered me that the number of frames don't get updated in combat (for like world bosses and such), and that every class needs their own party and raid profiles set up so that the addon remembers your keybinds, so perhaps it's time for a change.
Is combat log parsing an option in Vuhdo? I have fps problems in raiding too, and would love to try if vuhdo is the problem
@@ouro8 yeah, in general - scanners, you can find combat log parsing setting which is enabled by default. I'd advise disabling that for raiding. And make sure you save every profile, and check regularly because it tends to reset for some reason.
I never really click casted so Vuhdo was just not for me, so I used Grid2 since the original Grid came out. The complexity of it was immense, but after 15+ years of using i was used to it, so it wasn't bad. Switched to cell a few months ago and ya the difference is night and day. Cell is the only healing frames I can happily recommend to people that just works well out of the box, but also has all of the customization you would want out of unit frames.
I just switched to Cell from VuhDo a few weeks ago and grabbed Growl's import and I will never look back.
I've been meaning to switch from Vuhdo for a while but so far I have not found an other raidframe addon that has the ability to move groups within a raid separately. I really love to use this feature when the raid has to split like 1-3 right 2-4 left etc. and I can just move group 1-3 next to each other quickly, so there are not 'gaps' between the groups that are actually in range to me.
I’ve used Healbot since I started healing at end of Panda, tried VuhDo in Shadowlands and hated that one, so I didn’t dive any deeper into the other addons. Cell looks like it is more intuitive so I’ll probably check it out before TWW. Thanks for the video Jak.
Yeah. VuhDo is amazing, but has WILDLY unintuitive menus. I've used it for years and still get confused sometimes.
Cell seems to offer the same great features with a much simpler interface. I'll be trying it as well.
Loving cell... can't believe I may actually switch!!!
How does healing adds work with cell? The click-casting does not function outside of cell.... so when I click on an add to heal them it does nothing... is there a work around for that besides clique or using in-game click casting?
How did you miss "Raid Frame Settings" for default UI? It answers almost all of your problems! I use it and was healing 27s last season with it!
Weak auras is very optimized and you can anchor buffs/debuffs to raid frames. So you can even add special textures or glows or sizes to specific buffs, have priority, or really whatever. For me, raid frames are just health bars, weak auars manages all my buffs, debuffs, defensives, etc. Happy to show you have if you message. It's quite easy.
I've been thinking of switching to cell since you were playing with it on stream. I like the fact that they have per spec settings and raid vs party settings! I've been playing holy for m+ and raid and having to change keybinds
The comments about how complex and menu-ridden Grid is caught me very off guard given that you were previously a Vuhdo user. Every time I've tried to setup Vuhdo, I've repeatedly gotten completely lost trying to navigate its absolute mess of a settings menu. It seemed as though the buttons on the settings UI didn't do remotely what it said they would and trying to find a setting oftentimes felt like a 20 minute game of hide-and-seek lol
Cell seems cool though! I'll have to try it out
Moreso that everyone told me that Grid was super easy and Vuhdo was super complex when I think that both of them are very complex and tough to use
As a grid user, Cell is probably the best, most usable add-on out of the box that I've seen.
Cell looks fantastic, can't wait for your guide that sounds immensely helpful. Never really played healer seriously but I wanna get my UI working better
Bloody love add-on review videos! So important but they can take so much work. Thanks Jak!
Glad you like them!
I got so tired of the addons messing up I went to just clique and enhanced raid frames. Super low ram cost and get all the info you need
I am a software engineer myself and have been using Grid and Grid 2 since Cataclysm. I have accumulated numerous settings for pretty much every class, dungeon, and raid all the time, with homemade weakauras, Clique and macros to work with it. I can't imagine how I could build the whole thing up if I wanted to start over.
Default raid frames can show more than three buffs at a time if you make the frames wider. I've got my dungeon frames setup to show five atm.
i swapped to standart ui like 2 weeks ago and i liked it alot over elvui but raidframes where pretty off, thanks for showing me cell its an absolute gamechanger
You bet!
Cell is great. After like 13 years of Healbot i was finally done with its shenanigans and super unintuitive settings. Haven't looked back a single time. One of the things i really like about Cell for M+, is that it has a builtin list and auto display for all important debuffs from bosses and trash. It's also very easy and intuitive to set up. The only thing I'm really missing is castbars. Also missing: sounds on dispellable debuffs but i solved that with a Weakaura.
Try out the Raid Debuffs indicator!
i used Cell for Wotlk classic when i was healing, and it was really good.. But then i stopped healing and went back to retail DPS so swapped to elvui at the same time.
Aesthetics from the 80s and 90s. Ummm, what are people speaking about? I don't think people understand the evolution of computers, graphics etc. Perhaps 10 years old but that's it. I don't think folks understand that there was nothing in the 80s and in the 90s, we are talking sonic the hedgehog. Aesthetics were pixel art at best.
I've been a healbot user since BC, and I do not think I will change now, but its always good to know the alternatives. Thanks for the video!
I used healbot from tbc to I think wod.
I really liked it.
But it’s just old now.
@@Kryptic712 It may be old but, in what it is for me, as long as I need only a few minutes to configure it when prepatch comes, and then forget for the rest of the expansion, I'm good.
Thought about trying cell, but it's too complicated. I want my set up to look exactly like Jak's, but you'd have to not only setup cell, but change everything in edit mode as well and I have no idea how I'd go about doing that. It's too much work for too little reward. You can't even set up horizontal party frames with the basic UI, so I'm stuck healing with vertical party frames because I have no choice. I downloaded cell, and deleted it within 5 minutes because I started having anxiety thinking I'd accidentally mess something up on my current UI and wouldn't be able to fix it. I was really wanting this to work.
ElvUI is absolutely hideous and actually really annoying if playing a Druid since the action bars Elv uses are outdated as of DF. Also Elv's eye vomit. BlizzMove and default UI is damn near "perfection."
Hi. Great content as usual. I've been using healbot for years now but nobody talks about it much. It works for me but am I missing something? IS there some disadvantage I don't know about? Thinking about changing and so surious what people have to say about it.
I love Clique + Blizzard grid. It's simple and fast to configure. To much customazing start to becamo an issue, especifcaly if you have like 1h to play per day.
Cell is great. Have run into a few small speedbumps like smartcasting buffs (or the lack of them) and showing multiple auras on yourself.. but nothing that cant be fixed via pairing the frames with weakauras.
The one thing I've always looked for in regards to sorting is the one VuhDo does that sorts by Tank > Melee > Ranged > Healers. I really like to know when a player is melee or ranged because some spells are better at handling certain scenarios better. And it also helps me find people on my raid frames for certain mechanics faster since some only target 1 or the other. I haven't found any other healing addon that does this yet.
Cell does this aswell
Was on Vuhdoo niddle since end Wotlk - tonns of useless information comes through new expansion but every time just thought about all this settings in new addon seems a real nightmare. But laggs on Tyndral was last and guildy aug said me about "new easy frames" - cell and i was astonished by difference in setting vs vuhdoo. Now im still in a way to finale set it up before patch but for new player totally recommended Cell up on vuhdoo.
Any reason HealBot didn’t get a mention? Thinking about going back to heals for TWW after many years of dps. HealBot is what I’ve used back in the day and still use it to casually test healers.
I think I only used grid because it was what I was used to from ages back. Giving Cell a go now as it seems way more customizable.
I agree with elvui, I only ever used it because I disliked the defauly unitframes but having healed for a tier or two and also using plater I was like why am I still using elvui lol.
ha. I'[ve hated grid since the first time I used it. So overrated. I'm going to check out Cell, since what you say about it seems to address a lot of my personal annoyances with vuhdo. Thats for the info!
At 15:20 you say you can make yourself always appear in the same place in raid frames in CELL could you let me know how to do that Please?
Switching over to cell from heal bot I've tried to go to vuh do multiple times before but the setup is a pain cell took like 5 min, so far my only real problem is it can't track holy power as far as i can tell but a weak aura can get around that so for now i think I'm going to stick with it.
A big pro of grid2 that is not talked about enough is also the performance impact of it.
Grid2 fps impact is close to none nonexistent comparedto vuhdo, and still alot better then cell.
Does anyone know on Cell how to get to the raid tab where you can do countdowns ready checks and marker placements? It overwrites the blizard tab for this and last time i tried i could not work out for the life of me where this tab was found 😂
oof that grid loadout looked like crap. i can give u my profile if you want to try one that doesnt suck. i use grid2 and buffoverlay.
A better, more modern version of Grid is Aptechka. Might be worth trying out.
Thank you for telling me that click casting is in default WoW. One less addon I need! :D
I am curious as to your opinion on Healbot. I know it is not a Full Frame replacement, but still one of my favorites.
Okay, I never liked Vuhdo, neither in form nor function. But Cell looks awesome.
Sir you need to upgrade your PC.
Wait for 5 series of NVIDIA and go make a build with AMD processor and 5090 beast in it.
Great for yourself experiencing full details smooth 144fps, content and everything and with way less fps drops. Add QDOLED 34" monitor and you're golden. You play a lot so why not and it will last plenty of years.
I’ve got a 3070 with a 5800x processor. Served me well so far but I am considering an upgrade
Never seen Cell... But now i have a little healer hard on for it :P
Going to Cell from Vuhdo!! Jak and people of the internet, is there any way of customizing where each HoT goes on the frame like in Vuhdo? Now they just appear in one row which is very annoying. Ty for great content!!
love the eye rolling in the grid section
your frames look suspiciously low. what cpu and gpu are you running? im playing on a i9 9900k and 2080 ti and im still getting 75-85 fps in dungeons with a 1440p monitor. is it bc youre streaming? have you tried purging old weakauras you dont use anymore?
Ryzen 7 5800X and a 3070. Yeah streaming uses a lot even w a gpu encoding. Purged old auras and did wa profiling
This is one of the reasons stopping me coming back to WoW.
Why do I need to install a 'second game' just to make the original game 'playable'?
I wish Blizzard makes WoW simpler like in Classic. There is no point in making the game more complex if people are just going to use addon to make it simpler
🤦♂
I mean you don’t need to. In the video I even say how much better the default frames have gotten over the years
Healbot, enough said
Haven’t touched it since throne of thunder
i think im the only one left who is using healbot, but i think its draining my cpu on 30 men raids
Grid2 is the best once you put in the effort to learn how to use it, but yeah it defs has a steep learning curve.
I've been enjoying ElvUI + Blizzard Click Casting for most of Dragonflight.
Though I've tried out Cell and absolutely love it.
I guess ElvUI is really just doing my unit frames and chat frames now - I've turned skins off for almost everything else.
I'll poke around your channels for the info but I'm curious what you're using for your unit frames paired with cell
So glad you did this video! Recently, I was thinking about trying Vuhdo again but wasn't sure I wanted to fight through the menus. I've been wanting to get back into healing because it's a part of the game that I miss (I usually end up tanking for friends a LOT).
I would also be very interested to hear if you replace Elv UI! It does a lot, but like you mentioned, it decreases performance.
I had the exact same experience vuhdo vs. Grid 2. I am good with vuhdo and I have also used in since WoD, but Cell... maan it just looks so much less hassle. So I think I might need to do a bit of a rework, looking at you and Growl playing with it and it looks much smoother in many ways.
Swapped from Vuhdo to Cell and I can not be happier. Seems like it improved fps a bit aswell. The only thing I kinda miss is I had a buqoet in vuhdo that would change the players raid frame from class colour to a specific colour (green for example) whenever the player had Atonement on himself. Bunch of discs use that so its easier to track atonements. Havent found that option or feature in Cell sadly, so i am getting used to tracking Atonements just via the icons on frames. Any idea if its possible to set up?
Wow, you have sold me on Cell. Been wow healing for all of the 20 years. I think I swapped from clique/grid to vuhdo in 2012 or so. I'll be making it a focus these next couple months to set up and learn Cell!
I used Grid until Grid2 surpassed it. Low latency is the major bonus. Being a multiclass healer, and forced by my guild to use Grid back in the day for raiding ( it allowed us to see what other healers were casting when no other raid frames did that at the time) I suppose I learned the ins and outs of grid faster. Grid2 is still my go-to but Cell looks interesting. I was always amazed how popular Vuhdo eventually became. Change is a good thing.
Never rly got the hate on vuhdos interface, yah its old and arguably ugly, but its definitely functional so who cares. It's like people who prefer the windows 10/11 file searching where it tries to look up stuff on edge, where before in win7 it'd just search your files like you actually wanted.
i loved vuhdo, but holy shit it was so bad in amidrassil. It straight-up couldn't handle treants spawning on larodal, so I switched to grid, but I missed out-of-box debuff showing (e.g. in m+) that vuhdo had
Grid is absolutely ancient, the original Grid has been around since vanilla I think and it honestly mostly looks and works the same still. It's archaic but it's quite powerful and I've been using it for forever so there's not much reason to swap, although Cell does have my curiosity peaked.
Cell is pretty good, though it's still missing a bunch of big features Vuhdo has, such as hostile frames - essential for DPS'ing while healing. Good to know there's a close contender if Vuhdo support ever stops.
I need to be able to sort the party by role. Tank always on top, me (healer) always on bottom. And vuhdo is just too annoyingly complicated to learn.
I use ElvUI and i basically only use it for the raid frames. I love them. I like to have specific buffs and whatnot in specific places. I like being able to just see, out of the corner of my eye, if a buff is up because its in a specific spot on the frame
Cell is much better than most and decently user friendly, but the addon memory usage is probably the highest I've even seen. Grid2 has extreme customizing and *far* less memory usage. Depending on your setup, this may matter. I've also been using since it was created, so I'm far more used to that addon.
Been a Vuhdo user since i started healing during Legion. But boy oh boy is the interface for it clumsy and buggy and unintuitive and, at least for me, required a lot of trial and error to get stuff working. Just so that it sometimes can bug out so that i have to reload mid fight to even be able to use it. Worst offender in my opinion is the heavy toll it takes on my fps, have like twice as much fps when i go ele and don't load it.
So yeah, this video comes at the perfect time, cause i since long wanted to get another healing addon, but didnt know which.
Cell looks pretty promising to be my new healing addon though, thanks for showing it off :)
I use grid2 but I'd say the most important thing is using what your comfortable with. I do think if I was getting into healing today, I might just stick with the base UI. But I'm so used to Grid2 now that whenever I try to deviate my usual addons, chaos ensues.
A guildie recommended Cell to me last week when I came back to WoW. So so much better than Vuhdo. Paired it with Shadowed Unit Frames and my fps is godly. Too bad about my ms 😂
Thank you Jak. I have used healbot for as many years as it's been around, but only because I had a hard time figuring out the other addons and have always longed for something similar to healbot. Cell looks like it might be one that I can switch to and figure out, yay
So is cell more lightweight than ELvUI and VuhDo frames?
As long as its features are concerned, it has everything the other two have and its much easier to set up.
Although I dont need to set up the other two anymore, since I have explored and tweaked all of their features and have settled down to specific profiles.
So for me it comes down to whether cell has less of a spaggetti code than the other two.
I use Vudoh as a Ret and in Raid, I only show heal and tank and hide dps. Is there a option in Cell?
I was using Vuhdo since forever. Switched to Cell after Growl's video. Never going back
I used default raid frames with bigger buffs / erf all of df, just recently switched to cell after trying grid and elv - but they were just too complicated to set up in my opinion...
cell is easy to set up, but also the out of the box experience is great - will be my go-to for next expac for sure
I will live and die by the standard raid frames. There’s literally nothing I need from vudho or grid that isn’t showed on the standard ui. But maybe it’s also because I’m most comfortable with it having played since vanilla beta
Big fan of healbot because it has a built-in click style function, but it does feel dated. We also keep getting fights with outside targets, and that never works on healbot.
My profile is in the description if you want to give cell a shot!
Great video, I am going to give Cell a try. I have been using the same elvui profile since legion and even though I know it is subpar at this point, it is hard to try something new. Cell looks like I can set up the way I like without all the pain points or crazy high learning curve.
I adore Cell. I changed a few months ago, and I won't use anything else now.
I’ve been using healbot for as long as I remember. Wrath maybe? It’s tough for me to move from because I’ve had my preferred setup established for so long. Out of range opacity is a big thing for me.
Grid2 + Clique =Win!
My man!
Ya ive almost always used VuHdo and elvui i prefer VuHdo for party/raid frames and use elvui for almost everything else. I never liked helkii or grid, i may try to make a fresh alt and try using cell and see if its better though
Have the devs added the ability to have your Cell keybinds work with the default frames? I like Cell a lot, but I use the default health bars for myself and the target, and the last time I tried Cell, my keybinds didn't work with my default frames.