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- A comparison of various mainstream songs and artists that directly influenced Koshiro during the early 90's, of which the links are evident in the Streets of Rage soundtracks. I have also added a pretty obvious comparison for Super Adventure Island.
Artist such as Black Box, Soul 2 Soul, Maxi Priest and others were the main influences for Koshiro during his younger years as a composer.
Let me know your own links you've discovered!
Video by Yuzoboy
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So Yuzo Koshiro must really like Black Box..... Hehehe
He loves our black boxes for sure
Same here 😂
What's awesome is how great these tracks sound on the 1988 Mega Drive's sound hardware!
Absolutely amazing.
Mr. Koshiro loves EURODANCE
Samples! Dance, Techno, Electro, House, Hip Hop, yep the 90's.
My boy yuzo koshiro is like a selecta or a DJ who made the best samples at the time... Gave the perfect vibe for this game, specially talking about the first S.O.R.
I don't gaf how he produced. Just God bless this man for making my childhood!
We we do! Study history asshole
What made the soundtrack of Street of Rage 1 and 2 great was the use of popular music of the time on the Genesis. His music felt like they could be club music which was awesome.
A lot of people seem to be getting upset about the fact that Koshiro got a lot of inspiration from artists and songs that he heard, and that he just recreated these songs, but modified them so as to not sound the exact same. But you have to think about the time period and put it into proper context. The technology for making music in video games was still quite new and primitive in the late 80's and early 90's. Gamers were mostly used to 'beeps and bloops' from their games. But with the Streets of Rage series, we were given music that actually sounded like songs that sounded like they could be played on the radio. And in a way, Koshiro's sampling, to me, is very reminiscent of hip hop with his use of sampling beats and songs. And as far as copying and sampling goes, this isn't new. How many songs were made with the funky drummer beat alone? Or the beat from Ashely's Roachclip? Or the Hallelujah break? Answer: lots!
The late 80s, early 90s mix of new jack swing, hip hop, R&B, house, techno, and rave were all well suited for the Genesis's hardware, wouldn't you agree?
sonikku956 Absolutely, but it also depends on the composer to be able to make good compositions that fit the genesis' sound chip.
Yeah. Even as well as the SNES musical instruments components. For alot of games.
This also set the stage for a wonderful ferment of music that is unthinkable today with our draconian IP laws and banbots. People used to borrow and be inspired from each other all the time and it gave us more and better music.
I'd say part of the issue here is there's a fine line between "inspiration" and "plagiarism".
Koshiro and Robert Prince (who composed the soundtrack for Doom 1) are examples of composers whose works were *inspired* by preexisting songs: they could take other artists' works and modify them enough to create original, perfectly legal songs that are still beloved by many to this day (bonus points for Robert Prince, who was actually a copyright lawyer prior to working on Doom).
Kenji Yamamoto, meanwhile, is an example of an artist who committed plagiarism: he took pieces of other peoples' songs and put them into his own work without doing much to alter them. The most blatant examples of this were "Battle Point Unlimited" literally being just random quotations from the Proaganda album "A Secret Dream", and "Isshin Ittai" straight-up being the war theme from Avatar.
"Good artists borrow. Great artists steal."
its a well known expression, but i think the interview with steve jobs made it much more prevalent.
bro the real trick is to steal from such obvious sources that people think your'e just paying tribute
I always thought the stage 1 music sounded like pump the jam
Same here, been thinking that all my life also it reminds me of a song from spongebob. The Enigma song I also always thought it sounded like the one from SOR2
It was that song, combined with some old-school Frankie knuckles for me.
@@andym2193 i can see that. The SoR soundtracks had a lot of major influences that were easy for me to pick up on, due to my exposure to house music. And the song you're talking about, samples that Frankie Knuckles song I was talking about.
I wanna know how he came up with the elevator stage (SOR1 Stage 7) I was a young kid when I 1st heard it. I remember thinking it was absolutely crazy. I was so happy when I learned there was a BGM mode in the options that let me listen to it to my heart's content.
Same for me it's my preferred song from this game
That elevator song is so iconic
It's probably Rock My Heart, from Haddaway, but others suggests She's Homeless - Gipsy Woman, so idk.
The elevator stage song is really good!!
Great compilation thank you!
Great plagy
Go straight is literally Inner City - Good Life
Yep.😆 Literally Go straight when in the inner city ignore the troubles there
: Yuzo Koshiro's work on the Streets of Rage franchise cemented his status as an legend among video game composers. He created a very specific sound and mood unique to an entire genre of games, only two years after the release of the deeply related Belgian techno anthem "Pump Up The Jam".
good life by inner city is the song that inspired the opening level of SOR2
Wow, I really like the game because of the amazing soundtracks Koshiro did, these influences are really the best!
But the koshiro songs are better
As músicas do Koshiro são muito melhores man
@@hezekiascabral8135 mas o cara basicamente sampleou as paradas
@@LSCloveMJ Nem todas.Tem algumas que são quase iguais,mas tem algumas que nem estão muito parecidas.
@@LSCloveMJ E mesmo se todas fossem muito parecidas,ele evoluiu todas a um nível espetacular.Ele deu um upgrade absurdo em todas.
I would add in Liza Stansfield "All Around The World" for SOR 2 stage 8
This!🎵😌🎵
In my opinion he was influenced in a good on way on this music. He probably wanted to make it sound like popular music to get attention just like the game featured other popular stuff at the time like Skates and Cool cheesy names like Blaze and flashy neon lights. Also he did not copy every song!
Yes he did copy every song
@@QstormtheGod Except he composed it differently. It's all about references.
@@poweroffriendship2.0 It's not just references or homages to the source material. He would almost certainly lose court cases over these songs. I love them, and I think these songs are among the greatest vg music out there to this day, but he completely ripped off those songs. It's beyond blatant. Bass lines, chord progression, instruments, it is SO obvious. I don't know why anyone would contest that. It's not a bad thing, they are faithfully recreated compositions. It does not take away from their impact, or how much you like them to just admit they were directly ripped off.
Too much "inspiration" for me, little disappointed
A listing in the description would be greatly appreciated
Most themes are severely changed, some have little to do. Some have just the same resemblance that the music of different artists of those days already had within each other.
Besides that reinterpreting, if you will, some things with the Sega sound chip the way he could is a master work.
not even saying that "Black Box - Everybody Everybody" is already ripoff of "Grace Jones - Pull Up To The Bumper".
piranias oh man. I do hear the similarities !! But it’s more influenced than a rip off.
I dont understanding why people are uppset with Koshiro, he just did what every Rap DJ did with tunes from the past and making some great beats and melodies out of them. This Is Music people.
4:18 the sound in the background reminds me of the NES Friday the 13th.
What's really amazing is how skillfully and authentically he was able to replicate the sound of all these house songs on the Genesis. Any time I argue with SNES fanboy friends about the console war they always bring up "the genesis has such shitty sound blah blah blah" and I always whip out the SOR games as an example that proves that notion to be bullshit. All the shitty music on the Genny was a result of a lack of effort on the part of the sound designers for those games. You get out what you put in when it comes to the YM2612.
A buddy of mine who makes dope-ass chiptunes described the differences pretty well:
"The Genesis is more of an instrument whereas the SNES was more of a playback device or a sampler."
Good Vibrations - Mark Wahlberg th-cam.com/video/EDQV2iXgZjQ/w-d-xo.html starting at 2:53 you can hear a lot of "fighting in the street".
Nada se cria, tudo se copia!
Love this age of Techno and miss it so much!
House music not techno
It was not Techno, it was House music. How could you not know this?
Man I hadn't heard some of these tracks in like 20 years! Awesome work!
i wish more games drew their soundscape influence from jock jams instead of 70s prog.
The fact that you missed Inner City's (aka Detroit techno godfather Kevin Saunderson's) "Good Life" as an influence on Go Straight is absolutely *wild*. But props for giving a shout to the one and only Wizard, Jeff Mills, who is an absolute legend in the Tokyo club scene.
I think he may have also sampled Sueño Latino for the intro of Dreamer. You can hear it at the 4:40 mark of the Paradise version.
Bobby Brown's 'Every Little Step I Take' was used in which Sega game (per Yuzo Koshiro)?
I would say SoR1 music is greatly influenced by acid house in general. Boss theme resembles Royal House - Can you party
This is a genre of music that likes to use the same sounds and samples and beat progression to allow a coherent DJ set at clubs of that time. If you look at other TH-cam videos on the same subject, they cite different songs as possible SoR inspirations, because there isn't one song to point to
For instance, the baseball tunnel stage with the whistling song, tons and tons of songs used that sample that SoR emulated on the Genesis sound chips. Which song did that track "steal" from, and what's the difference between Streets of Rage, and Public Enemy and Madonna and Wu Tang Clan and Black Eyed Peas and etc etc etc? People heard the SoR soundtrack back then, and noticed that it sounds like late 80s early 90s club music in general terms
On another note, Sephirot Theme Phase 2 from FFXIV only sounds like one popular single, When Worlds Collide by Powerman 5000
Yuzo was before his time. He took bangers and made them certified bangers for video games
i always thought the theme song sounded a lot like Enigma's sadness
Love all the people whining about this in the comments. PEOPLE! Who cares if he was inspired by other musicians, EVERYONE IS! He just copied other songs and slightly changed them? Again, even if he did, who cares, good music is good music. Enjoy it, Yuzo Koshiro made some sick music, copied or not.
Feelin' DanDy Best Comment Ever. You Show Them!
Yeah but they should get paid some of these songs sound way way to similar
No I know why I loved the music in the game 😁
Had childhood flash backs just now! Really miss this game can't wait for streets of rage 4
The Japanese have this special way of taking pre-exisitng sources of reference and refining them to the point that although there's unmistakable influences, they also become their own unique thing, and in many cases improve upon some of their influences, also adding their own sensibilities.. The culture of pefection runs deep in Japanese historical roots
Great, the Streets of Rage OST was based mostly of shitty 90s R&B and pop rap.
I can appreciate how some of these aren't even subtle. I've been obsessed with Sonic CD's influences for some time now, and these are very similar to what I come across. I've found one or two of these by pure accident.
The beach in SOR 2 is C&C music factory just a touch of love 😁
I always thought “make me happy” by Crystal Waters.
Ummm forgot some other important influences. Maxi Priest's 'Close to You' was too influential in tracks like Keep the Groovin' or The Last Soul. Good Times by Inner City was also incredibly influential on Go Straight, too.
whatever..Yuzo made them hundreds time better
you cant be serious
LOL Island Star TV
Umar Butt nobody is attacking him for this, so calm down on the duck ridin.
His earlier music was more rock and metal based, check out anything he did for Falcom.
The track at the beggining of the game is actually "Sadness" by Enigma. Look it up, it's the same song :P
You are right. This is kinda sad...
Its Rusty Ruins act 1 (Saturn version)
Did he copy it?
Sadness sampled the beat from that song.
Yuzo Koshiro heavily inspired by 80's and 90's music: *RIP OFF, COPYCAT, HE DID NOTHING, THIS IS KINDA SAD..."*
Megaman 2 Flashman's theme heavily inspired by Metallica's Seek & Destroy: *...*
Ken's Stage theme heavily inspired by Cheap Trick's Mighty Wings: *...*
Nobuo Uematsu heavily ispired by the 17th century music (Johann Sebastian Bach and others): *...*
Sometimes I think most of these people complaining here are * who found a way to criticize one of the best Sega Genesis games, that one the * never had
Inspired, huh?
@@ROBSILVERGUN i would actually say nobuo uematsu was way more inspired by progressive rock bands like King Crimson and ELP than anything. also, you're kinda close to something more notable on the megaman comparison; wily castle 1 from megaman 2 is basically an iron maiden song, haha
No these are blatant rip offs tho come on seriously inspiration is one thing but this is more of carbon copy put your self in the artist shoes say you composed these works and some guy comes along re-works it and gets praised for your rhythm this goes beyond sampling because most people here a sample and say oh yeah they sampled that some had and idea they sounded similar or just thought it might of been a coincidence but no it’s not the same....and I’m not a Nintendo fan boy even tho wouldn’t mind a switch to accompany my PS4 and Xbox One😁
...u really think some ppl in their 30s are calling this plagiarism today because they hold onto a childhood “alliance” to a corporation? It just is what it is, let it go. Dude was young, ripped off some tracks and didnt get called on it by the mainstream music industry.
@@chickenchad9814 on point
You can say Yuzo koshiro was influenced by these artists.At that particular time, to hear this type of music on a console was extremely rare.He gifted us with some amazing stuff.However I would love to know his infuences for revenge of shinobi.
Dude, same here!
Can you please paste the artists again???
Nice,but without this person, SOR would not be so great how everybody knows!
I Never knew that he sampled Sadeness!!!
how about The Revenge of Shinobi? This music in particular:
th-cam.com/video/8qMQs0MV-_k/w-d-xo.html
And the song from Kraftwerk:
th-cam.com/video/5DBc5NpyEoo/w-d-xo.htmlm18s
where the hell did get the song alien power from?
WTf my childhood was a lie. I thought those songs were completely original :O
Most music you hear in general aren’t as “original” as you think.
Nothing is completely original.
good thing that you used "influences" (that are clearly) and not rip off in the vein og sensacionalism
Let me take popular black dance and r&b music and tweak it a bit. Then I'll be known as a video game music genius...
Fantasy is Earth,Wind and Fire song.
Yeah but I get why they would the Black box version here. It's more upbeat an electronic. I doubt he would have gotten the same influence from the EW&F.
Inlfuence on slow moon? Somebody?
I thought this was about how Yuzo influenced music not the other way around. You should change your title of the video
CyanBlue techno music came out after smart ass those oldy music came out in early 70's and 80's street of rage came out in the 90's duh, cmon sense 🤷🏾♂️
U clearly didnt understand that title at all
Thanks for including Enigma. I was worried that you missed that one, that’s the first band I thought of when I popped in Streets of Rage 2 for the first time with my Sega Genesis LOL
Yes but it was really only the drum beat that Yozo used, he wrote a completely different melody to it, just as good in my opinion!
This part of Yuzo Koshiro's Jungle Base ( th-cam.com/video/klX4e3WoBbk/w-d-xo.html ) sounds a lot like this part of Kraftwerk's I Program my Home Computer ( th-cam.com/video/bu55q_3YtOY/w-d-xo.html )
Was Alien Cave theme taken from anywhere?
This guys music defined my gaming experience back in the 90's. Great work!
On 3:03: especially the use of Black Box's Fantasy is quite pathetic. This is a song that heavily samples Earth, Wind & Fire's song of the same name over a beat of Grace Jones's La Vie on Rose: th-cam.com/video/intcKvTQzlI/w-d-xo.html. Later on, it was discovered that Black Box cheated on their session singers and never paid them properly or credited them for their vocal contributions, releasing artwork of a young black female model instead, who mimed the singers' voices in the music videos.
Yes very sad. They made some great music, but very shady. Poor Martha Wash, who got a record deal out of the ordeal and released a damn good solo debut.
Que buena época nos tocó.
I will not be able to un-hear the whistling kettle as I plunge down from the baseball field to the underground wrestling arena. It's magnificent!
Wow that was more than a little inspiration.
Because I was exposed to house music at such an early age, I was able to pick up on a lot of the influences immediately.
Same here! Favorite genre still to this day.
Wow. He’s got New Jack Swing Swag!
6:37 - Huh, I thought Just a Touch of Love was the inspiration for the beach song
What are you smoking 😢
gonna listen to most of these songs now
"Percussion" from Streets of Rage 3 definitely takes inspiration from the theme to Peter Gunn (heard in the Blues Brothers).
If not, then it's a damn close coincidence!
I don't think Streets of Rage's 3 soundtrackhad that many direct influences though since most of it was procedurally generated using a program that Yuzo Koshiro made himself.
That's a great job you're doing here, man. Thank you.
I always thought that The Last Soul had a bit of Close To You by Maxi Priest to it, in terms of rhythm.
Basically early 90s dance music
I think Big Boss - Streets Of Rage It's more inspired of It's My Life - Doctor Alban. The Beat sounds pretty similar
Merci Beaucoup, c'est très instructif :)
Very cool how he was able to interpret this stuff on the limited sound engine. But at what point does it become plagiarism? Some of the tracks seem more influenced-by and others seem straight-up copied/ported. Like should they have paid royalties to Black Box and Shamen or something? It's a messy question and certainly lawyers getting involved would make it messier.
Royal house - can you party
Boos - Street Of Rage 1
The keyboards in stage 7 sounds similar to the song I'm Too Sexy by Right Said Fred
Yuzo foi responsável por expor toda uma geração que jogava SOR às músicas que tocavam nos mais exclusivos clubes do mundo! No tempo que era muito dificil ter acesso a tais conteúdos, uma vez que a internet ainda engatinhava. Suas músicas têm presença garantida na história dos games. As músicas de jogos se dividem em antes e depois de Yuzo!
I agree with all of them except "black box strike it up" I just don't see the resemblance to the final boss music
Does anyone know what the instrument is called that he's using to carry most of his melodies?
As always, black people create something new and everyone else copies it but is given credit for it as if they created it.
What else is new? 🤨
lol shut up
Blk people didn’t create move any mountains beat 😂
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I ask myself whether Yuzo was never afraid of being sued by those musicians
There was no lawsuit because the examples for some of these songs only had minor similarities, not full bore plagarism. But haters gonna hate, though judging by the views of this video, there aren't that many haters even or people generally don't care.
It was inspiration not theft
uhh 1st is directly taken tho
@@PapunaOfficial ok kinda yea. But still badass none the less. The beat is slightly faster. But dont really give a fuck that shit was nice either way
@@harrytrumart3165 This is definitely closer to plagiarism than just "minor similarities" territory though.
To be fair, Open Your Eyes just sounds like Eric Clapton's Layla.
Wangan midnight would not be the same without this legend of a composer 🤘
🙏 🙏 😊
thank you so much for such a great compilation !!
I mean he took inspiration from other artists... so what? I mean most mainstream artists these days got famous doing the exact same thing and nobody says anything. It's not stealing if you make your own unique spin on it, plus I'm pretty sure most of these artist heard his samples in passing and probably loved it themselves so its not a big deal.
th-cam.com/video/ixBryyQSrD8/w-d-xo.html this beat sort of sounds like sor 2 "Revenge of mister X"
Amiga demoscene soundtracks had much more such influences and additionally had better sound quality (YM2612 OPN2 produced many artifacts in drums sounds unlike pure PCM sound).
Some of Amiga demoscene soundtracks I use in OpenBoR SoR based games.
Amiga sound chip uses 8-bit PCM sound not MIDI, and its sound quality depends on sound samples used in music module file. Amiga demoscene musicians were known to compose soundtracks in higher quality than in video games. I think Amiga music was much more impressive than in Megadrive but still I love some Megadrive soundtracks like Shinobi 3 Return of the Ninja Master, Contra Hard Corps and Mega Turrican (in this game music composer was Chris Huelsbeck one of the best C64/Amiga music composers). Although I admire Yuzo Koshiro work, his soundtracks for Megadrive aren't that good as in NEC PC-8801 personal computers (Sorcerian or Misty Blue for example).
PS: I hacked all Streets of Rage ROM's and disabled music in them. None of these games use PCM (DAC) for drums. Sixth PCM channel is used for SFX. I listened original music in Hoot sound emulator (YM2608 OPNA is extended version of YM2612 OPN2) and it also does not use PSG (SSG in YM2608) for drums. So all Streets of Rage music definitely use FM channels for drums. But to be honest FM drums are sometimes even better than sampled drums but on NEC PC-88/98 it sounds better because they have larger space for creating MML module (Megadrive ROMs had 4MB at most, few of them had 8MB but they are very rare).
Epic soundtrack 92s
Wow black box straight up ripped then off
Black box song isn't the original version you put it the valerio's mix
Finally after 20 years wow he should be Robin Thicked
Remixes and Covers are a thing... Drawing inspiration from other sources is a thing....
To put it this way, I don't like Rihanna ... but the song Umbrella is a nice song... just not by her (in my opinion) so I have a Cover of it on my playlist.
Some people prefer other versions of a song .. like do you prefer Chakakhan's version of Ain't Nobody or Daniel Beddingfields ?
Seriously people need to stop looking at stuff like this as "Rip offs"
@BigBlackBootyDaddy I don't think you understand the nuance of "how it works"
Can someone explain to me the difference between inspired and plagiarism? I'm not trying to start any wars here, I like Koshiro. I'm just confused as to what is actually okay and what actually isn't in the world of music producing. Like whats the difference between what Yuzo Koshiro did as apposed to Kenji Yamamoto? Thank you folks.
If you like the artist, he was inspired. If you dislike 'em, he plagiarized. Simple as that.
That last one is ash catchem before pokemon era..