Moonwalking with Einstein | Joshua Foer | Talks at Google
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- On average, people squander forty days annually compensating for things they've forgotten. Joshua Foer used to be one of those people. But after a year of memory training, he found himself in the finals of the U.S. Memory Championship. Even more important, Foer found a vital truth we too often forget: In every way that matters, we are the sum of our memories.
Moonwalking with Einstein draws on cutting-edge research, a surprising cultural history of memory, and venerable tricks of the mentalist's trade to transform our understanding of human remembering. Under the tutelage of top "mental athletes," he learns ancient techniques once employed by Cicero to memorize his speeches and by Medieval scholars to memorize entire books. Using methods that have been largely forgotten, Foer discovers that we can all dramatically improve our memories.
Joshua Foer was born in Washington, DC in 1982 and lives in New Haven, CT with his wife Dinah. His writing has appeared in National Geographic, Esquire, Slate, Outside, the New York Times, and other publications. He is the co-founder of the Atlas Obscura, an online guide to the world's wonders and curiosities. He is also the co-founder of the architectural design competition, Sukkah City. Moonwalking with Einstein is his first book.
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“It is forgetting, not remembering, that is the essence of what makes us human. To make sense of the world, we must filter it. "To think," Borges writes, "is to forget.”
― Joshua Foer, Moonwalking with Einstein
I appreciate Joshua for being at the lion's den telling the lions that they may be going in the wrong direction and that they need to ask questions about humanism in whatever they do...i think the example with increasing population, junk food and diabetics is a great example...with the technology people are going to be more aware of what are junk foods and whats not....but being just aware of it with immediate information has very little impact on what we do with that....because with much more speed (with the same technology...through corporations and companies) there are much more tempting choices knocking at your door...which one wins the race?...i think all of these technology stuff is making some corporations/individuals richer by luring the people with some immediate pleasure...In daniel kahneman way...faster availability would aid system 1 thinking and lessen system 2 thinking which is responsible for reasoning...you cannot control system 1...!
whaaaa
This is literally one of the first books I've read that I've actually enjoyed...
Thanks Josh.
Good job of Joshua politely fielding those questions and tackling such opposing views.
I felt that the discussion largely missed the fact that this is a philosophical question. Many of the questions (and even Josh's own responses) simply stimulated a chat about the advantages from a practical point of view, whereas I believe that this is a philosophical question as in: is a person's quality of life, their experience of existence - is it better for the absence of this kind of technology? I believe the answer is yes, we are better without.
I read the book and now i can memorize a deck of cards in a half hour and it makes me wonder how much other things I can do and don’t even now it.
I really enjoyed the discussion - the Q&A was quite a challenge for Josh but good discussion. Book is really good, Kahnemann refers to it as well which makes it super credible…
i think Josh gave an inspiring talk but the audience seemed to disagree :/ I used to study really well until my mom got me my 1st smartphone. I agree with him. I think people are just really obsessed with technology today (include me), but we just don’t admit it.
So... You're blaming your mumma for your failings as a student? Bruh 🤦🏽
@@___Anakin.Skywalker No, he’s blaming the addictiveness of technology.
@@kelcionray7192 nah, hes saying his mom started the motion of how he went downhill.
@@___Anakin.SkywalkerI think he actually means that you started the motion of how humanity went downhill
I agree, Trang. The decline is so profound. I'm not sure what is going on with the TH-cam videos aimed at kids but I've noticed it big time. My child's amazing math skills declined in just a few months. He is still great at it but it's like attention span for academic matters is soooo diminished and almost seems like technology works in the opposite way on your brains ability to retain and quickly calculate information. I've made changes to "screen time" rules and hopefully things will go back up.
I think that is the best thing on internet, the discussion was epic!
I completely agree with Joshua Foer. It's just the way he speaks here doesn't make him look like a speaker that knows it all (he keeps giving same examples and stutter)that makes some of the other guys prey at him. But let's all agree that Foer's topic did make a sense. The problem as well with older generation is when you think you are smart enough because of experience...you can already outsmart younger generation and make it look they are talking nonsense but in fact they have the point. I salute Joshua Foer. This talk experience might have pushed him to be a better speaker.
Perhaps. Not everyone is an excellent public speaker. I think it does matter that he is speaking regarding a book he actually wrote, which does communicate expertise and passion but I feel that most people really have to put in big effort in to being a great public speaker and perhaps not all academics/ intellegencia doing research and creating meaningful literature have the time or feel it is worth delegating as a priority to learn "public speaking tricks" or even place importance on it. I think certain material has its worth in the substance and those who want to listen will listen.
Also one must consider how difficult it is these days presenting to a young crowd that rips up substance into semantics and wants to challenge and argue over idiotic details while missing the overall point.
Change the name of this video to:
Joshua Foer debates people at Google
@Ficon0700 I'm SAYIN! Group dynamics were definitely at play here. They really didn't want to entertain the possibility that their technology could be causing deficiencies in information comprehension.
His book was great. I don't read much, I only read it because my girlfriend asked. Absolutely didn't regret it, he's a smart fellow and the book was amazing.
I love discussions like these. Love love love it. Thank you. 🙏 so brave to go and bring this up at google. I’m glad they are thinking about this. After watching Black mirror installing shit in my head is a no go. 😏
Navel gazing at a high level... lots of 'experts'....
What he says is clear enough but some of his audience are trivial.
This reminds me of the "good will hunting" scene when the genius is faced with the fact that he could quote every art book ever written (michaelangelo) but had never seen the sistine chapel. Or if he spoke of war he would quote shakespeare, "once more into the breach dear friends", but has never been near one. It is really sad that people presume to know everything there is about a subject because they read the wikipedia entry on it.
35:20 - Man the Pendulum swung forward for a little, and swung back HARD these last four years
31:19 mans got no chill and just went at it 😂
THAN K YOU... this helped me
"W T F" ............so so happy to read these post, it helps with my journey through this EVER changing world
I would love to have an app that can tell trees apart. If it could have information about particular trees that would be even better. What? It wouldn't make me disinterested or take arboreal knowledge for granted, the more I used it the less I would need to. In fact, in later stages of using it I would only want it to confirm my guesses. It still comes back to knowing something myself without the prosthetic.
Thanks for sharing
amazing book
I couldn't agree more with what Joshua said. Take for example the SAT, ACT, and other standardized tests. All seem to be quite shallow in the way of assessing a student's capabilities. Our youth is full potential to be unearthed. Unfortunately, we are not doing them any good.
42:00 A wise man speaks.
Yes, it’s an old story yet you don’t see us using books as much as we do smart devices.
i know its kind of cheesy to say this, but its true, Josh 's book saved me, sort of
The fear that a false-sense of mastery will come from information accessibility is even less likely with greater accessibility to information. We may perceive ourselves as a society living on informational junk food or a society that is information-rich, but it seems the matter is how we use information. Thus, responsibility falls in the realm of education. Neither technology or information immediacy eliminates philosophy and reflection. We are responsible for our life practices and how we design our days, though our practices and schedules are heavily subsidized or discouraged by culture and society. Culture and society could support retreats wherein we may choose to not consume media, not consume words, not talk, listen, go through a “drop out and reflect on life stage”, transition to a new life stage, claim insight, build an experiential base of knowledge, synthesize information, purify and empty ourselves so we may fill up again.
When you look at human consciousness as we know it today, you see that developments have always come with irretrievable losses. To see ourselves more truly and fully (the whole process of ourselves) it is worth imagining, if not remembering, former stages of development. We can longer live within a time before property or a time before awareness of ourselves, for example. We must carve time out of our schedule to step out of our times. It is important to not forget the layers of reality upon which our life exists. This information qualifies as ESSENTIAL - of very special and primary notation. Physical reality (breath, food, land, physical sensation, etc) is the base upon which attitude, perspective, memory, ego, everything else is built, and there is a proper timing to the presentation and understanding of it all within each individual’s lifespan development.
Google and the whole of society ARE RESPONSIBLE for mediating the information that children have access to, because consciousness must be built in proper stages. We risk losses which we may not currently understand. Google is more than a library; one employee admits that it offers “tools.” We generally childproof our tools, and some tools are not made accessible to children at all.
What does the term "pathologically boring" mean?
Of course I understand the "boring" part, but "pathologically"?
I googled it but can't find a good a good explanation..
Great summary by the Google chair at the end.
I don't think the speed at which we obtain information or how easily we can access it has anything to do with learning and building expertise. I think it's our own problem if we're not using information resources effectively. If anything, it makes us work harder to distill and analyse all the information we have available to us!
I think Joshua Foer is great and I loved his book, it has probably been the most beneficial book I have ever read (technically I listen to it on audio but still) I can remember so much more and I love it. But I feel like he is kind of wrong with his idea that with Google glass we won’t know anything. I agree with him that we will no less but I feel like he is not taking into consideration the fact that people sometimes are just interested in things and they want to learn Things and since they are easier people will do it more. I do agree with him that we will lose some stuff like taking a picture of a tree and knowing what type of tree it is, that is definitely not as fun. But he said only 20% of highschoolers can tell you who fought in World War II, I don’t think that is a matter of Google, I think that is a matter of interests. I guess It will be less impressive to memorize things, but ya
Honestly, after the shenanigans I've seen Google pull in the last few years, not just with privacy but also with US election meddling, I'll pass on having Google planted in my head.
Yes, a problem when Google manipulates search results.... hey I don't want Google planted in my head... sorry
It would suck to be you then when everybody else has very very immediate information in their head
xbluebells
What do you think they'll be able to do then.
It's slightly off topic but I'm maybe wanting to make a ethical and moralistic point of view. Firstly I believe that Technology is dumbing many kids down, how do I know? Because I have 4 and all have grown up in the technological age of the internet, search engines and social media, none of my children show a deep motivated interest in learning at a deeper level because technology is fast, quick and easy, it's too accessible and superficial and it doesn't instill proper drive and motivation in them, in some cases it makes them more lazy and less interactive in the real world, in the 3D world not the 5D world. For example I have so many books but my kids show no interest what so ever in picking up a book and reading or going out and interacting with their friends properly, for example the other day my 18 year old was sat with his friend and instead of them both engaging in conversation they both sat there looking at their phones. Because of the technological advancements being the main focal point of people's life, from my perspective I don't think kids really know how to fully engage with each other at a deeper level, there seems to be an exaggerated level of surface level superficiality, maybe I'm old fashioned but that is how it looks on the surface. Many kids today are less connected with the natural world, less connected to life itself and I don't think being plugged into these headsets, goggles more often is going to be healthy. Most people live their life's online these days and I think in many ways are lacking a richness to life that was previously experienced in earlier generations. Touching a tree and studying a tree up close is a very different experience to looking at a picture of them.
Secondly, putting implants in people is a real cause for concern due to the fact that nobody living today knows who will have full control of companies like google in say 200 years time and what information will be in the public domain and exactly what information will be accessible to the general public. So the question is will people still be able to develop a personal identity, a freedom of thought, their own development of personal memory or will they be plugged into a mass framework that is only controlled by a very small group of people?
Some of the technology is helpful but implanting humans is incredibly dangerous. If we were supposed to have chips in our bodies we'd be born with them!
I think this refects your parenting instead of 'technology making us dumber'
Engaging to the phones and not the people it’s happening now 2019. Kids are always on their tablets and parents on their smartphones. It’s not about google tho. It’s about social media & other things. It’s sad
Can anyone else hear what sounds like a very low bass drum every 3-4 seconds in this video?
Me thinks it's driving me crazy...
It is him moving his hands and hitting the podium
I was driven crazy by all his "a" and "erm" in every two sentences...
It amazes me that you didn't hear someone in the audience yell "blasphemy!"
anyone seen a movie called "IDIOCR
Dominic O 'Bren is the Best.
I think the google crowd is having the right reaction here. I mean this is the standard kind of reaction of people who are afraid to technological advancement."Ahhh technology is going to eat us up we have to slow it down." i feel like its a fear of progress.
It’s been proven that people who have lost their memory is because they don’t use it as much.
Who is getting annoyed whenever he puts his hand back on desk🔥🔥🙅♂️🙅♂️
i wonder if he could remember every single face of the audience.
I'm not surprised by some of the comments from the google guys. Since science is "king", they relate to an external memory for life's knowledge to be used when something needs to be looked up. I can see they would probably be a proponent of a spectrum of life's data and the brain can scan everything and the user can pick certain data and decide to learn more of just that one instance. Its like a fine tuning of implementing the idea of "why" on things the user finds interesting but at the same time dehumanizing ourselves from the rest of the world. Is that bad? We will find out
13:45 is that the message? Google is making us dumb and lazy? 21:36 Q&A's 25:41 31:24 freefom of opinion not freedom of truth 33:50 agructure methaphor
THIS BOOK NAME WAS MOONWALKING WITH SKYWALKER
Our father who art in heaven. Hollowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come.
Thy will be down.
On earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
Forgive us our trespasses.
As we forgive those who trespasse against us.
Lead us not into temptation.
But deliver us from evil.
For thine is the kingdon,power,glory forever.
Amen
25:50
Tthe younger google people were more willing to discuss and engage in a conversation, but that geezer with the beard was trolling hard. He had incorrect analogies that was going nowhere. very disrespectful.
Just think how TV dumbed down the people. Sure, there exists informative channels, but there are millions of stupid ones too. the goggles would be the equivalent of a million channels and google would have a powerful position to guide how people seek info.
Foer has a valid point.
Which old bearded guy are we talking about exactly? The one who finished talking ~33:46, seemed pretty appreciative and confirmatory of Foer's ideas.
Google is not a trusted source. It's a source of popular knowledge. I use Wikipedia, not as a Prime source, but to signpost me toward more reliable sources, when I get to that source, however respected that source may be, I will still question it's basis in fact. The key factor in my absorbing is my interest/investment. Allways try too go to first sources, or to the Top source in the field. I'm an amateur student of neurology, toxicity, and the relationship to dementia. I will never write a paper for peer review, and any conclusions to my thought experiments will be unlikely to be shared within the field, as "the Experts" have earned their title by memory And metriculation.
Please stop punching the podium lol
Many of these debates of sorts could be answered quantitatively instead of arguing... are people sacrificing depth of knowledge and context... because of the readiness of facts... but this debate of power and responsibility... should Google becoming our God and arbiter of right and wrong... wow people better but some high octane thinking here!
xbluebells i
24:20 there may have been television but in my country there was 4 channels on the television when I was growing up and less than 3 hours for children's television programmes, therefore we went out to play and socialise more with our peers, we were much more creative and imaginative and our memories were tailored to our own personal and interactive experiences. A trip to the library was savoured and more of an experience as it was a more special occasion, it wasn't taken for granted.
We're not saying that search engines where we have access to information isn't a good thing, it's great that we have access to information but we do need to look at how far we take technology. There needs to be balance between a 3d and a 5d world. We don't want technological advancement to go too far that we lose touch with reality and lose our human identity and connection to the natural world and life!
We see 10 year Olds with i phones and that's weird enough... wait until you see 10 year olds with Google glasses!
Nope
Vision pro on their head
Not google glass
I dare anyone to show me a kid who can name "50 to 100 species" of dinosaurs.
I dare you!
"50 to 100 species" of dinosaurs. BTW i'm a kid
I'm 23 yrs old and I just found out that dinosaur's were real today, and now you're telling me there different species?
The bearded guy is a pain in the ass, the kind of auditor you would never want to have in a public talk :)
Thank God, Google Glass failed miserably.
I'm 20 minutes in, all he's talked about is Google remembering stuff for us. Does he actually talk about his book or anything related to it?
Mark the guy buy the recording most likely playing a video game lol
With regard to google goggles, a more intimate connection will be made between information published on the internet and the physical world with people walking around in it. Will the google goggles only reveal written content or will it include photos and video? Will google goggles only reveal self-published content or will it function to spread porn (which the participants in may have not given permission to have recorded and distributed)? Will these (most likely) women be further victimized through the google goggles as a result of their former victimization? Perhaps before making such technology available to the general public, google should discuss prevention of sexual objectification and victimization through the new technology and work with the justice system to update the laws. Victims don't want money; they want their privacy and respect. The response time needs to be shorter.
shame on you Google, if you don't understand....... you just need a modulator
alternate title: techno optimists berate poor journalist concerned about the consequences of technology
correct way to describe it
I think the audience is in a bubble. 31:15 Unfortunately, the majority of people don't develop the ability to think critically. They don't have the capability to know that the correct answer is on page 27. They didn't develop their knowledge to reach this conclusion.
And beyond that, 25:40 learning only what interests you is also a bad thing: that's exactly what makes you live in a bubble. You learn what you like and ignore the rest or you learn so superficially that you don't embeded it into your way of thinking, on your way to see the world around you. You're ignoring so many important things in the world, just because you don't like it. Knowing what you don't like is important. That's why we think the Earth is flat nowadays.
so the book is about remembering everything yet he has notes that he is reading. very poor.
he's quite nervous to talk in front of really great people if you didn't notice..
Admittedly I'm only half-way through the talk but Joshua appears to be getting quite embarrassingly schooled by his audience. He doesn't seem to understand the technology that Google is developing or what it really means to "call up information instantly". While the smartphone and other wearables exist, the latency and the external presence of the information are just a surrogate memory and inferior to the real thing, but as the technology continues to get smaller, you'll get to the point where it's actually IN the brain. At that point it can interact with the brain's circuitry and all the world's information can not only be instantly called at any time, but it becomes a meaningful statement to say that it's part of your memory. At that point, memorising something will literally be no different to posting a piece of information onto the internet, which, given that level of sophistication, you could do via thought.
in Germany there is a guy that can memorize a deck of car in 29.5 sec
nothin especial here...
I'm sure his memory is much much better than his presentation skills... please stop hitting the podium and try not to "erm" that often in your speech. Thank you for your sharing though.
wastes 20m talking about nothing that concerns him. just teach us memory tricks